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Has anyone on here actually read this bullshit?

So let me get this straight: he joins Communist Party USA in the 1920s out of his own nihilism and hatred of the world, gets suckered into being a paper boy in the alleged communist underground, then his wife refuses to get an abortion which causes him to change his values entirely and abandon communism only to become a rat for the US government? Am I missing something here?

Were Americans in the 1950s really that fucking gullible they can't see how his story is full of holes?
Anonymous No.24717363 [Report] >>24717864
His review of Atlas Shrugged is a fucking banger
Anonymous No.24717370 [Report]
No one here has actually read
Anonymous No.24717500 [Report] >>24719775
Wasn’t this Ronald Reagan’s favourite book?
Anonymous No.24717534 [Report] >>24717573
>>24717355 (OP)
Or maybe he has a homosexual relationship with Alger Hiss while both of them were younger and flirt with being communists. Hiss goes on to reach a high level position within the State Department and Nixon exploits this to show how our government is being subverted. In reality there is no subversion and it’s all just political theater mixed with some bitterness on Chambers towards being jilted.
Anonymous No.24717573 [Report]
>>24717534
Yes, I’ve also read that Chambers was secretly queer from other sources.
Anonymous No.24717594 [Report]
The first conservative grifter
Anonymous No.24717864 [Report]
>>24717363
Summarize it for us.
Anonymous No.24717940 [Report] >>24718024
His accusations have all been substantiated though.
Anonymous No.24718024 [Report] >>24720823
>>24717940
Proof?
Anonymous No.24718051 [Report] >>24718910 >>24718999
>>24717355 (OP)
I read it. What exactly is unbelievable? The part where a disaffected youth is seduced into a utopian movement? The part where he slowly becomes disillusioned when he sees how corrupt and vicious they really are? The part where becoming a father changes a man to take responsibility? Are you so cut off from humanity that these are “plot holes” to you?
Anonymous No.24718112 [Report] >>24719201 >>24719231 >>24719260 >>24719481 >>24719579 >>24720783 >>24722484 >>24724670 >>24729490 >>24731754
>>24717355 (OP)
>then his wife refuses to get an abortion which causes him to change his values entirely
It's actually interesting how often abortion is used as a "redemption" catalyst, both in memoirs and in fiction, like a character's experience with abortion (whether getting one or refusing to get one) causes them to convert to Christianity and/or turns them politically conservative.

For instance, this former punk said her abortion (forced by her boyfriend punk rock guitarist Brian Baker) is what eventually lead her to becoming Catholic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukwh_wcrHDc

Two examples I can think of in Christian fiction are Frank Peretti's "Prophet" and Randy Alcorn's "Deadline", both written in the early 90s when Operation Rescue was at its peak. Both novels deal with a journalist who starts off as a political moderate only to get caught up in the abortion issue and realize the mainstream media is lying about abortion and anti-abortion activists.
Anonymous No.24718764 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
It’s written like a European novel.
Anonymous No.24718910 [Report] >>24718999 >>24719196 >>24719409 >>24719526 >>24725841 >>24729381 >>24730510
>>24718051
Justify snitching please. I can understand leaving communism. I can’t morally justify ratting out a bunch of labour organizers and civil rights activists to the feds.
Anonymous No.24718994 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
To be honest, it’s way over dramatic.
Anonymous No.24718999 [Report] >>24719194 >>24723892
>>24718051
>>24718910
McCarthyism was evil.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9BNlQlzvXEg
Anonymous No.24719182 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
Book for teen boys who are just discovering right-wing politics.
Anonymous No.24719194 [Report] >>24731065
>>24718999
In what sense?
Anonymous No.24719196 [Report]
>>24718910
I would rat out civil rights activists. I dunno about labor organizers.
Anonymous No.24719201 [Report] >>24719218
>>24718112
Brian Baker of Minor Threat/Bad Religion?
Anonymous No.24719215 [Report] >>24719701 >>24722314
>>24717355 (OP)
He was the 1950s version of Charlie Kirk, lol.
Anonymous No.24719218 [Report] >>24720060
>>24719201
Yes. She only calls him “Brian” in the video but it’s not too hard to figure out whom she’s referring to.
Anonymous No.24719231 [Report] >>24719257 >>24719260 >>24719574
>>24718112
Rapper Freddie Gibbs also tried forcing his girlfriend (Destini Creams) to get an abortion a few years ago. She refused and is now pro-life.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNAArGDinxx/?igsh=aGw0MHN5b2d4bTl5

https://youtu.be/Bxc9dLgq3JM?si=lfptZWvoSWNauRH5&t=5049

I pray she quits porn and becomes Catholic.
Anonymous No.24719257 [Report]
>>24719231
Get Lila Rose, Kristan Hawkins, or Frank Pavone to talk to her.
Anonymous No.24719260 [Report]
>>24718112
>>24719231
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wcr6Fg02tP0

Remember this?

