Thread 24719861

Could he have saved the modern left and prevented them from turning into what they've become if he lived?

>>24719861 (OP)
What’s the headband hiding

big nope

No one can do that, the DNC and GOP will eventually made into containment boards and considering almost everyone, regardless of affiliation, missing his rather blunt point regarding peoplee and their politics, there is no hope for people who see the world in such myopic terms.

>>24719863
A second, smaller headband.

>>24719861 (OP)
Wow hes a genuis... thank you for this rabbit hole tonight.

>>24719861 (OP)
What would he do? Advocate for a lower age of consent? Fucking retard

>>24719861 (OP)
Intelligence...Is...Le Curse...

>>24719861 (OP)
more this guy desu but i also love DFW

>>24719861 (OP)
This pseud couldn’t even save himself.

>>24719861 (OP)
He was a republican and conservative

>>24721510
Nah, he was not much for partisan politics and absolutely against such terms being applied to people and found people who identified themselves through such terms to be lacking in everything important in life. Have you ever even read him?

>>24719863
A receding hairline

>>24719861 (OP)
No. The left is not a think tank, it’s a dogma closely related to feelings and updated every 10 years or so

>>24719861 (OP)
No he would've gotten cancelled for fucking too much arthoe pussy. Probably would've started a substack complaining endlessly about the woke mob.

Its the lack of sincerity that turns people away from the left, they find that kind of thing to be banal and empathy to be too much for them

>>24723129
If you dehumanize poor people in Mississippi, then you were never about empathy. I find most leftists just take their anger out on lower class White people. It's the safest target and in their minds it's justified. When it's Whites/Europeans , suddenly no one is an individual and not everyone is capable. It stops being about equality. Leftists have a lot of anger which they take out on Whites. The average angry leftists larps as an empathetic person. They don't believe that everyone is equal. If they did, they wouldn't treat White people like that. They fight racism with more racism. Leftists are terrible people. They're obsessed with themselves and their own supposed intelligence. The people they hate on, if actually less than, have a reason for being ignorant. What is the leftist excuse? Why are these supposed empathetic educated leftists such assholes? Leftists are just hateful, but their ego is so massive that they have no ability to self reflect.

the problem of the left is one of technology, you see the left dominated when the paradigm was based on television, academia, and magazines. But then the internet was invented, and smart phones, and podcasts. and with this new technology the liberal gatekeepers were removed.

The problem with the liberals, left, democrats, is they are still thinking in a 20th century way, while the right is playing ball in the 21st century

no one cares about cnn, they care about some random podcaster you talk to for 3 hours, another thing is soundbites dont work anymore, you have to be willing and able to be and interesting person for a 3 hour podcast. no one cares about magazines, they care about tik tok, no one cares about academia, you can steal books and teach yourself online now.


on the other hand the biggest flaw of the right is its anti intellectualism and how they want everyone to be a christ tard who believes in witch craft

>>24723790
being opposed to the cathedral isn't anti-intellectualism. if anything, it's the opposite.

>>24719861 (OP)
>it's another retarded boomer who huffed too much of his own fear mongering and now unironically thinks that leftoid militias are hunting down rightwingers
sigh

>>24723810
come on, even trump admits his followers are knuckle draggers.

right wingers have no interest in poetry, literature, philosophy, etc. they dont go to college, encourage people to go to the trades, want the factories to come back

>cathedral

even yarvin knows you guys are mouth breathers

>>24723842
a leftist literally just shot a rightist on on a university for discussing ideas, and leftists celebrate it. this after over a decade of leftists organizing into huge mobs and beating up rightist speakers on universities. the contemporary left is explicitly anti-intellectual. don't fall for the low-iq trap of confusing its dogmatic embrace of superficial social signals, like loving the heckin' science, for them actually caring about it when all their actions (not their words) contradict them. look at what people do, not what they say.

the people shooting speakers on universities for disagreeing with them are not in favour of intellectualism, and I honestly have a hard time believing that you're so stupid that you need this pointed out to you, and that you aren't just engaging in sophistry. because sophistry is my more charitable interpretation of your takes at this point.

>>24723895
oh please, you know full well if a leftist was shot you would be making wojaks of it.
Dont act like you are the moral side.

there are flaws on the left too, like its slave morality and political correctness.

but in general right wingers are very stupid

>>24723039
*deboonks*

>>24723842
>right wingers have no interest in poetry, literature, philosophy, etc. they dont go to college, encourage people to go to the trades, want the factories to come back

>>24719861 (OP)
too white, too male, and too skinny

>>24723914
yeah, I didn't say the right wouldn't be making fun of some guy getting shot, I said the left is anti-intellectualism, and used the celebration of the shooting of a guy on a university campus as an example of that. that this was a natural extension of the decades of anti-intellectualism on the left as represented by them beating up people on universities for disagreeing with them and basically calling everyone who argues against them slurs instead of engaging with their arguments. arguments that are very stupid and so should be easy to deboonk, but which leftists are unable to respond to effectively in any way other than with slurs and violence, because they are so anti-intellectual, and have been so for so long, that the people who represent them them are now too retarded to respond to disagreements in any other way.

