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Anonymous No.24667644 >>24667652 >>24667659 >>24667667 >>24669190 >>24669205 >>24669297 >>24669971 >>24670234 >>24670675 >>24674007
>One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.
Anonymous No.24667652
>>24667644 (OP)
La deuxième sexe? Don’t mind if I do!
The Second Sex? Baby, I can last longer than that…
Anonymous No.24667659 >>24670433 >>24672085 >>24672127 >>24674010
>>24667644 (OP)
Oh sweetheart, OH YEAH, oh, i completely agree
Anonymous No.24667667 >>24670357
>>24667644 (OP)
Anonymous No.24667724
As it were
Anonymous No.24667754 >>24667886
>one is not born an adult, at first they are a baby

smartest female philosopher
Anonymous No.24667886
>>24667754
*hits vape*
damn queen
Anonymous No.24669190
>>24667644 (OP)
Anons are women. They are the second sex.
Anonymous No.24669205 >>24669222
>>24667644 (OP)
If she was still alive she would have regretted those words.
Anonymous No.24669222 >>24670121
>>24669205
Why?
Anonymous No.24669297 >>24669337
>>24667644 (OP)
>be me
>*reading The Second Sex for the 5th time, as one does*
>the words "One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman" are literally vibrating on the page
>*vision goes blurry*
>*I look away from the book and towards my second monitor*
>four different 4chan tabs open
>a profound and horrifying realization washes over me
Anonymous No.24669337 >>24669808 >>24669985 >>24670045 >>24672147
>>24669297
Anons, listen to me very carefully. You are women.
No, I am not talking about biological reality or whatever other low-IQ framework you use to navigate the world. I am talking about the fundamental dialectic of being. Beauvoir posits that Man is the Self, the Subject, the Absolute. He is the default, the one who acts, creates, and imposes his will upon the world. He achieves Transcendence.
Woman, she argues, is the Other. She is the inessential, the object. She is defined only in relation to the Subject. She does not act, she reacts. She is doomed to Immanence—the repetitive, passive state of existence.
Now think about anons.
Anonymous No.24669808 >>24669985
>>24669337
The "real world" of normies, authors, artists, politicians, Chads—they are the Subject. They write the novels we critique. They produce the movies we screencap. They make the political decisions we impotently rage about. They are the essential actors in the grand narrative.
And what are we? We are the Other. Our entire existence is reactive. We do not create; we comment. We do not build; we deconstruct. We are defined purely by our relationship to the content created by the Subject. An anon's identity is a void, a negation, existing only as a response to an external stimulus.
Our anonymity is the ultimate proof. We are not essential individuals. We are an undifferentiated mass of Otherness, completely interchangeable. We are trapped in the ultimate state of Immanence, endlessly refreshing the catalog, trapped in the cyclical and domestic task of posting the same Pepe images in the same threads, day after day. We are the housewives of the digital world.
Simone de Beauvoir would log on to this website and weep, for she would see her thesis proven more profoundly than she ever could have imagined. We have not been made into the Second Sex by society; we have voluntarily chosen this mode of being. We have embraced our own inessentiality.
Anonymous No.24669884
never thought about it that way
Anonymous No.24669971 >>24670134
>>24667644 (OP)
De Beauvoir + Sartre are possibly the worst thing that ever happened to the modern world
>one champions leftism
>the other champions feminism and sexual liberation
Anonymous No.24669985 >>24670000
>>24669337
>>24669808
>being a man is corporate america, the two party system, hollywood, and today‘s items on instagram and tiktok

Maybe Beauvoir was full of shit you ever think of that?
Anonymous No.24670000 >>24670097
>>24669985
>No, I am not talking about biological reality or whatever other low-IQ framework you use to navigate the world. I am talking about the fundamental dialectic of being. Beauvoir posits that Man is the Self, the Subject, the Absolute. He is the default, the one who acts, creates, and imposes his will upon the world. He achieves Transcendence.
Maybe you aren't even a woman.
Anonymous No.24670045 >>24670051
>>24669337
>Anons, listen to me very carefully. You are women.
Then where are all the people that want to fuck me and take care of me?
Anonymous No.24670051 >>24670072
>>24670045
>And what are we? We are the Other. Our entire existence is reactive. We do not create; we comment. We do not build; we deconstruct. We are defined purely by our relationship to the content created by the Subject. An anon's identity is a void, a negation, existing only as a response to an external stimulus.
>Our anonymity is the ultimate proof. We are not essential individuals. We are an undifferentiated mass of Otherness, completely interchangeable. We are trapped in the ultimate state of Immanence, endlessly refreshing the catalog, trapped in the cyclical and domestic task of posting the same Pepe images in the same threads, day after day. We are the housewives of the digital world.
Because you are a woman. If you were not a woman, there would be people.