You are right. It is interesting how abortion seems to be the one thing that pulls at enough heartstrings that it changes someone’s worldview completely.
Anonymous No.24719291 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
As much as I hate conservatives he was a pretty compelling storyteller.
Anonymous No.24719305 [Report] >>24721394
>>24717355 (OP)
>Were Americans in the 1950s really that fucking gullible they can't see how his story is full of holes?

Venona. Allowing so many Soviet Agents under FDR is why you have Nuclear Proliferation (with a little help from the British). Also don't notice Angleton's childhood association with Italian Fascist friendly early Zionists or contriving exclusive intelligence liason with the newly minted Israel for himself in the light of Jackson-Vanik legions of definitely less than circumcised or observant Soviet expatriots to the Levant.
Anonymous No.24719409 [Report] >>24720029 >>24721351 >>24722209 >>24722484 >>24728971 >>24729571
>>24717355 (OP)
>then his wife refuses to get an abortion which causes him to change his values entirely and abandon communism
Haven't read that book but that's kind of how it was like from what I've read about it. Nowadays those far-left groups have scandals because their idealistic twentysomething members have sex with each other and it blows up in drama, but back then the Communist Party didn't want you having sex with anybody outside the party. They considered that suspicious. I guess you could call it more "authoritarian" but it was more like a whole total world and people would pack up their shit and move across the country if the party told them to do it.

>>24718910
>Justify snitching please. I can understand leaving communism. I can’t morally justify ratting out a bunch of labour organizers and civil rights activists to the feds.
It happened a lot, people would call it having a "Kronstadt moment." But I think part of it what goes on is that people flip ideologies but they don't change their psychology. So Chambers was a snitch or errand boy for the communists, and then when he became disillusioned with that, he became a snitch and errand boy for the other side.

David Horowitz is another example. He died recently but he was a New Left figure that became a neocon, but his attitude seemed like it remained trhe same, except now directed towards the left but resembling that of a Stalinist seeking out internal enemies in the society to purge. I wouldn't say this is the universal experience with ex-communists. There were others who became disillusioned with it and became social democrats because they felt communism had begun to contradict its original premises.

This also happened after the French Revolution. There were ex-Jacobins embittered by Napoleon who flipped sides to the Holy Alliance. The sense of feeling betrayed can become so strong that people will throw in with the other side even if it's a conservative force. But there were others (including Thomas Jefferson if I recall) who were critical of Napoleon but retained their beliefs in their revolutionary ideas of the time.
Anonymous No.24719423 [Report] >>24719595 >>24722209
Also, Horowitz became disillusioned because he recommended a (white) woman he knew to the Black Panthers to help them get their accounting in order. Apparently, as the story goes, she found something fishy in their books, and the Panthers killed her. The crime was never solved but he was convinced they did it, and he felt guilt about that. You can believe in this idealistic ideology, but then practical "necessity" requires (or so people believe) that you act like a gangster. The ends justify the means, but the consequences are very morally alarming, because it's not what you signed up for. And that's one way these revolutionary parties degenerate over time I think.
Anonymous No.24719481 [Report]
>>24718112
Because abortion has a very significant emotional effect on people. A lot of women become right-wing after abortion because they realized they killed a living child. There is huge power in a mother’s feelings for her offspring.
Anonymous No.24719500 [Report] >>24719549
>>24717355 (OP)
Communists movements were full.of rats.
The soviet republics fully embraced a culture of ratting on your own family and neighbors to resolve petty disputes so it does not surprise me that some retard that joined the American communists eventually and wholeheartedly ratted them out.
What you thought your fellow commutards were with the shit.
Anonymous No.24719510 [Report]
https://web.archive.org/web/20220715121738/https://aim.org/aim-report/mainstream-media-try-to-burn-a-book
Read Blacklisted by History
Anonymous No.24719526 [Report] >>24719549 >>24719564 >>24720249
>>24718910
If they were doing nothing wrong or illegal, how could anyone rat them out?
Anonymous No.24719544 [Report] >>24719548 >>24721189 >>24724493
>>24717355 (OP)
His great-granddaughter’s IG.
Anonymous No.24719548 [Report]
>>24719544
that's pretty amusing for those who know
Anonymous No.24719549 [Report] >>24719557
>>24719500
see >>24719526
Anonymous No.24719557 [Report]
>>24719549
What part of soviet communist culture is ratting out someone for the pettiest shit just to inconvenience them in anyway dont you understand retard.
Anonymous No.24719564 [Report] >>24720279
>>24719526
in communism some shit like reading a newspaper could be illegal dude
Anonymous No.24719574 [Report] >>24720128
>>24719231
>”the baby was planned”
>”out of nowhere he told me to get an abortion”
Hoes could at least make an effort in making their stories believable.
Anonymous No.24719579 [Report] >>24719581 >>24722198 >>24724736 >>24731045
>>24718112
IIRC Chambers claimed CPUSA forced its higher-ups to be childless and demanded its members get abortions, which there’s zero evidence of. Just another trick to demonize dedicated communists in the eyes of Americans.
Anonymous No.24719581 [Report] >>24720831 >>24722104 >>24724736
>>24719579
should be easy to debunk if not true, how many of the higher ups had children?
Anonymous No.24719595 [Report]
>>24719423
Sounds like she paid the toll.
Anonymous No.24719652 [Report] >>24721290 >>24724233 >>24726830
>>24717355 (OP)
He did a great job exposing the metaphysics of communism and Marxism, and why Marxism is a demonic ideology that destroys the souls of its believers.