>>24719863
Excessive sweat.

>>24723914
A leftist wasn't shot.

>>24724099
it's scary to think that people that are 20 right now basically came of age during trump derangement syndrome so they think a guy like kirk is literally a fascist.

>>24724160
Check out the big brains on Brad!

>>24724099
>I said the left is anti-intellectualism
America is anti-intellectual. It has a grip on both parties. If you can’t see that I don’t know what else to tell you.

>>24723914
Nah. The flaws are just its meaninglessness and mindless hedonism. There really is nothing to any of their opinions once you scrutinize them or read varied philosophical texts.
Once you realize that everyone is just trying to vainly satisfy their base and meaningless cravings, all their ideological ramblings and debates start to just lose their luster.

>>24724160
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?

>>24724099
>leftists are anti-intellectual
>because I've seen videos where they yell at provocateurs who come to campuses for the sole point of ragebaiting 19 year olds
>this proves that leftists are anti-intellectual
You can't be serious

>>24723120
Yeah he definitely would have been cancelled for his antics during the IJ book tour alone, not to mention the Mary Karr situation.

He knew he had a problem and that's what Brief Interviews is about.

>>24719861 (OP)
Based on the accusations that have come out about him after his death, he probably would have been #MeToo'd into oblivion.

>>24719861 (OP)
He would have been canceled for his rapey/abusive behavior after "Me too" and become a more reactionary/RW figure.

>>24719861 (OP)
He would stop racism.

>>24728523
Lenz was one of my favs.

>>24727687
He wasn't big enough to bother with canceling, his fame came with death and that movie.

>>24728585
The lighting the cat on fire and it chasing after him and the segment where Bruce Green is following behind Lenz, while he, Bruce, relives the childhood trauma of pranking his mom to death are both great, yes

>>24721764
Yeah, I read IJ, he was a republican

>>24728642
>I read IJ
Then how did you miss all of his very blunt commentary on this stuff?

>>24723914
you can tell the holding the left accountable for their gravedancing works, because now they retreat to

>well imagine if things were the other way around

which is always a poor tool and what the right has tried to use and failed with for years.

>>24725320
It's more than just yelling.

It's life ruination. It's violence. And now also assassination.

>>24723842
>smart people don't like me

Leftists still not getting jokes.

>>24728668
Probably had something to do with DFW being a republican? Why do you think having nuanced thoughts means you get to opt out of a label that still fits?

>>24719861 (OP)
>ould he have saved the modern left and prevented them from turning into what they've become if he lived?
Read Althusser on "Mature Marx" until you understand.

>>24731582
Has nothing to do with nuanced thoughts, more to do with writing a 1200 page book which puts a fair amount of the blame for the problems of society on such labels. That and all of the other related writings on the topic. Explain what makes him a republican so I can humiliate you in front of everyone.

>>24723790
The left is trying all that new stuff the problem is not the technology, it's that they are insane liars with nothing interesting to say, so if they don't hold the only microphone then nobody is going to listen.

>>24723842
The only people engaging in any interesting thought right now are on the right, or at least, not on the left.
Being a pretentious mandarin with a wall of degrees doesn't make you an intellectual, and ignoring said mandarin doesn't make you anti intellectual.

>>24731986
Why are you getting so mad, lmao. Why would I explain what makes him republican if you announce you plan to humiliate me? Doesn't seem very smart on my end. Enjoy your republican writer lol. I like him too.

>>24723842
>Smart people don't like me
Seems obvious that he means people who like to think of themselves as "smart people", someone who reacts against any sort of social conservatism because they think only dumb hicks hold those beliefs, while they themselves live conservative lives in practice (getting married, having two kids, living in a majority white suburb, etc)

>>24732114
>can't into subtext
If you are right, wouldn't I be the one who is humiliated?

>>24723079
How can you see the right today and think there's very much thought going on there. Keep in mind we're on /lit/ here as well, so there's going to be more awareness of the intellectual currents here then on /pol/.

>>24723129
What does this even mean. I mean even someone hardly considered to be radical like Bernie goes to West Virginia to talk to people and ask them about what their thinking about these days and their concerns at a face to face human level and how does this not get recognized?

>>24724005
I love how you're proving his point by using that meme, the study doesn't say what you people think it says kek

>>24719861 (OP)
He either would have capitulated or would be cancelled himself.