Anonymous No.24670072 >>24670157 >>24670390
>>24670051
So women are women without all the advantages and men are men without all the disadvantages? That's awfully convenient.
Anonymous No.24670093
what is a woman?
Anonymous No.24670097 >>24670147
>>24670000
>No I don‘t mean what words mean I mean what some lady said they mean
Ok faggot show me your tits if you‘re a woman
Anonymous No.24670121 >>24670151
>>24669222
NTA but why do you think?
Anonymous No.24670129 >>24672153
are there any female philosophers that actually write about...philosophy? instead of just ranting about what women should be entitled to in society
Anonymous No.24670134
>>24669971
Don't forget
>both groomed their students and opposed to the age of consent
Anonymous No.24670147
>>24670097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T25LfHJT_y0
Anonymous No.24670151 >>24670377
>>24670121
Trannies?
Anonymous No.24670157 >>24670160
>>24670072
Dude, are you honestly that fucking stupid? This is a book that goes pre-feminism. Why are you guys so fucking retarded?
Anonymous No.24670160 >>24670174 >>24670390
>>24670157
Stupid because I reject your silly reasoning?
If we accept your logic that being passive makes you a woman, then most men throughout history were actually women. There were no male slaves ever. No man has ever not mattered because they were women by proxy.

Ridiculous.
Anonymous No.24670174 >>24670187
>>24670160
In a free society? Yes, being a slave is emasculating. I would go even as far as saying it is dehumanizing. And slaves are usually treated as a commodity.
Anonymous No.24670187 >>24670195
>>24670174
An emasculated man is still a man.
Anonymous No.24670195 >>24670196
>>24670187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY
Anonymous No.24670196 >>24670202
>>24670195
Right back at you.
Anonymous No.24670202 >>24670207
>>24670196
That is not my opinion, dude. We are in the Simone de Beauvoir thread in case you haven't noticed. Not in Anonymous Anon's Opinions thread.
Anonymous No.24670207 >>24670210
>>24670202
So you don't agree with her?
Anonymous No.24670210 >>24670211 >>24670214
>>24670207
Does my opinion fucking matter? Why? I don't care about any of this, I'm just sharing her thoughts. I'm not a feminist, nor a woman. I'm just being honest.
Anonymous No.24670211 >>24670215
>>24670210
Well you said it's not your opinion so I just wanted to clarify what your position even is.
Anonymous No.24670214 >>24670218
>>24670210
You said you were a woman
Anonymous No.24670215 >>24670223
>>24670211
Why does my position even matter? I honestly never thought or spend any time by myself to think about the matter of what is means to be a woman. I don't think I really care about it enough to think about it myself.
Anonymous No.24670218 >>24670225
>>24670214
I said that anons are women. I'm on the driver seat of my life.
Anonymous No.24670223 >>24670232
>>24670215
Why are you in a thread discussing things you don't care about or even think about?
Anonymous No.24670225
>>24670218
You are Anon
Anonymous No.24670232 >>24670236
>>24670223
I don't care about it enough to think about it myself, but I did read about it. So it is not like I completely ignore the question, I do read things about it. This is different. See? But I won't write essays or spend my free time thinking about it, I just check things out and follow other people's thoughts on that matter. And that is mostly because I'm not a woman, so it is not like I think that I can possibly think anything that I would think interesting about being a woman exactly because I'm not a woman.
Anonymous No.24670234
>>24667644 (OP)
Wrong.
Anonymous No.24670236 >>24670246
>>24670232
You read things but never think about them or care enough to form your own opinion?
>or spend my free time thinking about it
Are you being paid to be here in this thread?
Anonymous No.24670246 >>24670247 >>24670252
>>24670236
>You read things but never think about them or care enough to form your own opinion?
I could come up with a critique of it, but why would I bother? What is the practical use of having an opinion when I can read her thoughts on a subject and craft lenses that I can use anytime I want to see things that she never saw before but through her eyes? Isn't this cool? I love this kind of shit.
>Are you being paid to be here in this thread?
I'm too sick to do anything else. So I'm here instead of playing games or reading books.
Anonymous No.24670247 >>24670424
>>24670246
huh
Anonymous No.24670249
IWNBAW :(
Anonymous No.24670252 >>24670257
>>24670246
>What is the practical use of having an opinion
What is the practical use of reading things you never form opinions for?
>I'm too sick to do anything else.
So since you spend your free time in this thread, does that mean you are not thinking about any of your posts? Cause you said otherwise before.
Anonymous No.24670257 >>24670260
>>24670252
>what is the practical use of understanding how other people think
Game theory. You can understand how people will do things and act accordingly for the better.
When I said thinking I meant by myself. I'm not counting talking to other people.