We need someone like him in the modern day, who can expose the demonic and godless nature of wokeism and contemporary leftism with such poetry.
Anonymous No.24719695 [Report] >>24731797
>>24717355 (OP)
>bullshit
Hello Jeff Kisseloff.
Anonymous No.24719701 [Report]
>>24719215
This
Anonymous No.24719775 [Report] >>24724391
>>24717500
Yes. This was during a time when American conservatives had real intellectuals among them. Now they just have podcasters and influencers.
Anonymous No.24719884 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
>he joins Communist Party USA in the 1920s out of his own nihilism and hatred of the world
CPUSA was an actual radical party back then, idiot.
Anonymous No.24720029 [Report] >>24721865 >>24722209 >>24722484 >>24728681 >>24728971
>>24719409
>But I think part of it what goes on is that people flip ideologies but they don't change their psychology. So Chambers was a snitch or errand boy for the communists, and then when he became disillusioned with that, he became a snitch and errand boy for the other side.

>David Horowitz is another example.

Another very good (and often overlooked) example of this is former CPUSA member Bella Dodd. Surprised she doesn't get mentioned more because she snitched on A LOT of people during McCarthyism. Dodd was an Italian-American immigrant who joined CPUSA in 1934 when Earl Browder was running the party, largely because she was attracted to Browder's "communism is Americanism" speech and felt being a party member would win her validation from others. After Browder was (rightfully) purged from the party in 1946, Dodd found herself uneasy around the militant Stalinists like Bill Foster who were now running the party again. Eventually, Dodd got purged from the party at the end of the decade for being too reactionary. Shortly afterwards, she was introduced to Catholic evangelist Fulton Sheen who brought her back into the Catholic Church, had her unlearn her communist beliefs, and convinced her to snitch on her former comrades when the McCarthy hearings were heating up. Most of them people she ratted out were public school teachers from the teachers' union who had been CPUSA-affiliated. She won all sorts of praise from the American right and became a mini-celebrity of sorts. But the point is, Bella Dodd was a self-righteous pickme girl when she was in CPUSA, and she was a self-righteous pickme girl after she became a Catholic revert and snitch.

This essay sums up her story and gives insight as to why she flipped from left to right:
https://files.catbox.moe/ao0yvh.pdf

A few years ago a right-wing Catholic professor wrote a book on Bella Dodd which was nothing but simpling for her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03brZN9BunI
Anonymous No.24720060 [Report] >>24720065
>>24719218
I actually was a big fan of those guys (Minor Threat) growing up. But as I got more conservative with age, I found a lot of punks too libertine to hang around. Plus a lot of them are feminists and I hang around incel forums and thats no bueno. Still like the music, though.
Anonymous No.24720065 [Report] >>24722172
>>24720060
Why would you ever admit to being an incel?
Anonymous No.24720076 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
>disillusioned by infighting
While I do hate communists as much as the next (real) American, this isn't unique to them, nor is his case unique.

This is something which often happens in these small under the radar interest groups, which tend to attract social outcasts and misanthropes. Contrary to what some have said, it isn't a sex thing either.

Off the top of my head a good parallel would be NICAP (50s-80s) is the best example but in general UFO/ /x/chizo communities tend to follow a similar trajectory, descending into dramafaggotry and ratting each other out in the fallout to the federales.
Anonymous No.24720128 [Report]
>>24719574
They ALL say the baby was "planned" in order to drum up sympathy points.
Anonymous No.24720249 [Report]
>>24719526
It was never illegal to be a communist in America.
Anonymous No.24720279 [Report]
>>24719564
Source?
Anonymous No.24720783 [Report]
>>24718112
This subject needs to be studied more in-depth.
Anonymous No.24720823 [Report] >>24721394
>>24718024
Venona decrypts
Anonymous No.24720831 [Report]
>>24719581
Its much easier just to say things
Anonymous No.24721151 [Report] >>24721716 >>24723656 >>24728971
>>24717355 (OP)
There were other McCarthyite snitch memoirs at this time too.

