Thread 24692643

Is this a philosophically sound take? What do you think?

>>24692643 (OP)
yes

>>24692644
elaborate

>>24692643 (OP)
Why are you posting this incel fucking garbage? Better to "self-improve" than do nothing. Wrong board for a /lit/ too. Also what fucking definition of self improvement does this dumbass provide. This is pre-deterministic bullshit.

>>24692643 (OP)
Pre-pandemic this was bible, but ever since the big tech conquest occurred there are more and more normal and simple minded kids and young adults struggling to make simple connections. Every conversation now is laced with the sense of irony and social awkwardness. There are practically no more third spaces (bars, cafes, lounges, hobby stores, etc) that rely on community, everything is a micro trend that will die out in 6 months if they dont radically change morals and ideals in order to appeal to the next trend wave. No one can agree what "normal" anymore because what was the golden standard of normality pre-2020 has since been destroyed, wiped out. Teens that would have been considered chads have to rely on influencers like Andrew Tate and self-help books like 48 laws of power in order to grasp social cues.

>>24692643 (OP)
something like this could only be written by a self hating incel. normies have to overcome themselves all the time.
getting laid is not the end goal in life, but incels don't get it. they look at the picture and see chad and stacy living the perfect life. they don't think about chad actually having to push himself to his limit because he wants to succeed in sports, they don't see stacy's stress over not looking perfect.
it's especially weird to hear about going with the flow and ending up with a wife, a nice job and kids. as if normies don't work for the minimum wage, never marry, never own property, end up homeless and so on.
all this talk about genetic dead ends and mentally ill freaks is just mindless doomer speak, especially considering that people actually do overcome their problems and start living fulfilling lives.
btw self-help books are extremely popular among normies

>>24692643 (OP)
nice try but the 'normies' now are the genetic fuck ups

Mindless people are the majority. The post is still wrong however in assuming these people didn't make an effort to get what they wanted. His mindset is actually the losers mindset where he thinks it all happens effortlessly or it doesn't happen at all. These NPCs just know what they want in the moment and chase it without thinking. The loser convinces himself he doesn't want anything he has to try to get.

>>24692643 (OP)
This is, and always has been, a cope to blame anyone but oneself for one's failings. Maybe it's not your fault you didn't socialize as a kid, but that doesn't mean you can't do something about it. Maybe you'll always be a little awkward but maybe you'll find one close friend who doesn't care, maybe he's a little awkward himself. Anything is better than being such a disgusting creature as an incel.
>it's - it's genetic, Gollum! No amount of effort could ever make me improve my social skills or quit jerking off every day! No, no no, the football player never had to work hard, he never got anxious about attracting a girl, and if you aren't this imaginary ideal I have in my head then there's nothing uou can do! Seriously! I mean it! Oh - oh, here it comes I'm - I'm cooming!!!!

>>24692643 (OP)
The “golden path” of a high school sweetheart turned wife, a ton of friends and the dream career is lost to us. It is what it is. Seek the “silver path”, it is the best choice you have. If it takes you struggles to get there while others made it to the golden path, so be it.

It makes a strong observation and is scathing, but draws a false conclusion in an attempt for a self loathing/hateful rhetoric towards people the author doesn't like (self improoover nofap types)

Even very basic logical thinking can debunk the chad kissing cheerleader image. Why would somebody who is the result of reproduction (you, the incel chud, etc.) suddenly be genetically unfit to reproduce in a single generation? That's not how evolution works. It would only be possible if you had an actual genetic disorder (like you were born with down syndrome, exposed to extremely toxic chemicals, crippled, etc) but the observation still stands that there is a large amount of disaffected young men who feel they never got a chance to "go with the flow". So therefore, what actually changed so much in a single generation to spawn the concept in the image? Was it the subject's genetics, or massive and unprecedented changes in society? It's very simple and easy to blame individuals instead of acknowledging this fact.

>>24692708
>bars,
I get DRUK every other day though

If there's one thing that's makes lots of people seethe is improvement.

