Thread 24713529

Why strive at all, since striving itself is suffering?

>>24713529 (OP)
Wer immer strebend sich bemüht,
Den können wir erlösen.

>>24713549
Wer immer strebend sich bemüht,
Den kann nur das Leiden lehren.

>>24713529 (OP)
learn the true meaning of the word passion

>>24713529 (OP)
It's not the striving that brings suffering. It's unmet expectations of the results of striving.

>>24713529 (OP)
They should use pic related painting on the cover. Because Schopenhauer wrote that when he was in his late 20.

>>24713529 (OP)
>m-muh metaphysics
>m-muh purpose?

Go find something to think about.

>m-muh n-no eternal truth?

No. Everything changes and you will die.

>b-but no I mean m-muh purpose

You sort yourself out or you die. Whichever comes first.

>n-nuh metanuh

Done always been.

>n-no b-but muh gontological being

Done always been and always will be becoming. The will is literally just made up shit for you to think about before dying.

>m-muh why read it at all?

For you there is no reason or purpose. You'll get filtered by his main works just stick to his essays.

it's the economics of it. if you think the result of pursuit is worth more than the pain endured you pursue things. of course when you start to calculate probabilities and realize it's a losing bet for 99% of the people 99% time you realize not making any move would be the rational move. but then again people are not rational, they are not even themselves but moved around by impulses that control them (will).

this book fucking explains everything when you think about it really.

>>24713529 (OP)
If striving is suffering just stop striving and lead a monastic ascetic life instead

>>24713939
if you think the life of a monastic isnt striving, then you are wholly naive to your core

>>24713529 (OP)
hobby maxxing is my way of coping with life

watch as many movies as possible
play as many video games as possible
collect videos of girls and wank as much as possible
read as many books as possible

living itself is striving

you can't live and not strive

>>24714243
having a purposeful activity does not eliminate boredom. you can be bored to death at work. not even office work just working on something that you must work on to satisfy your practical needs can be boring as hell.

not to mention you don't need to jump to anything else from videogames. there was a time when people made videogames that are good, in those days you got a big title every few months and it was enough to keep you entertained. you didn't need to have anything else, just play games until death. well that was my plan at least, until the demise of gaming industry.

>>24714243
work is gay. ted kaczinski himself didn't practice what preached. he lived in a shed in the woods and supported himself by getting money from his parents
he didn't work
he lived his own lifestyle and wasn't happy. he was so unhappy that he felt the need to kill people

i am not gonna take advice from an idiot who couldn't live without killing people

>>24714290
>well that was my plan at least, until the demise of gaming industry.

i am petty sure there are thousands of retro games you haven't played
stop pretending you have played them all. even if you have play them again.

>>24713529 (OP)
>Why strive at all, since striving itself is suffering?
Literal answer: Inclination. Some people are genetically predisposed to striving. I see free will as essentially "struggling in chains" for that reason. Enjoy life's happy hours, if you can.

>>24713717
So have realistic expections. Wow did I just achieve nirbana

>>24714311
yeah I'm not gonna sit around playing nes games like faggot. it was impressive when I was a child, now it isn't. things get old. especially surface level entertainment like videogames.

i am almost 40 and i have never been bored since getting a laptop in the early 2000s
There are hundreds of things you can do with a laptop
collect girls for wanking( i spend hours doing this)
collect roms and emulators for gaming
soft-mod a ps2(freemcboot) and dreamcast(gdemu) and try to beat every single game
archiving data
creating AI images
learning languages
reading as many books as possible

>>24714336
play ps2 games
and dreamcast games

nes is too old. many of games are too hard to be fun

>>24714339
many nes games are too hard to be fun*

>>24713529 (OP)
The will to live demands it.

>>24714337
>creating AI images
it's fun for a few days. how can you do it continuously?

>>24714339
I am glad we're on the same page. I know ps2 has some great titles. maybe I'll get one myself and play it, because I really don't like emulators.

>>24714352
i would recommend freemcboot
it allows you play oms from a hdd

the games are super expensive. i wouldn't recommend a ps2 if you are going to buy the games

>>24713529 (OP)
Because you don't get a choice anon. Schopenhauer basically says we're meat puppets for this blind hungry force called the Will, it's the core of existence and it is suffering. You strive because that's literally what you are, a bundle of endless pointless desires chasing scraps of satisfaction that vanish as soon as you catch them only to leave you with boredom gnawing at your skull. Life just swings between pain and emptiness, and even the "good bits" are illusions that reset the cycle. The only real outs are temporary distractions (like art, music, losing yourself in beauty) or the nuclear option: killing the Will itself, ascetic-style, which Schopenhauer calls salvation. Suicide doesn't cut it because that's just ragequitting the game while still affirming your subscription to it. So yeah, you strive because you're cursed to until maybe you figure out how to stop playing altogether.