Louis Budenz, Elizabeth Bentley, Bella Dodd, etc. all write books like this which are basically wall-to-wall dry snitching against CPUSA. Budenz’s wife Margaret Budenz also wrote a memoir which has an attempted abortion story.
Anonymous No.24721189 [Report]
>>24719544
>pumpkin patch
She knew exactly what she was doing when she posted that.
Anonymous No.24721290 [Report] >>24721486
>>24719652
>He did a great job exposing the metaphysics of communism and Marxism, and why Marxism is a demonic ideology that destroys the souls of its believers.
LOL, no. He barely discussed Marxism aside from the usual “IT’S MATERIALIST” which indicates his initial knowledge of Marxist philosophy was poor and surface-level at best.
Anonymous No.24721351 [Report]
>>24719409
An example that went the other way is Otto Wille Kuusinen who later became the head of Stalin's intended puppet government for Finland and a member of the Soviet politburo. He used to be a devout Christian, and while he already had some influence from leftist thought early on, this mostly just made him into a one nation conservative of sorts. However, the death of his first child provoked a crisis of faith that left him an atheist and soon communism came in to fill the place religion used to have in his life.
Anonymous No.24721394 [Report] >>24723294
>>24719305
>>24720823
Except the Venona Cables weren’t a “list of Soviet spies in America” but rather a list of Americans on whom the USSR was keeping tabs.
Anonymous No.24721486 [Report]
>>24721290
He claimed Marxists make the same mistake Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden, which isn’t saying much.
Anonymous No.24721591 [Report]
ITT: commie cope
Anonymous No.24721716 [Report]
>>24721151
Correct. Sensationalism sells as much now as it did back then.
Anonymous No.24721865 [Report] >>24723491 >>24734168
>>24720029
Interesting. I know if her only because of Catholic conspiracy theories about her confessing to having helped the commies put 1000 communist infiltrators into the Catholic Church.
Anonymous No.24722104 [Report]
>>24719581
Many of them.
Anonymous No.24722172 [Report]
>>24720065
I'm not technically. I've been with plenty of women. I hang out on their forums because getting cheated on over and over and over again starts to grate on your soul after awhile. Now you might say im the common denominator here but its not really that simple. A lot of them simply were suffering from a mental illness (not just simply crazy, but actual mental illness like having cognitive deficiencies and behavioral issues) so they were easily malleable by women around them and very gullible. I won't get into details here but I've been in similar circumstances but I'm much less screwed up. I just didn't really have options. Most men (even ones unlike myself) really don't.
Anonymous No.24722198 [Report]
>>24719579
To be fair, there were many stories of CPUSA members who went through abortions. Granted, none of them were really "forced". Peggy Dennis, who was the wife of CPUSA leader Eugene Dennis, wrote about her abortion in Autobiography of an American Communist.
Anonymous No.24722209 [Report] >>24722218 >>24722260 >>24722350 >>24722484 >>24727119
>>24719409
>>24719423
>>24720029
Good effortpost. Just saw this thread.

Pic rel is on my reading list, but I don't know if it's any good.
>Exit Right: The People Who Left the Left and Reshaped the American Century - Daniel Oppenheimer
>From the 1950s to the early 2000s millions of Americans moved left to right politically—a shift that forever changed the country. In Exit Right, Daniel Oppenheimer takes us from the height of the Communist Party’s popularity in America in the 1920s and 30s, through the Great Depression, World War II, the Cold War, the Civil Rights Movement, and up through conservative resurgence of the 80s, before ending with 9/11 and the dawn of the Iraq War. Throughout, he tells the stories of six major political figures whose lives spanned these turbulent times and whose changing politics reshaped the American soul: Whittaker Chambers, James Burnham, Ronald Reagan, Norman Podhoretz, David Horowitz, and Christopher Hitchens. As he maps out the paths that these six individuals have taken to conservatism, Oppenheimer explores the questions of why and how we come to believe politically at all. How do we come to trust one set of truths, or one set of candidates, or associate with one crowd of people—over all other alternatives?
Anonymous No.24722218 [Report] >>24722260 >>24722350 >>24722379 >>24727119
>>24722209
Forgot pic
Anonymous No.24722260 [Report] >>24722280
>>24722209
>>24722218
Too bad LibGen shut down because I would like to find it there.
Anonymous No.24722280 [Report]
>>24722260
Never mind. Found it on Anna's Archive.
Anonymous No.24722314 [Report] >>24730413
>>24719215
The fact that Chambers and all other ex-CPUSA rats died of natural causes is proof CPUSA were pussies.
Anonymous No.24722350 [Report]
>>24722209
>>24722218
Reading it now and right in the first chapter he hypothesizes that Chambers' politics were entirely rooted in a sense of doomerism, both when he was in CPUSA and after he became a right-wing Christian and snitch. Interesting.
Anonymous No.24722379 [Report] >>24722392 >>24722452 >>24724464
>>24722218
Does this contain Trotskyist Neoconservatives or is that classified information?
Anonymous No.24722392 [Report]
>>24722379
There is zero link between Trotskyism and Neoconservatism. Leo Strauss was never a Trot, for instance.
Anonymous No.24722452 [Report]
>>24722379
Out of all those names, only James Burnham was a card-carrying Trotskyist.
Anonymous No.24722484 [Report] >>24722487 >>24723571 >>24727137 >>24728971 >>24731885
>>24719409
>>24720029
>>24722209
A more contemporary example of this (which also fits into the abortion-as-redemption narrative as told by: >>24718112 ) is Abby Johnson and her memoir Unplanned, which later became a really corny PureFlix film a few years ago. Johnson was a former Planned Parenthood clinic director who had a "change of heart" after (allegedly) witnessing a fetus on ultrasound get sucked through an abortion vacuum, which turned her anti-abortion.

