Thread 24713969

what the fuck happened to commies, accelerationist trannies, gnostic schizos, failed poets, waah waah pessimists, cultural theory arm chairs fags, incels, chuddhists/vedanta jeets, christcucks, nazioids, basedence/woo-woofags?

i dunno lads somethings is fucking missing. i use to see eternal marx, incel literature, pessimist and christcuck threads. what the fuck happened to them? they made this place more fun.

>>24713969 (OP)
Every board is down in population, the hack convinced people to leave permanently, and there's a noticeable uptick in bots and AI posts. That's just how it be.

>>24713969 (OP)
i wonder how many anons took their schticks to elon twitter where you can write the same shit but get paid.

>>24713969 (OP)
/lit/ culture stays more or less the same, the topics shift with the years.
>I used to see eternal marx, incel lit, pessimist, and christcuck threads
When I first started posting here (like 2012?) the topics were the meme trilogy, Harold Bloom memes and quotes, David Benatar, Tao Lin and alt-lit, with some marx and christcuck threads thrown in. Five or six years ago /lit/ wouldn't shut the fuck up about Girard.

>>24713981
>call it "symposium"
>no shota board

stop sliding the board with frog threads and chatgpt first year philosophy and maybe you'll see

>>24713975
>Every board is down in population,
we are literally at 2010 levels of users. Its incredible how this site has died.

>>24713993
the web is unironically dying. From now on only Instagram and Twitter and Amazon (all apps) remain.

>>24713975
>>24713993
where's good, reliable 4chan user data? are you guys guessing or is there some janny page that shows usage rates

>>24713984
>Five or six years ago /lit/ wouldn't shut the fuck up about Girard.
And accelerationism and Ernest Becker

>>24714006
4stats dot io

Clearly everyone moved on with their lives graduated, got a job, started a family and just got so engaged in life they stopped caring about this place. Soon, before you know it, it will happen to all of you too!

Good

>>24713969 (OP)
no effort posts anymore, plus the faggy /lit/ magazine attempts all drained the board and people migrated with them to discords to jack each other off

>>24713981
Lol, can't post anything, every attempt is met with a "Status: Error!" on two separate browsers.

>>24713975
Everything gets shittier and shittier. I can't wait for the 2030s. The world will be a gray blob.

>>24713969 (OP)
Literature is dead, and board usage is dead.

>>24714032
did you forget to get an access code?

>>24714051
Unfortunately this

everyone is jerking off or being performative on social media

>>24714076
Turns out I was being stupid with my cookie autodeletion plugin and forgot to exempt the site.

I’m still here, but I’m dead on the inside. I have nothing to say, and when I think I do, I can’t find the words I’m looking for. Now I’m mostly just browsing.

>>24713969 (OP)
kys

>>24713969 (OP)
Ok?? What do you want me to do about it?

>>24713993
>>24713993
>>24713997
>>24714023
>>24714046
Pessimists face wall. This is actually a good thing.

>>24714109
I browse /lit/ for these brutally honest posts

I think lit is like 50% indian now lol

>>24713969 (OP)
>the worst posters ever are no longer shitting up the board
I would say this is a bad thing but sadly all that is left is people that are more normie like, with a few rightist schizos like me.

>>24714109
Same. I have become a lurker because there is rarely any discussion worth participating in. I've seen it all before and nothing really happens.

>>24713969 (OP)
It was never alive. The board was created way too late so it never got to create a culture.

>>24714199
/lit/ sticky says otherwise

>>24714213
Stickies were a mistake from that like 5 month period moot paid attention to the site before he sold it,

>>24714137
>rightist schizo
No need to repeat yourself, it's redundant

>>24714109
>>24714140
>haha yeah
>haha yeah /lit/ sucks haha yeah
>haha yeah there's nothing good haha yeah
>haha yeah I don't have anything to say haha yeah
>haha yeah I don't contribute anything haha yeah
>haha yeah I just whine haha yeah
>haha yeah it's all bad though haha yeah
Rope immediately

>>24714239
The words just aren’t there, man. I keep trying to find them, but they’re gone. Every sentence I try to put together sounds awkward at best. There’s nothing I can say anymore.

