Thread 24667895

Has anyone here ever read this?
What’s it like?

>>24667895 (OP)
those people are very odd
I went to intro dianetics meeting once
they hooked me up to some "meter"
and asked questions
>yikes
not to mention Tom Cruise making an ass of himself top kek

>>24667895 (OP)
Read about half of it. Felt like a tool song, all build up but no release. Didn’t hate it, should read the other half sometime.

>>24667895 (OP)
I read it in grade school. I thought I'd discovered the holy grail in the school library. I had an open mind but I wasn't ready to fully understand it.

>>24668080
What’s a tool song?

>>24668045
The interesting thing about it to me is how bound up it is in the entertainment industry. I've met one Scientologist who was heavily involved in theatre. People tend to talk about L. Ron Hubbard trying to recruit celebrities to build prestige for the religion, but few people talk about what draws entertainers to Scientology in the first place.

One theory is that a big thing in Scientology is overcoming fear and self-doubt. This makes sense because entertainers have to perform for others and that can be terrifying, they can get stage fright. Hubbard also had this whole theology of art with artists/entertainers as being part of a cosmic struggle. It does seem to work for them, like you see Tom Cruise performing these crazy, life-threatening stunts. It's a high-performance entertainer religion (example):
https://youtu.be/9L_ZdETLgzQ

Then the other question is whether people traumas might be drawn to becoming actors or musicians in the first place as well. I think one needs a natural talent for the craft but it's escapism and emotional expression, a strong desire for the approval of the crowd which they may have lacked in childhood. There are a lot of theories about this but I don't know if it's just pop-psychology or not. Then you add the high level of stress and fear involved in trying to reach this catharsis, Scientology then enters the picture as an emotional regulator, and aligns with their motivations.

>>24668544
I forgot Blixer was one of them. used to jam In Casino Out and Relationship Of Command back in high school. not a huge fan of scientology though, I have my philosophical system written down elsewhere.

>>24668555
a lot of artists grew up with tortured pasts. checks out.

>>24668608
They're surrounded by a lot of predatory people and bad influences too. Scientology is very anti-drug. They self-medicate with it but it screws them up.

Self-medicate with drugs that is but it wrecks their careers.

>>24668139
its when you use your tools to make a little song on the spot, like a little drum session

All your problems, fears, anxieties, even illnesses, etc. stem from unresolved trauma (engrams). With the help of another person (auditor) you recall the memory and work through it to clear the trauma and thus the issue it's causing. That's literally it, that's the whole method.

>>24668540
Now that I read about her more, Armstrong (the Linkin Park singer) grew up in a Sea Org family. They have the wildest sci-fi posters.

>>24667895 (OP)
Are the rumors true that it's basically a hypnosis manual in all but name?

>>24668740
No.
Hypnosis is significantly more legit than anything in the book.

From what I remember a lot of it was based on some of the methods used by a substance abuse clinic that turned into a abusive cult. Sinanon.

"If you want to die a rich man, invent a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard

>>24668139
hammer and drills

>>24667895 (OP)

I love how scientology (and to some extent Mormonism) discredit all religions. And reveal their messiahs are charismatic frauds

Hubbard was a Crowleyan Thelemite.

>>24668759
Sinanon is a crazy rabbit hole

>very first role in Hollywood was playing an acolyte in a satanic cult
>is introduced to Dianetics on set
Poetry

I went to the one in a city near me a few months back before a concert, just strolled in for a laugh with my friend. I bought the Dianetics book, chatted to an immaculately dressed woman from Europe, I think she was Spanish, and they've tried calling me every weekend ever since, and often from different numbers. Don't make my imstake and go in to do the free personality test, because it's like 200 multiple choice questions. I haven't read the dianetics book but to be fair, it is a nicely made tome.

I kind of envy Hubbard in a way. To make a formalised cult you know is bullshit but have impressionable people (and young hot women) hanging on your every word must be kino. Like that NIXYM guy. The barely suppressed charlatan in me thinks that must be so fun.

I wish I still had my scientology books. I had Dianetics and one other one. I threw them both out one time I was moving apartments and needed to slim down on how much stuff I owned. (I also threw out or gave away a bunch of CDs, a table and the charger for a camcorder I was never able to get working again because the charger was very specific.) I just think they're neat. I'd buy them again if I saw them in a used bookstore.

>>24667895 (OP)
I have but about 7 years ago so I can't remember it too well. It feels like the same type of thing crunchies like to talk about today, Hubbard distrusted mental health experts the same way that RFK Jr. distrusts any medical experts. To be fair, mental health was at a horrible place in that time.
A really large amount of the book has to do with women going through domestic violence and that domestic violence carrying on through the future child's life, like as though the child was able to understand and feel what was going on. There's a lot about how you basically keep reincarnating and your past lives carry on emotions or whatever, when doing dianetics (I tried a session once) they really try to get you to see yourself from a third person perspective in times when you were unconscious or unborn, I even knew a lot of the concepts like "bouncebacks" well and the old man giving me the session was impressed at my understanding of the whole spiel. It might be scammy but I do think it can help some people or at least make them feel better.

>>24667898
psychiatry is le bad

>>24670162
huh?

