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>>24720851

>Thread Question:
Do protagonists that rely on cunning and cleverness make for more interesting stories than ones with innate abilities or powers?

first for greg egan!

If I exclusively read books that won either a Hugo or Nebula award, would I miss anything good?

of course you would - christ man you will NOT get a (You) for me!!!!

Elderly White Woman Praises Dungeon Crawler Carl
https://youtu.be/Ms_yfD8hbT8

>>24729046
You will always miss out on the good no matter how hard you try.

Victra best girl.

Historical fiction is just lazy fantasy

>>24729043 (OP)
Why is fiction, especially fantasy, filled with female protagonists hating their father?

>you should read hyperion/blindsight/the expanse
Good lord do people not know more than those

>>24729106
Based and true. Victra best girl. What say you, Goodman Horsefag?
>TQ
Neither one is inherently more interesting. It's all in the execution. A good writer will pick out the nuances even in a supernaturally gifted character.

>>24729297
Victra - muh friends
Darrow - muh people
Cassius - muh honor
Virginia - muh greater good
Roque - muh society
Sevro - muh found familia
Adrius - muh power

>Only one is the correct answer.

>>24729314
Lysander - muh personality disorder

>>24729184
>what are daddy issues

>>24729193
We do but you should still start from those instead of acting like a pseud bitch.

>>24729297
I think in general a clever character gives the writer more opportunities to show interesting problem solving rather than just having the character steamroll every opponent with his amazing abilities. But you're right that it all comes down to execution in the end.

>>24729044
I enjoyed permutation city with only a bachelor's in finance, while semi-regularly having sex. Your chart is shit.

>>24729046
If they were published in the last 15 years, you'd be assured to only read garbage.

>>24729181
What a bad take.

>>24729433
Yes but why always use that same trope?

>>24729743
It's the easiest thing to use if you want ~deep~ and ~conflicted~ female characters.

>>24729737
great book. I've found a bunch of his sons books (that either are written before and after the battle of Gettysburg) but haven't started them yet. hey what's more dorky - reading science fiction or enjoying US Civil War history, which includes but is not limited to - watching documentaries, reading fiction & non-fiction books on the subject, going to battle sites, and most importantly playing hex & counter wargames

>>24729753
Why not a loving doting daddy's girl? They're women authors no way all of them hate their dad

>>24729807
Probably because publishers think such stories wouldn't sell. And I guess a lot of these are YA, so they're aimed at upset teens anyway.

>>24729756
I've read about a dozen of his son's books, though it was nearly two decades ago now. They're not as good, but still better than most historical fiction (which as an aside is super hard to find now, since that's a genre taken over by romance).

My favorites of Jeff's were Gods & Generals and Gone for Soldiers. I didn't care for the WW2 ones, and wasn't impressed with the first western theater ACW book, which was the last I read.

The Old Lion looks really interesting, of the stuff he's released more recently. But then I, like most Americans, fucking love Teddy Roosevelt.

>>24729853
nice, I will throw Gods & Generals further up in my reading queue. I love going to Gettysburg in the fall. talk about cozy

>>24729737
This book was the inspiration for Firefly

>>24729297
>Goodman Horsefag?
Love muh virginia. Love muh Victra. Simple as.

Tor or Del Rey?

Is there anything similar to His master's voice?

>>24729737
>Need zero imagination for setting names battle tactics weaponry outcome or even the ending
Yea lazy fantasy

any series that contains both aliens and dragons?

Is this good?

Im new on /lit, what is the opinion on Brandon Sanderson here?
Ive read Mistborn era 1, Warbreaker and now reading Stormlight Archive. He is hands down the best author i have ever read

>>24730144
You’re gonna get guaranteed replies as it feels like bait. That said, he’s an enjoyable enough author and writes books that are generally consistently enjoyable.

>>24729743
Because it's easier to write what you know.

>>24730011
Instead you have to do painstaking research into the historical era which is actually much harder than just making up whatever you like. There are no fact checkers or academic experts who can gainsay how your imaginary setting works. Even if you make it resemble some real world culture or place you can simply say your imaginary version works differently because reasons and nobody can say anything. But if you actually set your story in, say, 15th century Britain, you will be criticized if you can't portray a convincing version of 15th century Britain.

It's so much easier to just write an extremely lazy pastiche of medieval Europe but with the names changed a little, with stuff that vaguely resembles medieval institutions if you squint and know nothing about history. Basically the way Joe Abercrombie writes fantasy.

>>24730333
GGK also writes fantasy in this way.

>>24730198
That post is obvious bait.

>>24730144
Good attempt at bait, but it doesn't work because of
>he is hands down the best author i have ever read
which makes it too obvious. If you'd kept your praise lighter this might've worked. It's a delicate balance to strike. Keep trying though

>>24730144
Agreed. Anon. Stated

>>24730121
Absolutely hilarious how much Applegate is trying to distance herself from Animorphs.
Still, though, Animorphs slaps, and if she endorses a book I'm gonna give it a shot.

That being said, kid's books are hit-and-miss.

>>24730333
>>24730337
and both are far more renown than Bernard Cornwell

>>24730370
>Bernard Cornwell
Best Historical Fantasy story I have ever read.

>>24730366
>Absolutely hilarious how much Applegate is trying to distance herself from Animorphs.
Why though? What kind of sense does that make for an author to disavow their most popular series which is a nostalgic touchstone for an entire generation?

>>24729106
ive got to say ive been away from here for a few weeks and its nice to see the VictraCHADS still run this general

>>24729043 (OP)
i search fantasy book but very light on the leftism

>>24730458
the preview reads pretty well.

>>24730458
Blurb is clunky. And doesn't really tell me what to expect, except "angsty antihero who works with the dead".

At $10 for paperback you can't make more than, what, $0.50/copy?

Regardless, I've added it to my wishlist, I'll toss a dollar your way at some point. Can't promise I won't DNF it if it's not gripping.

I'm finally reading Hour of the Dragon and it's cool

>>24730489
I’m not really doing this to make money, writing is just a hobby for me. But I wanted a physical copy of my work, and Amazon was the easiest way I found (also as the author I can buy copies for $5)
Thanks for being willing to check it out! I am working on a sequel book, hope to have it out in about a year

>>24730458
Added it to my list on Amazon. I’ve got a backlog of shit I need to read first but I’ll support one of my /sffg/gots

>>24730556
>>24730484
Appreciate it :)

This has been very entertaining. It doesn't matter which male character (warrior or assassin) you self insert into, he gets NTR'd by the main girl.

