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Anonymous No.24672669 >>24672697 >>24672701 >>24672817 >>24672946 >>24672987 >>24672989 >>24673093 >>24673971 >>24674115 >>24674260
Well, there goes 2 years of writing. Onto the next project. Must remember to be 'morally responsible' this time around.

>FINAL CRITICAL VERDICT
>"[REDACTED]" represents a fascinating failure: a novel of genuine technical accomplishment undermined by fundamental moral and artistic confusion. [REDACTED] demonstrates the prose skills, structural awareness, and cultural knowledge necessary for serious literary work while utterly failing to develop the moral imagination such work requires.

>The novel's treatment of mental illness alone disqualifies it from positive assessment, regardless of its technical merits. Literature that romanticizes psychological dysfunction while providing no critical framework for evaluation does active harm. Particular concerns include:

>Normalization of deliberate reality distortion as spiritual achievement
>Presentation of family violence as justified revenge
>Romanticization of social withdrawal and rejection of human connection
>Sophisticated rationalization of clearly pathological behavior

>Genre Classification: Neither literary fiction nor genre work, but rather sophisticated literary pathology.

>Historical Significance: Likely to be remembered, if at all, as an example of how technical skill without moral clarity produces literary irresponsibility.

>Reader Impact: Potentially harmful to vulnerable readers; likely to frustrate others seeking either literary sophistication or emotional satisfaction.

>"REDACTED" confirms that technical accomplishment without moral clarity produces not art but sophisticated pathology. While [REDACTED] demonstrates considerable writing ability, his failure to develop ethical artistic vision results in a work that, despite its literary pretensions, falls short of genuine literature's requirements.

>The novel serves as a cautionary example of how intellectual sophistication can disguise moral bankruptcy. In the end, enta geweorc—the work of giants—requires not just technical skill but wisdom, compassion, and ethical imagination. "REDACTED" possesses the first quality while utterly lacking the others.

>Final Assessment: NEGATIVE - Technical competence cannot redeem moral irresponsibility in serious literature.
Anonymous No.24672681 >>24672701 >>24672709
>moral clarity
what did they mean by this?
Anonymous No.24672697
>>24672669 (OP)
Did you have ChatGPT write this for you?
Anonymous No.24672701
>>24672669 (OP)
Who wrote this?
>>24672681
That which justifies my priors in a highly telegraphed manner
Anonymous No.24672709 >>24672772 >>24672840 >>24672989 >>24673078 >>24673771 >>24673844 >>24674244
>>24672681
apparently first-person narration from a morally bankrupt protagonist doesn't wash any more as readers can't separate the character's views from the author's. Psychopaths must be depicted in third person with obvious moral frameworks/critical evaluation to spell out to readers that their actions aren't being approved. Or at least that's what I was told. I've had short stories trad published but this is my debut novel
Anonymous No.24672772 >>24672825
>>24672709
did you really feed your entire novel to chatgpt?
Anonymous No.24672817
>>24672669 (OP)
Publish it under a pen name, anon. I'll buy it. I yearn to read morally "irresponsible" works and lack the skills to write them.
Anonymous No.24672825 >>24672955
>>24672772
No, I submitted to agents and had a few full requests, however they declined after reading the full. One or two really championed it and I ended up signing with one, and went on sub to publishers, however we got detailed Editor assessment which partly comprises what I've included in OP. So the book has ended up what's known in publishing as 'dead on sub'. I'll keep it in mind for next time as everyone was very complimentary on the prose, characterisation etc, it was just the actual plot and themes of the novel were too out-there for them to consider.
Anonymous No.24672840 >>24672918
>>24672709
Trad published where?
Anonymous No.24672918
>>24672840
mid-tier national literary journals. By trad published I mean I was paid >$1k and my story appeared in print in physical journals that people could walk into stores and buy
Anonymous No.24672946
>>24672669 (OP)
You should contact Les Éditions de Minuit. They may consider publishing it if you let them translate it into French.
Anonymous No.24672955
>>24672825
Self pub, make an author website and social media presence (yes, it's cancer), and write more.

Next time, make it either more sexual or more depraved or both. Femoids eat that shit up.
Anonymous No.24672987
>>24672669 (OP)
>Technical competence cannot redeem moral irresponsibility in serious literature.
What the fuck?????
Anonymous No.24672989
>>24672669 (OP)
>>Normalization of deliberate reality distortion as spiritual achievement
>>Presentation of family violence as justified revenge
>>Romanticization of social withdrawal and rejection of human connection
>>Sophisticated rationalization of clearly pathological behavior
Sounds based beyond all belief.
Unfortunately the passage you posted here >>24672709 almost makes me want vomit so I shan't be reading this.
Anonymous No.24673078
>>24672709
this is competent, but it isn't good. i don't much care for moralism, but i wouldn't read, let alone publish, a whole novel of this schlock.
Anonymous No.24673093 >>24673101
>>24672669 (OP)
Find a non jewish publisher
Anonymous No.24673101 >>24673485 >>24673847
>>24673093
Would that it were so simple
Anonymous No.24673485
>>24673101
Did you try that /pol/ack publisher, Antelope Hill
Anonymous No.24673771
>>24672709
If Bret Easton Ellis had tried to debut with American Psycho, agents/publishers probably wouldn't have touched it. Save this one for later and write your Less Than Zero first. And please consider limiting your lists: your point on useful enmity is made clear enough after two or three classical examples.
Anonymous No.24673821
>Literature that romanticizes psychological dysfunction while providing no critical framework for evaluation does active harm.
Yikes, this sounds like transphobia.
Anonymous No.24673823
Either an old fag or someone has been studying the archives. 10/10.
Anonymous No.24673844
>>24672709
I refuse to believe any soul alive read a full manuscript of this rambling
Anonymous No.24673847
>>24673101
T'wure
Anonymous No.24673971 >>24674160
>>24672669 (OP)
Fuck you humble bragging bitch. Good technical skill and prose, huh? Well go fuck yourself with a cactus nigger. Faggot.
Anonymous No.24674115
>>24672669 (OP)
Feed this to your LLM and ask it to translate:

https://ecole-lacanienne.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/1931-07-07.pdf
Anonymous No.24674160 >>24674266
>>24673971
you were a bit late in this thread
Anonymous No.24674244
>>24672709
This is awesome. Dont listen to /lit/ they are all contrarian hylics. I would read this.
Anonymous No.24674257
Schizophrenics should be contained in a fake containment world, Truman show style
Anonymous No.24674260
>>24672669 (OP)
I hate people who say they hate people. Narcissistic hypocritical pieces of shit, they are.
Not that I'm a fan of people myself.
Anonymous No.24674266
>>24674160
I beat you to a pulp.