DIE FROG DIE

>>24713975
Every board is filled with sophistic propagandizing kike shills. They're strangling it to death on purpose

>>24714256
rude...

>>24713969 (OP)
Besides the occasional rubbernecking, why would I spend any time or effort talking to jewish shills and retards when there are far superior Chans which rangeban Israel and have much more intelligent discussions.

>>24714415
/lit/ remains king

>>24714013
Except for the 20% that roped

>>24714234
You're just afraid of stepping out of your comfort zone.

>>24714415
Such as?

I just use archives by searching the book I want to see a discussion on.

>>24714076
I have it, but where do I enter it?

>>24714481
Anon... there is a "Login" button on the top right

>>24714490
Thanks.I thought it would autoprompt you when you clicked on a board and thread.

>>24714461
but i don't just want to read discussions. i want to smoke fools with my facts and logic.

>>24714506
smoke me right now then nigga

>>24714137
remember to take your meds today

>>24714308
Why doe

>>24714556
Don’t need meds when I’m the janitor in an insane asylum

>>24713969 (OP)
tf are you talking about? it's exactly like it's always been newfag

>>24714878
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_blindness

>>24714907
psychology is fake and gae

>>24714911
>"Doesn't look like anything to me"

>>24713969 (OP)
An intense political environment has made people incurious. Philosophies are now being adopted downstream of political positions rather than the other way around. This carries a risk in exploring different philosophical movements because it might inadvertently cause a compromise on politics which have become more fundamental in some way.
It's not specifically 4chan that's at fault, the entire internet is now like this.

>>24713981
>403 Forbidden

>>24715015
India and China are rangebanned

>>24715618
Korea and Israel too

>>24713969 (OP)
I guess I'd still consider this my homeboard, but with how slow it's gotten and the overwhelming spam of Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky threads by newfag broccoli heads, I mostly shizopost on /x/ now. A lot of philosophy already reaches eerie and schizo conclusions (at least by the standards of naive realism), so I often find better conversation there than among the /pol/ migrants and pop-existentialists that infest this board.

the other day, /g/ caught a bunch of bots. across multiple boards you could see almost the exact same posts, completely irrelevant to whatever thread they were posted in. only a couple of words were changed, but even the formatting was exactly the same.

hiro did a really good job, he made the site so bad people left forever. which is exactly what the japanese posters warned us about.

>>24716013
>the other day, /g/ caught a bunch of bots.
Holy shit. Link to the thread?

>>24713969 (OP)
People stopped reading?

>>24713981
I had an access code but deleted it after attempting to deinternet myself. Oh well

>>24713969 (OP)
Cycles of decay and rebirth. A harsh winter will let the young buds in the spring grow strong, and when summer comes, their fruit will be enjoyed by all. Sometimes a pruning is necessary, there is no better or worse, just what there is and over time it will improve if you apply yourself consistently.

I haven't been here in a while and I couldn't help but notice Tao Lin's disturbing absence from the catalog

>>24713969 (OP)
generational change (zoomers reading less and also with shitty taste)
and also political and AI slop
btw incel and pessimist literature isn't bad

>>24716048
I can give you another if you want

>>24716157
Sales pitch me.

>>24716157
I'm tempted, but I am trying to decrease screen-time/internet usage, and joining more communities will not help me accomplish that. Thanks for the effort, but I must decline.

>>24716168
text board, so no images to distract you. The purpose of the site is to discuss the humanities. Invite-only to prevent brigading, trolling, and bots. No captchas!

>>24716288
Hmmm. On one hand, I'm a master of many boards, and I have two humanities degrees. On the other, it seems like a very small community and my two-ish decades of instant gratification may not translate well given the size and scope. Like why wont this be another Chan that dies in 6 months? I wish you well, but I must ponder.