Poorfags hate self made richfags far more than hereditary wealth. Incels hate incels that are trying to go to the gym or just got a girlfriend way more than they'd hate a chad that says "lol you losers will never be 6'2 and fuck girls like me!". Also, some richfags will hate new richfags and chads will hate "exincels" because anytime someone is at the top they'll always perceive the movement of losers becoming winners as competition threat

>>24692664
I'm not the person you responded to, and I don't fully agree with this philosophy, but I can see the general arguement.

Given the enormous diversity that exists between people in any given society, regardless of the degree of cultural or ethnic uniformity, there will always exist people who, upon birth or circumstance throughout their development during adolescence, do not meet the ideals of their civilization.

Every civilization has their ideal citizen, the epitome of their values, and the more you align with this ideal, the more instantaneous social cohesion you can expect from the majority of people in your that society.

You might wonder why societies don't espouse a thorough interrogation of all its people and their values/actions, so that we might all better understand those around us, but, the evolution of society, much like the evolution of life in general, does not select for perfection, it selects for what survives moment to moment, and most people don't have deeply interrogated convinctions regarding societal values, so much as they have a loose set of related beliefs, collected as emotional responses to overarching societal principles.

How does this relate to OP? Our current society works well enough that the majority of people live in it, relatively effortlessly. The amount of conscious thought it takes the average person to navigate social situations barely registers to them, while people who naturally exist outside of social norms, rely on constant mental effort to understand and adapt to social conventions that confuse and alienate them.

I don't agree that it's impossible to overcome, but it's certainly difficult. Just like how most people are capable of developing a better physique or better learning habits, most people can also function better socially, but the challenge feels insurmountable, and they give up before trying

>>24692643 (OP)
It's just manifestly false. People maneuver and work to make themselves attractive all the time. Not to mention that a lot of people are "late bloomers", for example I was a shy, acne ridden shut in for my whole teen years. I worked hard, read books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People", got doctor prescribed acne treatments, tried different sports until I found a group I could fit into, and then began online dating in my 20s. I ended up finding my current gf who I've been with for over 10 years now. Life is great now even though I was a hugless, kissless, handholdless virgin at the age of 20. I'm borderline autistic, I still find it nearly impossible to speak in groups, I much prefer one on one, but I was able to "self improve" and achieve my goals. I know how dark it can be when nothing is going your way and everything is a struggle, but I know it is possible to make things better. It is inhumanly abhorrent to take a shit on people who are already down, so, No, that is not a "philosophically sound take", it is a mean minded spiteful bit of hatred that is beneath men of character. Uplift those who are struggling, don't pile on them.

>>24692643 (OP)
>faults are not flaws
This makes it seem like the jock has no other desire than this picture right here which is not entirely true . He might not even want this girl as bad as the text describes, it is just fixated on the need for social status

>>24692643 (OP)
bs i went to a group therapy thing for suicidal people and fucked up normies think the same shit. seeing how normal everyone was there was good for me i think made me feel like much less of a freak

No, it's gay.

>>24692643 (OP)
Pretty retarded take. Men spend half their lives devising ways to pull women.

>>24692643 (OP)
This wouldn’t be so famous if it didn’t have real resonance. It lacks pity and is obviously motivated by self-hatred, and is delusional to the sufferings of people who you think have it all. As Shakespeare said when we are born we cry that we are come to this stage of fools.This is good advice insofar as one shouldn’t use cunning or grind to get girls, or try contort life into an image of what it should be, you should go with the flow and as Hemingway once said you get a girl when you are ripe for it. And people are more or less determined the day they are born, you are totally limited by the destiny given to you and self-improvement, because its based on short term materialist goals, is the wrong track to be on. This is a good meme just somewhat delusional but that gives it simplicity and power

>>24692643 (OP)
It's like Michael vs Satan in that you the observer are being taken advantage of by using your own emotional elegent power against you. In an ideal world, people will kiss in private not in public. Kissing... That is like water. The best element of nature is water. Sex is like water, the ocean is fucking water Jeebus walked on it The best way I can describe consciousness is that of an iceberg. Consciousness begins at frozen incipience. But alas, unless if there is a strict reason to NOT do X then that is the reward and consequence of freedom.