>>24723842
Agreed. Anyone on the right who's honest will admit that the vast majority of the American Right are just stupid people. And I swear I don't mean that disparagingly -- I mean they're a little slow, uneducated, uninformed, or all three. They can't name their state's governor. They don't know what the three branches of government do. They think that tariffs are paid by the country they're levied on because they'd never heard of tariffs before. Etc, etc, etc. Intelligent people are much more likely to be liberals, there's a strong positive correlation between IQ score and likelihood of left-leaning political beliefs. Don't get me wrong, there are some intelligent people on the right, but they're the exception, not the rule. Pull a right-winger and a left-winger off the street and statistically speaking it's more likely the left-winger will be objectively smarter. You never see people on the right acknowledge this, even though they're obsessed with IQ scores.
>inb4 oh yeah well you're a tranny/brownoid/joo/etc, as if that's not exactly what I'm talking about

>>24732992
You're regurgitating misleading information someone else fed you just like you're accusing that guy of, falling for accidental bait that reveals brainwashed retards like you.
The image in the meme doesn't actually represent leftists valuing foreigners over their own family but the actual paper still strongly suggests they do.

>>24733010
>the left-winger will be objectively smarter
Slightly higher IQ.
Won't express anything approaching an original thought, just regurgitates whatever he heard the mainstream consensus is.
No ability to make anything from scratch.
Can't even describe anything close to the right wingers beliefs about anything, let alone steelman those beliefs.
Will actively try to undermine sincere, rational thought about "taboo" subjects like race.
Extremely authoritarian and judgemental, guilt by association is considered normal.
>"right winger"
Slightly lower IQ.
Lives in the world and has coherent thoughts about his immediate environment based on experience.
Makes things.
Can describe what the leftist believes precisely, why someone would believe that and why it's retarded. He's inundated with the same propaganda that shaped the leftist every day everywhere he goes.
Willing to think, discuss and explore any subject.
Extremely liberal, forgiving and tolerant as Christ taught.

>>24733016
>https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/moral-circles-heat-map/
Found an explainer for you.
>the meme doesn't say leftists value foreigners more than their own family but the paper still strongly suggests they do
The actual paper doesn't suggest that. It suggests that liberals expend more of their moral concern, so to speak, on things beside their own families; ie, liberals care more about foreigners than conservatives do.
>falling for the bait
lmao you didn't read the study either, did you
>yes I did!!!
Please spare us both the long exchange where you pretend like you've studied it deeply while skimming it in another tab for the first time

>>24733043
>slightly higher IQ
The left-winger will likely have a slightly higher IQ, yes.
>here's a lot of my opinions presented as fact
Right, yeah. You've neglected to mention that the higher someone's IQ, the higher likelihood they'll be liberal, with higher IQs leading to higher and higher likelihood of liberal beliefs. It's a remarkably strong correlation once you consider all the possible confounding variables. Very difficult to talk your way around this if you think that conservatives are the ones who are the most "clued in," so to speak.

>>24733092
Read your own link, retard.
>>24733114
High IQ correlates with all mainstream beliefs. The group that refuses to think and tries to enforce its brainwashing as holy dogma being high IQ has always been the norm.
It's not some remarkable thing that implies anything you're trying to imply like the brainwashed retard you are.
When Christianity controlled education high IQ was associated with Christianity. It's hard to teach a low IQ person verbally, high IQ without discipline and working foundational beliefs just means you're easily controlled, like a high IQ dog is easier to train than a dumb dog.

>>24733043
>Won't express anything approaching an original thought, just regurgitates whatever he heard the mainstream consensus is.
Change mainstream consensus to whatever "based" belief is subtly suggested to them by the mainstream xitter algorithm that pavlo'd them and you have the average MIGAtard cultist

He probably would've trooned out if he was still alive

>>24733147
>Read your own link, retard.
Yeah, I thought someone would do this. That chart is comparing liberals' moral allocation to conservatives' moral allocation. It says that liberals are more likely to allocate moral concern to things beside their own families than conservatives are. Read that sentence again: than conservatives are. IE, relative to conservatives, liberals more evenly allocate their moral "units." It does not say that liberals value foreigners, trees, or rocks more than their own family. Is this the part where I call you retarded?
>high IQ correlates with all mainstream beliefs
It's true that smart people are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories, yes.

People should stop thinking in terms of left or right and start thinking in terms of dogma and heresy.

>>24733223
>conspiracy theories are ubiquitous and and can negative consequences
is that so? *chortles*

Did he care? I feel like no one gave a shit about any of this stuff before social media.

>>24733909
>he hasn't read The View From Mrs. Thompson's
>he hasn't read Up, Simba!
>he is not aware of Johnny Gentle
Much to consider...

>>24733939
>retard
Seems so. But good job on chewy picking g and ignoring context/everything which does not support your views such as the right in IJ being represented as a bunch of morons who cripple themselves and fight a completely pointless battle that only exists on paper.