>>24715015
>>24715618
>>24715665
I am also 403 Forbidden, is the United Kingdom also rangebanned?

>>24716310
My hope is that as the web becomes ever more enshittified and an ocean of bots and chaos, byzantinus.net will be a rather serene refuge of order where people can discuss the humanities, local cultures, traditions, etc, in peace. It being invite-only makes it more resistant to the degeneration of open spaces, because it prevents drive-by trolling and low-effort-posting, since one could lose their login code or be banned for inviting many trolls. I do not tolerate offtopic or low effort post, you have 4chan for that.

I know that the conditions do not make it conductive for very casual light discussion, and that will hurt adoption, but I think it is a worthy tradeoff.

Hosting and dns are cheap so I can run it for years.

>>24716331
the UK is not rangebanned, it may be a bug. I will look into it.

>>24716337
I tried with VPN set to the USA and still got the same error.

>>24715665
based. I will now sign up for your website.
One moment. How about Canada? I hope you excluded them too.

>>24713969 (OP)
Nothing happened to any of those types of people they are all here and I see their posts, argue with them, have discussions with people that can be categorised as any of the above on a daily basis; they are just here in fewer numbers.

>>24716360
Try using a vpn with a european or asian ip (except china/india/korea). I will look into the ip-to-country lookup database bug later.

>>24716361
see >>24716367

>>24716367
No luck with either, just same old 403 forbidden.

>>24716445
you are acceassing using https, right? http doesn't work.

>>24713969 (OP)
tranny jannies delete everything they disagree with

>>24716335
So, I was able to post in a thread, but threads themselves are impossible to start. Status: Error! whenever I try to make a thread on /kino/, been that way for a couple days, now.

>>24713969 (OP)
I didn't read your rambling because you're a frogposter, and as a rule of thumb, you niggers never have nothing of value to say never, but here's this
>/lit/ is dying
If i have to take a guess, that's because reading has become a somewhat fringe hobbie or endevour. People who actually have devotion to reading what they like just don't waste time with pseuds discussing "philosophy", "religion" or "self help" or whatever late grifting come across except for the occasional knee jerk reaction to shit and sage on it. As a result, bots, fags and glowies alike ignore this board almost completely, and shills are at minimum as well. The rest of the boards are active because lesser mediums get more attention, but it's mostly because of the current state of affairs in the world and their impact of them; novels doesn't get this much traction because the attention it's no longer there, it's in the visual, more retard friendly stuff. I would say that the only bastion on the web for the truly dedicated to reading and writing at this point is pic related. Everything else sucks.

>>24716450
kek, that was it. Incredibly stupid of me. Thanks for your help.

>>24716450
>>24716509
Can I get a code?

>>24713969 (OP)
>/lit/ is dying
/lit/ has been dead since the 2017 Jordan Peterson newfag deluge, it has been nothing but a gay simulacrum of what it once was since then.

>>24714118
Jewish

>>24713969 (OP)
the nature of the board means it will never be popular, besides Philosophy/classics the range of material is too wide, and reading is too time consuming, to ever have the robust kind of dialogue that more easily consumable media like MU and TV brings. People will post an interesting book and even reading a solid 1-2 hours hours per day, and my current list means I'd get to it 6 months later.

People in general are just reading less

>>24716048
Go back to deinterneting. This is a recommendation as a fellow human being

>>24716514
8DD1F216DBE828DD0FBD29EFD8E6EC4A

>>24716469
I just fixed some database tables, try now. All boards should be working.

>>24716485
Could not agree more
Words and shit... nerd-coded

cant speak for others but i advanced in my /lit/ knowledge to the point i can't have conversations with other people here because no one else knows as much as me about my topics

>>24713969 (OP)
I can only guess moderation is on overdrive due to 4chan being in the lawsuit against the UK.
There used to be a Dragonball thread on /a/ 24/7 with schizos and shitposters but now it's a wasteland, anyone tries posting and half the thread is deleted posts.

People are either banned or driven away.

