Thread 24722751

cope of an anon who embarrassed himself in his last thread.

>>24722751 (OP)
other languages don't use marks to indicate pauses in speech?

>cope of a poor language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody_(linguistics)

>>24722758
Pauses, intonation, other prosody, commas, all of these are copes of a poor language. In a language which marks adjectives for which noun they are modifying for example, you don't have to cope with the above to convey what you mean, you convey it with the suffix, which is much more sophisticated way.

>>24722758
Pauses, intonation, other prosody, commas, all of these are copes of a poor language. In a language which marks adjectives for which noun they are modifying for example, you don't have to cope with the above to convey what you mean, you convey it with the suffix, which is a much more sophisticated way.

>>24722773
maybe inflections are the cope of a poor language that can't into prosody. did you ever think of that?

i think the comma is kinda cute

>>24722780
They're not.

>>24722775
>commatard double posted
You continue to act the fool

>>24722799
I edited the post dumbass

>>24722795
>nuh uh!
brilliant

>>24722802
You made the counter-proposition, you back it up, you didn't. Hence I don't need to back my proposition up. Learn logic. Literally accusing me of not providing an argument, when you didn't provide an argument yourself, at all, but only a proposition. I bet you don't even know the difference between a proposition and an argument.

>>24722807
maybe that would be true if there was any reasoning to back up your "proposition" in the first place.all you did was state that inflection was more "sophisticated" because it just is ok.

>>24722801
Why didn't you write it correctly the first time around if you're so superior at the written word than any of us plebeians? Nigger.

>>24722825
My point was that this post >>24722780
is not an argument and yet you deride me for my post not being an argument. Learn basic logic.

>>24722836
You're derailing the thread. Learn basic logic.

>>24722887
you literally didn't post an argument as to why inflection is more sophisticated. you only posted an argument that commas are only necessary in a language without inflection. that says nothing about which is more sophisticated.

>>24722889
>My inability to write properly is COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC! SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, CHUD!
I diagnose you with nigger brains

>>24722892
Fuck off and learn how argumentation works. I'm going to sleep.

>>24722910
This thread isn't about me, fuckface. Nor is it about "someone's language" in the sense of "John's English" vs "Peter's English". Rather a language = English, Latin, Japanese etc

>>24722914
>Getting literally shamed out of his own thread.
Lmao what a retard

>Let's see what /lit/ is up to these days
>arguing over the comma
never change, retards

>>24722959
the retard is you

>>24722794
You are a female poster

>>24723188
oh no not a weeetard oooooh you makea me cry so much

>>24723206
Make an argument or fuck off.

>>24723209
only a colossal spastic would argue over the comma

>>24723214
not an argument, fuck off from this thread brainlet

>>24723223
I'm the only one keeping your niggerlicious thread alive. How black do you have to be to complain about a comma?

>>24723229
If you had asked nicely I would provide arguments, but you're an asshole so I won't elaborate. Just kys retard.

>>24723238
>actually I could pick you apart right now for realzz
>but I won't because ur mean
Never change, /lit/.

>>24723250
Read the thread fuckface.

English is the greatest language in history

>>24723261
Every post with an argument in this thread uses a comma and is not worth reading.

>>24722751 (OP)
> ;
Name a more useless punctuation mark

>>24723263
It's a shit language. Heavy reliance on word order, commas and intonation. A language that has fixed word order is not fit for poetry. Relying on commas and prosody to convey meaning means you're adding shit onto the language to cope with the poverty of the actual language. It's like someone is speaking and then they have to make fucking animal noises and hand gestures on top of the actual words because the words themselves are not able to convey what you're trying to say.

>>24723280
Ancient Greek is a shit language. Heavy reliance on inflection, vowel length, and pitch. A language not fit for rhyme, alliteration, caesura, or sprung rhythm. Relying on inflections and pitch to convey meaning means you're adding shit onto the language to cope with the poverty of the actual language. It's like someone is speaking and then they have to make fucking animal noises and hand gestures on top of the actual words because the words themselves are not able to convey what you're trying to say.

>>24723286
fuck off child

>>24723280
I think you need to work on your English first before berating it
>A language that has fixed word order is not fit for poetry.
Because we cannot copy the rules of Latin poetry (who in turn copied Greek rules against their native verses)? Poetry isn't dogma; each language develops its own styles of poetry. There have been numerous poets in English, despite the word order (which can be freely broken in poetry).
To suggest one language is "poetically superior" to another is the height of arrogance.

