Thread 24772775

>someone restores the /lit/ wiki after Fandom shut it down
>site admins update the sticky with the new site
>https://lit.trainroll.xyz
>no account verification
>no captcha
>wiki spammed with bot pages
>wiki admin deletes
>bot spam returns
>repeat x100
>pajeet porno links on main page
>(Deletion log) [Anonymous Admin (807×)]
>wiki admin completely locks the wiki down
>whole thing is now read-only
Page creation, file upload, and even login are all disabled. Before the whole thing got locked down you could create pages and accounts with zero verification or captchas, even though Media Wiki supports both of these:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserVerification
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
(the only form of captcha before was a basic math one, and only subsequent edits to a page, meaning you could create accounts and pages with zero hindrance)

The /lit/ wiki is now just a museum. But I'm glad we still have my favourite articles on The Ultimate Guide To Finding The Perfect Couch For Sale In The UK and Welpen Aus Yorkie Zucht: Ein Comprehensiver Leitfaden Für Zukünftige Besitzer. Charts and reading guides are for fags anyway.

>>24772775 (OP)
We can never have nice things.

>>24772775 (OP)
Was funny when I found this book being snuck into the UK/Irish Recommended Reading list. I thought it'd be some random self-published author, but nah, trad pubbed, has reviews in the Guardian and the New York Times. I did not think that paid shills would go so far as to start editing obscure, half-dead wikis, and lol at the file description:
>"Bonding is the work of an author whose importance already feels assured" (the Observer)

>>24772775 (OP)
The charts are in the mega anyway.

>>24773340
Sure, and they're on the still-accessible wiki too, but the problems is that just like the now-locked-down wiki it's only the maintainer who can add files to it. With the Mega folder maybe the maintainer floats around making additions, but eventually he won't, and he can't catch everything. The wiki, meanwhile, (under normal conditions) allows user submissions and can have multiple admins and pass the torch if one person doesn't want to maintain it. There are dead links to previously-shared folders floating in /lit/'s archive, or un-maintained folders, and stuff easily gets lost if you rely on methods like that. Providers will also go down too.

The wiki can and does also contain information not suited to charts. It's far more versatile.

>>24773476
Sounds like someone got greedy

>>24773518
I don't get your point. As far as I can tell, the wiki admin took on and then abandoned what's supposed to be a public resource for /lit/, all without implementing simple measures to prevent that. That's lame.

>>24773476
Almost anytime the mega is mentioned, it's me, the maintainer doing it. I'm a bit disappointed you didn't know the mega allows user submissions and others can and have been added to change stuff on it. It's easy to pass the torch. I can't catch everything and don't try to. Yes, the wiki is more versatile.

>>24773476
Stuff gets lost regardless, at least in terms of public accessibility, regardless of the method or provider.

>>24773567
>I'm a bit disappointed you didn't know the mega allows user submissions and others can and have been added to change stuff on it.
You could lead with that. Speaking generally in terms of file share versatility, those are features I only know of Mega allowing, and ones that have to be turned on. It's also non-obvious to most users because it isn't a common feature; I can see your included text files pointing to the upload link, but that's buried, and, again, non-obvious. Maybe you maintain yours well, but relying on shared folders generally isn't a good permanent solution, and most people won't do as much upkeep as you.
>It's easy to pass the torch.
If you account gets nuked, I don't imagine that folder remains. I don't figure most file shares die as planned events, as they're generally considered passive, so passing the torch could still be problematic; someone could re-upload, but would all of the old links suddenly die? I don't imagine you can maintain the link between accounts.

The only place I see your folder occuring is as the parent folder of the sci-fi general. That's not an obvious place, whereas the wiki is in the pinned thread and prominent (even if mostly ignored). An obscured Mega link is not a replacement for what is nominally /lit/'s official wiki.

All of the features you're mentioning are non-obvious, the link location itself is non-obvious and unofficial, and it still relies entirely on you organisationally. And the versatility is important.


Also, going through your folder, are all of the charts supposed to be in Charts and Culture > zBoards > lit - literature? Is your collection actually complete relative to the wiki's? The wiki contains far more files than I see in your /lit/ folder.

