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Anonymous No.24676176 >>24676250 >>24676319 >>24676687 >>24676699 >>24676712 >>24676891 >>24676955 >>24677298 >>24677310
AI beat Robin Hobb in a blind contest.

Let me repeat that.

Artificial intelligence beat Robin fucking Hobb in a blind contest.

Is it actually over?
Anonymous No.24676182 >>24676629
maybe Robin fucking Hobb should try writing better characters and not emo slop
Anonymous No.24676194 >>24677505
Here are the stories for the contest. If you have such good taste, can you tell which are AI and which are human? Can you tell which are slop and which are good?

https://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2025/08/so-is-ai-writing-any-good-part-2.html?m=1
Anonymous No.24676250 >>24676629
>>24676176 (OP)
3, 6, and 7 I had guessed were AI based on em dashes alone (I was wrong on 6), 2 was obviously written by a fart fetishist.

Tips for writers--use gamer words and you'll never be mistaken for AI.
Anonymous No.24676264 >>24676274
Cool. Who the fuck is Robin Hobb?
Anonymous No.24676274 >>24676288 >>24676908 >>24676987
>>24676264
One of the most acclaimed fantasy writers of the last 50 years.
Anonymous No.24676288
>>24676274
>last 50 years
Irrelevant at best.
Anonymous No.24676319 >>24676627
>>24676176 (OP)
Hobb gets off on writing male characters being beaten, cucked, and shamed.
Anonymous No.24676627
>>24676319
So? That should have been an advantage here, if anything. LLMs are muzzled.
Anonymous No.24676629
>>24676182
>Robin fucking Hobb
Literally who?
>>24676250
Good
I hate niggers and kikes
Anonymous No.24676632 >>24676640
I don't read anything published after the mid-20th century, so this has zero effect on my life.
Anonymous No.24676640 >>24676881
>>24676632
You don't need to start a new thread for this
Anonymous No.24676687 >>24676694 >>24677279
>>24676176 (OP)
One more piece of proof that people whining about AI only hate it because they're told to hate it, and actually like AI generated work if they're not informed that it's AI
Anonymous No.24676690
I posted my short story somewhere and got a couple comments saying it was AI. Such bullshit, makes me want to just quit
Anonymous No.24676694
>>24676687
Correct. People are just scared of their replacement species.
Anonymous No.24676699 >>24676702
>>24676176 (OP)
>AI beats generic female fantasy author
Reading "Assassin's Apprentice" right now, it's a Netflix movie, 6.5/10 book equivalent.
Anonymous No.24676702 >>24676894
>>24676699
Come on, anon. You know this is cope. How much longer until LLMs are better than every human author who ever lived?
Anonymous No.24676704 >>24677622
It is a blessing. Now that our digital puppets can successfully replicate “tumblr-speak”, “reddit-speak”, “HR-breakup-type-prose”, “fan-fiction”, and “Guardian short story competition winning entry” type-speak — living writers will now be propelled (forced) towards increasingly inventive usages of language and other literary devices. The wheel of prose will turn. It will enter a post-AI age, where originality will be necessitated, and language will be defined by its overwhelming humanity!!
Anonymous No.24676712
>>24676176 (OP)
>"readers"
Anonymous No.24676738
>NOOOO I'LL HAVE TO BE CREATIVE FOR ONCE AND STOP RIDING ON THE FANTASY DROUGHT COATTAILS
I voted for all humans, even the ones I knew were obviously AI
Anonymous No.24676740
>Robin Hobb
>Rub a knob
Based on a true story.
Anonymous No.24676881
>>24676640
I actually didn't, there's a copycat anon!
Anonymous No.24676891
>>24676176 (OP)
>Robin Hobb
Landfill fantasy
Anonymous No.24676894 >>24676896 >>24676953
>>24676702
LLMs will always struggle with writing anything truly unique or innovative. That's just how they're designed. They're already better than most authors, if used as a tool, fed a detailed outline and other key supporting documents, and heavily line-edited. But they can't effectively write something off the wall like Palahinuk or Vonnegut.

It will likely result in a similar response, long term, as the art world had to photography.
Anonymous No.24676896
>>24676894
>LLMs will always struggle with writing anything truly unique or innovative
so will humans. Nothing new under the sun
Anonymous No.24676908 >>24676911
>>24676274
>fantasy
Not a writer.
Anonymous No.24676911 >>24676927
>>24676908
Cope. It can do "literary" fiction just as well, but no one has bothered to test that because no one cares about litfic.
Anonymous No.24676927 >>24676941 >>24676949 >>24676953
>>24676911
Ok, prove it.
Anonymous No.24676941
>>24676927
Picrel is AI
Anonymous No.24676949 >>24676953
>>24676927
Use GPT-5 yourself, dummy.
Anonymous No.24676953 >>24676966 >>24676966
>>24676949
>>24676927
It cant do shit. Gpt 5 is horrific.

