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Anonymous No.24729508 >>24730591 >>24731888 >>24732115 >>24734587
/grrm/ - George R. R. Martin General #89
tyrion stroll edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

old: >>24704184
Anonymous No.24729525 >>24733849
I started re-reading dunk and egg. I'm home again bros.
Anonymous No.24729552
>>24720178
That magic sword can probably kill the monsters
Anonymous No.24729553 >>24729556 >>24729565
Did George design King's Landing with such a retardedly narrow port just so he can have the battle of the blackwater?
Anonymous No.24729556
>>24729553
Haha.....
Anonymous No.24729565
>>24729553
>the kings road leads to a river and not the kings gate
The fuck?
Anonymous No.24729577 >>24729586 >>24729598
Do you think george reads asoiaf reddit/forum posts, watches asoiaf theory videos ?
Anonymous No.24729586
>>24729577
Considering that he hired the people running Westeros.org I'd assume he's at least done that.
Anonymous No.24729598
>>24729577
He said that he used to early on but doesn't anymore because people calling out the twists makes him want to change them.
Anonymous No.24729629 >>24729744 >>24730124 >>24731000 >>24736427
George Shart Shart Fartin is a hack who couldn't write a single story from start to finish if his fat life depended on it
BUT
it's incredibly funny how his mere existence as an author absolutely mindfucks tolkienfags so hard he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7.
For that alone, to witness that absolute tolkienist seethe and coping, gurm's failure of a series is worth liking
Anonymous No.24729744 >>24730124 >>24731429 >>24731438
>>24729629
>it's incredibly funny how his mere existence as an author absolutely mindfucks tolkienfags so hard he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7.
People who brand GRRM as some kind of evil nihilistic anti-Tolkien are usually just cultural warriors who haven't actually read LOTR (or ASOIAF). They just see the "Aragorn's tax policy" quote and assume that he is an evil commie and hates Tolkien (who is le trad, based and racist).
Anonymous No.24729980 >>24729988
>Dance was published in July 2011
>Winds' original first deadline was October 2015
>next month we hit 10 years past the due date

Barring another pandemic, it's actually over, isn't it?
Anonymous No.24729988 >>24730634
>>24729980
Friendly reminder that in the 14 years we haven't seen a single preview chapter that wasn't already a leftover from the earlier books.

It's been over for a long time.
Anonymous No.24729991
But hey, that 1995 Wild Card's book got a rerelease with a new title so it doesn't sound like it's associated with the Orange Man. Why aren't you happy for new Gurm releases?
Anonymous No.24729996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaHx4bq_3rI

Turns out we should've all abandoned ship when Glidus made the following short:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AE98eywoQI
Anonymous No.24730003
Sandkings 2 will save /grrm/
Anonymous No.24730054 >>24730068 >>24730070
rarely do people discuss non-asoiaf works of martin, though it may be surprising that before writing got, he was working on his magnus opus in the 1000 world settings, avalon

here's the most i could find from wertzone:

>Avalon (started 1991)
Martin was 100-odd pages into writing Avalon, a big SF epic set on one of the most notable planets in his Thousand Worlds setting, when he was distracted by an idea he'd had about a deserter being beheaded in the snow, watched by a young boy and his family. That led to a tangent which, over a quarter of century later, remains unfinished. It's unclear if Martin seriously plans to finish Avalon once A Song of Ice and Fire is completed, but it's also notable that Martin has never published the material he had completed for the book (unlike his other unfinished novel, Black and White and Red All Over), suggesting he may have some plans for it in the future.

https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-compleat-george-rr-martin.html

if you have not read his 1000 world books, the setting is that humans got into a two way war with 2 alien species and all sides resorted to biological warfare in some capacity to defeat the other, after many years, a truce was called between all the 3 parties, but in the interim of the war, many planets that had been settled by humans had been reduced to iron age or even bronze age civilisations but with weird sci fi twists, and this era is where most of his stories are set, in the interregnum

avalon was the capital of the manrealm after all the wars had abated, and one that was still technologically competent unlike many other settlements, and this was were his story was to be set

a very long line of what if separates us from avalon, but wert does mention that martin never cannibalised material of this work into any other, so maybe in the future
Anonymous No.24730068 >>24730102
>>24730054
Does that also have page long descriptions of the food they eat while grease drips down their chins?
Anonymous No.24730070 >>24730109 >>24733854
>>24730054
I really wish someone would ask him what his plot idea was for Avalon instead of "Hey George what advice would you suggest for new writers? :)" and other shit he gets asked repetitively at conventions.