>>24716582
Yah, I have to keep the project up. It is better that way. I know the librarians are tired of my small talk, but sacrifices have to be made.

r/TheDeprogram got banned, so more communist shitposting should be incoming i assume

>>24716738
Is reddit being purged after the Kirk shooting?

>>24716758
Somewhat, it's odd that they will go after communist subs but not liberal subs celebrating the same thing

>>24716769
Probably a 'keeping up appearances' thing

>Daily active user count still in the mid-two hundred thousands like it's been every day for fucking forever
You guys are just dumb. Only thing that's changed since the hack is the jannies/mods have become just that much more paranoid/despotic. The day-to-day site-wide population is the same.

>>24714461
Basically this if warosu goes away then /lit/ is effectively dead to me outside of shitposting about schop and nietzsche

>>24713986
this

>>24716592
You can't even capitalize your sentences, Pajeet.

>>24713969 (OP)
hard disagree

>>24716599
Excessive moderation has been in ridiculous overdrive since Covid, which is when the real decline of 4chan (in posting numbers) started to happen. You can see that in the stats from the archives.
The fundamental appeal of 4chan is not anonymity, but more specifically low commitment to post, of which anonymity is but one aspect.
When people are constantly in a state of paranoia regarding if they'll get banned or not, posting becomes a drag.

>>24713975
/thread

>>24718484
I never saw a good thread get banned.

>>24713975
>>24713993
>durrrrr moar users = better
Fuck off with this nonsense. 4chan was a millions times better when it was a tight knit community of enthusiastic needs talking amongst themselves. Fuck normies im glad they're leaving. You were never really one of us if you arent here forever

>>24718484
Mods are annoying but every board discussing the latest news from American politics is a thousand times worse.

>>24720370
That's because they stopped the USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST 10 years ago. Now they move your thread to /bant/ where fucking nobody hangs out, or they just delete the entire thread and ban everyone in it. Zero accountability from moderators and jannies.

Because if they actually still did the whole USER WAS BANNED out in the open, like they used to, everyone would be up in arms over how gay the mods are.

This place sucks and i only come here when my life sucks. Most 4chibs posters are awful people who i wouldnt want to spend ti.e with in real life

>>24713969 (OP)
>>24716485
Religion and Philosophy needs their own boards.
Self Help dogshit needs his own general.
Frogposting and similar need to be banned on sight.
And maybe some other details im missing. But i think we're already past the point of no returns.
The vast majority of the catalog is to the brim of spam, low effort posts, blogposting, shitposting and shilling in radioactive levels, that kick out of the place any decent, honest thread of some poor goober that wanted to use the place for its intended purpose. There's almost never actual literary works discussions, and every time there is, is derailed by the very same schizos that commit the offenses mentioned above and keep shitting up the board. This is not a /lit/ exclusive trait, because 4chan as a whole as become unusable. There is no place for book discussion anymore, so people either gave up on it, or lurk here sometimes once in a green moon to see if there's some thread of worth among what interest you, which is almost never. Every other imageboard site it's a phantom zone, and every single forum its useless trash, so the illusion of activity it's maintained by some few suckers that expect that this godforsaken place may have hope of fixing itself trough some process of osmosis, but deep down we all know that's not happening, and its time to move on. This is the start of the dark ages of the internet where every single place become unusable for real people, and we will have to start again creating enclaves with others alike while gatekeeping as much as possible, or keep going by our own. Rest in feces.
>>24720505
Also this. You people are horrible, boring, unlikable, miserable people, a bunch of pseuds retards, and you deserve to fall with /lit/ and 4chan as well.

>>24714415
Please fuck off from /lit/ permanently and never come back. We need less /pol/ garbage, not more.
>inb4 you're a jew/leftist/tranny etc
I've never voted in my life and couldn't care less about modern politics. I want to discuss literature, not the new chudcelchristcuck epic meme tweet or whatever garbage terminally online retards post these days.

>>24720467
Smaller population means less fresh blood in threads. The past week here has been German philosophy spam with over a dozen topics open at a time, likely from the same handful of anons, and not anywhere near enough replies to warrant so many threads.

