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>"Schopenhauer killed Fichte. I am just pissing on his grave."

- Nick Land

>>24715947 (OP)
What views are they opposing?

>>24715947 (OP)
>look how important I am, mentioning big names

>>24715974
>“Fichte is the father of the sham philosophy, of the disingenuous method which, through ambiguity in the use of words, incomprehensible language, and sophistry, seeks to deceive, and tries, moreover, to make a deep impression by assuming an air of importance — in a word, the philosophy which seeks to bamboozle and humbug those who desire to learn. After this method had been applied by Schelling, it reached its height, as every one knows, in Hegel, in whose hands it developed into pure charlatanism. But whoever even names this Fichte seriously along with Kant shows that he has not even a dim notion of what Kant is.”

-Schopenhauer

>>24715947 (OP)
caring about this guy in current year

>>24715947 (OP)
Yeah, let's consult WAWAR.

>part 1. I cannot refute Descartes.

You're off to a piss poor start.

>m-muh lemme finish. OK, muh can't refute Descartes but like in you you can make sense of it however you want and it all done be illusions and shit. You can just stay here bro. But like, when you make it to math it do done become dualism n sheet like it do be do frfr but like if you just never say nuffin it do be yours.

I don't remotely care how you make sense of things.

>o-ok bro but like Kant done did left me a good philosophy n sheet but like I done be turrified of dat external world yo so like we don need it n sheet.

Yeah, you're back at Descartes.

>nah bruh like it be a prior n sheet so like we don't have to explain something if we just do a calculation.

This is acceptable. Make one.

>awww sheet yo I dun don't do nuffin like dat, lemme take 400 more pages to explain i just wanna make sense of stuff alone.

There is nothing wrong with this. Good luck.

>>24716093
Fuck off troon

>>24716110
>plebbit spacing
didn't read, go back

>>24715947 (OP)
Kek, giga based Land.

>>24716093
>caring about this guy in current year
Yes, one of the biggest novelist of our time, Michel Houellebecq, is a Schopenhauerian and wrote a book on him.

>>24716093
>caring about this guy in current year
Yes, one of the biggest philosopher of our time, Nick Land, is a Schopenhauerian and said pic related about Schopenhauer.

>>24716117
>m-muh hold on, dat Fichter done reduced object to effect of subject. I wrote on essay on this, please read all muh material or else you won't make it kiddo.

I thought you said this was all illusions.

>m-m-muh no it means my illusion is always right.

Make the calculation and prove it.

>m-muh look here do frfr, like existence do be meaning just cuz it existence cuz.

I feel justified in telling people to read Descartes and stick to your essays.

>>24716179
Plebbit spacing, didn't rad, go back faggot

Oh. lmao, didnt expect somebody to make an entire thread out of this pic, but since rhey did ill just copy paste my response:

>>24715942
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>>24715945
Damn why didnt anybody tell me this Land guy was so based? Its actually very rare, for Nietzsche inspired/obsessed people, especially the ones who have a left leaning disposition, to care about let alone respect Schopenhauer, they never realize just how much Nietzsche ripped directly from him

Who knew that Schopenhauer was appreciated by any modern philosopher.

>>24716220
>Land
>left leaning disposition

>>24716185
>we dun don read nuffin!1

Also acceptable, get back to me when you have something.

>m-muh turditional gontology?

If you can get to the point.

>n-nuh I mean muh religion?

If you can get to the point.

>m-muh meany!1

Sometimes you guys surprise me. I know you schizos can summon Land here. I won't interfere, you guys will enjoy that more than the usual yeah?

>>24715947 (OP)
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>>24716234
>"Schopenhauer killed Fichte. I am just pissing on his grave."

- Nick Land

Cope harder redditor.

>>24716227
Am I wrong? I've only seen lefty tubers talk about and mention him, and accelerationism always seems to be mentioned in the context of left leaning circles

>thirsty for knowledge
>open /lit/
>read Schopenhauer killed Fichte with his Big fucking Dick
>close /lit/

>>24715947 (OP)
mfw you guys memed up this guy for years only for him to become a MAGAtard Zionist

>>24716251
Land is, without a doubt, the defining right wing thought leader of the 21st century, everything you're seeing now he spoke about 10+ years ago (read Xenosystems)
the left was briefly interested in him for aesthetic purposes and because they (again, briefly) were into accelerationism, the idea that there was ever a left wing period in his life is a complete fabrication, he has never at any point expressed a left wing opinion

>>24716281
He took a jab at far by saying that Nazi utopia in the plowing wheat field until to heat death of the universe, kek.

