Thread 24777112

Be real with me, I haven't read any of their literature, but the website for the local lodge in my area says they're all about personal development, charity, and friendship
That sounds pretty nice, honestly, and I think all their symbolism is really interesting.
If I join the Freemasons, will I go to hell? That's what I've been told. What's so bad about joining them?
What literature should I read that exposed them for being devil worshippers?

>>24777112 (OP)
kill yourself, pedo.

>>24777112 (OP)
To be honest with you, the Masons give what are essentially self-help lessons. Take the concept of the 24-inch gauge, for example. Divide it by 3, you get 8. So, in a 24-hour day, the Freemasons say you should try to devote 8 hours to either in service to God or a distressed brother, another 8 hours for work, and the last 8 hours for relaxation and sleep.
Pretty basic stuff, right? Well, it wasn't so basic when the Freemasons were a thing back in the past. Nowadays though, most of the stuff they teach has already seeped into the zeitgeist.
The real reason you join the freemasons these days is for networking, and it's from that need every lodge develops their, say, idiosyncrasies. So, no, you probably won't go to Hell, OP. Though you may sometimes ask "why bother" when it comes to paying your lodge dues

>>24777112 (OP)
i think it was war and peace where tolstoy deals with them. pierre joined them, right?

>>24777112 (OP)
crab barrel anons will tell you to not get close to power, because they are not as strong as you. Do it. Join, Get close, and make the world a better place through your connnections.

>>24777112 (OP)
It's just a dumb LARP. Really. They make a headcanon out of a few obscure Bible passages and then you do stupid rituals that accomplish nothing. If you own a small business, or hold/seek local power somehow in your municipality, it could be useful.

Do your homework first. There's a reason both Catholics and Orthodox agree on banning membership in this gnostic Luciferian org. Plus how rad is this cover art?

They aren't a powerul french UFO suicide cult
like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

Join, make friends, contacts, learn the lore and report back to us.

>>24778678
masons are pretty much extinct everything tho

>>24777112 (OP)
The only people who think Masons are still relevant are Latin-American Catholics

At this point, Freemasonry is just a frathouse for hylics

>>24778841
>>24779229
>"yeah bro, don't even bother they have no real influence"
>t.

Isn't Freemasonry all based on the jewish kabbahal?

>>24779421
>what are essentially self-help lessons. Take the concept of the 24-inch gauge, for example. Divide it by 3, you get 8. So, in a 24-hour day, the Freemasons say you should try to devote 8 hours to either in service to God or a distressed brother, another 8 hours for work, and the last 8 hours for relaxation and sleep.
>Pretty basic stuff, right? Well, it wasn't so basic when the Freemasons were a thing back in the past. Nowadays though, most of the stuff they teach has already seeped into the zeitgeist.
>The real reaso
Based on general initiatory esotericism, which naturally has aspects of that yes, along with greek numerology, neoplatonic/christian elements, alchemical allusions, etc.

>>24779377
>>t.
exactly, every anon could benefit from being this mason.

>>24778678
I went to an initiation ritul of some sort for my dad who is in the masons, and I fond the rituals and stuff interesting. made me think how at least in the west we dont have very many initiatory rituals anymore which seemed to be much more promiant in the past/ in other cultures. wonder if it significantly effects psychology and stuff. Making you feel like a part of something.

IDK if im personally going to become a mason, seems a bit... idk idol centric/preformative/gnostic or something for my liking, but there was something appealing about the austerity of the event that you rarely can appreciate nowadays but I saw rather frequently in historical works like chivalric romances, the bible, the Illiad, Volsunga saga, etc.

The -anti-freemasonry people are so rabid and insane I've never once felt the urge to look into their claims.

But then again psychos like Alex Jones said that satanic pedophiles ran the world.. then the Epstein story broke, so who knows.

Even if there is some nefarious or occult happenings within masonry, it's pretty crazy to scream at old men who just like to drink beer down at the lodge with their boomer friends and hold a bake sale once in a while. It's not like every schmuck who pays their dues are in on some big secret.

