Thread 24705767

>>24705767 (OP)
Kind of sad how the hardboiled detective genre has falled off, it's my favorite kind of fiction ever but people who imitate Chandler miss the point and create tasteless boring slop. Even Ellroy pointed this out. Disco Elysium was a videogame, and despite the dogshit story, it was a step in the right direction, combing the genre with the dying earth genre and involving metaphysics along with personal self realization. There's a lot to do with this genre, specially in the modern day.

>>24705767 (OP)
I would have rather finished the last one. I was (one of?) the "other anon" who was doing multiple posts having a ball with OP. I was participating wondering if every post could be written into a small chapter.

>>24705805
Detective fiction is a genre for leftist fags

>>24705805
Did you like Disco Elysium? I found it extremely hard to take it seriously and immerse myself into it, when, never mind that the characters where jovial and impish, but the voices in your head kept throwing quirks your way. I don't mind humiliation or being made fun of, but it was attempting to be funny too often for me, and not in a way that made me laugh. Rather, it mimicked the Marvel movies style of humor which not only is exasperating, but doesn't fit with the tone of the world.

>>24705838
I don't think any "leftist" would like what Chandler and Hammett wrote. It's "sexist" and "toxic" or whatever buzzword they assign to it by definition because they like emasculated faggot fiction.
>>24705846
>Did you like Disco Elysium?
No, i didn't even play it, i took a look and despite the attractive aesthetic and premise, the story, as i said, it's dogshit, and the prose it's awful to booth. But i like the idea of blending the detective stories with the supernatural and higher truths in a devastated world. It's also an useful concept to push forward humanity and increase the quality of modern fiction. There's a lot material to get from this iron age we live in currently.

I was the man who stained the picture

>>24705805
Red Harvest was adapted into Yojimbo which was turn adapted into a Fistful of Dollars

The genre just morphed with the times as action morphed from westerns to spies and cops and gangsters

Hardboiled on repeat is impossible to do anymore or it looks like parody. Fletch and The Big Lebowski are the best post pulp takes on Chandler

https://youtu.be/6jo1TAgEHJU

>>24705883
Hammett literally went to prison for being a communist. His fiction isn’t racist or sexist but definitely his characters are very much because they’re all in law enforcement or crime in the 1930’s

>>24705883
You might like Pentiment, which is a detective game set during the Reformation and instead of choosing if you’re communist or fascist, you have to choose if you side with the Church or the Reformers

>>24705894
>Hardboiled on repeat is impossible to do anymore or it looks like parody.
That's why i would blend the "dying earth" approach to it, because that's where we heading now in reality anyway. Hardboiled stories are, after all, a romantization of reality, and their characters a symbol of truth. Although, the truth wont find reconciliation with lesser mediums like movies, you have to understand it to write it by yourself, just like chandler did.

>>24705901
Leftism nowadays is not associated with ideological thoughts anymore, but to a set of behaviour and conducts. I don't know how to put it more politely man, but they are cattle, they don't see things in terms of ideas, if not "will people be alright with me liking this stuff?". That's the kind of people i was referring to, they are not the target audience for this kind of fiction, and that's why it died off.

>>24705904
Hardboiled came out of the post WWI cynicism, it is the opposite of romanticism and intended to be unsentimental and morally ambiguous or even nihilistic. Marlowe was a sort of unconventional knight, that was the inspiration for his name, but most hardboiled characters like the detective with no name are almost completely amoral and only personal ethical sensibilities that even many criminals would have

>>24705910
They’re no more cattle than the right which likes retarded fiction that glorifies U.S. Marines

>>24705902
aesthetics are important in art, anon

>>24705928
NTA but cattle behaviour isn't about liking a particular thing. It's getting offended by a bad thing in a work of fiction thinking it's condoning you retarded faggot

>>24705928
They are also cattle, and have a similar thought process ("Will these people i don't like be MAD if i like this stuff?"). Pity politics all around. In order to be truly human, you have to be your own individual first, but alas, only you can determine that. If a nuclear warfare broke out and every country cease to exists, so does any party. Politics were a waste of time all along.

>>24705937
The game’s visuals are based on manuscript illumination and meant to imitate medieval art

>>24705955
So how do right wingers feel about Brokeback Mountain?