>>24692643 (OP)
Its also because today's music is degenerate. Escaping music now Ha! That is a different story. Imagine someone with an ear so peculiar he could describe what he is feeling in words what music could. That is like playing bass guitar and electric guitar on the same instrument.

>>24692643 (OP)
School shooters usually mitigate the problem by taking them out too, evening the score.

>>24692938
WHAT A LIFE

>>24692643 (OP)
It makes people extremely mad like no other post I've ever seen but there is a kernel of truth to it. There are Beautiful People in life who take the path of least resistance until whatever it is that made them Beautiful eventually withers away and then there are the runts who constantly smack into brick walls at every turn and are incapable of overcoming their lowliness. Most people are neither; they just muddle through life by trial and error, a fair bit of luck and a small batch of beautiful qualities. Where the post falls short is turning life into a binary, ignoring the muddlers completely but when you genuinely feel yourself to be as low as a runt, even muddlers can seem high and beautiful.

>>24693111
>group therapy thing for suicidal people
there were no normies there, anon

>>24692643 (OP)
"Chads" today are domesticated cattle just like everyone else. They're no different than the Nintendo soibois, just more attractive which means they get pussy. Big deal. You can just go with prostitutes if you're ugly. It's not like regular women today are any different than actual whores.
You can be blessed with looks but make the slightest diversion from the narrative, even something as simple as disliking loose women, and you turn into a chud incel etc etc really fast.
Honestly I think the most dangerous thing about rejecting cattledom is that you inevitably end up neglecting yourself. Every year it becomes more difficult to give a shit about what others think or what they perceive you as. I didn't shave and groom today? Who cares. It's a slippery slope. You need a degree of domestication to function but the more you despise society the more difficult it is to do any self-improvement because in the end, no matter what, you do this for the sake of others and to function as a social being. It takes a lot more discipline to take care of yourself when you abhor society. If you're cattle it's all easier. Being unthinking cattle is a primary requirement of being a "Chad" so I don't get why this shit still exists. How the fuck do you want to be a "Chad" if being a "Chad" means listening to nigger music and worshiping nigger culture and acting like a nigger and enjoying your time with loose whores and eventually knocking one up and raising another white nigger to join the herd. Cause that's the "Chad" life cycle, you know that? They spawn a niglet with some tatted up whore.

>>24692873
>Why would somebody who is the result of reproduction (you, the incel chud, etc.) suddenly be genetically unfit to reproduce in a single generation?
not to support the bait meme in the OP but 90% of the boomer generation should have been castrated. The boomer generation allowed people who should have never reproduced to raise a family. It was the most dysgenic generation in history and the genetic waste it produced is still acting on the mindset that things should be this way. The whole "Chad" thing isn't because there's "Chads", it's just that there's a lot of people around who should never have existed and those people managed to reproduce. This allowed the world to spiral into horror. We have 3 generations of mega cattle. From boomers onward human beings have been the equivalent of factory farmed chicken who are selected not by nature but according to the tenderness of their meat and willingness to share a cramped cage with 30 other chicken. then those chicken look at the cock chosen to breed the other factory chicken and think "wow that's THE cock" but the truth is that the real cock is the wild one in the forest outside and those went extinct 3 generations ago

>>24693587
>>24693619
You’re both retards but this is good stuff lol

>>24692643 (OP)
It's either nihilistic bait or the original author of that post lived in a small town and not the hellscape that is the modern suburbs. Also, self improvement is inherently good, full stop.
t. 23 male and haven't had a romantic relationship with a woman.

>"no self-improvement necessary"
>posts pic of student athlete who likely trains twice a day
i don't think op thought this all the way through. that said, if he had posted a pic of one of those out of shape stoner dude losers who has a smoking hot gf it might have made more sense.