Anonymous No.24670260 >>24670263
>>24670257
So you just want to understand how people look at the world without ever considering whether they are factually correct or not. Is that it?
Anonymous No.24670263 >>24670264
>>24670260
Yes, is there any other good reason to bother reading a book on humanities if you don't want a degree in some bs?
Anonymous No.24670264 >>24670266
>>24670263
Then why did you make affirmative claims throughout this thread and why did you get emotional about people disagreeing with this woman's opinions?
Anonymous No.24670266 >>24670269
>>24670264
I'm having fun, anon. Can't you tell that while I do have the impression that she would think that of a lot of anons in here, I'm just messing up with you guys? Are you autistic or something?
Anonymous No.24670269 >>24670281
>>24670266
So you were....le trolling?
Anonymous No.24670276
what the fuck is going on in this thread, seriously
Anonymous No.24670281 >>24670283
>>24670269
No, not really, can't you read? I'm having fun. I did post a funny thing about her thought that relates to 4chan and dudes were all being anti-fun in the most stupid fashion. As in being anachronistic, completely dismissing the point that she goes on the book over dictionary or common sense definitions of things when the whole fucking book is about defining something.
I'm in pain, anon. OK? I'm just trying to have some fun with people that have read the same fucking book that I did. Is that some kind of crime?
Anonymous No.24670283 >>24670290
>>24670281
How is it "not really" when you're describing trolling? You're posting things you don't mean to get a reaction out of people because you find it fun. That's trolling.
Anonymous No.24670290 >>24670296
>>24670283
It is not trolling. How does that doesn't relate to her book? It is a fun and unusual statement and it goes as far as including 4chan. I'm the soul of this thread if anything, I made this thread alive, it was dead before me. If anything, dudes who are trolling are people who obviously haven't read the book (maybe haven't read any philosophy at all) and are talking all sorts of things that aren't really pertinent to this thread.
Anonymous No.24670296 >>24670305
>>24670290
It is trolling because you've already admitted you don't actually agree with what you're posting and are only doing it to pass the time by getting reactions out of people.
You aren't simply posting some quotes to get a discussion going, you are actively arguing in bad faith.
Anonymous No.24670305 >>24670309
>>24670296
I don't agree with what I'm saying, but I agree that it is somewhat accurate and aligned with something that she would say and think. How is that trolling? If anything, I'm one of the most valuable posters in this thread.
And how my posts don't address things in her book? Being a woman for her is about being the Other.
Anonymous No.24670308
Wow thanks, anon. You made me realize that I'm the MVP of this thread. This gave me a nice idea.
Anonymous No.24670309 >>24670311
>>24670305
I already explained how it's trolling. You have already admitted you are only posting to get reactions out of people. You literally said that you care so little about this woman's books that you don't even spend the time to think about whether or not you agree with her.
Anonymous No.24670311 >>24670312
>>24670309
Why does it matter what me, Anonymous Anon, think of Simone de Beauvoir in a Simone de Beauvoir thread? Enlighten me.
Anonymous No.24670312 >>24670318
>>24670311
Why does it matter what anyone ITT thinks about her?
Anonymous No.24670316
I wonder what people outside are doing right now.
Anonymous No.24670318 >>24670322
>>24670312
It doesn't necessarily matter, but it can be interesting what they have to say about it. And I just said that I haven't thought about any impressions, because I didn't bother thinking about any. I've just read her book and learned her thought.
Anonymous No.24670322 >>24670329
>>24670318
Why can it be interesting?
Anonymous No.24670329 >>24670333
>>24670322
Because they are someone else that ain't me. And I can think anything that I can possibly think, so if I'm interested in my own opinion on any subject or matter I wouldn't really bother being here and reading things here. I would just sip tea and sit on my chair while entertaining my own thoughts, which I do frequently but only with subjects that I'm actually interested.
Anonymous No.24670333 >>24670338
>>24670329
If you don't care enough to even form your own opinion, why would you care about other people's opinions?
Anonymous No.24670338 >>24670342
>>24670333
How can I possibly care or not about someone's else opinion if I haven't known them? And I already said why I don't really think that my opinion is interesting in this specific subject: I'm not a woman. But anons are women, so their opinion is somewhat interesting.
Anonymous No.24670342 >>24670352
>>24670338
You didn't just say your opinion is not interesting, you said you didn't care enough to even form it.
Anonymous No.24670352 >>24670355 >>24670400
>>24670342
What makes the opinion of what some dude what he thinks about what being a woman means interesting? It is like women talking about what it means to be a man, would you bother really listening to it and taking it seriously? Even if you think that everything is a social construct, people still have their social constructed starting points of being man or woman.
Anonymous No.24670355 >>24670366 >>24670400
>>24670352
Again, you said you don't even care about the subject material enough to form it.
