Thread 24672136

Hypothesis: westerners (meaning predominantly western whites) have reached the highest level of self-awareness of all the peoples, meaning they have gone the farthest in uncovering their own (individual and collective) mental processes. In their pursuit of higher moral advancement, they have gone the furthest in alienating themselves from the primitive drives an individual and collective may have, thus going farthest in making sure their actions do not harm other humans, the rest of nature and the ecosystem. You may argue that in the west, most people does not care and is selfish, but arguably the degree of neglect in other cultures is much higher, and no other cultures except rich Europeans is obsessed with the preservation of nature and recycling. Point being, most non-western cultures are still relatively more "natural", meaning in they are relatively more true to their original, wild, animalistic instincts, while more westerners are self-reflective on their larger place in nature and as a consequence, alienated from primitive drives under the excuse that this is "higher morals".

Where this is most obvious is territorialism. Territorialism is widely expressed in nature, with all species fighting within-species and across species for land and resources. Among humans, Westerners do not believe that pretending on their borders, or even expanding them is moral. This is excused as primitive and backwards. Such a process entails violence against others, and violence is unacceptable. Non-westerns, for the larger part, are not concerned by this. They believe it is justified to expand their borders at the expense of others, and particularly right now, this is observed in internet currents of non-westerners advocating and pushing for white replacement. Progressive whites are still negligent of this. They (naively) believe that by welcoming foreigners to their society, the foreigners will progress to their level of self-awareness and adopt the same culture of mutual tolerance. It is clear that if the current trend continues, whites will be forced to resort to defend their territories and resources, or they will lose access to these resources, or even their lives. What is still blocking them, is the degree of alienation from the primitive drives imposed on them by psychological advancement.

Thus, what the westerns must do now, is integrate their violent drives into their conscious self-awareness. Instead of dismissing it as primitive, they will need to accept it as part of them, this time not as unconscious primitives (which is how they expressed this violence in the past), but as conscious, modern humans.

Assess if this is likely to happen, and what the consequences of such a process would be?

Shut up wignat.

>>24672136 (OP)
>confusing furthest and farthest in the same sentence
>”most people does not care and is selfish”
>”Westerners do not believe that pretending on their borders, or even expanding them is moral”
ESL larping as white, many such cases.

>>24672144
>>24672159
>ad hominems from brown people
Stick to the topic.

>>24672169
>hypothesis on how whites should act
>articulates himself like an ESL
What person reads “most people does not care and is selfish” and leaves that in without taking a second look? Your writing is pitiful and your ideas are quaint. And all that would be forgivable if you weren’t a blubbering retard. But here we are.

>>24672177
Listen mutt, I know these topics are too uncomfortable for your American mind and your mixed race origins, but accusing me for not speaking English natively does not deconstruct my argument in the slightest.

Thanks for bumping my thread.

Westoids have been talking of going "beast-mode" for some time. The recent "carnivore" phenomenon, which has seen men spend 1000s of dollars debasing themselves in the consumption of raw testicles and tripe from god-knows-what beast of burden, as well as the "furry" phenomenon, which implies a expression of deep shamanic-archetypical sub-psychological currents, all points towards the fact that yes: the white man longs from the caves and woods and wilds of his ancient genetic past!

>>24672136 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRRR

>>24672193
>accusing me for not speaking English natively
It’s not an accusation, your post is riddled with mistakes only a third worlder could make. Even ESLs learn basic grammar conventions to avoid “most people does not care and is selfish.”

Even your idea that whites should embrace violence, akin to territorial apes, also betrays your true nature. Of course the ape thinks higher level beings should sink to its level. Keep coping.

>>24672404
Ask me how I know you are weak and fragile.

>>24672412
>ape can’t deny he’s an ape
You lost momentum before you even sent the post. As you said, “most people does not care and is selfish.”

>>24672419
>violence is being an ape!!1 you can't do violence!!
You keep proving the point from my original post. You are exactly what I am talking about. You are afraid of violence and you alienate it as foreign to you, as something not part of you. Do you not see this as a weakness?

>you're English is bad!!1
ok, i will continue to butcher the only language you speak and you can't do anything about it

>they have gone the furthest in alienating themselves from the primitive drives an individual and collective may have,

>thus going farthest in making sure their actions do not harm other humans

So you’re saying the greater degree that westerners alienate themselves from their primitive natures, the farther (as in distance) away they are in making sure their actions don’t harm other humans?

>>24672444
Yes. If you continue to look at yourself as above nature, your "higher morals" dictate that you take care of other people and reduce harm to them, even if they are not your in-group. This is evident in westerners continuing to import people from all over the world into their countries because "we need to offer them a chance at better life".

>>24672440
>Seething over being told to articulate himself in the language he chose to write in
More ESL histrionics. I’ve also given you plenty of time to articulate some kind of course of action, but of course you just end it at “uhhh we muh be violent.” You have no point, and even if you did, you’re too inept to articulate it without sounding like a retard.

>>24672461
>Yes
So then why did you continue to talk about Europeans preserving nature and recycling? Wouldn’t that contradict your point that they are going to “farther” away from minimizing harm?