>>24693647
I never did any self-improvement, zero, just having fun and going with the flow and I spent my whole teens and early 20s fucking girls like a wild rabbit
in fact I only started putting some effort into myself because the lifestyle is not sustainable when you get older, but I think I'll just die instead

>>24692798
> Seek the “silver path”
What does the silver path look like?

>>24693772
Only you can answer that for yourself. It’s important not to apply any artificial templates of how life “should be”

>>24692643 (OP)
>does this picture of two trained competitive athletes debunk self-improvement?
Whoever made this is trying to cope with their own lack of success rather than speaking from a position of having found success.

>>24692643 (OP)
Noble savage outsider view of normalcy, /r9k/ orientalism. Normal people aren't in line with the Tao, moving with efortless action, everyone struggles.

>>24692643 (OP)
Athletes do self-improve. High school athletes train every day. They're in better physical shape and therefore, generally, more attractive. It also places them in a social setting where they have to coordinate with other people.

Well-adjusted people are not well-adjusted by magic. They generally have better daily habits.

>>24693823
TRVTHNVKE

>>24693823
holy btfo'd /lit/

Athletes have to self improve relative to each other but all athletes on any level are preselected by their genetic prowess and fitness. A five-year old dyspraxic with low muscle tone isn't going to become even a high school level athlete no matter how hard they train in the ensuing years. You can teach and train certain elements up to a point but we all have our ceilings and it follows that for some people their ceilings are low across the board. There are children born unable to breath without assistance - there are people who exist only a couple of rungs above that. And then there are the "chosen people" whose lives take the path of least resistance. If you've ever been around an exceptional athlete or artist or charismatic person, especially from a young age, you can see how naturally effortless a lot of activities are that you and I would have to sweat blood to achieve. That's not even factoring in the gift of physical attractiveness. It doesn't eliminate hard work but it does mean their hard work is not the same as yours.

This train of thought is interesting if you are under 25 I guess. If you still think like this after turning 25 and developing your frontal lobe then you are stupid. But some people on this site think that is a virtue. Stephen fucking Hawking had two wives. Figure it out or sublimate your sexual desire into an autistic fixation on knowledge. Do one or the other and stop thinking like you are a 19 year old horny undergrad.

Some percentage of people just aren't going to make it. Attraction is relative, mating is meant to weed out the least fit genes (or gene markers) and propagate the fittest ones. Nothing you can do to change that.

However, being in that bottom 15% (or whatever) right now does not mean you are stuck there forever. Or vice versa.
Self improvement can absolutely work, but it's not easy. If you really need it, and it can really help you, it will be hard, you will fail several times in the process, and it might still not be enough.

>>24693551
nah they are extremely normal i promise

Some have to try really hard while others barely try at all. Why does this get the herd so riled up?

>>24692643 (OP)
No. They didn’t just “do things that were normal” they also probably had a stable family home, strong father figure, leaders to look towards, etc. Self improvement is possible for people who grew up without that but it’s definitely not easy.

that the image expresses some kind of unpleasant truth is evidenced by the way people tend to misrepresent or misunderstand it when they try to argue against it, like they can't quite bear looking at it clearly. look at how many anons go "but athletes train???" as if the picture claimed they didn't. the point isn't that "improvement" doesn't occur in the normie but that it takes place spontaneously as a result of well-adjusted interaction with social structures. normal people develop eg social skills gradually throughout youth, they don't spend 20+ years as outcasts only to then begin a doomed quest to turn themselves into casanova by reading pua manuals. while self-help often sells itself on the premise of turning normies into ubermenschen it's typically about trying to make total failures halfway functional. if you need that, it says something about you.

>>24692643 (OP)
What you're calling cringe is really just the universal human condition. There is no such thing as a human being who "just exists", even the person who falls into the natural flow you describe is already caught up in invisible routines of repetition, training, and adaptation that made that flow possible. He didn't "just exist" his way into a girlfriend or a stable job, he was unconsciously shaped by countless micro-practices, habits, and inherited dispositions that gave him the ease you're mistaking for nature.