He is a futurist progressive nihilist. He doesn't really give a shit about politics, he takes up whatever serves to his personal philosophy. He just wants to see the end of humanity.

>>24716291
you can be right wing while also thinking nazis are retarded

>>24716294
As I have said that he doesn't give a damn about politics. He want to see the end of human. He hates left because they are altruistic humanists who want to save humanity.

>>24716303
he cares about politics he just isn't prescriptive, he doesn't "hate" humanity he just isn't interested in
NRx is an analytical framework more than an actual cohesive political belief system

>>24716303
>they are altruistic humanists who want to save humanity.
Funniest shit I've read all day

>>24716306
>he doesn't "hate" humanity he just isn't interested in
Lol what? "Space echoes like an immense tomb, yet the stars still burn."

>>24716311
Yes, far right just want to save their race and leftists extend their project to whole humanity. It is a post-christcuck religion.

>>24716329
>It is a post-christcuck religion.
agreed

>>24716236
>we done all be duh same metaphysically

It doesn't matter how you arrive at reddit.

>m-muh not what I meant by reddit

This is actually a good time to make this thread relevant to philosophy. Schopenhauer is frequently both maligned and praised by a fair number of his influences. This is something that seems to be consistent and it likely is due to him being unable to remove presuppositions. I happen to be a fan of Schope but I'll also be the first to admit that I'm a fan entirely due to his scepticism, his system is almost designed to ensure the adherent pursues interests outside philosophy for reasons like this.

>m-muh nuh meta nuh

You still need more time to make sense of stuff. There's nothing wrong with this. I still need more time too.

guy is so plebbit, I cant believe this is still the "forefrunt" of philosophy to so many people

>>24716353
>I happen to be a fan of Schope but I'll also be the first to admit that I'm a fan entirely due to his scepticism, his system is almost designed to ensure the adherent pursues interests outside philosophy for reasons like this.
This is why Borges liked him too. Schopenhauer was totally honest about his shortcomings.

>>24716358
>guy is so plebbit,
NO QUEEEN, he was a heckin woman hater, antisemitic and defended pederasty, ewww.

>>24716364
talking about the enlgish "We wuz the chozen peoples too!" meth addict.

>>24716353
>his system is almost designed to ensure the adherent pursues interests outside philosophy for reasons like this.
huh? what does this mean?

>>24716384
sneed

>>24716025
He’s describing Nick Land as well though

interestingly Land doesn't fancy German idealists.

>>24716137
Houellebecq is a scribbler of anecdotes, not a serious writer. Schopenhauer is cool though.

this one's a classic.

this one's a classic.

>>24716402
It's been a few years and eventually you will realize Descartes meditations is basically a cheat sheet. Iirc Schope basically agrees with Descartes on perception assembly and breakdown. He also agrees with Descartes that you ideate any concept you want whenever. He doesn't care if Descartes denies the external world but Schope doesn't have to first. He partially agrees with Kant on denial but he still reserves the right to do so. He doesn't make value judgements at the abstract level so he doesn't get into the complications Nietzsche found himself in going against Descartes. He goes further than Descartes on separation of spacetime and why this pulls the plug on matter. The result when it comes to his epistemic grounding is that you have 2 options and one results in contradiction which means you haven't made sense of it and the other is a feedback loop except Schope actively encouraged you to experiment. If you want to keep matter for Schope you can't remove spacetime at experiential level but you can always think of it abstracted. This basically creates a framework where Schope can use scientific and mathematical modeling on intuition alone and if he gets out of this then he loses matter and he can still keep going if he wants but he likely refuted himself. If he stays experiential then he can basically use whatever modeling he likes theoretically and it enjoy it abstracted or experiential after the fact.

>>24716551
>>24716545
>some no-name philosophaster whose name I only ever see on /lit/ doesn't like the idealists
Wow that really makes me rethink how I've been spending my time.

>>24716551
>>24716545
>some nobody philosophaster whose name I only ever see on /lit/ doesn't like the idealists
Wow that really makes me rethink how I've been spending my time.

>>24716545
>>24716551
Isnt that weird for a marxist to admit he is too dumb for Hegel?

>>24716608
do you really think you understand hegel better than him?