>>24730144
You'll fit in well with the children in here

>>24729737
>ktheiller angels
What an odd title

>>24730502
you should add rape and guro

>>24730144
magic system

everywhere i go i carry a mass market paperback of a scifi novel in the lower pocket of my cargo shorts
always good to be prepared

>>24730654
What compels someone to buy this?

Kindle says I have ~2 more hours before I finish Marrow, so maybe I'll be able to knock it out tonight
>>24730900
I've been wearing cargo pants for years and haven't once thought to do this. I've failed at autism.

>>24730900
I am very sad that mass market paperbacks are going out of style for SFF books. Ebooks have eaten most of the MMPB readership, so a lot of publishers won't even do MMPB anymore, only trades and hardbacks. It actually costs them basically nothing to make a hardback book compared to a paperback, costing 3x is pure markup.

>>24730502
You should add grapes and euros

>>24730458
Please share the epub, ill rate you on goodreads when I finish so the uneducated mases can feast.

>>24730458
gimme an epub and i'll read it this weekend and leave a review

>>24730458
How have you marketed your book? I've got one myself, about 50% through line editing, and feeling pretty bad about my odds to get any readers.

>>24731044
it can't be as bad as that one anon who tried shilling on here. no one even downloaded his book

Red Rising bros if you care the livestream about whatever the fuck the prequel project is starts in 38 minutes.

>>24731049
live where?

>>24731047
This anon, or knights of valora one?

I downloaded both, but haven't yet read either...

>>24731047
I think he means the one who had the terrible book cover. The one with the trenchcoat guy screaming over a washedout monocolor grey background + some lightening up and to the side.

>>24731094
It was the one with a white flower. That one was just poorly written
>>24731066
Some anon read it and gave it a good review, so not him.

>>24731064
Litescalates on twitch

>>24731108
ended up figuring it out myself but thank you anyway

>>24731108
These people are unwatchable. I will look it up tomorrow instead

>>24731026
>>24731033
Here, hope a MEGA works https://mega.nz/file/t1h0XAqD#9xhqwWREsNwW5-e6nnRob8XDAtJAErBpbQ1UIipGGSs
>>24731044
I put my book up on Royal Road (even though it isn’t really a webnovel), and just by publishing chapter by chapter over about a year I got close to 400 followers. Out of those followers, my stats say that the final chapter has had 160 viewers– assuming at worst fifty of those views are webcrawlers, that means at around 100 people or so might have finished my story (or at least clicked on the latest chapter to see what was going on). I know at least a handful have read it through, as I get some people who comment on my chapters as they’re released and others who left reviews when I asked for them after the epilogue.
So just by publishing online with a very loose upload schedule, I got more viewers than I imagined I would get.
Of course, maybe one person in a hundred will choose to buy a product when they can just read it for free, so I doubt I’ll get any sales from that.
However RR allows people to buy ads to be shown on the website, and it only allows ads to Amazon or to RR pages. I did an ad on RR once out of curiosity, and it got a decent amount of views and click-throughs. So if I were to try and get some Amazon sales, that would definitely be where I’d go to advertise.
Aside from RR, I have a few IRL friends interested in reading it. Because I can buy copies for cheap as shit as the author, I was even considering just trying to sell a couple to local bookstores or even dropping one or two off in those public bookshelves I see around my city.
TLDR I don't really have a plan, but the few readers I've already got make me very happy.

>>24730458
Does it have a hard set magic system?

>>24731222
Did you stub it on RR when you put it on Kindle Unlimited? If not you should, Amazon is ruthless about that and will pull your book.

>>24731222
Thanx anon. I'll reciprocate your kindness with a link to mine after I'm done. Im working on my own novel, only like 45 pages in (4 chapters) and I write like one page a day but its honest work and im enjoying the ride.

>>24731222
i dont know who the fuck you are and i only come here for spooky future sci fi book recs but i think its really cool you published your own book and it sounds interesting and the cover art made me think it was a conan book so thats cool
best of luck with the book anon

>>24730144
That guy last thread who thought Sanderson wrote deeper characters than Dinniman and got real upset about it was funny.
>>24730947
I hope you enjoyed Marrow, anon! The Well of Stars, its sequel, is one of my absolute top favorite sci-fi books.

I just finished Nova by Samuel R. Delany (1968). It was really enjoyable. The writing was great and the story interesting. I enjoyed the detailed but not overdone info dumps about the economics between industry and two main sectors of space, the Pleaides and Draco. The Pleaides are outer rim civilizations taken to by smaller less wealthy organizations, mining outposts, and freighter transit lines, where as Draco is closer to Sol (our Sun). Old money and old space tech corp 'Red Shift' family, led by the heir and son, is involved in a generational economic/technological cat and mouse battle revolving around the universes most prized and expensive material, Irrylium. Used to power jump ships light travel/transportation. Typically mined from reserves left on asteroids or moons orbiting post-nova systems, the material originates from a sun going Nova... and the underdog corp 'Von Ray Enterprises' ambitious son, Lord Von, thinks he's found a way to harvest it... Directly from a sun as it goes Nova.

Highly recommend giving it a read. You can crank it out in like 6-12 hours. It's something like 300ish pages.

>>24731325
I did not, and honestly not sure I even want to since RR is where all interaction comes from. Hopefully if Amazon acts, they’ll just nuke the e-book version. Thanks for the warning, I’ll have to look into this
>>24731341
I lurk these threads often enough, I’ll keep an eye anon, good luck!
>>24731420
Thanks, appreciate it. I love swords and sorcery art

>>24730144
I just started reading Way of Kings, around page 90 or so.

I find it infinitely funny that the book is so /autism/ coded, and the guy had such low expectations for his special-needs reader base that fucking "emotion sprites" (get it? sprites, like in your vidya xd) spawn and dance around characters where they are afraid / in pain like its some sort of fucking MOBA debuff.