The genetic dead-end you sneer at is simply someone whose implicit training programmes have failed to align with the mainstream current. But the crucial point is that everyone is a cripple in some way, unfinished, premature, malformed, reliant on prostheses, culture, and habit to stand upright. That's not an insult, it's the human definition. You can call someone "mentally ill" or "low-status" but all humans are already engaged in corrective exercises just to stay afloat.

Even stupidity, mediocrity, and inertia are not natural baselines, they are learned, practiced states. To be the sunbathing bourgeois who "just exists" in his suburban ease requires just as much conditioning, just as many repetitions, as the ascetic who spends nights agonizing over change. Both are practising lives, though only one is aware of it.

So the real difference is not between the average person who flows and the loser who strains. The difference is between those who remain unconscious of the law of practice (and therefore stagnate in their habits) and those who confront the call to change, however painfully. From this angle, the one you call a genetic dead-end may in fact be closer to the truth of what it means to be human: a being condemned never to simply exist, but to lead, repeat, and reshape his life against the pull of decline.

>>24692643 (OP)
What you're calling cringe is really just the universal human condition. There is no such thing as a human being who "just exists", even the person who falls into the natural flow you describe is already caught up in invisible routines of repetition, training, and adaptation that made that flow possible. He didn't "just exist" his way into a girlfriend or a stable job, he was unconsciously shaped by countless micro-practices, habits, and inherited dispositions that gave him the ease you're mistaking for nature.
The genetic dead-end you sneer at is simply someone whose implicit training programmes have failed to align with the mainstream current. But the crucial point is that everyone is a cripple in some way, unfinished, premature, malformed, reliant on prostheses, culture, and habit to stand upright. That's not an insult, it's the human definition. You can call someone "mentally ill" or "low-status" but all humans are already engaged in corrective exercises just to stay afloat.
Even stupidity, mediocrity, and inertia are not natural baselines, they are learned, practiced states. To be the sunbathing bourgeois who "just exists" in his suburban ease requires just as much conditioning, just as many repetitions, as the ascetic who spends nights agonizing over change. Both are practising lives, though only one is aware of it.
So the real difference is not between the average person who flows and the loser who strains. The difference is between those who remain unconscious of the law of practice (and therefore stagnate in their habits) and those who confront the call to change, however painfully. From this angle, the one you call a genetic dead-end may in fact be closer to the truth of what it means to be human: a being condemned never to simply exist, but to lead, repeat, and reshape his life against the pull of decline.

>>24693926
Because it offends their sense of cosmic justice

He's full of shit. It's true that successful people are like fishes in the water, but it's got a lot more to do with nurture and the makeup of society than it has with heredity. "Natural flow of life," what a joke.

It's genuinely the gayest image of all time. Imagine accepting your lot is over thanks to some loser who thinks everything about his identity hinged on a woman he could have fallen in love with, in different shades and seasons throughout his life.
Also whenever I see these age insecurity posts I think about the 16-year-old soldiers of both World Wars choking to death on their blood, confused and screaming, or when I visited my friend after he broke his leg and seeing cancer-ridden children in nearby wards. Every day is a gift that not everyone gets the privilege to experience. A saccharine truth but it doesn't make it any less practical.

>>24693804
>Noble savage outsider view of normalcy, /r9k/ orientalism
Aptly put
The OP style of rhetoric presumes that normies are some kind of subspecies that traipse through the world without a care, like nymphs prancing through a field of lollies, instead of human beings with problems and doubts

>>24692643 (OP)
It would be true if magic wasn't about.
>You become a wizard if you live to 30 without losing your virginity
This is because the spell some masons/jws/superstars made with "Ursula" were to trade their miserable situation to a chadlike pull- stealing the energy and attraction of another person. However, the situation would be reversed if 'he live to the age of 30.'
Same principle applies in manufactured stars and celebrities. Energy manipulation. Soul pacts. It's why porn and music videos are full of sigils.
It's a rotten system with rotten people. But there is no demiurge. Just creeps.