A lot of the "facts" she presents in her book have been disputed by her former coworkers, which isn't surprising. I read her book expecting it to be a millennial version of Whittaker Chambers' Witness or David Horowitz's Radical Son when it really wasn't, it was really dry and written in a way similar to those tacky paperbacks you see at Walmart that are written for suburban wine moms. It's not like she breaks down the metaphysics of "abortion ideology" or whatever the way Chambers and Horowitz did with communism and Marxism. A lot of it is, ironically, her trying to prove she was never an "abortion extremist" and how she tried making it her goal to prevent abortions while working at PP. But as we know from her speeches and appearances on anti-abortion media we know she's not anything close to intellectual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYF1jJ4tLg
Anonymous No.24722487 [Report] >>24723571 >>24727137
>>24722484
To add, Johnson was never a radical leftist. She was a standard liberal at least and apolitical at most. Her story would have been a lot more compelling had she been a radical anarchist feminist or something before turning right-wing and pro-life.
Anonymous No.24723294 [Report]
>>24721394
And why were the Soviets keeping tabs on them?
Anonymous No.24723321 [Report] >>24723381 >>24729518
I joined the Communist party a couple of months ago because I got memed into reading Marx, and now I'm starting to regret it. How can I leverage this to become famous like Chambers?
Anonymous No.24723381 [Report]
>>24723321
Your girlfriend refuses to get an abortion which makes you see the light on how evil commies are, convert to Christianity, and then turn in all your ex-comrades to the FBI. That’s how he did it at least.
Anonymous No.24723413 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
Never read it. I'm actually amazed it's still in print but I guess it is a historically significant book.
Anonymous No.24723448 [Report] >>24723617 >>24729542
>>24717355 (OP)
Chambers Jewish wife and her family are suspect.
Anonymous No.24723491 [Report]
>>24721865
>1000 communist infiltrators
Funny thing is, I’ve heard this conspiracy before, but those 1000 infiltrators were Freemasons not communists.
Anonymous No.24723571 [Report]
>>24722484
>>24722487
Really wish she and Horowitz did a presentation together before he passed. Would be interesting to see how their conversion stories overlap.
Anonymous No.24723617 [Report]
>>24723448
In what ways?
Anonymous No.24723656 [Report]
>>24721151
Budenz’s books are fairly well-known. After he became Catholic and anti-communist he started peddling infiltration conspiracies as well.
Anonymous No.24723716 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
Marxist literature critics have critiqued this book, right?
Anonymous No.24723892 [Report] >>24731065
>>24718999
Yes, evil for the communists who were infiltrating and manipulating American institutions.
Anonymous No.24724037 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
What holes? His story is perfectly consistent.
Anonymous No.24724233 [Report] >>24724847
>>24719652
“Wokeism” isn’t a thing. It’s just liberalism taken to its logical conclusion.
Anonymous No.24724391 [Report] >>24724460
>>24719775
It's kind of depressing how wide the gap is between the European Right and the American "Right". In Europe, you have Sloterdijk, de Benoist, and Land, while America has glorified ecelebs like Yarvin and BAP. Things seem slightly more balanced on the left, where at least the American Left has Michael Hardt and what's left of Chomsky.
Anonymous No.24724460 [Report] >>24724491
>>24724391
The American right used to have intellectuals. William F Buckley could be considered one. Leo Strauss perhaps too. In the era of Trump, the American right is much more about hype and internet personalities drumming up short-term outrage rather than deep thinkers who invoke grand ideas. The closest thing is, perhaps, TradCath grifters but even they don't have much substance.
Anonymous No.24724464 [Report]
>>24722379
That's not classified lol, that's well known info. I've even seen it referenced several times in passing on Wikipedia.
Anonymous No.24724491 [Report] >>24733624 >>24733988
>>24724460
Yes and no. I'd consider Deneen a "real" intellectual, along with Adrian Vermeule. They may enjoy shitposting on Twitter but they can still say things of substance.

