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Anonymous No.24711012 [Report] >>24711059 >>24711526 >>24711533 >>24711910 >>24711940 >>24713475 >>24714002 >>24715955
Is it good for writing good stories?
Anonymous No.24711059 [Report] >>24711469
>>24711012 (OP)
It's good for writing generic stories.
>but muh star wars
Wasn't good because of the script, the script was just serviceable.
Anonymous No.24711469 [Report] >>24711998 >>24712024 >>24714285 >>24714318
>>24711059
How do you write a good story then?
Anonymous No.24711526 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
looks complicated
Anonymous No.24711533 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
What the fuck do any of those words mean?
Anonymous No.24711910 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
what stage are you at bros?

i think im about to cross the first threshold now
Anonymous No.24711940 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
No because it's not recursive and can't descend to the level of syntax. Pick a short (short) story from somebody talented and run Greima's narrative framework on it, annotating each phrase, objective 100% coverage. The value doesn't really reside in the story's structure, but in its minimality. It can help you understand what makes great writing great.
Anonymous No.24711998 [Report] >>24713470
>>24711469
By following your heart.
Anonymous No.24712024 [Report] >>24713471
>>24711469
You write a bad story, cut out the bits that repel or depress you, contemplate the bits that surprise and delight you, expand it into a longer, deeper story, and repeat.
Anonymous No.24713470 [Report]
>>24711998
What if my heart wants to follow the hero's journey?
Anonymous No.24713471 [Report] >>24713496
>>24712024
>cut out the bits that repel or depress you
Leave in*
Anonymous No.24713475 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
If you can bury it deep enough it will work well.
Anonymous No.24713496 [Report] >>24713603
>>24713471
And develop them, allow them to consume everything else then spend the next week drinking coffee and hiding from your bed. First draft is now complete, second draft you flesh it all out by drinking alot and trying to figure out why it caused you to spend a week hiding from your bed. Third draft is where it gets difficult, alcohol withdrawal is a poor substitute for sobriety and even a worse substitute for shitfaced when you are faced with the truth but you are also faced with tying those two threads together, the truth and reality, which is weirdly a great distraction from both, so you pour yourself into it; you rewrite and revise, you broaden and put it into terms anyone can understand, you make people hid from there beds. It is ready to send to your agent and your editor; your agent tells you that the chapter about the bed is great, everyone has a bed, it is really relatable, you should build on that: your editor tells you that the bed was really you all along and that you comma usage is inconsistent and hands you a 38 page summary detailing it, 32 pages being a list of every single comma color coded (in cmyk) in some indecipherable code. But you are sober and sleeping well, and after the past year, this is nothing, you got this, you are ready for the fight.
Anonymous No.24713603 [Report]
>>24713496
wow i sure am glad i will never read a novel by this pseud right here
Anonymous No.24714002 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
Looks like a waste of time.
Anonymous No.24714235 [Report]
So it's like how a skeleton of a story should be.
If it good or bad depends on what you build up on that skeleton.
Anonymous No.24714281 [Report]
george lucas studied campbell because he wanted star wars to feel like mythology (the hero with a thousand faces being a work of comparative mythology (which is notably an old and disabused field)). If you want your story to feel like a myth, you should study campbell too (not the regurgitations of modern hacks who peddle the hero's journey nonsense). If you aren't specifically going for that feeling, look elsewhere. PKD used esoteric chinese fortune telling techniques to build the plot for the Man in the High Castle.
The real lesson is to recognize that ephemeral qualities emerge naturally from structure, and it's worthwhile to study and experiment unique stories in the effort to capture their ephemera.
Anonymous No.24714285 [Report]
>>24711469
intuition
Anonymous No.24714318 [Report] >>24715843
>>24711469
Non-meme answer?
In the modern world, writing is essentially
>Pick a story from the 1900s
>Make the character a bad guy instead of a good guy
>Pussy out in the end and make them actually have a heart of gold since mouth breathers need everyone to always be DA GOOD GUY
>Sell 1 trillion books

This is what sells in today's world
Anonymous No.24715843 [Report]
>>24714318
Name some examples
Anonymous No.24715955 [Report]
>>24711012 (OP)
You don't need all this shit. Just find your character(s) main desire, and then give resistance to that desire (conflict), repeatedly. Stories are just desire/resistance roller-coasters.