Thread 24676186

Is Jung worth reading for someone studying psychology? I've been recommended 'Man and His Symbols'

>>24676186 (OP)
Yes, He is super worthy, Take a look at this video after reading the whole book, it is very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohk5TvaW6vs

>>24676193
Nta but I started reading The Portable Jung and I'm gonna read Man and His Symbols next
Some anon posted this a couple days ago, I'm kinda following this chart

I started reading him to try and understand synchronicities. Sometimes I have to use ChatGPT to help me understand what he is talking about

Synchronistic phenomena prove the simultaneous occurrence of meaningful equivalences in heterogeneous, causally unrelated processes; in other words, they prove that a content perceived by an observer can, at the same time, be represented by an outside event, without any causal connection. From this it follows either that the psyche cannot be localized in space, or that space is relative to the psyche. The same applies to the temporal determination of the psyche and the psychic relativity of time. I do not need to emphasize that the verification of these findings must have far-reaching consequences.

In other words, sometimes your mind and the outside world sync up in a way that’s meaningful but not caused by one another. That hints that consciousness isn’t completely trapped in your body, and that our ideas of space and time might be shaped by the psyche itself. If we prove this, it changes everything we think we know.

Pretty wild stuff if my consciousness is effecting my reality, I wonder if I can control it so that it gets me like a million dollars

>>24676239
>In other words, sometimes your mind and the outside world sync up in a way that’s meaningful but not caused by one another. That hints that consciousness isn’t completely trapped in your body, and that our ideas of space and time might be shaped by the psyche itself. If we prove this, it changes everything we think we know.

That's might be true, Our perception of reality is not caused by our physical body

>>24676218
>no Synchronicity
absolute dog shit

>>24676186 (OP)
honestly i think hes a wishy washy retard and will make you into a cringe schizo if you take him seriously, and then you'll cringe at your actions

>>24676239
read this: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1399493
>Pretty wild stuff if my consciousness is effecting my reality, I wonder if I can control it so that it gets me like a million dollars
Nope, this is a trivial and materialist desire that doesn't understand that this all stems from the higher order and flow of the cosmos.

>>24676387
cringer zoomer materialist nigger

kys pseud tranny

>>24676389
i read him when i was a teenager and i got into buying crystals and amulets it was so faggy

>>24676407
>i superficially read a book and acted cringe while i did it
>therefore everybody else who reads the book will be cringe like me

>>24676443
well let that be a cautionary to not take him too seriously at least

>>24676388
desu my dude, I'm a retard at reading this stuff, I still don't know what an archetype is, I think it's like those Tarot card things or something, I literally just started reading Jung yesterday
Thanks for the reply though

>>24676218
jung does not start or end anywhere

>>24676407
that's because you were a retard Te/Fi nigger

>>24676186 (OP)
>for someone studying psychology?
Why are you studying psychology, and what have you so far gotten out of it? Did you get into it with the hopes you would understand how the human mind works, in an effort to make yourself a better person and help those around you get better? Well, you can suck a dick, here's a bunch of behaviorism and experimental survey-based pseudo-science that gives no concrete answers to anything, and essentially disregards consciousness entirely as irrelevant. That was at least my experience studying psychology, and I dropped out.

In an effort to make itself a credible science, psychology lost its vision. Modern psychology is in my opinion, not just incomplete, it doesn't even have a foundation. So, in my view it should just drop the scientism and dive into mysticism, which is where Jung did the most amount of work. I personally really like him.

>>24676239
This is mostly right but it's not truly acausal, Jung's context for using that word are within the domain of physics. Synchronicities are caused by the Self archetype.

>>24676472
An archetype is a pattern of psychic activity.

>>24676186 (OP)
Jungfag here. Jung is everything you want psychology to be. Gives real, accurate answers to meaningful questions without slipping into weaksauce shit.
He is at the very top echelon of thinkers in world history.

>>24676239
Maybe I'm just getting filtered, but I'm not seeing how any of this makes sense. This isn't even Russelian tier "the table may have no universal colour because the sense-datum changes from observation to observation", this is just word soup, there's no form to it.

>>24677050
>word soup
Genuine question because I see people either new or obstinate to Jung say this a lot, but what the fuck are you talking about?
I find Jung a thoroughly clear writer. Yes he uses technical terminology but he's writing technical books and he's a pioneer in the field at that. That anon's post doesn't even use much jargon.