>>24780300
Though I do think it's at odds with Christianity, and should be avoided by Christians, whether or not the masons are on the level (hehe) or not.

>>24779229
Freemasons basically owned a medium sized city in Sweden (Karlstad, not big by international standards, but still) and this was only uncovered a year or two ago.
They’re still relevant, sadly.

>>24780300
>The -anti-freemasonry people are so rabid and insane
I mean, I kind of understand why. its literally a secretive cabal with esoteric rituals that take care of thier own. That plus its murky history of political involvement, especially in france and the US, is an excellent breading ground for mistrust.

Not that they are necissrily bad mind you, its probably mostly boys clubs that do a bit of charity on the side, but the very premise and history makes it very susceptible to suspicion.

I personally find it interesting from a distance. Fraternal initiary organizations use to be the bedrock of the west, knightly, guild, or otherwise, but it has largely wasted away and the masons are one of the few that have gone on strong outside of rich mans golf/yacht clubs.

>>24780456
I get being vehemently against them, but the only arguments against it I ever see are from literal unhinged psychotics.

>>24780300
Then it's crazy to scream at any mafia. It's just a mafia organization like every other. If you're not in it, why the hell would you support it.

>>24780807
I'm not saying it's wrong to oppose Masonry you moron, I'm saying the only people who I see doing it are clearly insane

>>24780292
That is the basic gist, yes, I just don't find it authentic as initiation compared to past rituals. LARP in the strictest sense. But yeah you are right that that's the aim.

>>24777112 (OP)
It is a gnostic luciferian and Marcionite religion. Most dudes that are Masons don't engage with the religious aspect, but it is no different in that regard to any other religion today. Here is an article that describes their beliefs.

https://archive.ph/xSAIC

"We cannot too quickly fault those who assume that the mention of Lucifer either in connection with The Craft (as in Manly Hall’s quote) or by a noted Freemason (Albert Pike) indicates that our Order is something nefarious. After all, Lucifer is simply another name for Satan, isn’t it? In popular parlance, yes, Lucifer is a synonym for Satan; less commonly, Lucifer is a distinct entity from Satan.

In the main, I wish for my readers to know that:

The Lucifer of the Bible is not The Devil, and
The Craft should rightly venerate Lucifer."

>>24777112 (OP)
they take oaths don't they? that should be enough to make one weary.

>>24780292
>dk idol centric/preformative/gnostic or something for my liking
the word I was looking for was too "esoteric" for my liking.

>>24780870
Well IDK if its so much larp, since its not so much "reviving a dead thing" as "the thing has been continually done for a long while", but there was a bit of a disconnect with goofy boomers sometimes joking when they couldnt remember lines and stuff. there was definitely some authenticity there, its just mixed with some modern inauthenticity as well. There was moments of preformativeness with moments of genuine austerity.

>>24777112 (OP)
If you engage with Masonry at its top levels, you won't see shit. It's at most just generic fluff about muh trivium and whatever with a fake veil of religious indiferentism and symbolism which is meant to look just cool to normal eyes. You need to get into the deep levels to know how fucked shit is, that or read the books made by leaders like Albert Pike which show what it REALLY is like beyond the parts designed for the cattle
>If I join the Freemasons, will I go to hell?
You can't be a Christian and be a Mason. Humanum Genus exists for this very reason. Freemasonry IS a religion, maybe not at its top levels but at its core it's extremely Jewish, Satanic and antichristian
>>24780300
No they're pretty reasonable. Nobody is saying that the retards at the local lodge are in on it. When people attack Freemasonry it's explicitly the high Mason ranks. not the local lodges which are just tools

>>24781864
Meant to say maybe not at it's lower levels. At its top levels Masons are extremely explicit about it being occultist

behold a pale horse
living in a masonic world

it's a blind don't trust them

>>24781868
*trapped in a masonic world

>>24781864
I always thought it seemed like a religion, despite regular masons always saying it's not.
They've got their religious literature, congregation, rituals, symbolism, it's like got everything any religion would have

>>24782238
I mean I guess if you take a broad meaning of the term religion. But I think its too compartmentalized in terms of lifestyle to be a religion usually meant. Though it is similar to how I would imagine late roman mystery cults would work, as a supplemental quasi-religion add on top of personal and public pagan/mythaic/chritstian/etc religion.
>>24780565
Think thats because its a fertile ground schizo topic. like the cia spying on you through flies and shit. Take something that has some truth to it, like the CIA's information gathering nature, but blow it out of proportion and personalize it to you.