Another big problem is that the best insights from the American Right these days have decent odds of coming from somebody anonymous, or at least somebody outside of academia, because the Right has basically been completely driven from the university setting in the United States, outside of a few small liberal arts colleges.
Anonymous No.24724493 [Report] >>24724558
>>24719544
How were you able to find her? And how do you know she's his great-granddaughter?
Anonymous No.24724558 [Report]
>>24724493
Simple. I found her grandmother's obituary on Wikipedia (her grandmother having been the baby they refused to abort):
https://web.archive.org/web/20190331042746/https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/baltimoresun/obituary.aspx?n=ellen-chambers-into&pid=187476648

Then I searched for her granddaughter's name on IG. Of course she popped up.

The thing is, no one is anonymous anymore. The internet archives everything and it's very easy to find people's social media accounts. You just have to be super autistic to do it.
Anonymous No.24724670 [Report]
>>24718112
This guy reads from those passages here:
https://youtu.be/mNlTigcvcpM?si=vMJ03idomiTxAl3b&t=1048
Anonymous No.24724736 [Report] >>24724854
>>24719579
>>24719581
William Z. Foster advocated that communists should go childless.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/foster/1912/syndicalism/3-daily-warfare.html
Anonymous No.24724847 [Report]
>>24724233
Correct and it also goes against Marxism.
Anonymous No.24724854 [Report] >>24725368
>>24724736
Nowadays they already do
Anonymous No.24725368 [Report] >>24727228
>>24724854
The old left was full of Malthusians. People forget they’re the reason birth control is so common in America to begin with.
Anonymous No.24725841 [Report] >>24726099
>>24718910
The commies betrayed him first.
Anonymous No.24726099 [Report] >>24726221
>>24725841
No they didn’t. He quit CPUSA on his own accord and backstabbed his homies like Hiss because he was an egomaniac.
Anonymous No.24726221 [Report] >>24726590 >>24726685
>>24726099
Its quite simple really. Communism has no moral code.
As other posters said he was naturally a snitch so when he switched teams it was time to snitch and drop names on his former team.
Anonymous No.24726253 [Report]
>>24717355 (OP)
After the events of 9/10's Red Army Faction tranissary larp, it is far later than one might think in this process, and Yuri Bezmenov QRD lectures are the tip of the ice[Breaker]--

Everything from pushing dubious 'climate science' to nominalist dodging of recognizable marxist terms and dogma (for 'de-colonization', critical theory, queer theory et. al.) was explicitly spoken of by Gorbachev & Yeltsin - even on live TV - with impunity, because "our major secret weapon is to take the appearance of The Enemy from you", as Georgi Arbatov put it.

The Convergence of the Right, specifically the E-Right, is even more egregious than milquetoast 90s Democrat Republicans. These are people incapble of reading the tea leaves of Felix Dherzinsky's statue being taken out of storage to be reinstalled in front of FSB headquarters, or see through the cargo cult pantomime of Russian Orthodoxy, whinging at this 100 year old KGB cutout re-founded by Stalin in Ukraine like the closeted lolbertarian anti-imperialists useless idiots they are and remain-- this is why they cannot be other than institutionally unfuckable following clowns like Col. Macgregor, the Amerifat George Galloway.
Anonymous No.24726590 [Report]
>>24726221
Utilitarianism vs deontology.

It’s good when our side does it to them.

It’s bad when their side dies it to us.

Simple as.
Anonymous No.24726685 [Report] >>24727430
>>24726221
He chose to join CPUSA. By his own words, he was a dedicated communist. Why did he dip and turn state, if not because he was no longer getting narcissistic supply from the communists?
Anonymous No.24726830 [Report] >>24726941
>>24719652
>He did a great job exposing the metaphysics of communism and Marxism, and why Marxism is a demonic ideology that destroys the souls of its believers.

Chambers's work is a moral and existential critique of communism, not a metaphysical one. He exposes communism as a secular faith, a religion without God, that demands absolute devotion and sacrifices human dignity for a utopian vision. His core argument is that Marxism is an "inverted religion" that replaces God with Man, and this fundamental inversion leads to spiritual and moral emptiness. He didn't aim at dissecting the philosophical nuances of Marx, but rather in showing the human cost of this inversion.

A compelling storyteller, as someone else pointed out, and a gifted wordsmith. Witness is a very good read.
Anonymous No.24726941 [Report]
>>24726830
I mean, his knowledge of Marxism was terrible and his claims are exaggerated at best.
Anonymous No.24727119 [Report]
>>24722209
>>24722218
There's a book similar and much more comprehensive than this entitled Political Conversion: Personal Transformation as Strategic Public Communication. He goes over Chambers, Podhoretz, and Horowitz in great detail.
Anonymous No.24727137 [Report]
>>24722484
>>24722487
>Her story would have been a lot more compelling had she been a radical anarchist feminist or something before turning right-wing and pro-life.