>>24677062
The use of technical terminology only really works if the jargon is defined ahead of time (which it might well be, I haven't actually read Jung, I'm just reading the excerpt that anon posted here), and even then it still needs to form a coherent picture. Let's take the excerpt above for example:
>Synchronistic phenomena prove the simultaneous occurrence of meaningful equivalences in heterogeneous, causally unrelated processes
One, what exactly defines a "meaningful equivalence"? Is the meaning derived from the properties of the object observed, or from some sort of inference that the observer is drawing between the object and themself, or perhaps, the object and another object? What makes it 'equivalent'? Two, what is a "heterogenous, causally unrelated process"? There are processes that are dissimilar, and one does not cause the other? That's most phenomena, the bird call outside your house has nothing to do with the droning of a TV presenter, those are heterogenous, causally unrelated processes too. So what? This anon then gives the following explanation:
>in other words, they prove that a content perceived by an observer can, at the same time, be represented by an outside event, without any causal connection.
How can thing A be represented by thing B if they're heterogenous? Why would they be meaningfully equivalent if they occur simultaneously, yet have no impact on one another?
>From this it follows either that the psyche cannot be localized in space, or that space is relative to the psyche.
???? We've went off the face of the map. This may be a true assertion, or it may not, but it has no logical connection to previous statements.

>>24677096
Ok so you're not totally misunderstanding the language you're just questioning the concept.
Basically a synchronicity is when something highly improbable or even physically impossible happens in the physical world for the purpose of giving a symbolic message to your conscious mind. These are highly psychologically impactful events, forming a connection of meaning between things that on the outside look mundane.
The point is that these events are caused by the unconscious for the purpose of psychological development, not by any physical cause.

>>24677039
I think so too
Kinda blows my mind

>>24677096
In the same chapter that the excerpt is from, Jung talks about this experience his patient had, where she was explaining to Jung that she had a dream about this golden scarab, then when she finishes explaining about it, Jung here's this "thudding" sound on the window and goes over to check it out and it's a gold scarab like trying to get into the room from outside, so he opens the window, grabs it, and shows it to the patient and says something like, "here's your gold scarab", and the patient is basically mind blown
That's a meaningful coincidence, a synchronicity, something very highly improbible of happening
Haven't you ever had any experiences like that? Where maybe you're thinking about a particular person that you haven't seen or interacted with in a long time, then maybe the next day you see that person? That's a meaningful coincidence, stuff like that that's highly improbible of happening
I had one experience where I was researching "eye floaters" because I've got eye floaters and the next day, I go to my friend's apartment to hang out, and he starts talking to me about eye floaters, of all the possible things in the world he could've talked about, he talks about eye floaters after I had just personally started researching them, and I had never talked to him before about that topic ever, what are the odds? That's a meaningful coincidence, or Synchronicity

>>24676218
If you're in for the long haul I think it's important to be more chronological.
That pic is all stuff from late in his career or material he didn't even write.

Psychological Types (1921) is a good place to start since at that point he's had enough time to study and differentiate himself from Freud et al.

But from there you can move forward to each newer work that looks interesting to you. I think many people get Jung completely wrong because they're relying on the easiest path toward consumption when it really takes a lot of patience and consideration.

>>24677404
>That's a meaningful coincidence, or Synchronicity
I think another important part of all this is that there's no way to properly differentiate between coincidences, miracles, luck, destiny, or some physical explanation when significant phenomena converge. Effectively, psychology operates on the fact that this occurs constantly, whether or not it's acknowledged or an intelligible description can be provided.

>>24676388
so basically, it's not something that can be controlled?

>>24677545
When I first started noticing my synchronicities, I had some schizo fantasy that some people could read my mind or were somehow monitoring my life without me knowing it, either that, or the synchronicities were actually from God and he was using them to give me a hint of his presence, I guess, idk

Im having extreme Jung fatigue.

>Animus is in contact with the objects of the outer world; Anima is in contact with the objects of the inner world.
>Animus is Consciousness and Anima is Subconsciousness.
>Animus is the Soul of a Woman; Anima is the Soul of a Man.
>In man the Anima is unconscious; in woman however the Animus is unconscious.