Freemasonry is just a venue to network. It has the potential to be a cabal of powerful people and it also has the potential to be a means for boomers who need liturgical ceremonies or whatever for their meet and mingles. See Propaganda Due (P2) Lodge in Italy, they were instrumental during the years of lead. But anytime rich, influential, glowie types gather together, it will be a conspiracy.

>>24777112 (OP)
You won't be going to hell, you are already in their hell. As a fresh level 1 initiate you won't be doing much. It's the upper levels that control the world.

>>24780933
>It is a gnostic
Frankist, as it turns out. They're not from Egypt, that's a LARP, but they aren't about the "gnostic" original Christian faith either. They adopted the Frankist/Zionists as a sort of apprentice group

>>24784127
I think it is hard to point to any single tradition for the Masons; their Luciferianism is definitely similar to some of the early anti-Pauline Christians and distinct from the typical Frankist in that regard. The foundations of the Masons date to around the time of the rooting out of the Cathars, who themselves seemed to have been greatly influenced by Manichaeism.

Definitely nothing even remotely Egyptian about them, more Zoroastrian if anything.

>>24777112 (OP)
You will go to hell, as you will be out of communion with the Catholic Church.

>>24783713
It is kinda funny, if you follow Free Mason blogs and forums you'll see so many of them seething over how the "Craft" has been largely reduced to a networking venue.

>>24777112 (OP)
This is the book you want to read if you are interested but it will probably dissuade you.

>>24777132
How does one spend 8 hours in service to God? And 8 hours in service to a distressed brother is a lot of fuckin time…

>>24780933
Very good article. Thank you for the link.

Indeed — the Light is what we came to learn. The Book of Ra is the next relevant reading. The sixth density social conscious known as Venus has been trying to teach us love and light and the law of One for a very long time now.

>>24784689
>the foundations of the Masons date to around the time of the rooting out of the Cathars,
not sure about that. I think most medieval origins of the masons are spurious. they really popped up as just another fraternal lodge in the 1700s or late 1600s i think.

>>24781867
Because occultism is correct. Lucifer is Jesus. Jesus was not the only way to the Light.

>>24784689
Ew the Catholic Church is fucking gay anon

>>24784703
Have you read this anon? Tell us more if so

>>24784739
Horrendous bait, but unironically this is what masons believe which shows how fucking retarded they all are. Guess it's the jew gene

>>24784712
Cut back on masturbation while you're smoking glass anon. For a while you'll feel like you're immortal. It's like being on glass but also being aware of the time.

>>24784736
The absolute latest is 1583 based on the grand lodge No. 1 manuscript, but I find the Regius Poem compelling enough evidence to say the Free Masons were around at least since the middle of the 1400s. It doesn't have all of the later features of Free Masonry, but it does have the Egyptian LARP and the occultism, the esotericism, and brushes with Luciferianism.

>>24784854
Literally the Bibble says that Jesus is the Lightbringer though?

>>24777123
What an insane, knee-jerk comment

>>24779229
They are still relevant, we just call them jews now.

Not too knowledgeable about the subject, but is there a difference between A light bringer and THE lightbringer? Do all references to lucifer only mean the lucifer of the fall, or is it a generic title. Since gods grace is pretty generically referred to through the analogy of light ("Let there be light”), so anyone who would be in service to his message would be a light bringer or lucifer. Including someone who use to be a light bringer before he fell from grace. Every angel or prophet is a light bringer in this sense.