>>24668045
You got the meter? When I went they were to stingy to keep them on so I did the session without it.
>>24668540
>The interesting thing about it to me is how bound up it is in the entertainment industry. I've met one Scientologist who was heavily involved in theatre.
Many people don't know how well Scientologists are with learning and self-improving. A lot of their "missions" (churches) look really small but have a massive complex inside, including multiple classrooms. I really liked their method of teaching and thought that actual education can learn so much from their tutorship, they also have many books about work ethic etc and it's really not surprising how well they work from what I read. This is why Scientology is more like self-help gurus but on steroids, it's any self-help book but a lot more involved.
>>24668636
Engrams that's what they called them I kept thinking Thetan but that's the soul in their words.

>>24670198
'mirin' my shelf?

topical

>>24670201
doesn't seem clear to tripfag

>>24667895 (OP)
it will help make your mind feel more better

>>24670545
I don't give a d*mn

Did they ever make a movie of this?

>>24670920
There have been a few attempts none that are particularly watcheable unless you like that sort of thing.

>>24670201
>A lot of their "missions" (churches) look really small but have a massive complex inside, including multiple classrooms ... This is why Scientology is more like self-help gurus but on steroids, it's any self-help book but a lot more involved.
I went on a tour of one once, but didn't do a reading with the machine, and there was a sanctuary on the ground floor that was very public facing, but towards the end they took us into the second floor where there were rooms and bookshelves of those bright, candy-colored books. That Hubbard started this in the 1950s when there was a lot of fascination with psychotherapy. It was portrayed in art and media a lot. Forbidden Planet is all about "monsters from the id."

>>24669265
>I love how scientology (and to some extent Mormonism) discredit all religions. And reveal their messiahs are charismatic frauds
I try to look at it like a sociologist or something. Religion is ultimately nonsense but the social organization it attaches to is not. It can be a way to network, pull strings, find a tribe or community, access a free gym, or provide some moral framework for raising a family. The self-help aspect of Scientology is also not that unique compared to many televangelist-businessmen today, so it doesn't seem more nonsensical to practice Scientology or to construct a religion around The Matrix movies than it is to listen to Joel Osteen.

The strange masquerade around tradcaths and Eastern Orthodox converts is really not about the theology (or at least that doesn't interest me as much) but also something that reflects broader social forces. It can be a substitute for political mobilization or organization (as that's generally repressed and unavailable). The Mormons or snake-handling Protestant sects seem crazy but you don't get the Second Great Awakening in America without a bunch of rootless people living in a really harsh environment with little social organization but also rapid economic transformation going on. People try to cope with it and are like aaaargh, and before you know it, they're gathering from miles around to listen to a preacher and dancing hysterically.

>>24668583
>one needs a natural talent for the craft
As with anything else, people have predispositions due to their genes, and their environment, including their choices, can foster them, but there's nothing to suggest that one NEEDS a predisposition to do anything, aside from a very few things requiring abnormal sensory motor abilities, such as very short reaction times for high level motorsport drivers or a great olfactory memory and discrimination ability for sommeliers and perfumers.
>theories about people with traumatic childhoods becoming artists
It's pop psychology, people with traumatic childhoods more often than not end up being worse off and less successful than people with great, supportive childhoods, and I'm not aware of any correlation that's been found between people who have become successful in show business and childhood traumas.
t. doctor in psychology

>>24671206
Fascinating.

>>24668540
It's an insider's club for non-Jews. That's why some actors join it, so that other high profile scientologists help them out with their careers, like Jews do for other Jews.

Tom Cruise literally believes he cannot die, so he does crazy stunts fully believing there is no danger involved.

This is like the cliff notes for scientology the real work is many more volumes.

>>24672399
Any recommendations where to start for further study or do you have to go to a meeting lol.

Make no mistake this is no home study inner path shit you got to get in a program to win.

>>24672740
If scientology was about winning Charlie sheen would be in the sea org.

So it's like, The Talmud, The Koran, The King James, The Upanishads and Dianetics.

>>24668540
Because Ron was a sci-fi writer. His heart was in the entertainment industry. So he naturally tried to cater to them; they were his friends and peers.
>>24668740
Clearing is the exact opposite of hypnosis. Clearing wakes one up.
>>24668907
False attribution. Heinlein said that.
>>24669698
So? He was a seeker. He didn't stay a Crowleyan Thelemite.

>>24673484
"Ron"

Having a private cult superyacht elite that never docks from international waters isn't sketchy at all.

>>24673484
>He didn't stay a Crowleyan Thelemite.
tbf the core of Scientology tech is good ol' OTO, just with all the superstition and woo removed. It works well, but auditing with an e-meter works as well as journaling in your Magickal Diary or any other cathartic rite

>>24673804
indeed

>>24673804
If you had read Dianetics, you'd know that many engrams disguise themselves, and even deny that they exist. Implants are pretty much defined as being hidden from your consciousness. Your "journal" idea is ineffective in locating any of them. You need an e-meter to do the job.

>>24674163
lol
lmfao even

I can't believe that after all these years we find out it's about thetans in a volcano, when the volcano was right there on the cover of the book the whole time.

If your parents are scientologists are you born one?

>>24674163
you make it sound like you're possessed that's not how the brain works, like at all.

>>24674927
Sapolsky is a troon.

This book changed my life.

I found it very silly.

Hrrm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePT7m1sYuMo

>>24675922
>"The sexual pervert is actually quite ill physically." -Hubbard, "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"

>>24675922
>>24676072
Based

>>24674809
Good question.

>>24674809
No of course not. It's not a religion.

>>24675362
Leverage!

>>24672075
scientology is literally full of jews if not majority jewish

I read his science fiction book (the one that got made into a movie) in middle school, before I knew who he was. It was pretty mediocre, but the plot of mailing nukes to the aliens has been copied a lot in science fiction.