>>24693942
This thoughbeit.

>>24693942
>the point isn't that "improvement" doesn't occur in the normie
You're a complete fucking loser lmao.
"Normies" still worry about their studies, have to deal with abusive households and struggle to overcome them, might flirt with substance abuse, deal with dying relatives and loved ones, and experience the horror of life like all of us.
If you think this image is too true for people to handle as opposed to nowhere near true enough to what life is actually like, you're stupid or have little true life experience. Even people with full disfigurements and disabilities gather the courage to make a go of it.

>>24692643 (OP)
This is almost entirely wrong. The thing is that many people stuck being an lonely, friendless, incel simply didn't have the practice of socializing as kids and young adults. That's all any of this is. Even the ugly, short, fatasses can fuck or get girlfriends by having the gift of gab, that's being able to engage people in conversation or make them laugh. I'm a naturally introverted person, I didn't like being dragged around to events with my parents, I didn't like just going to my various relatives houses to just visit and sit and talk, I didn't like being forced to go to the sleepovers or spend summer away from home, out of state, to live with family that didn't get to see me and my siblings often. I didn't even like having siblings, if it was up to me I'd have been a single child and just spent my time reading, and gaming, and drawing, and watching tv. But doing all of that, meeting new people constantly, having to be uncomfortable, makes you learn how to cope and be social. Because of that, I knew how to talk just enough to seduce girls and women. It has nothing to do with being a chad, believe it or not there are socially awkward attractive people who can't get the dates that they want. It's all about learning to talk to people, how to make them feel comfortable being around you and talking to you. No woman is going to want to fuck any guy's she doesn't feel comfortable around. When the do it gets called sexual assault or cohesion and those men go to prison. The self improvement is arc of losing weight, dressing a bit better, improving hygiene, and learning to fake confidence and learning how to simply talk is real. Men and women who have done it don't spend their time trying to drag others out of the pits because these fuckers don't want it, it's not hard to achieve, but there's a learning curve and it takes building momentum or good habits, and people would rather just be handed things.

>>24693823
yes , correct, and very succinct

>>24694033
You're still missing the point. Some people are naturally social and physical. When they expend effort on social activities and exercise, they enjoy the process. They're set up for success because their natural tendencies align with the general definition of success. By contrast, the incel is typically someone who naturally hates physical activity and views every social interaction as a confrontation.
Of course it's naive to think you're doomed to suffering unless you're a gigachad from birth, and this line of thinking always ends up falling into the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, but the OP pic is a technically valid worldview in the sense that many people really don't have to try, and have a far better life by default than the neurotic incel, who is forever locked into a depressive inferiority complex and can never appreciate anything.
But you're still blatantly a defensive normie. Your last sentence is especially telling. I became disabled a few years ago after a concussion and it's an outright fact that normal people take their state of being for granted and don't understand what it's actually like to suffer without natural guardrails or behaviors to fall back on

>>24694065
By definition anybody who has to cope is already a loser. That's the point, that there are people who are living real lives, and then a subcaste of losers who can only imitate them, who will never experience real happiness, and they always get defensive about this picture kek
It just tells it like it is

>>24694033
this is exactly what i'm talking about lol, thanks for illustrating it. "the image is wrong because normies experience grief when their loved ones die." who said they didn't? what? the point is just that normal people don't need special help with everyday trivialities like basic social interaction. if you need a wheelchair to move, you're not healthy. if you need a book to explain how to make a friend something went wrong somewhere. why does this uncontroversial observation make you so butthurt that you feel the need to pretend the image says something else?

>>24692643 (OP)
Classic
>"success is skating through life! Look at me loser!"

Fast forward to mid life crisis and if they haven't realized, their highschool years were the best years of their life that they'll never get to relive.

Is it philosophical? not really? If you squint hard enough, then sure. it's some asshole spewing on about fatalism mixed with some pseud 'disgenics' opinions.