Also, the chapter about Shalla(?) arriving at the bell city read almost EXACTLY like the chapter about the protag of Heresy arriving at the trade city, this comparison has probably never been formulated since no one even rememvers the Heresy books these days, buts its completely outrateous how much Sandy boy has stolen from it, even down to the fact that:
1) Both are Prince and Princess of their respective houses
2) Their character's motivations are setting a sort of trade agreement to save their houses.
3) We are told this city is very much protected from the raging storms, (in Heresy the world is besieged by a constant storm)
4) Our pov is mildly devout to the "baseline" faith and recalls times when it provided them with comfort.
Also, we are told over and over again the sister of the queen she is looking for is a heretic, which admittedly only made it funnier.

I fully believe he took "inspiration" from it since Audley is rather obscure and in his lectures he behemently supports "stealing" (hes words, not mine). I find it hilarious because Heresy was a good YA book back in 2009 or so (I was 14 or so when I read it) but I can only wonder if it was ahead of its time, since looking at it now, it's poorly voted and people lambast it by saying it was "too wordy", at an absurd... wait for it... 350 pages, lmao.

>>24731318
There are two magic styles completely separate from each other, one hard and one soft. I explain the magic in the epigraphs of the chapters, but the quick rundown is that the common, hard magic system involves animals and DNA– turning into animals, creating hybrid monsters, forming bonds, and seeing through the eyes of animals, so on and so forth. It runs off caloric energy, so although the potential is through the roof, and this type of magic is commonplace, it’s limited by food and expenses. Picrel is a hybrid of a turkey vulture and an alligator, along with a few other scraps of animal DNA thrown into the mix, to increase mass and intelligence
The soft magic system is elemental. There isn't a set limit as to what can be done with the different elements, and no clear source of where power is drawn from. It sort of just is, and few understand why

>>24730387
Did you read the second or the third book in the series? So are they worth reading and how do they compare and quality to the first?

>>24731475
I don't read things by pedophiles degenerates

>>24731538
I don't know a single thing about an author or entertainer's personal life and even if I did it wouldn't stop me from enjoying their art. I'm not a gossiping woman so I suppose that factors into my adversion from faggotry and female tendencies.

I appreciate your non-response, nonetheless. Have a great evening

>>24731574
Read Hogg by the same author then get back to me
>evening
In real countries it's 2:09pm

After Time Machine and War what else do I read from Wells?

I don't give a FUCK about spinoffs until Red God is finished. The fuck is Pierce Brown doing?

I'm going to write a contemporary fantasy where clan McDonald's after defeating Wendy's, Burger King, and hack in the box, now must do battle against the rise of clan Shake Shack, in and out, whataburger, and farmers.

Their old empire slowly crumbles until the upstart Wagie, with his magic in keeping McDonald's fries hot for 10 minutes allows the old empire to flourish once again.

>>24731602
He's hustlin
But seriously it seems like you can't succeed without doing a bunch of gimmicky promo shit. Selfpub spinoffs, special editions, etc. No wonder Bakker vanished, he's too little of a self promoter to survive in the industry now.

>>24731574
Tough luck, 90% of these threads are made up of gossiping "women".

>>24731789
So you haven't read his other book Hogg

>>24731574
You and me brother, I'll go further and say that with few exeptions, I'll forget the name of the author in a month tops (everyone in my family is like this).

Red Rising bros... what the FUCK is this?

https://shit-escalates.com/

>>24729734
>I enjoyed permutation city with only a bachelor's in finance, while semi-regularly having sex.
No contradiction. I also enjoyed some of Egan's works while having a plenty of sex, yet still we should not have read him.

Is Tau Zero any good?

I listened to the first WoT book at work. I liked it
that's all

I just finished City of Stairs and found it really enjoyable. It's an interesting setting in fantasy. A post colonial world where the oppressed killed the oppressors gods and now rule instead ina city that is a character as much as anything else.

I love lore dumps in my books and this kept me going with a lengthy set up which paid off in an interesting way. It's equal parts fantasy and political thriller with bits of horror too. Solid book and I'd recommend it. 4/5. Will check out the sequels next.

>>24732052
No.

>>24732135
Wyt ppl dont sesun they stairs frfr

>>24731222
>chapter 1
>mc is about to go an adventure with some female
Is this some gooner lit? Romantasy? Surely mc is capable enough to adventure on his own and does need a women holding his hand all the time

I almost put it down towards the beginning where they praised black over whites and calling them humble and shit. Lmao these mfs never lived near them.

>>24732228
>why isn't this book from 1967 consistent with how niggers behave on tiktok in 2025???
>it's not like anything of substance changed since then

>>24732228
>reeee this schizophrenic author isn’t racist like the funny schizophrenic programmer i pretended to care about ten years ago!!!

>>24732222
Are you 12?

>>24732222
It isn't romance, nor goonlit

>>24732343
I am 35 years old.

>>24730387
Lol, really enjoyed the 1st book.
>>24731527
So, I might be autistic. After reading the first one, I decided to pick up the the second and third, but the 3/4s into the second one, I got so tilted by the direction a certain character was going, that I had to take a 'break' from it. It's been years, and every time I come back, I just get upset. It's honestly been like 5 years now, and I probably read 5 pages a year. It's going to take me 50 years to get through these books. But if you want something comfy, I'd read them.

>>24732570
Grim
>>24732594
can you read the first one standalone without getting cliffhangered?

>>24732570
34 here. for me it's Reynolds and Egan and Dick and le Guin and Wolfe and Banks

ITS OUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJOwUD1oTo

>>24732905
>11 hours
Damn.

>>24732905
Kys

Red Rising is just Code Geass in space

>>24732765
Based (except for le Guin)

>>24732250
Niggers have not changed in the last 10k years lol

>>24733167
jews brought cavemen into modern world. Not compatible with the west and we are seeing the consequences.

I remember enjoying these when I was in high school 15+ years ago but trying to reread(listen) to them now they're boring me to tears and the dialogue is extremely cringy.

>>24733339
Butcher should try his hand at webnovels/litrpg/xianxia

>>24733339
>stormfront
UH BASED KEKISTANI KNOWER

>>24730427
Horse.

>>24730955
Why does the dungeon crawler carl paperback cost more than the hardcover. With all due respect, that doesn't really seem like a hardcover kinda book.

Are there any good examples of science fiction and fantasy combined?

>>24733442
Escaflowne

>>24733460
he said good
For that you'd want Galient

>>24731527
I have finished all three. They take a dip in quality but are still pretty good. You can stop after the first one if you want.

>>24733442
why does this keep getting asked? It was talked about last thread. There are tons of examples.