>>24773602
Yes, but administration can at least be passed off so that the material doesn't freeze in time because one person stops maintaining it. If however it's being hosted becomes a problem then it'd be a challenge (as happened with Fandom deciding to throw the original out), but I'd consider a standalone website to be more reliable for this purpose than third-party file-sharing links. I'm not arguing against backups---obviously they're important to keep in many forms---just saying that /lit/'s wiki being locked down is a bad thing and unnecessary.

A folder of charts is not a replacement for a standalone wiki, not in fundamental capacity for reliability, nor in versatility.

>>24773640
>>24773640
Buried? It's on the top level. If you know a way to make it more obvious, let me know.
The mega is at the bottom of the charts page on the wiki and has been since 2019. I have no control over what's in the pinned thread.
Obviously if it's taken down there's no link to the new place, it's the same for the wiki. Surely there are many who don't know it's on a new location because there's no link.
I don't want it to rely on me, but it's difficult to find anyone willing to help. That's how it goes. Lots of complaining, not much doing. You could make a mirror of the wiki and do all things you want it to do.

No, that charts are in the Books folder. The zboards are just for random stuff related to the boards.

>>24773654
Whether administration can be passed off is irrelevant if the administrator has no intent to do so. If that were the case, you wouldn't have have made this thread. You don't even know if the admin comes to 4chan any longer, let alone would see this thread.

>>24773061
We have nice things more often then we should.

>>24773742
He's been active cleaning up spam on the wiki in the past, and I'm pretty sure he's acted in response to my threads bitching about it before. Of course it's not guaranteed to reach him, but it's the one obvious option to try as there's no contact information for the admin that I've found.

It's fucking over

What about alternative fandoms?

>>24775123
The current wiki isn't dead, and it's not hosted via Fandom, it's just that the admin has disabled editing permissions for everyone. Before that the wiki was being spammed badly by bots. I'm here bitching so I can catch the admin's attention.

Maybe there's some additional issue that makes email verification a pain to implement (would have to set up email for the domain, for one, whatever that entails technically), but a captcha should be entirely doable. Since I already encountered the basic math captcha on page edits, I'll assume the basics for setting it up are already there.

MediaWiki supports QuestyCaptcha*, which allows the admin to specify questions the user has to pass. Make this some basic /lit/ trivia (as in /lit/, not literature; e.g., name the meme trilogy authors, biggest fart-lover of the canon, what's the common term for image-based infographics) and it should defeat at least the very low-level bot spam that was happening. Answers could even be posted to /lit/ if they need to be a little more arcane. It was all bottom-of-the-barrel spam before, not some anon specifically targetting the wiki, so it would be effective. Rate-limiting is an option too if somehow mass attacks take a toll on the server.

*https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%253AQuestyCaptcha

>>24775384
Almost no one was probably doing anything so getting rid of edits was probably the right move. The approach asking for a personal exemption will probably work better than trying to reopen it.

>>24776481
Hey man I was mid-article. And at present the only way to ask for personal exemption is to make a thread about it anyway.

Other boards have had problems with schizo vandalism, but that wasn't the problem with the /lit/ wiki, so open editing perms would probably be fine. Regular users could previously roll back changes, and adding an extra admin or two to delete pages or ban IPs would probably be enough for the kind of traffic the /lit/ wiki receives.

Oddly one of the admin's last actions was to add an email whitelist, but
1. sign-up is currently broken (since edit perms got changed),
2. previous accounts didn't require email verification,
3. adding email to an account for notifications is broken.
I was advocating for email verification before the admin swooped back in in July, but honestly I don't even think it's necessary at this point with QuestyCaptcha, though for admin purposes it'd be good if notifications could be sent out that way as opposed to having to manually check the site.

>>24776514
You may have been the only one.

>>24777978
I was. The only other notable new pages in the last few years were one on a /lit/ poetry project from 2022
https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Poem_of_the_Day
and
https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Nigger

>>24778117
So it goes. Much happens, but little is recorded.

wiki admin... please...

There's no response. It's just a corpse.
へんじがない。ただの しかばねのようだ。

Legend has it that OP is still waiting to this very day, years later.

>>24781422
The disabling of editing perms only happened at the beginning of August. I'd made at least a couple threads bitching about the spam before that so this is a monkey paw sort of situation for me. It was a few months between the admin showing any attention to the site, so maybe someday he'll return...