Correct, and also realize her book is amateurish because she wrote it only two years after becoming pro-life. This was before she became Catholic so she wasn't thinking in terms of metaphysics. It's also why the movie features a lot more political polarization than the book, probably because Abby helped write the script and wanted to play up the good vs. evil stuff. In the film everyone who works at the abortion clinic but her is blatantly evil. In the book, she almost gives them the benefit of the doubt and sees the good in them. Shows how her ideology became much more right-wing in the years between the book and the film.
Anonymous No.24727228 [Report] >>24728619 >>24728725
>>24725368
Anonymous No.24727430 [Report] >>24728299
>>24726685
Because saving his daughter from an abortion that the party was forcing his wife to have, and later seeing the mass horrors communism caused in the USSR due to Marxism's extremist materialist philosophy is what woke him up. Commies see people as nothing but a means to an end, not as unique souls with a personal destiny.
Anonymous No.24728299 [Report]
>>24727430
So, muh feels.
Anonymous No.24728619 [Report]
>>24727228
Yikes. I was not ready for that redpill.
Anonymous No.24728681 [Report]
>>24720029
>Paul Kengor
He wrote a book claiming Marx was a satanist. He’s hardly credible. Surprised he still has a teaching job at a highly ranked liberal arts school.
Anonymous No.24728708 [Report] >>24728723
wasnt this guy an ass pirate
Anonymous No.24728723 [Report]
>>24728708
Yes. He had multiple homo affairs.
Anonymous No.24728725 [Report] >>24728973
>>24727228
Georges Sorel had nothing to do with the birth control movement. Wow Christfags are stupid.
Anonymous No.24728971 [Report]
>>24719409
>>24720029
>>24721151
>>24722484
The problem with these kind of true confessional political conversion memoirs is that the narrator is always unreliable. The narrator’s main goal is a combination of demonizing their old belief system and begging forgiveness from others for being brainwashed into their old belief system. They always use exaggerations, breed questionable motives into others, and present themselves as the most innocent little children to offset personal responsibility. Chambers claims he was “misanthropic”, Dodd claims she was “gullible”, Horowitz claims he was “immature”, and so on. These people knew exactly what they were doing in their respected orgs. They weren’t brainwashed or demon-possessed or whatever. Clearly, they had ulterior motives they didn’t want to reveal.
Anonymous No.24728973 [Report] >>24729136
>>24728725
AI hallucination?

The article doesn't say this.
Anonymous No.24729136 [Report] >>24729569 >>24731061
>>24728973
It says the anarchists who participated in the birth control movement were influenced by Sorel. Sorel's philosophy had zero to do with reducing the birthrate and Sorel never advocated such a thing.
Anonymous No.24729381 [Report]
>>24718910
>Justify snitching please
A little arm-twisting by the government
Anonymous No.24729490 [Report]
>>24718112
>pro-life is the new punk rock
Anonymous No.24729518 [Report]
>>24723321
just document their stupidity into a digestible format
Anonymous No.24729542 [Report]
>>24723448
What did she do?

Also, Jews made up something like 40% of CPUSA members back in the day:
Anonymous No.24729569 [Report] >>24729997
>>24729136
That actually sounds like opposite of what he would want.
Anonymous No.24729571 [Report]
>>24719409
>but it was more like a whole total world and people would pack up their shit and move across the country if the party told them to do it.
Sounds like the bullshit cultists like Bob Avakian would foist upon his followers
Anonymous No.24729997 [Report] >>24730157
>>24729569
Explain
Anonymous No.24730157 [Report]
>>24729997
Sorel's thought comes from Nietzschean vitalism. Ending life sounds contradictory.
Anonymous No.24730413 [Report]
>>24722314
Chambers likely committed suicide. He and his wife apparently had a suicide pact. She overdosed on pills shortly after his death but survived.

Also interesting how he never had a real funeral in spite of being (allegedly) a devout Christian. His body was cremated immediately after death and he doesn’t have a formal gravesite.
Anonymous No.24730510 [Report]
>>24718910
Commies have no morals. If they do others dirty it’s only karma they get done dirty back.
Anonymous No.24730597 [Report]
THREAD THEME:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MrfLXZJxkSk
Anonymous No.24731045 [Report]
>>24719579
If that were the case, red diaper babies wouldn’t exist.
Anonymous No.24731061 [Report]
>>24729136
>It says the anarchists who participated in the birth control movement were influenced by Sorel

No it doesn't. It says that syndicalists, inspired by Sorel, believed that "Having children would also be considered a distraction from these revolutionary aims."

This is not "birth control," as such, of the Margaret Sanger variety. Rather, it is consistent with Sorel's view that "the world will become more just only to the extent it becomes more chaste; I do not believe there is a more certain truth."

With this belief corresponding perfectly with his view that "Those individuals who actually accomplish the transformation of virility into violence are les hommes superieurs"; and that "it is the renunciation of things of the flesh that entitles a man to enter the palace of the morally chosen."

Sorel was no Malthusian, indeed in most respects he was anti-Malthusian.