>>24733339
murphy is the worst part of the books, ruins every one she is in

>>24733339
I like 'em. They're not anywhere close to great literature, but I enjoy them for what they are. Excited for the next volume coming out soon. My only beef with them is that Butcher continually ramps up the stakes so high that it's hard to get invested. I prefer the earlier books where it's just Harry solving mysteries and I wished he had stuck to that instead of making every book about Harry facing some kind of world-ending threat.

this is like… really profound

>straightforward story about a man who is already psychologically destroyed getting hit on the head and having delusions
>time slip delusion colors his reminisces and traces them as his already lonely life gets even more lonely
>this is spelled out for the reader in the bookstore and the last scene in the alien zoo
Why is this considered science fiction again

>>24733636
While the "muh society" angle is corny, after watching a lot of spooky camping and urban exploration videos, I actually agree with this in a different level: Being in an isolated place with potential crazy people is genuinely scary.

I preferred the artform in Pattern Recognition, hunting for video clips posted at random on the Internet. It felt much more realistic than this augmented reality 3D model - cum - sculpting going on in this one. I think he probably got way too into reading tech magazines and trying to keep up with things that were going on after basically winging it with Neuromancer. The prose also feels extremely clinical, although that might just be the way I'm getting it on the page in this stupid hardback which obviously wasn't read by the guy that owned it before me with the words really small and the gaps between them really big and the paper too smooth. Maybe it makes me a poser but the literal act of reading a book is important to the experience, it's why audio and e-books don't count.
The real problem with Gibson constantly telling three stories at the same time and then tying them up at the end is that, 100 pages in, it still feels like none of them are getting anywhere because they keep getting interrupted so I can't tell if I'm invested or not, which means I'm probably not.

>>24733435
We Victrafags honor your tenacity, horsefag.

>>24733745
We have the best girls, don't we folks?

>>24733780
>>24733745
Apollonius is the true best girl
all other women need not apply

>>24733438
Availability. Any any book is a hardcover book if the publisher decides it is. It doesn't cost any more to make them really.

>>24733442
The Pastel City and A Storm of Wings
The Deep and Engine Summer
The Dying Earth and The Dragon Masters
The Book of the New Sun

>>24733435
>>24733780
For me it's Lyria of Lagalos.

Recently started getting backed into reading after college killed my motivation to for awhile.
So far I read the first book of the Expanse series, got bored of it since I've seen the show.
Read Diaspora, Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, greatly enjoyed all of those.
Read Project Hail Mary, it was alright, but kinda seemed aimed at normies.
Most recently read Three Body Problem trilogy, was also pretty enjoyable.

Now I'm deciding between the Xelee series, Revelation Space, Children of Time, and Blindsight... what should I read anons?

So I've not read much sci fi so forgive the dumb phrasing of this question please, but what is, for intention of influence, import and impact considered the Lord of the Rings of Sci Fi? I'm assuming something Asimov?

>>24733915
Not a waifu at all but I enjoyed her story and POV. All of the new characters were fun

>>24733952
Dune.

>>24734017
>Not a waifu at all
If she was good enough for Cassius she's good enough for you.

>>24733952
In terms of an inflection point, I'd have to agree and say Dune. You could point to that and Dangerous Visions as kicking off the New Wave of Science Fiction, and well, more people remember Dune than any given story from the anthology. There's nothing quite like Lord of the Rings, you could argue that Tolkien crystallized the genre versus even the Big Three (Heinlein, Asimov, Clark) who just flavored it and were foci in the writing networks of the time.

As a thought experiment though I suppose I can accommodate your guess of Asimov. The Foundation series exploded a lot of cliches that have just become part of the genre. The city planet of Trantor, the Ecumene of the Galactic Empire in decline, psychohistory being an application of psychology to the extreme, high tech scientists trading tech, mutant psychics. There's a density there that I think few works can match, but to my reckoning the influence was more of a deepening of the themes of the time rather than the seachange of Dune.

>>24734106
Yea I didn't think there was anything that so cemented what the genre actually was the way Tolkien did fantasy. When you say Fantasy there's kind of an image that automatically clicks on. It's not absolute but there's something definite. Sci Fi seems to vary a lot more. Some people will, arguably erroneously, say Star Wars, some will say Trek, Dune, you dig deeper and Asimov, Niven and Heinlein are all unique in their ideas and themes. There's space and ships and such but that feels more nebulous all the same.

>>24734079
Cassius would sheathe his razor in anything with a pulse tbqhwy

>>24733952
>>24734106
The only reason Asimov is well known and "highly regarded" is because he is jewish. He wasnt a good writer and his infuence was minimal at best. From the same period, the likes of John Wyndham were more influential than he is, but since John was white and British the jewish owned media tries to push lesser authors from the tribe like Asimov.

are any of the Star Trek novels good? The Wars novels tend to get a lot of attention but I don't think I've ever seen anyone go on about the Trek ones

>>24734079
Cassius felt like a protective big brother to her. He's a lonely man who just wants to love and protect all. Now Alexander and Rhonna... that is the based red/gold race mixing of the series AND FUCK YOU LYSANDER. YOU MUST DIE.

>>24734128
Asimov completely lost his fucking mind. He'd probably LOVE the Foundation TV show.

everyone knows it's Clarke, not Asimov

>>24733952
Probably The Time Machine, or maybe something else by H. G. Wells.

>>24734128
>dies of AIDS from a "blood transfusion"
>son had 9001tb of child porn (sign of having been touched)
>friends with Arthur C. Clarke the Terror of Sri Lanka
>big in SFWA
I assume he also had... other networks

>>24734268
>the terror of sri lanka
What did xhe mean by this?

>>24733952
Science fiction is a subset of fantasy so the Lord of the Rings of scifi is the Lord of the Rings, which does a lot of experimental and creative philology (a true science) for those with eyes to see.

Is it still worth reading Planet of the Apes if I know the twist?