>>24715947 (OP)
>>24716025

Schopenhauer is an embarrassment to Philosophy in general and German Idealism in particular. Sounds exactly like a cocksucking Anglo complaining that he cannot understand Hegel et al. GRAMMATICALLY, mind you. No wonder he was into Buddhism.

>>24716565
Oh yeah, before I forget my own hypothesis I'll go ahead toss it out there for you lot. It's highly debatable whether Fichte can refute Schope pre-sequence. Iirc matter to schope is basically a process, but he has options to use it as an actionable sequence. Schope also completely fragged his highest order thought, he does have the option to claim all distinctions are just made up, he also has the option to retreat from idealism and go with just his body. This usually amounts to a situation where Fichte can but only because Schope refuted himself. So the Schope in question has to know things in order to make Schopenhauer useful at a mathematical or scientific theory level, but this also poses a question of whether Schope's influence was the driving factor or just a coincidence. Fichte's other options boil down to agency, outlook and ethics, so it depends once more on the Schope in question and how good Fichte is at finding a potential issue for the synthesis. An idiot Schope is almost always a waste.

Let the competition continue. This is a purely skill debate you fags. I don't see a definitive outcome on this but it will confirm everyone's biases nonetheless.

>>24716565
I dont really understand all this, especially the scientific and mathematical part, but it all sounds interesting.

Why does Hegel get a bunch of dicksuckers obsessed with understanding him and going beyond his system, but Schopenhauer seemingly has this system open for experimental thought and nobody has bothered to try and deal with it?

>complications Nietzsche found himself in going against Descartes

Also I find this incredibly interesting, because Nietzsche tards always come up with the most convenient copes to rationalize holes in his philosophy and would swear to you up and down that it is impossible Nietzsche to make value judgements because he criticized value judgements, so even when he makes clear value judgements all the time, hes not actually ever making value judgements when he calls a philosophy "sickly" and actually his philosophy is perfect all the time.

>>24716251
Land’s flavor of accelerationism is human annihilation brought about by unrestrained and deterritorialized capital that inevitably transmorphs itself into AI which then in hyper efficient techno capital fashion brings about the annihilation of human kind once we are no longer sneeded

>>24717028
Schopenhauer's mathematical frameworks:
>High affinity to theoretical (think functions, calculus, number theory, graphing and other organizational spectra

>analytic > synthetic on geometry. Imo he was weak on geometry, but in his defense he also basically thought it was just something for organizing space

>highly intuitive, almost Lorentz like intuition, if you put a process in front of him he could probably solve it in his head before for he even realized it

His scientific interests are documented throughout his works, a modern schope who has had enough time with him has undoubtedly pursued a general scientific background and probably a specialty.

Schopenhauer also presented multiple methods for presenting these things so don't be surprised if you see him saying he felt it or things like that. He also defaulted to a highly simplistic knowledge extraction, if the idea doesn't produce pleasure or pain it's probably knowledge. Given his heuristics if a schope has had enough time he has probably corrected a number of his bad habits on this part and has had time to incubate new experiments. Sounds wierd, does work.

The Hegel question I'm not sure on, it could be a running inside joke, some posturing, and it might even be a totemic signaling system. If you get Hegel you may not even have to worry about it.

I should clarify a bit, when I say value judgement I mean whether Nietzsche is of the opinion the theoretical option in front of him is worthless. This is a long standing feud between Nietzsche and Descartes. It's also why Nietzsche struggles to avoid postmodern epistemic dilemmas.

>>24717128
He sounds like a pretentious edgelord just like Schopenhauer.

>>24716025
Literally just admits to getting filtered lol

>>24716716
He was the most famous philosopher in Germany until world war 1. I am sure you know better than all of those Germans. Kill yourself.

>>24716137
tell me if I 'm wrong but if Schopenhauer was alive and was aware of Houellebecq I don't think he would like him

>>24715947 (OP)
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>>24716551
ok wtf is his peoblem?

>>24716545
>Hegel is unreadable
>t.

>>24716025
>Kant's misbegotten idealist children were wordcel closeted analytics

>>24716220
stfu land

>>24716257
LMFAO

>>24719006
creating artificial controversies to make his fanbase think critics are coming at him for that and not for his amateur-tier translations

>>24716142
>>24716137
You talk about Schopenhauer as if he was a twitch streamer.

>>24715947 (OP)
Nice Sonic Youth reference

>>24719669
He has influence which makes charlatans seethe. That is my goal, to make charlatans seethe.

>>24719674
Based anon for recognizing this