>many planets that had been settled by humans had been reduced to iron age or even bronze age civilisations but with weird sci fi twists, and this era is where most of his stories are set, in the interregnum
btw, this is why for the longest time people held onto the belief that ASOIAF was set in the Thousand Worlds.
Anonymous No.24730102
>>24730068
this is how in the house of the worm starts:

>For ages past remembering, the House of the Worm had been lost in
decay, and that was as it should be, for decay is but one name of the
White Worm himself. So the yaga-la-hai, the worm-children, only smiled
and went on as always, though the tapestries rotted on the walls of their
endless burrows and their numbers dwindled each year, though meat grew
ever more scarce, and the very stone around them turned to dust. In the
high burrows with slit windows, awash with the red dimness of the vast
dying ember above, they came and went and lived their lives. They tended
their torches and held their masques, and made the sign of the worm
whenever they passed near the dark windowless burrows where the
grouns were said to mutter and lie in wait (for the halls and tunnels of the
House of the Worm were reputed to be infinite, descending as far below
the earth as the black sky ascends above, and the yaga-la-hai claimed only
a few of its many ancient chambers).

more than anything it is melancholy that is heavy in most of his works, its not all that appreciable in asoiaf
Anonymous No.24730109 >>24731018
>>24730070
yeah, someone needs to ask him about avalon, most people who end up going to the convention are for the most parts "super" fans, and they dont really show any appreciation of his earlier works

another could be how the failure of the armageddon rag led to his growth as a writer, as he is markedly different writer pre- and post- armageddon rag

or something about windhaven and whether he intends to write in collab with lisa tuttle again, so many things to ask, but wasted on the hip crowd

>btw, this is why for the longest time people held onto the belief that ASOIAF was set in the Thousand Worlds.

i still think that it is, a very obvious one

the comet / spaceship from tuf that gives rise to diseases and parasites when in orbit, and jorah's torch and the coming of the dragons
Anonymous No.24730124 >>24730166 >>24730739
>>24729629
>>24729744
Gotta love the coping insecurity Tolkien causes lil contrarians like you lmao
Anonymous No.24730166 >>24730644
>>24730124
case in point
Anonymous No.24730177 >>24730703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxhX_Ct9f-4

The worldcon panel is finally up btw

I'm stuck sick at home, so I'm gonna watch it and I'll write up some highlights, I wanna know if Gurm really shits on christianity/mormonism or not lol
Anonymous No.24730202 >>24730214
Anonymous No.24730214
>>24730202
They don't seem to be doing very good job.
Anonymous No.24730297
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
Anonymous No.24730591
>>24729508 (OP)
I like this basedboys videos
https://www.youtube.com/@somethingtotacobout5565
30 minute vids on minor characters, perfect shit to sleep to
Anonymous No.24730625 >>24730630
If he doesnโ€™t end up on the throne I will actually kill myself. Riverlands need a fuarking king.
Anonymous No.24730630
>>24730625
Edmure is so based bros. Fuck Robb for not properly communicating.
Anonymous No.24730634 >>24730640
>>24729988
Odds are 1/5th of him "muh 1200 winds pages" are just leftovers from dance to make it even grimmer
Anonymous No.24730640
>>24730634
His editor complained like 12 years ago that she's only received what was required for the fat mans advance and she gave the exact page number she had got which was pretty much exactly what the leftover previews consisted of.

We haven't got an update from her since that.
Anonymous No.24730644
>>24730166
no u
Anonymous No.24730649
It's impossible for another series to surpass ASOIAF, isn't it?
Anonymous No.24730650 >>24730666
Fuck it. Never release winds. Make a tabletop or a video game with ten different endings
Anonymous No.24730666
>>24730650
>GRRM forces CMON to do a narrative campaign of their ASOIAF wargame and the result is the canon ending of the books
Anonymous No.24730703
>>24730177
Honestly George didn't say anything too offensive. He did go off about how hard magic sucks but I don't think he said anything controversial.

I think the mormon comment got cut, if it even happened. He says something along the lines of "Yeah I figured out Santa didn't exist when I was 7. But worse, a year later I started applying the same logic to Jesus" and then Ryan Cahill made a joke to diffuse the whole conversation. Honestly he had some pretty good comments in this thing overall, maybe I'll check out one of his books.