>>24721005
>/pol/ has email verification now
>faggots now flood other boards with their garbage
That's why

>>24714454
Most people don't kill themselves, even on 4chan. The people who don't improve their lives usually either suffer in silence, cope or if they're crazy enough, get sectioned.

i knew several people who were good posters on 4chan years back, but it was just one site out of many they used, and they would usually find friends to add from these places. if you're someone who puts a high priority on anonymous posting, you're probably mentally ill in some way. even if you find topics popular on /lit/ interesting, the way this place covers them is shallow & always has been. you'd be infinitely better off making a friend who knows a lot about schopenhauer or perennial philosophy or whatever niche thing you care about. the only reason not to is mental illness. it makes a lot of sense that unwell people would cluster in anonymous spaces, maybe subconsciously they don't like what they've become even if they always blame other people for it.

>>24721317
>now
this mf spent last ten years in a coma

>>24713969 (OP)
>what the fuck happened to [various coordinated astroturf raids and botting]

The purse(s) finally apprehending that it's counterproductive and irrelevant outside of /pol/. And idée fixe autistes invariably burning out.

>>24715618
>India and China are rangebanned

Add Brazil and we might break the Eternal September Kali Yuga.

>>24716485
>Boomer College Debt Trap Cult meme expired

Higher proportions of new blood realizing none of it was for them on merit or otherwise, and they don't have the leisure to indulge intellectual curiosity under WW3 circumstances regardless.

>>24720370
Trash is never pruned.

>>24721005
Marxism threads could be intredasting if you half of the /pol/troon equation actually read as well.

>>24713969 (OP)
The UK and Australia were just hit with draconian internet censorship.
I doubt it would really effect anyone motivated enough to get to 4chan, but how many of those posters did we lose?

>>24721821
I'm an australian communist and I can post fine. I just don't shit post on /lit/ about current politics.

>>24721353
insecurity is one reason to post anonymously. but my main one is that it's harder to see your post history. there are no faggots going back 2 years to find some dumb shit you said back then to bring it up again now and then make a huge digression about it. I don't wanna have to deal with 20 different notifications before I make any post, but if I ignore them the faggots will follow me around to demand responses to their shit in other threads or under other comments. it's fucking annoying. I just wanna shit post, not get embroiled in literally years long personal feuds. now THAT shit is fucking mental illness, and what you see on places like reddit and traditional forums. 4chins posters are all mentally ill no doubt, but I think forum posters are probably worse. maybe reddit less so just because of all the normies there, but regular posters there sure aren't sane.

>>24721821
>Australia
They're really trying to censor sites like Facebook. Nobody even thinks about 4chan after they tried (and failed) to ban it 6 years ago.

>>24713969 (OP)
Everyone realized they are probably wrong about everything and deep down everyone just cares if they are happy so politics is devolving into nihilistically finding a coalition that serves you. There is no moral arguments to be made anymore; only negotiations can be made. What can you do for me? And a response.

>>24721881
Just block those guys. Never had that issue before tbqh, you must get into a lot of arguments

>>24714248
You just said it.

>>24722017
>you must get into a lot of arguments
well. yeah.

>>24713975
/lit/ had become shit and dead before the hack

>>24721353
Some of us still carry on the spirit of the early internet which was keep your identity to yourself and it's still a sound practice. You, of course, know about doxing and "cancelling" which weaponizes social media posts. I don't want some shitpost or an intentionally contrarian viewpoint taken out of context and misconstrued as my actual beliefs. And yes, the government does monitor social media.

>>24721353
there's no way i could post someplace with a permanent profile because i take wildly contradictory positions in different threads and sometimes even in parallel sub-conversations within one thread. it's not even "trolling" or whatever, it's just completely natural to me and if that's mental illness then i don't want to be sane.

>>24713981
Ironically a great idea. Thanks for doing something.

