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How can anyone deny that Israel is a net drain on America's geopolitical interests after reading this book?
If it wasn't for the alliance with Israel America would have much better relations with the Arab world and the world would be safer for Americans.

>>24698169 (OP)
>t. antisemite

>>24698169 (OP)
The United States shouldn't have any alliances at all. They shouldn't wield their power as a world hegemon. They should become completely isolationist and cede all power to the growing power alliance between Iran, Russia, and China. Nothing bad would happen from that decision at all.

>>24698169 (OP)
There are decisions that were made in the aftermath of World War II that cannot be unmade. America sided with Israel, a marriage of states. A Catholic marriage, like the one between the USA and Saudi. And there are no divorces in a Catholic marriage. America and Israel are stuck together until the end, be it bitter or sweet.

>>24698182
No, no we should end all our alliances instead and leave them to be eaten by the wolves. It surely will benefit us in the end.

>>24698169 (OP)
Blessing everyone itt with the courage to reply to posts this time.

>>24698181
Are you making fun of OP right now or are you for real.

>>24698169 (OP)
Obviously jews are semites like the rest in the MENA.
What the Israel lobby really represents is the US trying to control the craddle of civilization: iranians, egyptians, semites and turks. It would objectively be a powerful region if united and given a goal. The US doing whatever it can to 1. not let that happen and 2. control the region only makes sense.
It only makes sense to have the largest domestic semitic diaspora control the fractured MENA via an representative outpost for your global empire benefit.

>>24698181
False dilemma + implying there are no better allies to choose from than Israel. Go to pol and read the sticky.

>>24698181
>growing power alliance between Iran, Russia, and China.
these countries are literally incapable of forming alliances. That is their whole fucking problem. The can hold hands for the photos but never be in a true alliance.

>>24698191
I am for real. Why should our tax dollars go to foreign countries when they could go to the American taxpayer instead for cheeseburgers and healthcare.

>>24698169 (OP)
Do you niggas ever get tired of fotm seething?
>inb4 this is actually really serious how dare you, think of the children
Reddit is that way

>>24698196
Exactly. The United States has nothing to worry about, they should stop involving themselves in foreign affairs altogether and that will make them rich and the world will be peaceful.

>>24698181
>your options are alliance with Israel or no alliances at all
The mind of a philosemite

>>24698216
Don't you understand? Israel is our only friend in the region since it became our ally and this is in no way suspicious.

>>24698169 (OP)
>America would have much better relations with the Arab world
What Arab countries would America have alliances with that they don't currently have because of Israel?

>>24698169 (OP)
are we going to have an israel lobby general now? nobody is even discussing the book in these threads

>>24698249
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Egypt

“ Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. We must defend them!"

"The Palestinians voted for Hamas. They deserve what they voted for!"

The pro-Israel people have told me both. As usual, they can't get their narrative straight.

>>24698254
Everyone on this list except Iran and Yemen is an American ally
>Egypt
Major non-NATO ally, gets tons of America military aid
>Qatar
Hosts the largest American airbase in MENA
>Saudi Arabia
Was literally the most important ally of US in the 20th century, is a big reason why we won the Cold War

>>24698181
The United States should end military aid to Israel.
1 Military aid to Israel is a diplomatic liability to the United States
2 Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy law which prohibits military aid to human rights violators
3 Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington Amendment which prohibits any form of foreign aid to nations with nuclear weapons that do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites and/or have not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

>>24698181
>Nothing bad would happen from that decision at all.
I agree. Let’s just start at square one, blank slate. Who are you guys? My name is Billy. Billy Parham. I got a wolf I’m taking to release in the wilderness. Nothing can go wrong….

Mearsheimer is fifth column pseud who's been wrong about literally everything. No wonder he's the poster intellectual for pro-palestine brainrotted leftists, commies and groypers.

>>24698469
This is just straight up lying.

>>24698469
leftists despised Mearsheimer until very recently

>>24698469
Where was he wrong?

Why do geopolitical academics always treat their subject like it’s some map painter strategy game? They’ll talk about countries defending their nebulous ‘interests’ but never question the legitimacy of those interests in the first place.

The current war has been front and center for AI militarization and the complete abandonment of any actual pretension of upholding international law. Also, the Jewish/Zionism authoritarianism over the very fact and questioning of their expansive power is brazen to a level never seen before. Once this is all over the consequences will be dire and unpredictable. All the pre-crime AI shit being rolled out is obviously just a gambit to stop crook and criminals from getting the 1789 treatment.

>>24698598
Why do faggots hide behind passive aggression and vaguities instead of just getting to the point? Name a specific academic who does this, and explain why they’re wrong.

Your current statement conveys essentially nothing, besides that you are too inept to articulate something meaningful.

>>24698234
>Don't you understand? Israel is our only friend in the region since it became our ally and this is in no way suspicious.
I mean, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Qatar are pretty damn close to us too as someone mentioning. But even in these cases, the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the U.S. clearly and heavy-handedly falling on the side of Israel, leads to tensions in the relations at times, and probably relations would be even friendlier without this conflict, so there’re fair enough points in the thread overall.

Holy fuck. Antisemitism is the cancer that is killing /lit/

>>24698169 (OP)
/lit/ is not /pol/. If you want to do your weird mix of lefty "muh international institutions say," "muh Yuropoor report," and /pol/tard anti-Semitism (which BTW, absolutely puts you as a migrant safely seething in Yurostan) go do it on /pol/. You need to go back, just like you need to go back IRL. If you love Hamas so much, go back home and fight for them. Stop trying to get us to fight your war for you. You least of all should be crying about taking other people's land.

>>24698653
>>24698729
How's the weather in Tel Aviv

>>24698182
No, the Jewish elite took control of America and decided that it would serve Israel, don't say that as if America has a choice.

>>24698182
Idk what you’re smoking, clear enough to in have never, ever read a history book or you would know America was actually under an oil embargo from Saudi Arabia at one point during the Cold War, and we only became close when they begged us to make them a protectorate during the Gulf War. America was also definitely not married to Israel, Eisenhower was extremely stern with Israel and Ronald Reagan also got majorly pissed off with Israel and compared their actions to Hitler and threatened to sanction them. America’s policy with Israel until Bush Sr was basically try to me a tough friend in order to deter Israeli escalation of the region, after Israel got nukes, and especially after the Iranian Revolution. But even with Iran we still weren’t married: in the Iran-Iraq war for instance, we strongly supported Saddam whereas Israel strongly supported Khomeini (yes). America is married to the UK maybe, Japan sure, but Israel has not send troops to help in a single one of America’s wars. Not Korea, not Vietnam, not Iraq, not Afghanistan. There is no alliance there. During Bush Sr AIPAC a passed the lip of influence and that and that alone is why all there branches of government have been lapdogs for Israel ever since

>>24698290
Neither of those things contradict each other

>>24698598
>the legitimacy of those interests in the first place.
They do; just look at the war in Ukraine. Judging the legitimacy of other countries' interests is worthless; it's just an individual's subjective opinion; it changes nothing. For Russians, their interests are logical; NATO is a threat; what Europeans think is of no importance to them, and vice versa.

>>24698927
Israel is fighting America's war on terror directly on the front lines while we get to rest safely in our homes.

>>24698966
A lot of IDF are Americans so that’s not quite true