>>24693727
are you physically a chad though? the post is talking about genetics

It's true in the sense women are genetic selectors. They are not actually good at this, but it's an immutable reality. If you don't fit the criteria of womens' collective "today" for what is attractive then you are unlikely to be selected by any of them, as even the most rebellious women act in accordance with what women think. Combine this with an increasingly gynocentric society where women are increasingly put into positions of power and make increasing amounts of the laws and rules, and you extrapolate this selection model into a wider environment. It's not a coincidence Greece began seriously collapsing once large amounts of political roles were inhabited by women. In any case, you won't persuade anyone who isn't already aware into considering any of this. Any attempts to do so will yield innumerable amounts of "well I knew an exception to the rule >>24693077 so therefore it isn't happening" and similar Niggers With Breakfast intellectual pitfalls.

>>24694098
Everyone copes though, in multiple ways anon. Why are you acting like attractive people are divine beings? They are faking it too, I promise you they are. Listen to them talk, they are full of doubts just like all the incels or femcels or whatever. That's what part of learning how to socialize is, it's practice at shutting down the doubt or fear and realizing everyone feels those things.

>>24692643 (OP)
> self improvement? Na, 'muh genetics' win
> no exercise, school, or any form of self reflection.
> body gets fat, becomes a loser over time since self improvement includes bodily maintenance.
> blows brains out for being a retard.

>>24694199
>lose genetic lottery
>do nothing
>blow brains out

>lose genetic lottery
>try very hard to deny reality
>proven wrong
>blow brains out

All you have done in the latter instance is torture yourself for much longer.

>>24694190
Honestly that image doesn't make sense to me

If what matters is survival fitness, and it's already selecting for genes naturally, then why would it need any female selection, especially when the female selection lowers the survival fitness over time? The survival fitness in this case would select for females to stop choosing so fucking much because it's fucking up with the 'actually being fit to survive' part

>>24694206
>then why would it need any female selection,
Well it doesn't "need" that, if men could self-reproduce like Spongebob that would be ideal. But women play a role and they develop favorable characteristics for mates, oftentimes ones that are either rare for rarity's sake (limiting the gene pool for no good reason and causing issues later) or outright detrimental.

>>24694205
Lose with grace.
The world changes genre.

>>24694205
that's a bit too pessimistic for me, can you say something more uplifting?

>>24694220
If you increase your bench women might look at you.

>>24694205
What exactly is losing the genetic lottery? Stephen Hawking clearly didn't lose, and if you say >but muh genius, well you could say Tesla did lose, and also Schop lost as well

>>24694205
You're not refuting my point because you're not even addressing it.
>not maintaining body because self improvement disproves genetics
is miles apart from:
> at birth, you will roll a genetic lotto

Sometimes I wonder if philospseuds can even read properly.

>>24694225
Honestly you don't have a point, I laid out some of the most simple arguments possible and you're still floundering.

Here's a reminder that solipsists are NPCs and deserve to be bullied and made fun of.

Here's a question to all anons in this thred. Do you think that incels are just stupid? Seriously.
It almost always feels like they just can't understand some basic concepts of how to act appropriately in different situations. Most people with aspergers figure out how to mask quite effectively, it's only those with low functioning autism that can't.

>>24694252
Not stupid, but they are lazy and like being victims. Many people opt for victimization because there are built in excuses, it's easier to blame something or someone else than realizing that you've actually got to try, or figure out yourself and your goals. I think that they simply don't actually want what society tells them they are supposed to have but they are too cowardly to just shrug and say it's okay to not want multiple sexual partners, or children, or to work 40+ hours a week, or to travel, or to own property. Back in the old days of internet culture NEETs and otakus and the hikikomori didn't complain about not being able to fuck or have platonic or romantic relationships, they just embraced their nonconformist life and didn't give a fuck.

>>24693077
>read books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People"
kek

>>24692708
The thing is that even places like Panera are trying to kick out people just there to hang out now. Society has destroyed third spaces because it isn't commercial enough. It is making everyone lonely and miserable.

>>24694313
there's nothing wrong with that advice. you're not special. you're not above self-help books. and how to win friends and influence people is a really decent one.