>>24721353
>>24723960
In some ways, Discord has done this and its through more hidden channels. Less of the internet is 'visible' through it. Same, I guess, with Telegram and other such channels. There have always been chatrooms, but I feel these semi-hidden places have proliferated. There are more 'rooms' but less 'corridors' to find them.

>>24713969 (OP)
we all moved to X (formerly Twitter). only reddit tourists visit 4channel now

>>24724024
same lel, my opinions change day by day, even minute by minute.
I actually think permanent accounts go a long way to explain the increasing polarisation you see in the world today, people are too stressed about being ideologically consistent and conforming to certain ideals, and when every post you make contributes to your own personal history there's a constant self-correction going on. There isn't a grounded, forthright discussion on a given topic at hand, opinions are informed by the greater narratives surrounding the issue.
Anonymous posting is so important for this because you can post the most retarded, awful ignorant shit and it'll be completely forgotten a day or two later, it's so important for growth and it allows teenage and young adult retards to easily escape the extremist traps often seen online and which they're so susceptible to.

>>24714140
>waaah waaaaaaah
god I hate the eternal boomer

>>24724048
>and when every post you make contributes to your own personal history there's a constant self-correction going on
it's like it forces you to think like a narcissist even if you aren't one. you can't just talk about X, you talk about yourself by way of X. managing your personal brand like you're running for office

>>24724077
>managing your personal brand like you're running for office
So true, there's a kind of internalising of politician-speak going on. I understand that public figures need to choose their words perfectly because they can easily be misconstrued and they need to conform to party or political considerations, that's just the nature of the game, but I don't like that your average person is taking that upon themselves too like it's the "right" way.

>>24724034
Would you mind elaborating on how Discord achieves anonymity? My assumption is that Discord has the infrastructure and means to track users. You obviously have a username so it seems it would be trivial.

>>24713993
Even lower, the posts tallied by 4stats include bot spam, and there's been much more in the 20s compared to the early 10s

>>24720467
>when it was a tight knit community of enthusiastic needs talking amongst themselves
Most of those nerds from 2010 are long fucking gone, it's also one of the main reasons why the userbase has dropped.

>>24724951
last time i looked at 4stats they didn't even have the historical charts anymore i assume because they were asked to not show how grim things are. sharty really did win i guess. damn.

>>24724954
Yeah, no clue exactly when the charts went down. It was only a couple months ago, though, I distinctly remember them being active even after the hack.

>>24720467
all the enthusiastic people left to reddit
this website is now full of retards that pretend to participate and just spout lingo to try and fit in, this board, /g/, and /out/ are excellent examples of that.
It's like that guy at a party that people barely know, he talks himself up at being a ladies man but the reality is he just goes home and masturbates to sleep everyday. There are very few old-cancer era fags left on this website

>>24725484
/his/ is another great example of people just pretending

>>24725484
>tfw 2012 cancer
>started lurking when I was a preteen pretending to be 18 to avoid bans
>now nearing my thirties
feels weird man

>>24725500
same actually
i rememeber spiderman reaction image threads on /b/

>>24725509
>encyclopedia dramatica
>people shitting on you for using the word "meme" unironically
>everyone hating on rage comics and 9gag
>candy asses
>no culture war insanity

>>24721353
>>24713969 (OP)
I used to post here a lot when I was unwell. Now i check this place once every 3 months.

>>24714013
I thought uni would do this yet here I am posting during a chemistry lecture
You lied to me, anon

>>24724951
>Most of those nerds from 2010 are long fucking gone

Fucking newfags finally got the fuck out.

>>24725719
>stemfag
Get off my board

>>24720646
Tldr.

>>24725729
It's good to be well-rounded in one's interests. There's a great gap between a stemlord and one who studies a science and still harbors love for the humanities. One beyond your single-minded denial of anything analytical.

People have been calling for the death of literature for decades yet it still returns. I think it is because reading provides a very unique psychological experience that other art forms do not.

>>24714013
kids are the last thing i want.
I grew up in a town with NOTHING
i now live by myself and want to do SOMETHING
which i have been