To summarize
>how Tolkien changed worldbuilding and how Dunsany and Howard now pale in comparison today in regards to believable worlds (also how romantasy has led to a regression in the quality of worldbuilding)
>How the publishing industry learned the wrong lessons from the success of Tolkien
>Terry Goodkind made it big solely because Robert Jordan missed a deadline
>research is important to immersion, e.g. George talked to paraplegics when writing Bran in AGoT, but got fucking destroyed by winemakers for putting the Arbor on an island.
>how fucked the current state of fantasy television
>Brandon Sanderson roasted an editor by name for saying "No one wants to read about vampires" the year before Twilight was published.
>how self-publishing has changed fantasy writing
>chasing fads is bad, write what (You) want to write. More or less, "If you build it, they will come." This also ties into why fantasy television adaptations are so bad- because rather than stand on its own, everything has to be either parroting Harry Potter or parroting Game of Thrones in its adaptation. Shoutout to Arcane, but no one mentioned how bad season 2 was.
Anonymous No.24730739 >>24730876
>>24730124
Tolkien is fine to us and George. We like him. It's morons like you we don't like.
Anonymous No.24730876 >>24730959
>>24730739
Why bring up Tolkien in a pissy little fashion if someone commenting will make you butthurt?
Anonymous No.24730959
>>24730876
Did you not follow the conversation.
Anonymous No.24731000
>>24729629
Hasn't he never finished a series ever?
Anonymous No.24731018 >>24731398
>>24730109
also the Thousand Worlds god Bakkalon is mentioned in Feast
Anonymous No.24731378 >>24731392
Who is the most reasonable and probably accurate ASOIAF Youtube theorist and who is the most absolutely off base that you wonder if you read the same book?
Anonymous No.24731392
>>24731378
all of them are nuts just by virtue of having to ring never ending content out of a franchise that receives extremely sporadic and fragmented updates. Quinn the GM is the only one who's not completely insane by now, and that's because he only started making ASOIAF content like 2 years ago
Anonymous No.24731398
>>24731018
and then George is like "No, it's not in the thousand worlds, it's just an easter egg!"
Anonymous No.24731404 >>24731613
Anonymous No.24731429 >>24731916 >>24737202
>>24729744
GRRM's heroes are an oathbreaking bastard who has just been put down like a dog, a whore shitting brown water, a rapist dwarf, some girl in a death cult and a paraplegic who ate a friend. And there are no more books to redeem them.

Tolkienfags won.
Anonymous No.24731438
>>24729744
>They just see the "Aragorn's tax policy" quote and assume that he is an evil commie and hates Tolkien (who is le trad, based and racist).
no they just think its silly because its irrelevant to the story
Anonymous No.24731443 >>24731520
Jon did nothing wrong
Anonymous No.24731520
>>24731443
Refusing to embrace his nature as a warg and locking up Ghost is indefensible.
Anonymous No.24731566
Jon pleads the fifth
Anonymous No.24731613
>>24731404
Huh
>According to Business Insider, the American authorโ€™s A Feast for Crows featured exacts where the author had dragged the disappointment of his loss by poking fun at Harry Potter. Therein, Martin wrote about female knight Brienne of Tarth defeating two male knights, Harry Sawyer and Robin Potter, giving the latter a nasty scar (much like Harryโ€™s distinct forehead scar).
Anonymous No.24731642 >>24731697
why are people so against Jon being legit when it's so obviously what Martin intended.

>"Kings are a rare sight in the north." Robert snorted. "More likely they were hiding under the snow. Snow, Ned!"
>He gave her a half smile. 'Bastards are not allowed to damage young princes,' he said. 'Any bruises they take in the practice yard must come from trueborn swords.'"
>"Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone with your queen and PRINCE Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him." Oswell: "Ser Willem is a good man and true." Gerold: "But not of the Kingsguard. The Kingsguard does not flee." Arthur: "Then or now." Gerold: "We swore a vow."