I'm looking for some new author rec's. Currently my favorite is China Mieville. I also like Vandermeer, though I feel like he has a tendancy to get lost in the weeds a little bit which brings him down a bit. I'm also quite fond of Stephen King, I know he gets a lot of hate but its so easy to read, but lately i've been noticing it feels like there's a lot of overlap in his books, I dont really know how to describe it, but the formula for establishing characters and worlds feels very same-y. please don't say Mervyn Peake, because I read through Titus Groan and couldnt bring myself to start Gormenghast because it felt like he took a million pages to say fuck all. also, for reference, I really enjoyed The Magus by John Fowles, even though it doesnt really fit the Sffg category there was still some whimsicality to it. I also quite enjoyed the Black Company, but stopped halfway through like book 8 because I kind of lost interest in the characters.

anyone read What Good Is A Glass Dagger?
got anything good or bad to say about it?

>>24734303
Well what good IS a glass dagger

>>24731501
I appreciate your comment, afaik you are the first to show BS references Heresy never read it myself but those bullet points are 100% shallans intro arc

>>24734289
Not read it but knowing a twist shouldn't stop you from reading it. It can be a way for you to spot the twist in the writing before it's revealed. Likewise, you wouldn't not watch the Empire Strikes Back if you were told Vader is Luke's father.

>>24733952
Dick shat on everything the Big Three put out.
>>24734272
Clarke moved to Sri Lanka to fuck prepubescent twink boys.

>>24734510
The so-called big three were only "big" because one was a jew, the second was a pedo homo and the third wrote pro-war garbage to encourage the american youth to fight wars for Israel.

>>24734498
wtf he is?

>>24734512
You don't have to convince me of their lack of quality, my friend.

>>24734284
No, you fucking retard. Science fiction is that which introduces the novum (new thing) as a central element of the story, whether that be new technology, new science concept, new social dynamics, what have you. Fantasy is about returning the old and the mystical and unexplained. Science fiction is fundamentally forward-thinking, whereas fantasy is fundamentally backward-looking; one is not the subset of the other, they are opposites.

>>24734512
Clarke is
So
Fucking
Boring.
>Hurr durr itsy bitsy anon got filtered by a real SF writer.

No, I've read the hardest hard sci-fi has to offer. Im 90% I experienced ego death trying to slog through randevouz with Rama. Stanislaw Lem just clears this human scarecrow out of the water, even writing both of their names on the same post feels wrong. A witless gearbrained golem vs an actual engineer full of passion for the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8pVZ5hTGJQ

It was an early morning yesterday
I was up before the dawn
And I really have enjoyed Ishuäl
But I must be moving on

Like Prince that comes from nothing
Like a Prophet no one knows
I'm an early mornin' Dûnyain
And I must be movin' on

Now you believe in what I say
To me you're exactly as you seem
But I have to have things my own way
To keep me in my Dreams

Like a Sranc without its black seed
Like Nansur without its plains
Just the thought of that bad Consult
Sends a shiver through my veins

And I will go on shining
Shining halos oh so gold
I'll never look behind me
‘Cause there’s a head upon a pole

Goodbye Leweth, it's been nice
Sad to leave you in the ice
Easy to grasp your point of view
You world-born children have no clue

Goodbye Serwë, goodbye Babe
Wish I could tell you that you’re saved

Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain
Sweet devotion (Goodbye Cnaiür)
It's not for me (Goodbye Dad)
Just give me Gnosis (Think I’m goin’)
To set me free (Goin’ mad)
Towards the gold Horns (Feel no sorrow)
Far away (Feel no shame)
It's the life I've chosen (Come tomorrow)
Every day (Feel no pain)

So goodbye Saubon
So goodbye Proy
Will the whole World
Be destroyed?

Now some are true and some are false
But I can always tell
And some are spies, we call ‘em Things
I suppose it's just as well

You can laugh at my behaviour
And that'll never bother me
Say Ajokli is my saviour
But I don't pay no heed

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
No one can come close to me
Since I'm the greatest of the Few

Goodbye Akka, it's been nice
Shame you won't find paradise
Tried to see your point of view
Too bad your Dreams will all come true

Goodbye Esmi, goodbye all
Must my whole life end in salt?
Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain

>>24734606
"Forward" and "backward" on what scale? One of the biggest obsessions of New Wave science fiction was a return to matriarchal sexual dynamics, where people "stop freaking out" about who has sex with who and the superior man can collect a harem; Stranger in a Strange Land is basically a polemic where a messiah figure arrives to drag us back. The relatively recent social technology of monogamous marriage is rejected as something "old" to be replaced by the "new" mud hut ethics.
Meanwhile Lord of the Rings is a parable, dressed in the robes of several different ancient traditions found interesting by the intelligentsia of the time, of the power of egregores, propaganda, alignment, action under a surveillance state, trauma, and many things nobody found interesting before 1900 at all. It is literally about the dangers of the novum, and several of them, if you read it and are literate, unlike the "forward-thinking" Grok Is This True which is about how much better ancient sex was.

That said, both are about crazy fancies that are never going to happen, the difference between knights and spaceships is setting, not genre.

>>24734606
This is such a stupid, reductionist view of both genres I can only conclude you haven't actually read very much of either.

>book of lorn
>not a book
wtf pierce

Just finished To Green Angel Tower last night. Such a good book. Long as fuck but very, very good and satisfying. Not to throw a stray at Wheel of Time but it's pretty fascinating how Tad said so much in 3 books while Jordan managed to meander for almost 6 books (if you're being generous).

I'm taking a bit of a break from fantasy, most likely, although I'm considering going straight into Brothers of the Wind and then taking the break. I spent most of this summer in the world of Memory, Sorrow & Thorn. We'll see.

>>24730480
Hard to find after the 80s and even in the 80s there were the beginnings of leftie-shit seeping in. Look for pre-Tolkien, Tolkien contemporaries and some that came after him that managed to not be preachy.

If I dedicated my whole life to it, do you think I could read every American science fiction novel published between January 1, 1930 and December 31, 1999?

>>24735238
I highly recommend you continue the rest of the Osten Ard story. Start with the bridge novel "The Heart of What Was Lost", which takes place around 6 months after the end of "To the Green Tower". When you're done with that start with The Last King of Osten Ard (4 books). Trust me its worth it and just as solid. I read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn around 15 years ago and had to reread them again as the new series continues in the same world (24 years later).

>>24735269
How old are you?