>mfw I'll probably never be able to finish it
>all those /lit/ zines will be lost in time
>like tears in the rain
https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Collaborative_Works

>>24781776
You can finish it whenever you want, say on a Google doc or similar, it just won't be on the wiki, or maybe someone will make their own mirror and the link can be updated. Be the change you want to see.

The zines are in multiple megas, including mine, and various other places, including their original site where applicable. I have a story in The April Reader. I submitted it as a joke, but they put it in anyway.

>>24781792
I've thought about hosting the article elsewhere, but the wiki is a resource for the entire board and ought to be maintained. The admin didn't axe the site, so he's probably still capable of making the changes I've outlined earlier in the thread. An unofficial fork nobody knows about would be about as good as a locked-down one.

>The zines are in multiple megas
I know. I'm the one who hosts the original Mega of zines that you've mirrored. I'd like there to be an independent document that charts their history, and a Mega folder isn't a good primary location for that; the article I was working on was meant as a replacement for the out of date Original Content page. I was hoping I could also mirror the majority of those files on the wiki for extra redundancy and accessibility. It's also much easier for someone to take up the reigns after me if it's editable and located somewhere obvious.

>>24781845
I'm not saying give up hope, just that you've got to be realistic about these things. Finish it up in a Google doc or similar that has open access for others to edit or add to and then hope one day the problem resolves and it can be copied there. Otherwise, the only options are a mirror and trying to get it replaced in the sticky. I don't know how many even go to the wiki from the sticky. What surprised me was that my mega is linked from another site that has a lot of resources and they have a view count for it, which shows that my mega has been viewed 10k times from there. That's absurd really if it's accurate. I agree that the mega isn't suitable for a lot of stuff.

Waiting For Godot: The Thread

The wiki's vigil continues

>>24772775 (OP)
Didn't know there was a wiki

>>24784653
I'm here to educate, homie.

Did you know /lit/ (as in a bunch of anons from here shitting up one big Google Doc) got a book into the Bavarian State Library? and then another in the Museum of Modern Art? Or that there used to be a magazine for /lit/izens that'd pay you $100 if your work was accepted? How about that there's a best-of anthology of a bunch of /lit/ flash fiction that only exists in print? And Edward Burtynsky, the photographer behind the famed Burgerpunk photo, pic rel, possesses two print copies of a *different* /lit/ best-of anthology.

https://lit.trainroll.xyz/wiki/Collaborative_Works
and older archive of /lit/ works with the big Google Doc books:
https://mega.nz/folder/CoN2GbzQ#7puNpTNUTQ05QTha4H6-WA
a newer archive but only for /lit/ periodicals:
https://mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw

lol
just lol
lmao even

day 6 of begging you wiki admin

Wiki Writer plans - Admin laughs.

I am once again asking for your administrative support.

day 7
hope... seems impossible... but i hold on...

>>24772775 (OP)
post more dolphin porn if you want to get their attention

>>24789432
whoops sorry here it is

>>24789432
Wiki admin not site admin. But thanks for trying.

>>24789501
they apparently need to update the sticky anyway

>>24789503
Update it with what? The wiki isn't 404ing, it's just not possible to edit it since August. Everything is still there and (most of) the spam has been cleaned up, and there's not a replacement for it right now. Barely anyone edits it anyway, but it shouldn't be entirely locked down.

I doubt the wiki admin is dead or completely AWOL. He just has to change a couple settings to keep it from being shitted up again instead of monkey-pawing me like this.

Cope springs eternal

day 7 + 1

The admin will come out tomorrow, you can bet your best edits that the admin will come out tomorrow

>>24773119
Lmao nice catch

The Writer cried out, "My Admin, my Admin, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

Don't say it's over...

NEVER SAY DIE

>>24772775 (OP)
Of course it was pajeets. Why do they have to invade everything?

>>24772775 (OP)
Probably Max Lawton spamming the porn

Has OP surrendered?

>>24797119
nope still waitin

ninth(?) day of public begging
this will continue until my demands are met

The work stoppage must come to an end!

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>>24800697
>a pretender

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day 13

>>24784755
that's very cool
I never knew

>>24805744
magical innit?

just-in-case bump

day 14 (two weeks)