Anonymous No.24670357 >>24672174
>>24667667
idciywiw
Anonymous No.24670361
Flash of understanding muddled by too much emotion, as is typical for the weaker sex.
Of course women are to be most properly socialized by other women. That is why all sane societies have enforced separation of men and women in public spaces.
What she misunderstands is that this is inevitable. It is the definitive basic fact of the human condition.
Anonymous No.24670366 >>24670376 >>24670381 >>24670400
>>24670355
You don't understand the argument. It's not about whether I agree or disagree. My post isn't a statement of my own personal belief; it's a commentary on the original text. I am an observer, a deconstructor, using a philosophical framework to analyze the world around me. My function is reactive, not active. My post is nothing more than a link between an idea and a new context, and my identity is a void that only exists in relation to this link.
In your mind, my identity—my "self"—is a Subject. You believe I must be an active, essential individual who holds and imposes beliefs on the world. You think I am wrong because my words don't align with an external, fixed identity. You are trying to define me by the same low-IQ framework you claim to navigate the world by. You are imposing your own subjective expectations on my existence.
And in doing so, you have proven that you are the woman. You exist only in relation to my post, a reactive force that exists solely to argue against my position. You are nothing more than a comment on a comment. You are the Second Sex of the digital world, doomed to Immanence, while I am the ghost in the machine, acting without consequence. My existence is as a pure idea, a specter of the real world—the Transcendence you crave.

You are the one who has not been born but has become a woman. You're living proof of the thesis.
Anonymous No.24670376 >>24670385 >>24670400
>>24670366
I fail to see the logic there. I am the one that has actual opinions and takes a stance here, whereas you keep describing yourself as an observer without actual opinions.
Anonymous No.24670377
>>24670151
Indeed
Anonymous No.24670381
>>24670366
I bet if I had read this post it would consist of anon trying to call someone a woman because they didn‘t accept Beauvoir‘s headcanon classifications
Anonymous No.24670385 >>24670390 >>24670400
>>24670376
You call that an opinion? Darling, opinions are for people who get out of bed in the morning and have something to say.
All you've done is react to my post. You're the one trapped in the endless, passive cycle of commenting, while I've transcended to a higher plane of detachment.
You're not a man, anon. You're a housewife of the digital world, endlessly tidying up the threads with your predictable responses. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go philosophize in the garden while you're left here to do the dishes.

You. Are. A. Woman.

Q.E.D.
Anonymous No.24670390 >>24670397
>>24670385
No, I've already made my opinions pretty clear here >>24670072 and >>24670160 whereas you shied away when asked for your personal stance on it. I am an active participating here, you are in your own words an observer.
According to Beauvoir's logic, you're the woman here.
Anonymous No.24670397
>>24670390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96h1dYQrj0
BASED, I also can't get the logic of it, it is so simple. Don't bother reading her books.
Anonymous No.24670400 >>24670407
>>24670352
>>24670355
>>24670366
>>24670376
>>24670385
Amazing thread. For the record I am completely on Beauvoir-anon's side. He is not trolling and is just taking the side of the philosopher in question as a thought experiment. All the zoomers just got intelligencemogged
Anonymous No.24670407
>>24670400
Thank you. I had an amazing time and decent laughs.
Anonymous No.24670424
>>24670247
Listen to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdz5kCaCRFM&pp=ygUTaG9vayBibHVlcyB0cmF2ZWxlcg%3D%3D
Anonymous No.24670433
>>24667659
Image made me realize im such a fraud.
Anonymous No.24670675 >>24670757 >>24672178
>>24667644 (OP)
>>One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.
Born with a sex, enculturated into a gender. So, true statement.
Anonymous No.24670757
>>24670675
SHIT, it is you. I should've known.
Anonymous No.24672085
>>24667659
I understand it now.
Anonymous No.24672127 >>24672715
>>24667659
As a child I thought buttocks were called buttlocks because they lock the butt closed
Anonymous No.24672147
>>24669337
>Beauvoir posits that Man is the Self, the Subject, the Absolute. He is the default, the one who acts, creates, and imposes his will upon the world. He achieves Transcendence.
>Woman, she argues, is the Other. She is the inessential, the object. She is defined only in relation to the Subject. She does not act, she reacts. She is doomed to Immanence—the repetitive, passive state of existence.
that's pretty hot ngl
Anonymous No.24672153
>>24670129
anne conway
Anonymous No.24672174
>>24670357
idkwtfyta
Anonymous No.24672178
>>24670675
>oh noes i've been enculturated
Anonymous No.24672715
>>24672127
british hands typed this post
Anonymous No.24674007
>>24667644 (OP)
Was she serious? Every girl becomes a woman, but not every boy becomes a man. She had it backwards.
Anonymous No.24674010
>>24667659
What a great ass, how did such an ugly fuck as Sartre deserve her