Thread 24721806

Let's fix the English language. I'll go first.
>Ditch silent letters
We dont need them
>reintroduce certain runes
Þðæ for example, makes spelling an pronunciation more consistent.
>Create compounds for most commonly used words
We already have & for and. We need more for words such as The, I, ect.
>Figure out how to spell
We need to spell things how they're said. This is kinda crossing into silent letters but there's a few examples of letters being said diffrent in one word compared to another for the hell of it.

writing a language phonetically will always result in the words themselves become a sort of hieroglyph. If you were to completely overhaul how English is written it wouldn't reflect speech in some 500 years.
If it ain't broke, don't fix

Affirmative action only applies to retards who acknowledge being retards.

>>24721806 (OP)
>diffrent
opinion discarded

I like English how it is.
I like that it incorporates Germanic, Latin, and French words; it's reflective of the country's history.
I like that it's not phonetic which makes certain words hard to spell or pronounce; it favors native speakers and those who actually read and write.
>We need to spell things how they're said.
This is what niggers do with every language they come in contact with.
>Create compounds for most commonly used words
you mean like lol lmao kys fgt?

>>24722168
>Retard says æcts like he knows English history but doesn't.
Classic

unreformed English spelling retains the etymology of each word, to switch to phonetics would essentially wipe that out. the bigger issue, however, is that regional dialects have almost entirely been wiped out by mass media, so there's little point in phonetic spelling now. spelling reform made sense in 1900 but now it's just lowering the bar

>>24722607
So, a century ago it made sense to wipe out the etymology and history of the words but now that vulgar dialects which contradict that history and etymology are mostly dead, it does not make sense?

>>24722588
SYBAU nigger

>>24721806 (OP)
Rewrite your OP in this fixed English

>>24721806 (OP)
Only ESLs think English needs to be "fixed". Just admit you got filtered.

Ghost and Gost have a completely different pronunciation and only esls think the H needs to removed. Please stop using my language i dont want to interact with foreigners

>>24721806 (OP)
>>Ditch silent letters
No. This makes English less comprehensible, not more. The way our words are spelled showcases their etymology, which is important for making their meanings clear in a language with multiple lexicons. Moreover, different dialects and accents leave different words silent; Brits would start writing "pleece" and Americans would have no idea that they're talking about police.
>>reintroduce certain runes
Thorn I could get used to, but not ash. Ash is simply too wide, it looks horrible when inserted into modern English text.
>We need to spell things how they're said.
Revisit my first point.

>>24721806 (OP)
Learn japanese

>>24722852
Gōst

>>24722908
You're just flat out wrong, we used to say Silent letters until that became stigmatized by the rich.
Knight was said Kuh,Nai,tuh. So we either go back to that or ditch them.

I would rather man refer to all people, and human to refer to males. It makes more sense for men to split into human and woman (3 to 5 and 5) rather than human to split into man and woman (5 to 3 and 5)

a more general category should have less letters.

>>24723523
You're retarded and haven't refuted the point at all. Yes, the Old English word for knight was cniht, roughly pronounced k'neesht. Keeping the k and the gh points to the etymology of the word and preserves its history, which is my point.

>>24721806 (OP)
Macrons or diareses look better than silent e tbdesu.

I would also fix retarded words like "island" or "indict."

Seething ESL thread

Look here are some examples of what I mean
Ocean > ōcean
Oar > ōar
Air > Eir (Old spelling)
Island > Ailand
Read past tense > Reid
Knight > Naight
Occasion > Akashion
Some words though like Couldn't stay the same, since in modern English phonetics Couldn't without the L would result in Ku-Dent which isn't what I want.

>>24723969
The only word in English that needs changing is 'connection', which should revert to 'connexion'.