Despite his strong opposition, Sorel did find one point of limited agreement with Malthus. He believed that the proletariat, in a revolutionary society, should exercise a form of voluntary, moral self-restraint in terms of family size. However, this was not due to a fear of overpopulation. Instead, it was to maintain the "military virtues" and moral purity of the working class. For Sorel, a small, disciplined, and morally elevated proletariat was better suited for revolutionary struggle than a large, disorganized, and impoverished one. This was a strategic and moral argument, completely distinct from Malthus's economic and demographic one.

The idea of a "small, disciplined, and morally elevated proletariat" is the very foundation upon which Sorel's concept of revolutionary violence and the "hommes superieurs" is built.

For Sorel, the revolutionary struggle was an all-consuming, heroic enterprise. He saw the proletariat as a warrior class, and a warrior's life is one of discipline, sacrifice, and detachment from the comforts and ties of conventional society. Large families and the domesticity they entail were seen as bourgeois compromises that weakened the revolutionary spirit. They created personal attachments and concerns that could divert a revolutionary's focus and energy away from the collective struggle.

This ethos was even more pronounced for the hommes superieurs, the heroic leaders and moral exemplars. Their role was to be a living myth, a symbol of total commitment to the revolutionary cause. Their lives were not their own; they belonged to the struggle. For them, personal and family life would be a profound distraction from their mission to embody and inspire the revolutionary virtues of honor and a heroic will.

In Sorel's view, the proletariat's "family" was the class itself, and the revolutionary's loyalty was to the cause above all else.
Anonymous No.24731065 [Report]
>>24719194
>>24723892
Your mind is infected with memes that are guaranteeing your misery.
Anonymous No.24731754 [Report]
>>24718112
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atonement_Child

More Evangelical slop from the 90s.
Anonymous No.24731797 [Report]
>>24719695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1PLTAZpG4

He actually makes a pretty good case.
Anonymous No.24731885 [Report]
>>24722484
She has a new doc coming out about this very thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnvbACNA-fI
Anonymous No.24732678 [Report] >>24733379
In these times, we need a memoir by former Antifa that exposes that group. Radical anarchism is demonic just like Stalinism
Anonymous No.24733379 [Report]
>>24732678
>Antifa
>is a group
Anonymous No.24733624 [Report] >>24733965
>>24724491
This is actually a big problem with the Right in that you have a lot of smart guys who would normally be in academia, where they would have to defend their ideas at least to some extent. However, given the overwhelming disdain for conservatives in academia, they are driven to alternative venues like blogs, YouTube, or Twitter, where they not only don't have to conform to any academic standards (like peer review), but are also incentivized to say things that will get as much attention as possible. This creates a cycle where the conservative ideas increasingly get more and more retarded and extreme because there's no outside pressure to improve. Ultimately this isn't good for conservatives (because our ideas get more retarded) and is probably even worse for liberals (because our ideas get more extreme).
Anonymous No.24733965 [Report] >>24735119 >>24736093
>>24733624
And why does academia hate conservatives?
Anonymous No.24733988 [Report] >>24734168 >>24736093
>>24724491
>because the Right has basically been completely driven from the university setting
I distinctly remember influential right wingers urging their followers to avoid university and to go into trades (or the military) years ago.
This is like leftists complaining that there aren't enough Marxist priests in the Catholic church. Why would there be? They self-select themselves out of roles like that.
Anonymous No.24734168 [Report]
>>24733988
>This is like leftists complaining that there aren't enough Marxist priests in the Catholic church.

Heh.
>>24721865
Anonymous No.24735119 [Report] >>24736093
>>24733965
Nta but its irrelevant to the fact that the right lacks an institional framework for challenging their ideas.

America in general lacks the social technology for even productive debate. I can't think of a single institution in America similar in form or function to the internationally prestigious Oxford Union debates. If a society lacks the basic technology for producing discursive truth they are pretty much blind.
Anonymous No.24736093 [Report]
>>24733988
>I distinctly remember influential right wingers urging their followers to avoid university and to go into trades (or the military) years ago.
And then we wonder why American culture drifts leftwards. Right-wingers are their own worst enemy, and I say that as someone who doesn't have a left-wing bone in my body. We are genuinely retarded, we will always leap at the chance to do or say something retarded rather than do something to help our cause, and when we lose it will be our own fault.
>>24733965
Various reasons: academia selects for mentally ill people and craven pussies, leftists are more organized and politically driven that right-wingers so they're more likely to make organized pushes at taking control of institutions, right-wingers are often genuinely retarded as I said above, and inertia over time leads to an overall culture that is reflexively hostile to conservatives in a way that goes beyond understandable manifestations of the first three reasons.
>>24735119
> right lacks an instutional framework for challenging their ideas
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. The right-wing intellectual scene is essentially a circlejerk because it lacks any incentives to rigor. Academia is a left-wing circlejerk, but because it still has institutional processes for vetting ideas (like peer review), it still encourages intellectual rigor in some ways (with the usual caveats about corruption, etc.).