Granted both his parents were retards and i don't really think it will matter too much but knowing Lyanna I doubt she would be cool with her kid being a bastard.
Anonymous No.24731697 >>24731724 >>24731759
>>24731642
If that fat man finishes the books, then Jon will probably be king.
Anonymous No.24731724 >>24731738
>>24731697
i actually think the show's ending for jon is going to be canon if he finishes. i would much prefer to see him on the throne but him fucking off past the wall seems way likelier.
Anonymous No.24731738 >>24731751 >>24731855
>>24731724
Going north makes no sense.
Anonymous No.24731751 >>24731801
>>24731738
ok why
Anonymous No.24731759
>>24731697
Bran king is canon and co formed by George himself
Anonymous No.24731801 >>24731802
>>24731751
There's nothing up their. No reason to go up their
Anonymous No.24731802 >>24731841
>>24731801
that's the point
Anonymous No.24731841 >>24731898
>>24731802
There is no point
Anonymous No.24731855 >>24731877
>>24731738
He's GRRM's twist on Aragorn. Instead of the rightful king taking his throne the twist is he fucks off. Basically what if you gave Aragorn Frodo's ending.
Anonymous No.24731877
>>24731855
its honestly kino as hell
Anonymous No.24731888 >>24731890 >>24731915 >>24731921 >>24731994 >>24732111 >>24732129 >>24732317 >>24733270 >>24733340
>>24729508 (OP)
Who are you picking if you're Aegon 3?
Anonymous No.24731890 >>24731891
>>24731888
It's pretty fucking clear which of those is the better choice.
Anonymous No.24731891 >>24731907 >>24732519 >>24733340
>>24731890
Yeah, the Bolton chick is the only one who showed an ounce of care for anyone other than herself
Anonymous No.24731898
>>24731841
based nihilist
Anonymous No.24731907
>>24731891
BZZZZT wrong
Anonymous No.24731915
>>24731888
Daenaera is objectively the correct choice but you should probably pick Myrmadora and maybe also Patricia and Moriah for fucking purposes until she is ready.
Anonymous No.24731916
>>24731429
Tolkien's hero is a fat midget who can't keep his hands off jewelry.
Anonymous No.24731921
>>24731888
Myrielle
I am Unwin Peake's strongest soldier
Anonymous No.24731994
>>24731888
George is a ped no doubt in my mind
Anonymous No.24732111
>>24731888
>marry Patricia Redwyne
>ask the Dornish girl and the Lysene slut to stay as her handmaidens "in the interests of fostering diplomatic relations between our lands"
>fuck them both on the side
simple as
Anonymous No.24732115
>>24729508 (OP)
Anonymous No.24732129
>>24731888
Anonymous No.24732137 >>24733226
Any good ASOIAF sexos now that the mods are sleeping?
Anonymous No.24732317 >>24732458
>>24731888
I don't think the Gurm realizes how young 6 years old really is
Anonymous No.24732458
>>24732317
This is your brain as a 70-something year old with no kids writing Fire and Blood
Anonymous No.24732468 >>24733091
Do you think just doing the time skip would have been easier?
Anonymous No.24732519
>>24731891
True
Anonymous No.24732676 >>24732691 >>24732732 >>24733863 >>24733922
What is Brienne supposed to do in the story?
>Trail on Arya and Sansa has gone cold
>Gets kidnapped by Stoneheart

Assuming she survives and escapes the Brotherhood, where else can she go? She could continue to fuck around near the Riverlands. But that would be pointless.

Likely, she'd have to go to the Vale because thats where Sansa is. But there isn't any reason for her to know to investigate the area.
Anonymous No.24732691 >>24733545
>>24732676
Stay with Jaime until she gets a lead on Sansa
Anonymous No.24732698 >>24733018
A Worm there was, a Worm, a Worm
All fat and pink, and covered with sperm.
The Worm! The Worm!
Anonymous No.24732707 >>24732752
Who is the betrayal for blood, gold and love?
Anonymous No.24732732
>>24732676
Arya's dire wolf is running free and leading a huge pack of wolves. Brienne will go after that.
Anonymous No.24732752
>>24732707
blood - mirri (killed the magic bloodline prophecy baby rhaego to stop him from conquering the world)
gold - ben plum (switched sides in the war when she stood to lose)
love - hizdahr (he sides with the SotH against her out of love for his people and culture which dany is trampling on)