This is literally ebonics

>>24724103
Dis Be Ebonics u dum ass nigga, kill yo self fo I do it fo you

>>24721806 (OP)
>>Ditch silent letters
Some of the silent letters that's reasonable, but some of them do actual work, like silent E making the vowels long.
>Þðæ for example, makes spelling an pronunciation more consistent.
Why not just use th and dh for the voiced and voiceless th sound? Then you wouldn't need new keys and typefaces. (Though you can already tell 95% of the time in the existing system- voiced in function words, voiced intervocalically and voiceless elsewhere in native words, voiceless in loanwords.) As for æ, the /æ/ sound is already indicated pretty consistently.
>We already have & for and. We need more for words such as The, I, ect.
There used to be a ligature of e over Þ, but as for I... why, or more accurately how, when it's already only one letter?
>We need to spell things how they're said. This is kinda crossing into silent letters but there's a few examples of letters being said diffrent in one word compared to another for the hell of it.
I'd urge strongly in the direction of regularizing the existing system based on its own norms rather than trying to introduce a whole new one.
>>24721810
The existing system absolutely is broken, though.
https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html
>>24722168
English is pretty much the only European language that hasn't updated its spelling in centuries, even in the countries with few migrants.
>>24722607
>>24722908
You could still preserve most of the etymological information while making it so you can at least derive pronunciation from spelling if not vice versa, think like French or Thai.
>>24722852
I'm a native English speaker and I've never heard of any such word as gost.
>>24723523
It's not about being stigmatized by the rich, it's just sound change. That said, <knight> is still regular in the direction of spelling -> pronunciation; initial <kn> is regularly /n/ and <igh> is regularly /aJ/.
>>24724103
Writing is not language. Language is speech, writing is notation. English would still be English even if you wrote it in Cyrillic.

>>24724276
>Dis Be Ebonics
Common mistake in those trying to imitate ebonics- the "be" isn't just a synonym of "is", it indicates a habitual state or action. So "he running" means he's doing it right now, whereas "he be running" means he's known to do it frequently.

>>24724333
I hear be all the time
He be runnin, we be eatin, they be rachet.

>>24724355
Right- that's indicating a habitual or ongoing state or action. "This be Ebonics" would mean that phrasing in that dialect regularly appears in that space or something, not just that that particular message is. (There's a famous experiment where linguists showed a bunch of small children a picture of the cast of Sesame Street in which Elmo was eating cookies. They asked them "who is eating cookies?" and all the children pointed to Elmo, but when they asked "who be eating cookies?" the white children mostly pointed to Elmo again while the black children mostly pointed to Cookie Monster.)

>>24723986
And 'buxom' back to 'bucksome.'

God Make Da World

Da time wen eryting wen start, God make da sky an da world.
Da world come so no mo notting inside, no mo shape notting. On top da wild ocean dat cova eryting, neva had light notting. Ony had God Spirit dea, moving aroun ova da watta.

Day Numba One
Den God tell, “I like light fo shine!” an da light start fo shine. God see how good da light. Den he put da light on one side, an da dark on da odda side. Da light time, he give um da name “Day time.” Da dark time, he give um da name “Nite time.” So, had da nite time an da day time, az day numba one.

Day Numba Two

Den God tell, “I like get someting inside da middo fo no let da watta up dea an da watta undaneat come togedda!” 7An dass wat God do. God make someting fo no let da watta up dea an da watta undaneat come togedda. 8Da look ting inside da middo, God give um da name “Da Sky.” Had da nite time an da day time, az day numba two.

>>24724546
This is how the Romance languages would sound to a Roman.

I disagree except I spell "Through" as "Thru".

>>24723508
im not a jap

russian does the same, fix that and then complain about my language

>>24724332
>I've never heard of any such word as gost.
thats not the point, the point is that it has the same pronunciation as cost

I think we shuwd just remove all the irregularities in the spelling uv our core Anglo-French vocabulary, so that the pronunciation rules we lern as kids ar enuff to read the language. I doen't minde keeping heritage spellings for the moste common function wurds like "the" or "of", but "good food blood" and "-ugh" type stuff is whut makes our writing system seem retarded.

Literally noe argument against this, it just makes the spelling system mor logical without changing the etymological basis uv English spelling.

>>24721806 (OP)
https://www.quikscript.net/
>spell how said
People don’t agree on how to pronounce things though
So the best anyone has come up with is “spell how QEII’s predecessor talked, but spell out R sounds”