>>24714358
aren't you just describing jailbreaking the ps2? I don't see why the game costs would be an issue.

>>24714337
don't you get lonely? don't you want a wife, kids and grandchildren one day?

>>24714373
naw, freemcboot is a softmod. it doesn't modify the ps2. it's stored on a memory card. you can buy a memory card with freemcboot already on it for very cheap
it brings up Open ps2 loader so you can run ps2 roms from a hdd.
it also allows you to create virtual memory cards so you don't have to buy memory cards

i would recommend a fat ps2 not a slim one if you are going to take the freemcboot route. a slim one doesn't have a hdd bay

>>24714382
>do you get lonely?
no
this could be because i delude myself into thinking that i'll eventually have a gf in the future

i have no interest in having kids because it makes life more complicated.

>>24713529 (OP)
Because my existence is a rebellion

>>24713717
Well said

>>24714382
I like when people talk about these things as if you buy a family like you buy a car. you're a callous automaton pretending to be a human.

>>24714243
Im going to also go hobby max so I don't go crazy and blow myself up like this chump lol

people will say that hobby maxxing doesn't work. what other alternative is there? getting a wife and having kids? that doesn't work either
how did that work for steven crowder? his wife divorced him

>>24713529 (OP)
Striving is one thing, strife quite anther: Nature on the whole isn't a pleasure garden, but neither is it a war with us. In any case I don't take inclement or merely inconvenient weather personally, pleasant and useful as it is to be prepared for it. I suppose this is the way Montaigne and Goethe were most alike, with the latter being more inclined to the imagination.

>>24714298
>>24714290
What uncle ted means by work is obviously not your 9/5 job you fucking retards. Do you think a guy like that would seriously praise wageslaving?

>>24714615
I knew the npc response beforehand thus I included "not even office work" but it still wasn't enough to prevent the retardation coming my way. your type is just beyond help only thing that can be done is not interacting.

>>24713529 (OP)
I head Bernardo ketchup thinks people don’t understand and misread schlopenhauer, should I pirate ketchups book on schlop?

SchopGods? New thread where we defend Schop from accusations of stupidity?

>>24713529 (OP)
Why indeed.

We will destroy you. Into the mines, all of you. Fichte said that only men trained in the Wissenschaftslehre could serve in the government of the new Fichtestaat - Socialism with Autistic Characteristics. The Kantanon and I will have plumb bureaucratic posts. You, on the other hand…

There is time to turn around. Read his Introductions on wikisource as an introduction.

>>24714667
>hey kiddo go ahead and read my books about why reading makes you a midwit

If that's true then won't reading them make me a midwit?

>oh no of course not, you see I'm the smartest person in history. I can only tell you that it's all in your head, there's a sufficient reason for everything, shut up in public, and don't forget the Greeks and Kant.

So you're telling me I need to read more just to be a midwit like you?

>you sound like my fucking mother. Hey kid, you want a paradox?

If you're so smart and don't want me to be a midwit then what's your philosophy about?

>life fucking sucks and you have to think your way out but you can't so you just find something else to think about.

So, you're a charlatan?

>no of course not, you sound like that bitch I tossed down the stairs. Everyone else is the charlatan.

>>24714845
kek bros...why is Schopenhauer so easy to make seem stupid...

>>24714854
Because he was retroactively refuted by Fichte. Into the mines with them.

>>24714859
Do I actually have to read Fichte or is this a meme?

>>24714854
Tbf his philosophy is good, his mouth made that easy though. Schopenhauer's particular brand of scepticism combined with his odd make the human condition metaphysics approach allows for high levels of introspection and provides a high standard for epistemology. This is a really good approach that keeps him out of a number of postmodern dilemmas while still keeping a venue for scientific discourse open. If you like paradoxes and don't mind spending time with a philosopher he is a good choice, but don't forget his scepticism was designed with a purpose, you may have a truth or 2 but the rules about speaking it apply to schopes too.

>>24714871
you actually have to read him

>>24714983
nobody's going to read it

>>24714854
not nearly sophistic enough to come off as intelligent to pseuds