this is known
Anonymous No.24733018 >>24733070
>>24732698
>Not pink mast
Anonymous No.24733070
>>24733018
pray tell what would a mast be covered with, sweet nuncle?
Anonymous No.24733091
>>24732468
I think it's easier to not write anything ever at all.
Anonymous No.24733108
>I think Ned Stark loved Robert better than he ever loved his brother or his father . . . or even you, my lady. He was never unfaithful to Robert, was he?" Jaime gave a drunken laugh. - A Clash of Kings - Catelyn VII
Anonymous No.24733226
>>24732137
Emilia is too pure! She would never do this
Anonymous No.24733264
Howland Reed is an antagonist.
Anonymous No.24733270 >>24733340 >>24733354
>>24731888
Seeing that the Bolton girl is a thousand year old skinchanging entity that will seep into the mind of our offspringโ€ฆ probably not her
Anonymous No.24733311 >>24733829
Editors: The Writer's Natural Enemy by George RR Martin (1979)

https://georgerrmartin.com/about-george/speeches/editors-the-writers-natural-enemy/
Anonymous No.24733319 >>24733829
>Left to their own devices, writers talk about only three things; the three most important things in the world.
>They talk about money, they talk about sex, and they talk about editors.
>Money and sex are things that most writers want and never get enough of.
Gurm is such a glutton
Anonymous No.24733340
>>24731888
If Bolton girl has grey eyes as on the pic, then her because >>24731891
If she has icy blue eyes then Patricia, because >>24733270
Anonymous No.24733354 >>24733369
>>24733270
why would other noble houses tolerate a backstabbing, flaying house of psychopaths?
Anonymous No.24733369 >>24733925
>>24733354
The psychos are probably spread over generations of lords who at least can hide their power level.
I wonder what Blackwoods did to be exiled if Boltons could stay.
Anonymous No.24733545
>>24732691
Would Jaime go on the mission with Brienne though? Would it make sense to have 2 povs so close together?
Anonymous No.24733829
>>24733311
>>24733319
> Writers donโ€™t get enough sex. If any of you want to rectify that, see me after the speech.
kek
Anonymous No.24733849
>>24729525
IS THERE NOT A TRUE KNIGHT AMONG YOU?!
Anonymous No.24733854
>>24730070
If I could ask GRRM one question its what the plots for Twice as Tuf and Tuf Landing would have been.
Anonymous No.24733863
>>24732676
Escape? She was allowed to leave to bring Jaime to Lady Stoneheart.
Presumably, she swore a vow to do so. And she swore her service to Lady Cat. Will she obey what honour dictates and lead her love to his death?
Anonymous No.24733922
>>24732676
Ride Podrick Payne like a destrier. Hyle can watch.
Anonymous No.24733925 >>24733987
>>24733369
The Night's King was a Blackwood.
Anonymous No.24733987 >>24734044
>>24733925
He was obviously a bracken retard.
Anonymous No.24734044
>>24733987
A female Other would never sleep with andalized Bracken cucks.
Anonymous No.24734049
What are y'all's thoughts on the latest morning throners episode?
Anonymous No.24734392 >>24734527 >>24734928
Those who argue that George R. R. Martin is, from a technical standpoint, a more proficient writer than J.R.R. Tolkien are likely correct. However, am I truly alone in believing that prose style isn't the most crucial element in a fantasy narrative? In my view, world-building holds far greater significance, and in that regard, Tolkien surpasses Martin by a considerable margin.
Anonymous No.24734527
>>24734392
Tolkien prose > grrm prose
Anonymous No.24734569 >>24734578 >>24735422
He should have done 9 books to give himself more room. A trilogy of trilogies
>First Trilogy deals with the War of Five Kings
>Second Trilogy is Dance with the Dragons 2
>Third Trilogy is The Others
Anonymous No.24734578 >>24734915
>>24734569
That's pretty much his original plan for the three books.
Anonymous No.24734587
>>24729508 (OP)
The irrational hateboner for Tyrion is angry and throbbing. A fat pink mast.
Anonymous No.24734915
>>24734578
Yeah its what I based it off. Then making them trilogies gives him the room he needs cause no way this shit is being done in seven books and I think everyone agrees.
Anonymous No.24734928 >>24734939
>>24734392
GRRM isnโ€™t even good from a technical standpoint, though. He constantly forgets details, and then reintroduces them in the next book once he realizes his mistake and retcons reasons why they werenโ€™t mentioned before.