>>24735269
No because there are so many books that you are probably not aware of/be able to find, therefore you’ll fail your task and have to commit seppuku

I'll be honest, I haven't read a fantasy book since I was a kid with the Percy Jackson books and The Hobbit so in a sense fantasy have always been subconsciously categorized as 'kid books' to me.
I'm trying to give them another shot so what would you recommend? I like history, horror and general literary fiction so I'm thinking something like dark fantasy. I've got a few titles I've been eyeing but I wanted /sffg/'s input as well

>>24735451
What have you been eying up? There is a lot of grim dark stuff that varies in maturity. Some like mistborn/broken empire are more closer to young adult books and will be a quicker read. At the other end there is stuff like malazan which is more complex and adult.

>>24735461
I've always been interested in trying Game of Thrones; I watched the first season eons ago but never finished.
The Once and Future King seems like it'd be up my alley seeing as Arthurian tales are classics and whatnot.
Peter Straub's Shadowland and Clive Barker's Weaveworld, both authors whose horror works I've enjoyed, seem like shoe ins as well.
Last Call by Tim Powers is interesting because I hear it deals with Tarot shit and I love conspiracies like Foucault's Pendulum among other things.
The Elric series/books were recommended by a friend and his recs haven't failed me yet.
I'm definitely looking for something more mature; I had the same opinion about sci fi that I do about fantasy until I recently started reading Connie Willis' Doomsday Book which has been beyond excellent

>>24735471
Thomas Covenant's right down your alley, you degenerate

>>24735471
Game of Thrones is good start especially if you enjoyed the first season. Be aware though that it is an incomplete series and will never be finished.

>>24735471
Try R Scott Bakker.

>>24735485
I've heard of these books before and they actually seemed kind of interesting lol
I can't tell if you're memeing because they're shit or not but I may give these a shot sooner rather than later

>>24735507
Isn't he known for writing gore and weird sex shit? I don't really know if that's what I'm looking for.
Something well written and engaging like Doomsday Book would be ideal

>>24735507
nogod series WHEN

>>24735507
Ignore this

>>24735507
Acknowledge this

Anyone have recommendations similar to the Cradle Series? I've looked myself but most of the similar stories I've tried don't really hit the same and often just made me appreciate it more.

>>24735526
> Isn't he known for writing gore and weird sex shit?
No, its not as bad as booktube makes it. Unless youre a woman, you shouldnt be offended by his writing.
> Something well written and engaging
Bakker arguably wrote one of the most engaging fantasy worlds in recent years.

For the love of God if you make an Isekai story give the character a notable reaction to suddenly finding they're in another world with no way home. Is that really too much?

>>24735579
what do you want them to cry or something

>>24735581
They should be so upset at having lost their life from before that they don't enjoy anything, and should make sure to reference in every conversation how much they want to go home.

>>24735584
I'm sure that would be riveting fiction.

>>24734781
>hardest hard sci-fi has to offer
Any recs?
>>24734895
For me it's Crime of the Century

>>24735586
Especially if they are, personally, complete ciphers who exist to ferry the viewers to more interesting places and characters and occasionally interject memes from the author.

I finished The City and the Stars. It had some nice ideas but it was so dull overall I couldn't even find the revelation shocking or anything. I'm not sure whether it was the writing or the translation I read, but I just couldn't get into it. I found the human recycling in Diaspar quite interesting but for some reason what stayed with me was the fact that its inhabitants had no teeth and nails. Kind of weird to imagine a toothless protagonist.
Ironically, what I enjoyed the most was what was left unsaid - the planet of the Seven Suns with that ship, whatever the ancestors were looking for beyond the Galaxy, the future death of the Black Sun. I felt that the book said too much (it didn't really) or just said whatever it said in a less than captivating way. The characters didn't help either, I expected Alvin to have more of a personality, but Jeserac turned out more interesting in my opinion. And speaking of which, naming the protagonist ALVIN was ridiculous. Alvin.

>eleven anons bought it
Thanks gents, genuinely means a lot to me

>>24735632
I'd read it if it was called Under A White Sun instead

>>24735636
It should be Dead above a White Moon.

>>24735581
Maybe, or they can cheer, or they can be baffled speechless, or they can swing on the person who put them in this situation, or be explicitly stoic or apathetic. You know, something that actually shows the read who the main character is in what's usually the initial and among the most important scenes of the story.

>>24735636
>>24735643
My title pattern is Born Under, Raised Under, Died Under. Book two that I’m working on is Raised Under Dark Waves. Book three is is Died Under…. Something. I have a few ideas. Foul Dirt, maybe. Something to do with war

>>24735632
based

>>24735666
Not bad, Writer Satan, good luck on your work.

>>24735579
>if you make an Isekai story
How about no

>>24735579
The only good isekai is Digimon Adventure 01
>b-but le now and then
Nope
>b-but le inuyasha
LMAO
>b-b-but le wholesome and just a little bit """"""""spicy""""" konosuba that has just enough sex references to be adult but not enough to be heckin creepy
Absolutely not
>b-but le aura battler
Fuck no

>>24735739
Guess again cornflakes

>>24735771
I've still yet to see Rayearth, I've been burned horribly before by the promise of fantasy mecha when I watched Escaflowne

>>24735777
How did you not like escaflowne?

>>24735786
hate women, shrimple as
I don't care if this track and field bitch is going to get fucked by this other guy

Is Endymion as good as Hyperion Cantos?

>>24735735
I expect it on my desk by next week.

>>24735787
I knew it was going to be misogyny

>>24735810
oh my heckin science you MUST care about some random bitch riding the cock carousel

>>24735814
Lol you're not supposed to self insert as Van or Allen

>>24735787
r-tard

>>24735340
Oh trust me, I know. This is my reread of MS&T in preparation to also reread TLKoOA which I had read up until Into the Narrowdark back in 2023, which I really loved. The only reason I don't dive right into the other books is that it's a big time commitment, plus Last King feels a bit too recent for me. I'm just deciding if I want a quick palette change before returning to Osten Ard, as much as I love Tad.

>>24735632
happy for you, anon. I'll have to go into self-publishing most likely, too. My story is a sort of fairy tale, leaning more towards comfy/horror and pre-Tolkien territory. I'll get around to that soon.

>>24735739
What about Haibane Renmei?

Initiate Brother is one of my favorite novels and I don't like pretending otherwise.

>>24734297
I bet youd like GRRMs Fevre Dream

>>24735451
A Song of Ice and Fire
The Broken Sword
The Coming of Conan

>>24735522
NTA but they're very good. First 3 are all stand alone with an overarching plot. Second trilogy is basically one big story. Third whateverlogy is meh, and written 30+ years later.

