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Preferably through the use of international law and accords. I personally do not like conflicts that predate the dissolution of their previous custodians (like the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in the Caucasus which took off way before the implosion of the USSR and was subject to different legal systems, resulting in nitpicking).
Israel-Palestine is okay though since it more or less started because of the UN.

I'd also like to mention that troll posts belong on his and I am only interested in factual and legal readings of this topic. You can display any belief you want, as long as you can at least tell us where it comes from. If you do not like providing or engaging with citations, then this is not the thread for you.

>>24703089 (OP)
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It is not complicated. One side is blackmailing the President of the United States with child rape and genociding Muslims and Christians, the other side is resisting this.

Read the history of the 1948 Nakba, you will not learn it at your zionist institutions of education. You are deeply uninformed. Read The Jewish State by Theodor Herzl as well, the foundational text of zionism.

The conflict in the Holy Land is not complicated at all. It is only presented as such by zionist imperialists to obscure horrific war crimes and corruption.

>>24703602

To even recognize the illegal occupation of Palestine as "Israel" is to ideologically submit to zionism, and many nations refuse to do this. Mostly Muslim nations. When you realize that the zionist project was founded by literal atheists who have deceived the Christian nations into thinking that their secular settlement is the Israel of the Scripture, it becomes obvious.

You will see this clear bias in government, academia, media, corporate America. Assuming the recent illegal government crackdowns of free protests has not opened your eyes already. I do not believe that the occupation of Palestine is a legitimate, sovereign state. I do not believe it is the Israel of the Scripture or even an actual country, as genocide and terrorism is not a legitimate basis of sovereignty.

My peers in the Muslim world agree, and even some nations beyond the Muslim world are rescinding their recognition of the zionist entity. Such as the recently bombed Venezuela.

Even this website is completely dominated by zionists. They employ actual soldiers and propagandists to desperately try and control every narrative and discussion. Social media is outright censored, and I've been banned on this website multiple times for criticizing zionism.

The propaganda will intensify in about five days on the anniversary of 9/11. You will be taught to reinforce a genocidal hatred for Muslims for the goals of the zionist entity.

To be honest, I am getting tired of repeating the same lines to a people who casually agree that I am not even a human being for being a Muslim and are completely brainwashed by zionist lies.

>>24703626

>The propaganda will intensify in about five days on the anniversary of 9/11. You will be taught to reinforce a genocidal hatred for Muslims for the goals of the zionist entity.

What will be ignored is the controlled demolition of Seven World Trade Center, a government building, and how 9/11 aligned the entire nations towards the goals of zionist imperialism.

This clear evidence, this smoking gun, will be ignored. Despite my efforts to propagate it online, even as a former journalist, I've faced only censorship and dismissal.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

You would think this is important to people, the clear proof of government collusion in an event which massacred thousands of American civilians. Clear proof that the government is actively lying about the 9/11 narrative, a narrative which has led to the death of 4.5 million people so far.

Apparently the Cracker Barrel logo is more important as a public issue, or some other meaningless distraction from the truth and its consequences. How do you even communicate with someone who decides that you are not a human being for being a Muslim?

This little website is my only connection to the outside world. I live in complete isolation as a Shia Muslim in rural Alabama. Will America ever wake up to reality? I do not know. I think it is time to take a break from this yelling into the void.

I will try to get an idea of where America's conscience is on the upcoming anniversary of 9/11 and then simply take a break from engaging with current events and the zionist media at large, which we experience by proxy through this site and those like it.

>>24703670

Here is the ambition of the zionists. To expand their false "Israel" over every nation they have deceived the US military into committing mass genocide against.

Iraq is still occupied, the US military indiscriminately massacred civilians in their homes and in the street. Syria was indiscriminately bombed as well, entire city blocks full of schools, hospitals, apartments just leveled to the ground.

What happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan is the exact same as Palestine, but since it was the genocidal crimes of the US military you will not hear about it nor see liberals making it into a social trend.

The red tail hawk, the white tail deer, the turtles and the fish, the bullfrog and the blue heron, they do not care that we follow the Koran and I find them to be grest company indeed as a Muslim in America.

>>24703626
Its not even that. Your religion denies the trinity and is incompatible with the west. I really don't know what to tell you.

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>>24703692
>To be honest, I am getting tired of repeating the same lines
To be honest, your take is rather one-sided, which means you look silly for bringing it to the two-sided thread.

A two-sided take would be more like:
I recognize that the Nakba was a necessary evil from the Jewish point of view, that they had valid justifiable reasons to choose that specific land and commit violence in order to found a safe homeland for themselves.
But now that Israel has won that battle and successfully established itself as a safe homeland for the Jewish people, does it not have a moral obligation to revisit the Nakba and make restitution to its victims?

>>24703692

>The red tail hawk, the white tail deer, the turtles and the fish, the bullfrog and the blue heron, they do not care that we follow the Koran and I find them to be great company indeed as a Muslim in America

This nation is beautiful and I believe its people are generally well meaning as I believe most human beings are, but it is under an incredibly dark spell due to the horrific crimes and lies of the lawless zionists, and so it has deemed me unwelcome. I take refuge in its wild expanse.

>>24703702
David Ben Gurion said he would rather 50% of Jews die for an Israel even if 100% of Jews could live comfortably in the UK.

>>24703745
You're still trying to be one-sided. From his own point of view, would he have had a valid reason to say that?

>>24703783
I don’t know what do you think?

>>24703909
In my opinion, from his point of view, it would be worth sacrifices to obtain a land where they can manage their own safety, rather than to live in a land where their safety is in the hands of others.

Do you disagree that this might have been his way of thinking, and that he might have had valid reasons to feel this way?

>>24703089 (OP)
>I'd also like to mention that troll posts belong on his and I am only interested in factual and legal readings of this topic.
History lacks facticity. Read any basic text on historiography. Historiography is the claimed attempt to conduct exegesis in the knowledge that eisegesis will be produced instead. History is raping the hypertext of the archive.

For fucks sake cunt. This is basic 4th year theory. Get a 1st year PhD text on historiography and pay attention to the collapse of moralist (CPGB) and structuralist (Annales) readings of the text in the face of the demonstrable impossibility of knowing if texts contain meanings (summarised in chomsky/Foucault, first half, own goal by chomsky. Yes the capital letters are important, they encode the BDSM function.)

>>24703934
I’m trans btw if that matters

>>24704069
we know

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>>24704081
Systems of meaning are unassignable as texts don't have meanings within them.

>>24704134
Your statement has no meaning.

>>24704148
Now you're getting post-structuralism!

>>24703745
Should Hamas lay down arms and surrender if in exchange Gaza can be annexed into Israel and its residents granted full Israeli citizenship?

That is to say, would it be better for 50% of Gazans to die for an independent Gazan state or better for 100% of Gazans to live comfortably as full citizens of an Israeli state?

>>24703602
No examples of the US compromising its own interests or examples of actual injustices commited against the
palestinians, no examples of actual groups or individuals in the "israel" lobby. This post is purely empty words.
A few videos of soldiers unjustly treating civilians like crap is not a historical precedant for the prevailing sentiment and culture common within arab communities around the entire world for at least the last 100 years. The fact is that a muslim arab can walk the streets of tel-aviv
unperturbed while if an israeli were to do the same in nabulus he would be lynched.