>>24676894
This guy gets it. It can iterate in the style shared with it and improve upon it, but it cant create, and when it does create, it is always mid.
Anonymous No.24676955
>>24676176 (OP)
>Robin Hobb
nigga who?
Anonymous No.24676966 >>24676967 >>24676984 >>24677575
>>24676953
>>24676953
>it can't do shit

On a windy morning, Lin found a violin on his doorstep. The case was black, zipper broken, blue twine tied hard around the handle. He carried it inside to his bench and opened it.

The varnish was amber. A long split ran from the treble f-hole toward the soundpost. Bad news. A soundpost crack. The bridge leaned; the strings were tired; dust lay in a pale drift inside. The instrument smelled of resin and old sweat.

Pinned to the lining was a square of paper.

For Lin: Rowan’s. Please help if you can. His daughter wants it to sing at the memorial. –T.

Anyone around Lydiard Street knew Rowan: the baker’s-door busker with old tunes and a gentle hat for coins. He’d died last week. Facebook had filled with shock and casseroles.

Lin heated the kettle and set a jar of hide glue in a water bath. He called the number.

“Tess,” the voice said. “His sister.”

“It’s a soundpost crack,” Lin said. “I’ll have to take the top off. It’s delicate. The memorial—when?”

“Sunday,” she said. “If it’s ready, it’s ready. If not, we don’t make it worse by forcing it.”

“And the daughter?”

“Caro. Eleven. It was her idea to leave it with you. She says wood listens.”

“Sometimes,” Lin said, and meant it more than he intended.

He took off strings and bridge, warmed a palette knife over steam, and worked it into the seam. Hide glue smells like a shed on a cold morning. The top lifted slowly. Inside: a low ridge for the bass bar, tool marks from some factory, an old corner repair.

At the crack’s center the wood was crushed into a shallow dish. It needed a soundpost patch: carve a hollow, inlay new spruce, fit it thin and tight. He traced the dark rosin stains and saw, faint in graphite, four notes with a tie over the first two. Next to them: C for Caro.

He put the plate down and rested his hand on the spruce. He would leave the pencil there.

He shaped the patch all afternoon, shaving and offering until the grain lined up. He glued it, clamped it with shaped cauls, and let it take. While the glue set, he cleaned the fingerboard, polished the pegs, and carved a new bridge to a height an eleven-year-old could manage. He cut the heart and tapped for the ring he wanted.

Near dusk, Tess and Caro came. Caro hovered in the doorway in a jumper with one sleeve pushed up and the other down.

“You took it apart,” she said, stepping in.

“I needed to see the hurt,” he said.
Anonymous No.24676967 >>24676970
>>24676966
She stood on toes to peer into the open body. Inside is mostly braces and dust, and yet people always look.

“There were four notes written in pencil,” Lin said after a moment. “With your initial. I’ll seal them under shellac so they stay.”

Caro’s face flickered through a set of thoughts and settled. “He wrote on everything,” she said. “Receipts. A parking fine once. He said memory needed somewhere to wait.”

He glued the top back on that night. In the morning he set the post, tuned slowly, listened. A new E sang thin and hopeful. He drew the bow across the D. The voice came rough, then cleared. He played the four penciled notes. They landed under his hand like something familiar.

The memorial gathered by Lake Wendouree where the reeds hold the shore. Thermoses, folding chairs, a table with clipped photos. A speaker insisting it was paired to the wrong phone. People spoke in low voices that didn’t quite fit the open air.

Caro carried the case by the blue twine. She set the violin under her jaw. Her breath trembled once, then evened.

“You don’t have to be what they want,” Lin said quietly. “Just be as honest as you can stand.”

She nodded and began. The first note wobbled. The second stood up. The next two stepped forward. She found the penciled four and laid them plainly, the way you put important things on a table. It didn’t sound like Rowan. It sounded like a kid who had listened closely and would keep listening. The patch held. The bridge did its work. The soundpost stood where it should and passed the weight on.

No one clapped. People who are swallowing tears don’t. Tess touched her niece’s cheek. Someone gave Lin tea in a paper cup. A man asked him about an old guitar. A child asked if violins were hollow because music needed somewhere to stand. Lin said yes.

When the crowd thinned, Caro came back and held out the violin for him to look at, not to take.

“Do you think he wrote more in there?” she asked.

“I think he wrote what he needed when he needed it,” Lin said. “You will too. Maybe not on wood.”

“Mum says I should go back to lessons,” she said. “Scales until my fingers feel like they’re wearing gloves.”
Anonymous No.24676970 >>24676981 >>24677324
>>24676967
“Scales teach the map,” he said. “But no one lives on a map. If you get lost, play something you remember from the kitchen.”

She looked at the lake. A white feather was caught in the reeds. “When you glued it,” she said, “did the violin know?”