>>24786070
Personally I think it's a title, that's been applied to Christ, and then people have misinterpreted it (some on purpose) to tie him to *the* Lucifer.

>>24786070
IT IS I, THE LIGHTBRINGER

>>24786070
It is used in a few different contexts in scripture, but it is important to know that contemporary critical scholarship prefers "morning star" to "light bearer". Lucifer, as we know him, tries compete with God, who is symbolically represented as the Sun, and Venus, the "morning star" is astrologically associated with pride because it can sometimes be seen in the morning as a false Sun. In the context of Revelations 22, which is often what people refer to when they call Jesus the "light bearer", the passage is explicitly about him transcending material reality.

"And night shall be no more: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign for ever and ever."

The fundamental confusion is due to a presuppositional gnosticism. It's like saying "King Solomon was wise, but he fell into paganism, thus we must conclude that any utterances of one's wisdom is a reference to Solomon, and in that regard they are contrary to God of the Old Testament".

>>24787102
Very interesting, thanks for the explanation.

>>24778619
Yes.

Will you fuck the baphomet bride? No, then you won't move up. Yes? Then they will blackmail you for having done so.

You can learn about esoterics in Guenon etc for yourself. Nothing is secret anymore. As has been said, it seems mostly for networking.

Personal development, charity and friendship is part of it, but a plethora of activities and rituals occur for the initiated. You can ''self educate'' using sources on the internet but it's quite meaningless and futile without distinctly experiencing the rituals first hand.

The new-agey ''self-development'' image, as well as Christian symbolism is mostly for exoteric purposes, although self-development in the form of gnostic self-illumination does play a central role. Freemasonry has much more to do with the Temple myths, early gnostic Christianity and illumination than anything else. Through ritual action and symbolism and accumulation of knowledge the initiated work on, as I understand it, gnosis.

The networking aspect is distinctive too. Two elder brothers helped me win a court case by helping me strategise against my opponent.

>>24778700
Anti-Nordicist propaganda

>>24788517
>Freemasonry has much more to do with the Temple myths, early gnostic Christianity and illumination than anything else. Through ritual action and symbolism and accumulation of knowledge the initiated work on, as I understand it, gnosis.
This is basically what I've been thinking it's probably all about, but whenever I ask about it, everyone just condemns freemasonry and calls them pedophiles or satanists or something.
That's the stuff I'm interested in, so do you think I should join? Are you a freemason?

>>24777112 (OP)
Joseph Smith was a Freemason. Him and Brigham Young heavily adopted Mason rituals into Mormonism.

>>24788517
>The networking aspect is distinctive too. Two elder brothers helped me win a court case by helping me strategise against my opponent.
Nasty moron.

>>24777112 (OP)
I don’t believe there is inherently anything wrong with the organization, but as with all organizations somewhat related to the ‘occult’ there are always some individuals or groups embedded within of completely evil people. I highly doubt you would run into anything like this yourself.

>>24789283
Why does everyone repeat their cover verbatim. Did you get hypnotized?
No. They are not satanic, they are a secret organization that invented the CIA/mossad and have been running the Western world (poorly). The IS something INHERENTLY wrong with a secret centralized power running everyone's lives. (While we're all surveilled more and more each year). Wake the fuck up.

>>24780300
>The -anti-freemasonry people are so rabid and insane
Because freemasonry attacks the world's elite. You can't have goyim reuniting in a secretive spaces, calling each others brother, sharing ideas of truth, honor and charity and using kabbalistic symbology! It is forbidden for goyim to practice kabbalah and to fraternize with their neighbors instead of engaging in hedonistic individualism.

>>24789730
>Because freemasonry attacks the world's elite
No. They ARE the world's elites. Everything in the news is going to their plans. You can't separate the zionists from the Masons, anon.

>>24779421
A mix of neoplatonism and christianized/dejudified Kabbalah as well as assorted oriental spiritual influences

>>24780279
>Masonry was the original Timecube

>>24784127
Frankists as in the Sabbateans? I though they were wiped out after Zevi died

>>24786312
Go home linkara