>>24735632
Started it. Initial impressions are very good world building, cardboard cutout characters, paint-by-numbers plot. Readable, if not outstanding. But only about 30% thru it.

>>24735797
Fuck no. It's like someone else wrote it.

Hyperion is a bona fide classic. Book 2 is solid enough. Each subsequent book has a similar drop in quality from the previous as 2 has to 1.

>>24735797
just go read The Terror

>>24735451
>I like history, horror and general literary fiction

give the Silmarillion a try. It is slow going at the start but worth the effort.

Game of Thrones is adequate but unfinished. Fire & Blood is better but I'm not sure it works as a standalone/without the context of GOT.

While not fantasy persay you might also engage positively with some Neal Stephenson novels. The Baroque Cycle, Anathem, and Cryptonomicon are good. His earlier work and more recent work are more hit & miss.

Ken Follett maybe. Again, not fantasy.

>>24735588
>Dragon's Egg by Forward
So autistic it even comes with an a´´endix and diagrams
>Permutation city by greg Egan,
A melange of speculative science, pretty ambitious.
>Idk, something like Fiasco by Lem?
Its basically autism porn. I much prefer his more comedic works, which remain though provoking while being basically Sci fi fairy tales, If you haven't read The Cyberiad you are not reading Sci Fi, its an anthology so you'll figure out if its your speed by the first tale, the Dragons of Probability.
>Three body Problem is soullessly written, as all translated chinise works I've read, but the Sophon is undeniably a very cool concept.

>>24735631
Another soul baited by Clarke. I weep, for we are but flies in the webs spun by the ghost of long dead retard astroturfers.

>>24733934
Foundation is mandatory if you are into Sci-Fi

Is this series good?

>>24736549
Looks interesting I have downloaded it, thanks anon

>>24736552
Yes its really good. Also Jack Vance is always a safe bet, I dont think he's written any bad books.

>>24736552
Understand Jack Vance in this mode as someone who constructs the setting as a bejeweled manse devoted solely for characters to luxuriate in as they dogfight verbally. The Ecumene is a wonderful mix of cultures that are well examined and create interesting situations for Kirth Gersen to navigate. The mission statement of the series I feel is summarized in one of those in-universe lore blurbs he loved to put in. A pioneer discovered and named the 26 planets of a concourse the series takes place in. He named each one a serious, inspiring name. A clerk read this, decided that was insipid and renamed Endeavour, Allegiance, etc to stuff like Teehalt's Planet and Darsh that were what the clerk felt High Adventure and more fun. History fell in love with the latter, to the explorer's dismay.

>>24736591
AI post.

>>24736549
I dont think there is such thing as mandatory sci-fi. Foundation just reads as a dated and boring book, and is extremely overrated because the writer is from the tribe. There are better classic books from that era that I would recommend e.g. Earth Abides and The Day of the Triffids.

>4 years later
>no sequel to Master of Djinn
>Grave Empire is less popular than Justice of Kings, the author's previous trilogy
Steampunk bros...

>>24736552
I really enjoyed it. It's a slow burn but there's always something different going on, in one volume he'll be trying to corner a frontier planet's stock market, in another he'll be building a giant centipede flamethrower death machine, in another he'll be rescuing a high school reunion, and the whole time he's just a sensitive young man who's doing revenge because he doesn't know what else to do with his life, 10/10.

Foundation TV show is better than the books

I finished Stranger in a Strange Land today. I liked the first half, but felt it went off the rails in the latter half. I'm aware this is not a unique opinion. For me, it was two words that ruined everything afterwards. It was when Mike was discussing the failures of human science and philosophy and adds "-Like Kant-" into a sentence. That took me out of it by showing how the author's overbearing ego shapes the dialogue. It was already clear at that point when characters were acting as mouthpieces for Heinlein's opinions, but up until that point there was at least an attempt to elaborate on the ideas being discussed and create a sort of Socratic dialogue on the matter. But that line is the philosophical equivalent of a drive-by shooting, an extra two words there just to let you know that Robert Heinlein, the author of the book, thinks Kant was full of shit. I don't even disagree with him on this. But the manner in which he handles it here is so clumsy that I couldn't look at anything else the book says in earnest. Those two words broke anything that remained of the illusion that this book was a dissection of societal norms and not a soapbox for the author's personal beliefs. I would have come to that conclusion anyway had that line not been there, but in that case it would have eroded rather than be shattered. I wish I had known to stop reading at the carnie act and save myself that 300 page slog.

>>24729043 (OP)
Robert Jordan sure liked BDSM and lezdom.

anyone have any recs where the story follows a boxer?

I've just read ASOIAF (as my first fantasy books) and that was mind blowing.
now im looking for something new to hook on, any of these are good? what do u guys recommend?
tried dune but I don't like the setting and characters.

>>24734993
NTA but we've not "returned" to matriarchal sexual dynamics. We likely entered it for the first time. It might look slightly similar to what we had in the past, but it's not the same thing.

>>24736927
Robert Parker's novels about Spenser follow a PI who was formerly a boxer.

>>24737051
Shogun is good. It is long, but that is what some may consider a good problem to have.
I've not read any of the others, so they could be good too.

>>24737051
Red Rising. Get past the first book and it opens up into a larger space opera that some in here have said is like game of thrones in space. Red Rising is more sci-fi than fantasy however. It's also an easy read. You should be able to get through them quickly if you enjoy it.

>>24737051
>Asoiaf
>Mind blowing
?

>>24737102
he did say it's his first fantasy series

>>24737124
>>24737102
which fantasy book will blow my mind more bros

>>24737126
if it blows your mind anon, it blows your mind. Enjoy books for yourself and not what others tell you

>>24737068
>Shogun is long
Long? Long?! Long?!?!?!?!

It's way too short. The book is peppered with plot threads sure an entire book series that all get left out to dry, because the author randomly decided to finish the story instead.
It has phenomenal worldbuilding, the characters are interesting, and the plot is great too right until you realize that the story is ending and all those satisfying plot hooks were left to hang dry. Somebody should rewrite the story and add all the parts that are missing. Things like pirates at Macao, getting a crew together, living with his wives, what the reaction of that other dude is after he took his wife. All of that was somehow missing. The real world William Adams did more cool shit than the book version. How the fuck does that even happen? How does an author write such a cool novel, but then bungle the MC's story when it's based on a real life person?