>>24694252
Depends what you call “incel”, I’ve had bpd women who can’t hold a job, are serial sluts and are consistently ignorant throw that word out because someone didn’t agree with them or had a push back towards feminist viewpoints.
>>24694294
>Back in the old days of internet culture NEETs and otakus and the hikikomori didn't complain about not being able to fuck or have platonic or romantic relationships, they just embraced their nonconformist life and didn't give a fuck.
Men and masculinity has been under constant attack for the past decade or more over in the west, so probably a bit different. But I’m sure not all those people are the same anyways.

>>24693823
And they are more inclined to engage in and start those habits due to genetics.

>>24694314
There are still lots of bar, clubs, local coffee shops, parks, recs, beaches, and hobby oriented social gatherings for people to go to. Many do. The actual problem is, low pay, our money doesn't go as far as it used to, and technology. Why go out when you've got all of your entertainment and social needs being met through smartphones, tablets, consoles, and PCs? Society literally started to decline when we got cheap smartphones in 2010.

>the circumstances of your life are YOUR FAULT AND IF YOU SUCK IT'S YUR FAULT
>doesn't understand the difference between trying hard to self "improve" and simply going along with the flow and having fun "training"
>heh i made it that means everyone else can too if you don't then that would mean i was actually privileged but we can't have that so everyone must be able to succeed or i will literally go insane
>some pseud writing meaningless smartass paragraphs
>biology isn't real and there is a magic spirit that makes us all equal so if you fail then your magic spirit is bad and it's your fault
have i missed something?

>>24694252
You're talking about niggas that had basically 0 social interactions with random women lol. At a young age even the difference between a guy that socialized with 5 different women and 1 is massive. Some of them could've tried once or twice but got into some traumatic experience and just gave up. The incels aren't going to want to put in the hard work to recoup the experience, and the ones that had trauma still have this barrier to overcome. It's like learning a language, the native speakers never had to "work for it", they just learnt it by living life as normal, and the foreign leaners have to put in lots of work to become fluent at the same level, so it's possible, but people are already lazy as shit to learn a foreign language, so imagine how it is for socialization which doesn't have tons of resources, teachers, and exams to hold your hand through everything

>>24694367
Even worse. If you have poor social skills, people will not even want to interact with you at all. Which, of course, makes it very hard to improve your social skills. It's like trying to speak French to French people when you don't already speak decent French.

And it's not hard to fall into this trap. All it takes is falling behind a little bit early on. Maybe it was back in middle school, or high school. If you aren't building the same social skills as everyone else, then you fall behind. If you fall behind, people won't want to interact with you. If they don't want to interact with you, you fall behind. It's a vicious cycle.

The opposite is true too, by the way. A small advantage can snowball into a huge one. That's why athletes are, on average, older for their grade. Same reason why there are so many left handed fencers, despite left handedness only conferring an advantage when you are fencing noobs.

>>24694351
Too many people the word “privileged” to essentially hand wave the efforts of others. Like the average leftoid who thinks anyone with money cheated and stole to get it and has absolutely no good qualities.

>>24694395
When you hear the word “skill” you should be happy, all you have to do is read some stuff, take actions, put yourself in uncomfortable situations and improve. If you go out and practice socializing you’re gonna get better at it.

>>24694405
effort is a scam. i can put in a lot of effort being a code monkey for 8 hours a day and look very busy typing on my puter, drawing diagrams and all that fancy shit and brainlets like you will think
>woooaoahahh so much EFFORT so much hard WORK
but in truth i was just going with the flow. doing what requires the least effort. some CEO working 80 hours a week can put in less effort than a neet trying to tidy their room. it's all subjective and only those who never went through any real effort think that activity/work = effort

>anyone with money cheated and stole to get it and has absolutely no good qualities.
it's true thoughbeit

>>24694410
are you a bot? did you even bother to read the first paragraph? or did your memory overflow and you could only remember the last sentence?

>>24694414
I’m zeroing in on a specific concept I think is important.