>>24705969
Idk? They are probably reacting like you guys too. I'm not a c*nservative

I find that I become more sentimental about the smaller things I once took for granted. I feel like a grandmother who knows she doesn’t have time left and spends her savings to buy a nifty camera.

>>24705992
Why do you assume I’m anything just because I see both right-wingers as cattle as much as left-wingers?

>>24705925
>but most hardboiled characters like the detective with no name are almost completely amoral and only personal ethical sensibilities that even many criminals would have
You're fumbling for the word that applies. Its called "noir". I used to confuse first person hard-boil and noir until recently I had to look it up.

>>24706007
>I-I totally wasn't offended I swear
Kek, yeah sure buddy

>>24705966
I'm sure you'll agree that they fail to recreate that and instead look like 00s cartoon network with peculiar shading

Walking around Murray's scrapyard I was grateful I'd packed light. The beam on 6D battery Maglite® illuminated lit up the rusting steel faster than a homeless man lights up a crackpipe

>>24705767 (OP)
>the man who shattered it
>the man
Mangina psychology in a nutshell. No matter what happens to a woman, it's always a man's fault somehow. I guess women are just giant children that are never responsible for their actions and need to be constantly babysat to avoid fucking up their own lives.

>>24706011
Noir is from film noir, I’m talking about crime stories from he 20’s and 30’s. Hardboiled is a term that came out of literary criticism, noir came out of French film criticism.

>>24706020
The issue isn’t that they fail to recreate it, it’s that Medieval art just doesn’t look that good and is mostly memorable for its whimsical and goofy scenes and unintentionally funny scenes like a guy getting stabbed or beheaded and looking smug or bored

>>24706011
>>24706051
“Hardboiled” btw obviously referred to people who were unsentimental and uncaring. It’s even used as an adjective in Ace in the Hole to describe a journalist who deliberately ensures a man is trapped to make money of the story even if it kills the guy; he is called “hardboiled” for that, so it meant ruthless, cynical and unfeeling

>>24705894
>Hardboiled on repeat is impossible to do anymore or it looks like parody. Fletch and The Big Lebowski are the best post pulp takes on Chandler
>
hard-boil and noir are actually separate genres though usually lumped together casually. When you take hard-boil and noir and create the modern equivalent of it its still a viable formula. You actually see it more than you realize because they blend it with other genres now.

>>24705838
You sound so braindead. Like you have 0 understanding of anything and are just running on direction-brain nonsense

>>24705838
What do you read?

>>24706051
>Noir is from film noir, I’m talking about crime stories from he 20’s and 30’s. Hardboiled is a term that came out of literary criticism, noir came out of French film criticism.
>
the word noir might have and certainly did come from film critics. But the fact remains that "noir" became a label tag for certain writing. Noir, hard-boil, first person, gumshoe... all kind of became their own genre for a time. Noir proper came out of the american depression. The prohibition crime wave. A major feature is the moral ambiguity of the MC but other conventions exist to pick from.

>>24706060
violence and sex are practically compulsory in hardboil as well as noir.

>>24706105
Noir came out of German expressionist cinema in terms of influence. Whereas conventional film emphasized making use of lighting, German interwar cinema emphasized making use of darkness and shadow. Film noir, black film, refers to American cinema this technique influenced. Film noir mess very influenced by hardboiled fiction but you can see its clear predecessor in films like M. There was a natural overlap since moral ambiguity and pessimism were felt by both Germany and America after WWI which seemed to be senseless killing and destruction without any real morality to it and totally undermining humanist expectation of progress toward world peace

https://youtu.be/nsVproWjN6c

https://youtu.be/K-GQCb1nMGY

https://youtu.be/htxvLcSnOU0

>>24706039
What's this mental illness

>>24706109
Yes although in hardboiled they are nearly are transactional, meaningless, unsentimental and not glamorous.

>>24706039
*tips fedora*
I’ve known a lot of heels in my time. A lot of bad eggs and a lot of bad seeds. But I never thought I would meet a genuine gentleman

>>24705805
>I like detective fiction
>Detective fiction sucks when it tries to be detective fiction
Make up your mind, loser.