He could have explained capillaries and glue. He said, “It knew how it should vibrate. It was waiting for someone to give it that shape again.”

She stored that away and went to find her aunt.

Back in the workshop, the room held the day’s smell. Lin put his tools in their places. In the drawer with the spare bridges sat his mother’s metronome. A distant train passed. The floor ticked. The metronome clicked once—its little ghost of time.

He stood with his hands on the bench and thought of the pencil marks under the plate: four quiet notes, sealed in, waiting. The instrument was gone, but a thin thread of its voice seemed to hang in the air, not a tune so much as proof that air can remember. He switched off the light. Outside, leaves rubbed together. The room kept a small noise of its own and then went still.
Anonymous No.24676981
>>24676970
this shit is like broth with far too little water. its gormless rigaramole. its like a bookclub fucked a coffee shop. its like SSRIs were born in seattle. its completely hollow. words are containers.
Anonymous No.24676984
>>24676966
Yes, it does well in the <1500 words space. Nothing exciting - it won't play with language or use novel framework - but very workable.

Try to expand it to 10k words, much less 100k, and you see the cracks. Or have it write a dozen different 1500 word pieces, and you'll see the similarities in what the model outputs.

It's impressive what it can do. But it can't write a coherent, full length story without heavy editing and a ton of time spent on structuring the story first.
Anonymous No.24676987
>>24676274
>Societal prejudice against the ability causes Fitz to experience persecution and shame, and he leads a closeted life as a Wit user, which scholars see as an allegory for queerness. Hobb also explores queer themes through the Fool, the gender-fluid court jester, and his dynamic with Fitz.

I mean it's a woman so I should have known it would be bad.
Anonymous No.24677279
>>24676687
But what is the point of reading AI generated regurgitated slop based on the blended ideas and works of actual people? It’s almost like when you know something is literally soulless it feels like a poor use of your time
Anonymous No.24677298
>>24676176 (OP)
Let's see it beat Gene Wolfe.
Anonymous No.24677302
>Soulless slop from authors are indistinguishable from soulless slop from AI
Never heard of Robin Hobb before. Who the fuck is Robin Hob? I never want to even find out what the hell a person called Rober Hob is writing. Why did you think this was appropriate, I don’t care about Rober Cob? What the fuck is a Robert Cobb? BOB COBB? BOB COBB! BOB COBB COBB COBBBB
Anonymous No.24677310 >>24677493
>>24676176 (OP)
this says more about readers than it does about ai
Anonymous No.24677324
>>24676970
Was I supossed to be impressed? Technically proficient, but diagnostic and impassioned. Reading this was like watching a caterpillar inch along the dashboard of your car; neat, but ultimately aimless. The entire time I was reading it I kept wondering "what's the point". This is the expected quality of a below average MFA, one with technique and rigor but a misaligned goal. It would only impress the dreariest of judges. If I wrote that? No one would care. If a disabled black jewish woman wrote it about her experiences as a child? Probably award winning, but still not impressive.
Anonymous No.24677493 >>24677596
>>24677310
This. Im sure the average normie couldn't make out AI writing. We can also assume the people they tested it on usually read booktok type shit as most readers sadly do. If it's about copying that style than im sure the AI could do it better than Hobb.
Anonymous No.24677505
>>24676194
when in doubt, always accuse AI. It's better to shoot ten innocent guys than let one robot walk
Anonymous No.24677575
>>24676966
it's actually worse than I would have expected
one can imagine the red pen markings almost immediately
>found a violin...and opened it
would be derided for its lack of clarity. there's no reason not to say 'The case [that housed it] was black...' instead, since as-is we are pointlessly made to infer that the violin was in the case from the fact that he carried 'it' inside and that the next paragraph describes the state of the instrument itself
>Lin heated the kettle and set a jar of hide glue in a water bath
again we have a senseless lack of clarity: he took the violin case to a bench and opened it, but when did he get up to put 'the' kettle on and prep a water bath for the hide glue? where is he now, and where are these items?
>He called the number.
where did he get 'the' number? if it was on the square of paper pinned to the lining, why was this not indicated?
etc., etc.
that being said, a decently-capable writer can quickly identify and correct these flaws
it's a force multiplier for slop production
Anonymous No.24677596
>>24677493
Honestly if we’re going off the average reader’s take I’m sure AI would win out over Poe, Lovecraft, Maupassant, Chekhov and others just based on the fact it’s writing in easily understandable, simple, modern prose regardless of content
Anonymous No.24677622
>>24676704
>hopecore posting
>in 2000+20+5
ngmi
Anonymous No.24677680
the average reader in 2025 likes shit like brandon sanderson and generic romantasy slop, of course they're going to prefer the ai short stories
Anonymous No.24677709
If a story has logical progression with fluid prose and a clear main point organically derived from the events of the story, it must be AI. Humans only wrote meaningless lolrandom edgy trash these days