Lazy writer whose obsession with plot isnโ€™t even something he can fully commit to.
Anonymous No.24734939 >>24734942 >>24734983
>>24734928
He literally hired autists to keep track of what he's written.

Which doesn't help when he introduces a song or a saying that everyone has known for the last 100 years and suddenly repeats constantly except it just wasn't ever mentioned in the last three books.
Anonymous No.24734942
>>24734939
George R-Retcon Martin
Anonymous No.24734983 >>24735007
>>24734939
Yea but words ARE wind though, ever thought of that?
Anonymous No.24734992
If you were gay, or a woman, and a chad Other walked by you, fully naked, as well as erect, what would you do? He looks at you and winks.
Anonymous No.24735007 >>24735414
>>24734983
Probably the funniest part of the manuscripts was how his editor said how stupid that was and he was like "no, it has to be there 40 times".
Anonymous No.24735414
>>24735007
I think its become a case of the more famous an author is the less pushback they get from editors because how dare they question the mighty genius of this author etc. It happens to a lot of famous authors. In fact not just authors, directors etc. They get too scared to question. For example George Lucas' original Star Wars trilogy was full of push backs and edits and his wife filtered a lot. Meanwhile the prequels he was infamously surrounded by Yes Men.
Anonymous No.24735422 >>24735616
>>24734569
Brother we are on book 6 and the war of the 5 kings is STILL going on.
Anonymous No.24735616
>>24735422
According to the Pink letter the fifth and final king just died.
Anonymous No.24735684 >>24735761 >>24736863
Second War of the Five Kings

Shireen Baratheon
Aegon Targaryen
Euron Greyjoy
Tommen Baratheon
Robert Arryn
Anonymous No.24735761 >>24735800
>>24735684
An exactly what is the last one's claim? Independence?
Anonymous No.24735800
>>24735761
King of the Vale, the North, and the Riverlands
Anonymous No.24736375 >>24736395 >>24737131
Itโ€™s sad to see this series and fandom dying. In 10 years there will be no threads, no videos, no subreddits, no essays no discussions no theories. It was supposed to be a timeless masterpeice. George robbed the world and the future
Anonymous No.24736395
>>24736375
And in the place of Winds, Dream, and /grrm/ will be Red God, a completed series, and /rrg/
Anonymous No.24736427
>>24729629
And Seven Times Never Kill Man
Anonymous No.24736525 >>24736696
I don't get it. If he holds him in such high regard why didn't they just talk it out instead of coming to blows?
Anonymous No.24736696 >>24736785
>>24736525
Because Arthur and the other Kingsguard wouldn't give up. Ned was trying to talk to them, but they were already getting ready to fight Ned and his boys while they were conversing.
>โ€œI looked for you on the Trident,โ€ Ned said to them.
>โ€œWe were not there,โ€ Ser Gerold answered.
>โ€œWoe to the Usurper if we had been,โ€ said Ser Oswell.
>โ€œWhen King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.โ€
>โ€œFar away,โ€ Ser Gerold said, โ€œor Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.โ€
>โ€œI came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,โ€ Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.โ€
>โ€œOur knees do not bend easily,โ€ said Ser Arthur Dayne.
>โ€œSer Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.โ€
>โ€œSer Willem is a good man and true,โ€ said Ser Oswell.
>โ€œBut not of the Kingsguard,โ€ Ser Gerold pointed out. โ€œThe Kingsguard does not flee.โ€
>โ€œThen or now,โ€ said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
>"We swore a vow,โ€ explained old Ser Gerold. Nedโ€™s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
>โ€œAnd now it begins,โ€ said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
>โ€œNo,โ€ Ned said with sadness in his voice. โ€œNow it ends.โ€
Anonymous No.24736715 >>24736742 >>24736894 >>24737231
I've been thinking of writing a fanfiction (Seethe about it George. Or finish the damn book). I'd lean into George's writing style but the general idea I've been thinking of is a story that runs parallel to a Game of Thrones. Basically the POV of a knight belonging to a small family in the Crownlands. Have their account as they ride North with Robert's entourage, set their first POV during the hunt that happens the day Bran falls. I'd split them off after Lady dies. I don't recall if it's mentioned if her remains make it back to Winterfell but I'd have this knight be the one to take up the duty of returning her home.

The real question is, would any of you ever be willing to read it if I put it to paper?
Anonymous No.24736742 >>24736761
>>24736715
>The real question is, would any of you ever be willing to read it if I put it to paper?