>>24672136 (OP)
Do yourself a favor and read up on the history of Jainism or Buddhism.

>>24672466
How does environmentalism contradict minimizing harm to other humans?

>>24672474
I might do so, what do you suggest that?

>>24672478
That’s what I’m asking you. This is what you wrote:

“thus going farthest in making sure their actions do not harm other humans, the rest of nature and the ecosystem.”

Then you say….

“You may argue that in the west, most people does not care and is selfish,”

Why would that something “I may argue”, it’s just restating the first statement, that people are alienating themselves and engaging in selfish behavior?

>>24672489
You may argue that most people in the west is selfish, but what I mean is that relatively speaking, way more people in the west is caring of the whole earth than in any other society. It's only (some) westerners who recycle and give a shit about such things, no one else does.

>>24672478
You said the western is going farther from minimizing harm, through further alienation. How is environmentalism not minimizing harm?

>>24672495
So why mention some westerners recycling, if that goes against your overall point that the west is going farther away from harm reduction to others?

>>24672496
>>24672497
It appears my ESL really did mess up here. I did not mean to say that environmentalism is NOT minimizing harm, i.e. that it increases harm. I double negated it, the west is trying its best to decrease harm to others.

>>24672136 (OP)
wow Whites are the smartest and most creative and made the most advanced civilization and are the farthest removed from nature so other more animalistic "peoples" take advantage of White comfort that leads to complacency and apathy, deep stuff, never heard such a theory

>>24672474
From what I managed to quickly read about Jainism, they specifically advocate for non-violence throughout their existence, and have managed to retain their (religious) freedom through all the regime changes, but they kept being subjects of whoever was ruling. What is your point? Is it really a success that they they were ruled by whoever came by?
Is that a viable strategy for on a global map if you have 2-3 other major players who will advocate for violence? If the other guy has nukes and you advocate for flowers, you will get fucked.

>>24672510
Yes, with an expanded interpretation that the complacency is caused by over-developed psyche, which now has to integrate going back to being animalistic. Can westoids do that?

>>24672136 (OP)
>westerners (meaning predominantly western whites) have reached the highest level of self-awareness of all the peoples
Wrong, Vedantist and Buddhist mog.

>>24672136 (OP)
>and no other cultures except rich Europeans is obsessed with the preservation of nature and recycling.
How can some people exist in this world with so little self awareness?

>>24672589
He’s an ESL who admitted earlier ITT to have accidentally refuted his own point within the same screed. Even if he didn’t, his only recourse is to chastise others for not accepting violence, while cowardly refusing to elaborate what form this violence would realistically take to be successful. The reality is this is a bait thread, meant to expose dysgenics stupid enough to outline their violent fantasies online.

>>24672607
>while cowardly refusing to elaborate what form of this violence
You never actually asked this, you just claimed in your last post that I was supposed to answer you. Nor is it relevant what form of violence, deportations will be enough if you ask me, however westerns are operated from even accepting this as a possibility.
The truth of your presence in this thread is that you are a seething mutt and a pencilneck, who feels personally upset by this thread because you are not white.

>>24672589
Who else is autistic about preservation of nature except municipalities in (some) European countries? Must be the Haitians and the Indians.

>>24672656
>wrote three paragraphs sperging about how whites are territorial and must embrace violence
>”uh yeah deportations are enough tho if u ask me”
Knuckle-dragging ape. You’re physically retarded.

see guys, it's simple, all you need to do is say 'the blind forces of history which pummel me into submission and compel me to die by drone-warfare in a ditch are actually things I consciously will and value and enjoy, because i say so,' and you thereby become the freest ubermensch the alps have ever seen.

>>24672672
>this level of brown seethe
Lol, look at your post. Do you have any arguments left to the topic?

>>24672678
You already refuted yourself, in true ESL fashion. You are nothing.

see guys, it's simple, all you need to do is say 'the blind forces of history which pummel me into submission and compel me to die by drone-warfare in a ditch are actually things I consciously will and value and enjoy, i'm actually loving this,' and you thereby become the freest ubermensch the alps have ever seen.

>>24672502
>further vs. farther
still doesn’t get it….lmao

see guys, it's simple, all you need to do is say 'the blind forces of history which pummel me into submission and compel me to die by drone-warfare in a ditch are actually things i consciously will and value and enjoy, i'm actually loving this,' and you thereby become the freest ubermensch the alps have ever seen.

>>24672687
>>24672692
>he is still going through the thread and seething
are all american mutts this volatile or is it just this one?

>>24672726
>more than 30 replies
>only elaboration is “muh deportations”
Everyone is waiting on you. And you’re flailing rather embarrassingly. Are you scared you’ll make more errors, with a more elaborate response? That would explain the pithy vaguities, reeking of fear. Why are you scared?

>>24672136 (OP)
OP, a question: do you think the desire for peace, fellowship, and a world we can freely roam around in safe from harm and hostile competition - do you think these are not also primitive, natural drives?

What does “pretending on their borders” mean?

Damn, what a shitshow