>>24723295
kek.

>>24723300
Didn't read. Fuck off and learn logic.

>>24723305
fuck off back to /b/ where you belong, this is supposed to be a board of higher quality and intellectual discussions

>>24723318
You didn't make any "high quality" "intellectual" point. you just said some retarded crap that can be said about any language or any grammatical feature of any language.

This esl-tard has been shitting this board up for the past month or so.
>something something logic
>fuck fuck off fuck you
He is a rather foul-mouthed little thing

>>24723348
Yeah, he's supposedly studied the trivium but comes off as profoundly retarded, incapable of putting its logic to use. Can't understand basic arguments and is autistically fixated on language, often multiposts as well for whatever reason. At least he's not the platojeet.

>>24723372
almost like any one who claims to have studied "the trivium" is a reactionary retard. same type as zoomer trad cath larpers except this one is ESL and has weird grievances against anglos.

>>24722751 (OP)
Do you have any argument or evidence to support this claim?

>>24724340
>Picturam puellae ridentis pinxit.
He painted a picture of the girl laughing.

>Ridens picturam puellae pinxit.
He painted a picture of the girl, laughing.

>>24724499
Okay, and what is your argument for why how Latin does it is superior to how English does it? (Also, at least to my intuition the first would be more naturally translated as "he painted a picture of the laughing girl" but that's besides the point.)

>>24724340
>Picturam puellae ridentis pinxit.
He painted a picture of the girl laughing.

>Picturam puellae ridens pinxit.
He painted a picture of the girl, laughing

>>24724514
Again, what is your argument for why the way Latin does it is superior to the way English does it? "It's just obvious" is not an argument.

>>24723280
>ESL seething intensifies

>>24724519
Ridentis/ridens is the same in writing and speech. The comma is in writing only. The only way to convey it in speech is with a pause, which is far less clear than ridentis vs ridens and is prone to being misunderstood. Also, as a general rule, marking verbs and adjectives for which noun they're referring to makes for less ambiguity. It also means you're not dependent on word order, and flexible word order is an advantage in poetry, because you can easily move around words in a sentence to make it rhyme with another sentence, without affecting the meaning.

>>24724599
And what of the devices enabled by analytic grammar, like juxtaposing sentences composed of the exact same words in a different order? In a synthetic language they would have to have different forms, and the effect would be different.

>>24724609
I don't know much about poetry. I've been looking into amphiboly mostly and there Latin beats English.

>>24724614
The traditional terminology of Western poetry is built around Greek and Latin, of course it's going to be biased towards describing the things they're good at, not the things English is good at. Look into the traditional terminology of Chinese poetry, they have a lot of words for concepts that wouldn't even make sense in Latin.

>>24724619
Alright but this thread is about commas and prosody, such as pauses and intonation, being a mere cope, unsuccessfully trying to make up for lack of inflections for example.

>>24724599
nta but there are so many ways to say the same thing that ambiguity or misunderstanding can be avoided by simply choosing different words.
If someone is reading a sentence aloud which includes a comma, such as in the example you provided previously, they can simply include a slight pause to imply the presence of a comma and the audience will understand.
It's such an insignificant thing which almost never comes up in conversation so it makes no real difference on the practical usability of the English language which can be clearly seen through its proliferation across the globe.
You're grasping at straws here

>>24724638
>nta but there are so many ways to say the same thing that ambiguity or misunderstanding can be avoided by simply choosing different words.
No. I'm talking about syntactic ambiguity, not semantic ambiguity.
>they can simply include a slight pause to imply the presence of a comma
Again, inferior to suffixes.
>and the audience will understand.
Again, there's a much greater risk they won't, compared to when using suffixes.

>>24724633
>unsuccessfully trying to make up for lack of inflections for example.
why is it unsuccessful?
seems to work to me.

>>24724760
Go back to eating your beans. We're discussing steak here.

>>24724689
Every language has its own means of communicating information. It is part of the skillset of an effective user of the language to know how to communicate information in a way that will be understood by their audience.

>>24724816
Brainwashed

>>24724818
On what basis do you assert that you know better than an entire academic field?

>>24724820
This faggot again. Kys retard.