Like, pay for it? No, but I'll read it if you post it as a pdf.
Anonymous No.24736761
>>24736742
>Pay for it
Obviously not. I would just drop it here. Love of the craft and the world and all that. But glad to hear you'd check it out.
Anonymous No.24736785 >>24736932 >>24737172
>>24736696
Gurm says we're not supposed to take that exchange literally thoughbeit.
Anonymous No.24736863
>>24735684
>Second War of the Five Kings
You mean the second dance?
Iโ€™d assume the main players are
Jon
Dany
Aegon
Euron
Maybe even Cersie possibly
Anonymous No.24736894 >>24737539
>>24736715
no, your premise is not interesting enough. Where's the hook, why would I want to read the same thing as the books?
you must understand you are going against an absolute deluge of content, thousands of fandoms, millions of words of fanfiction, more interesting premises (isekais, gary sues, crossovers, etc). To say nothing about non-written entertainment...
Maybe you would've gotten some traction many many years ago, at the start, but not now.
Anonymous No.24736932 >>24737172
>>24736785
You can take it a mostly face value, Neds just โ€œhidingโ€ the info that would be too spoilery for the reader.
Anonymous No.24737127
I think he realized his plot would require 4 more books so he gave up
Anonymous No.24737131
>>24736375
>no videos, no subreddits, no essays
Ah, at least there'll be a bright side.
Anonymous No.24737172 >>24737755
>>24736785
>>24736932
It would be interesting if Lyanna's "Promise me, Ned" was a promise to not let Jon be king and that's why he ended up fighting the Kingsguard.
Anonymous No.24737173
I'd always told myself I wouldn't touch this series until it was finished but I just found the entire thing in a used books' store for like 15 bucks and now it found itself on my shelf after all.

Am I gonna end up as bitter and disappointed as everyone else once I'm done? Is there's no light at the end of the tunnel for this series?
Anonymous No.24737186 >>24737326
Anonymous No.24737202 >>24737237
>>24731429
>a whore shitting brown water
>a whore
>had sex with two men and one woman
Dumb chud.
Anonymous No.24737231
>>24736715
I'll read it. Don't let a good idea go to waste.
Anonymous No.24737237
>>24737202
>two men
three*
Anonymous No.24737326 >>24737755
>>24737186
we know he's stuck on Sam and Bran and any other plotlines with lots of magic
Anonymous No.24737539 >>24737573
>>24736894
>more interesting premises (isekais, gary sues, crossovers)
lmao
Anonymous No.24737573 >>24737586
>>24737539
you may laugh, but then don't wander later why your fanfic got 1000 hits and 1 comment and no one read it
you missed my point: that you need to a strong (very strong) premise if you want eyes on the text
if you write it for yourself then yeah, write whatever you want
Anonymous No.24737586 >>24737597
>>24737573
I'm not him, and I don't care about fanfiction either way. I just think it's funny that you listed isekai and crossovers as an interesting premise.
Anonymous No.24737597 >>24737799
>>24737586
de gustibus. i've read well-written fanfics with both premises
they sure are more interesting then re-hashing canon from a slighty different pov
also it's what the vast majority of readers want
Anonymous No.24737755
>>24737172
I think Ned would have to fight the KG first but Iโ€™m pretty sure thatโ€™s the case, more protect him and eventually when heโ€™s older tell him who he is.

>>24737326
Pretty much, he planned on pretty much hand waving their arcs with the time skip.
Anonymous No.24737799
>>24737597
I'm fanfic anon. For clarity, it wouldn't be rehashing scenes just from the knight's POV. It would branch off into their own story/arc. I think I might just write up the first chapter this weekend. Won't post again until I have something to show for (I promise, I'll be out before Winds). At the very least the thread can have something to dunk on if it's bland/slop.
Anonymous No.24737955
Dany's house with the red door made me think of my house with the red door. A life that's long gone.
Anonymous No.24738058
Fact: Only tower niggers make excuses for George.
Anonymous No.24738122
Ahem, Jory's death and Ned's crippling is better in the book than the show.

I have spoken.
Anonymous No.24738222 >>24738272 >>24738347
He's just turned 77.
Anonymous No.24738272
>>24738222
Tell me when he turns in his fucking book.
Anonymous No.24738347
>>24738222
Finish. The. Fucking. Books. BITCH