Fuck, I'm still seething from when I got to the end of that book. It was such a cool fucking world to explore. There are so many gimmies about that era too - like the protagonist could've literally met Musashi, the sword master, and it would've been plausible. But nahh.

I seethed so hard I actually forgot to answer the guy.
>>24737051
Shogun is good, but it's not really a fantasy novel. It's more historical fiction, but it feels like fantasy because of how different feudal Japan was from what you expect. It follows the adventure of the real life William Adams - the first Englishman to get to Japan and how he came into the employ of a powerful warlord in Japan.
The worldbuilding is excellent, the characters are great, and the whole thing feels believable. There are so many layers of conflicts in the story, but that makes sense because it's largely modeled after what broadly happened in the region in real life.

>>24737051
If you liked ASOIAF and hated Dune you should try getting recommendations from reddit.

It's better than the book though I am worried about this s2 they're making. I wonder if it'll be an anthology series around the 3 great unifiers of Japan as I'm not sure how they can do a sequel unless they do the rest of the story of Toranaga/Tokugawa Ieyasu

>>24737051

I've read all but shogun.

These are all good books, that being said. Red rising, Blade Itself and the first Earthsea novel are the more YA of the bunch. Earthsea becomes really lonely and contemplative as it goes on, but its a tonal shift not everyone is on board with. The other 2 just become better at what they were trying to do from the start.

If you are looking for something in the line of ASOIAF you'll probably love the first 2 or 3 Hyperion books, and BOTNS. As the prose is more mature. I personally dislike BOTNS protagonist for being a /coolcat/ autist, but the world is fascinating.

>>24736552
The nice thing about this series is that it starts strong and mostly gets better with each book.

>book is called dune
>set on desert planet

>book is called shogun
>there are no gun shows

I love Jack Vance.

are the mass effect novels any good?

>>24737147
I didn't like some aspects of the TV series story. I was really looking forward to Blackthorne vs Omi.
In the book, at the end, Fujiko set up for Blackthorne to get a new wife - Midori. Midori was Omi's previous wife, but he was forced to give her up. Blackthorne also got Kiku as a concubine. Omi was really into Kiku as well (Blackthorne even confused Midori and Kiku initially). This would've set Omi vs Blackthorne up nicely since their domains would border each other as well. This was changed in the TV series. But either way the fucking author ended the book without giving us the showdown.
I would've loved to read the hole Fujiko left in his household too and how he adjusts to the new women.
>>24737191
>Please be on your way.

any novels where the 4th dimension is explored?
got intrigued after reading the three body problem

>>24737337
Define 4th dimension. Typically we talk about living in 3 physical dimensions of space and then a time dimension, but if you're talking about dimensions in abstract then we're living in a 4-dimensional world already. It's just that we can only go in one direction in one of the dimensions.

Mathematically a dimension is just an independent variable attached to something. The number of independent variables determines its dimensionality. Eg you have point A and instead of just x, y, z coordinates it also has a t coordinate. We use 4 dimensions a lot when we try to describe rotations of 3-dimensional objects.

The Three Body Problem likely made up whatever 4th dimension stuff they mentioned, kind of like the name of the book itself. (The three body problem is a real thing, but only in the sense that there's no analytical solution to calculating the motions of three bodies. You can still simulate them to figure out how the planet and suns would move.)

All that is to say: I've got nothing, but you might want to be a bit more explicit with what you mean by exploring the 4th dimension.

Is the culture series good? I’ve only seen players of games mention.

>>24737211
Me too

>>24737372
walking through walls

>>24737147
Nah. The show did my boy Rodrigues dirty. He was so much better in the book.

I've been reading a collection of Brian W. Aldiss stories and so far most of them haven't disappointed. "The Saliva Tree" is now one of my favorite horror stories.

>>24736239
Thanks for reading!

>>24737051
Well if that was your first fantasy then I feel like you have to read LoTR

>>24735797
Every Hyperion book after the first one is dogass. It’s a shame because the first one is incredible

walter
jon
williams

need i say more?

what's your top 3 sci-fi or fantasy books?

>>24737528
Damn that really is a shame. I disagree about Fall of Hyperion though, I quite enjoyed it. I thought it did a good job of wrapping up all the loose ends from the first book. I'm curious what issues you see with the later books?

>>24737580
nta
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=Cantos+simmhttps://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_text=Cantos+simmons&search_tripcode=SFFg&search_ord=old

>>24737399
Honestly everything Banks wrote in the SF genre is very good.

>>24737547
Dune
Lyonesse
Earth Abides

>>24737689
>Earth Abides
THE HAMMER HAS SPOKEN

>>24737147
There are some really good parts in the show.

>>24737706
I really like how it's a simultaneously a downer and hopeful ending.

starting this today, what im in for /lit/bros

>>24737546
mid

>>24737337
The Boy Who Reversed Himself

>>24737689
>Lyonesse
That was such a fun series

>>24737822
it needed more believably competent villains

>>24737439
Ah, like stepping into the 4th dimension to bypass the wall. Basically like drawing a line on paper and then lifting the pen not to intersect with another line.
You could think of it like the travel too: you travel back in time to before the wall was built, then travel forward again.

But I don't really have any recommendations for that one, sorry.

>>24737547
Project Hail Mary
The Martian
Sexy Steampunk Babes

Happy birthday, George R. R. Martin! Congrats on turning 77!

>>24737926
damn he's almost 80? yeah that shit ain't never getting finished

>>24737926
dubs get

>>24737926
Goddamn he's older than I thought. He really does not have much longer does he? If he lives to be 80 I'll be surprised. You fat old faggot just publish the book already. We're not getting the last one but at least do book 6 on your own terms. You know they're going to posthumously publish whatever you've written of it, so just DO IT FAGGOT

>>24737712
Yabu's actor stole the show. Made you love that crazy bastard.

>>24737147
I appreciate that this show introduced a lot of younger people to James Clavell who otherwise never would've read him. Show was pretty great adaptation, too.

>>24737135
Listen man, on one hand, I agree with you.
On the other hand, as a thirty five year old, I'm two sta devs above the mean of the reading population now. What I consider personally long and what is actually long are different.

>>24737372
Isn't the fourth dimension just time?

>>24737097
Horsebro, my goodman