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>>24753638 (Cross-thread)

>Thread Question:
You are thrown into the world of the last book you read. Where are you, what are you doing and what are your plans?

Forgot to update the previous thread: https://boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/24767428#top

Andrew Rowe has now been traditionally published. That's another LitRPG/Progression novelist that's transitioned.

>>24779846
Based. Litrpgs are the future

Making History - K.J. Parker (2025)

Twelve scholars are called upon by their new king who slaughtered the previous ruling class to create a pretext to invade a neighboring country. He wants them to create previously a unknown ancient civilization that will serve as justification to have his countrymen die for his ambition. The king means this literally, as in building it in the world, not just as a fictional work. If they fail to do so, they will all be put to death.

What follows is a novella length exercise in worldbuilding, or in this case, city building. Everything has to be perfect, so they have to think of everything. A linguist creates a language for them, a historian writes their history, and the other scholars fabricate every other aspect of their society. A static, singular time, isn't enough though, so they have to develop it from its beginning to its end. No question is too trivial and no detail can be overlooked. Some of the scholars enjoy creating the fictional civilization so much that they temporarily forget their original goal, deadline, and punishment.

I've tried reading Parker a lot, but I've never been able to finish any of his novels and I didn't like the short fiction I read, until now. I enjoyed this a lot more than I expected. Making History is amusing, informative, and fun.

Rating: 4/5

>>24779854
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF

>>24779846
>faggot author who writes faggotry has now been tradpub'd
hashtag whoa
>>24779877
go be a newfag nigger somewhere else

>>24779834 (OP)
>TQ
Last fantasy/sci-fi book I read was the twelfth Dresden Files book, Changes, so I’d probably just go hang out in a church or something so vampires didn’t molest me

>>24779846
I'm glad to see this subgenre start getting some legitimacy even if it isn't for me. People here love to shit on litrpg but it's been very effective at getting young men to read fantasy again and for many it will be a stepping stone into traditional fantasy.

The real cringe is going to be when hollywood starts trying to do live action adaptations of litrpg and we have to see stat screens on tv

>>24780007
We already have that. We have it in anime already too

>>24779940
That shitposting being old doesn't make it not shit.

>>24779834 (OP)
Last book ready Midnight tides my plans suck Rake'cock

>>24779854
I enjoyed this one too, though less than his Engineer trilogy (which is his best prose and plotting) or Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City (which is one of my favorite recentish novels).

It was downright decent of him to only price it at $5 for a novella, rather than the $16 fucking Martha Wells wants for each new Murderbot.

>thief the black parade picture for /sffg/
Why

>>24780007
Why is bringing in new people who wouldn't normally be interested a good thing for anyone except the corps who sell it? Isn't that exact goal a driving factor of the culture rot we've seen across most hobbies and special interests over the last couple decades?

>>24780123
You're right in general but SSF is traditionally male nerds, the kind that over time were getting pulled away by things like vidya anyway. It's more like a recovery of the original audience than bringing in a new one.
Gatekeeping by age is dumb. Imagine if they had started doing that with SFF in the 60s.

>>24779854
Thanks, that sounds like a really fun book, I'm gonna check it out.

>>24780143
Vidya and traditional games were primarily male dominated spaces, and now they're full of purple hair and lgbtp+

>>24780173
Vidya players are still mostly straight dudes, a lot of the purple hairs got into the industry as developers but they are being flushed out now that it's backfired.
You might be right about tabletop sadly

The threat vector for SSF isn't even litRPG its booktok and Romantasy

Finished this the other day, the prose was not the best and I found the ending to be a bit underwhelming, but I liked the characters and I'm curious to see what happens with the protomolecule so I will be reading the next book in the series and eventually watching the show.

>>24779854
This plot sounds incredibly jewish, but in a good way, exposing them! I'll check it out. Thanks, goy.

https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/

System resumption has begun, slowly but surely. Two rumbles have been detected in the past months. Faint signs, but signs none the less.

Prepare thyself, for the Boding is upon us. The Plague of Wombs has already been spotted in Korea and in the urban centers of the West. The whirlwind is nigh. What do you see?

>>24780241
Even bakker is using AI art.

>>24780241
bakkerslop and aislop… truly disgusting

>>24780248
AI is the No God, Nihilo Ex Machina.

I just finished my first Guy Gavriel Kay novel (Tigana).
I liked it, obviously. I think Gavin got pegged at one point by a horny milf but it was left upt to interpretation what she actually did to him. On a more serious note, I really enjoyed how Brandin was humanized rather than just making him le evil wizard man despite his actions obviously giving just cause to the heroes to go against him.
The Night Walkers were just a tiny segment in the story but I felt like they left the strongest impact on me, other than the ring dive at the end.

>>24780241
>The Plague of Wombs has already been spotted in Korea and in the urban centers of the West.
What did he mean by this

>>24780299
Something like the 4B movement?

>>24779854
I quite liked his 16 Ways to Defend a Walled City, so I think I'll give this one a try.

>>24780280
I've heard GGK is hit and miss. I have "A Song for Arbonne" way up my to-read list because I only hear good things about it.

Kino

how does /sffg/ feel about haremlit?

>>24780691
Love it.

>>24780691
I like some of them as part of the emerging "romance for men" genre and some recommendations I've received here have actually been really fun reads. Many I've come across are just low effort trash, though.

Oh this is cinema. I'm not a shipper and no spoilers pls, but I need these two to end up together now.

>>24780828
Who is this? Shallan and…?

>>24780838
Kaladin, second book

>>24780591
I'm reading this right now. Great horror scenes, the was the Fugue is interspersed with the Kingdom is interesting and Shadwell is the most interesting character.

>>24780854
I hate shadwell he reminds me of a coomer. Immacolata is badass, though.

>>24780847
Ahahahah no

Literally nothing happened in this book I want my money back.

>>24780847
I hate to have to be the one to break it to you anon, but he dies a frustrated incel.
>but Tarah...
obviously didn't fuck, otherwise he wouldn't be such a turbovirgin cringelord.

>>24779854
That sounds cool, I'll be sure to look for it. Thanks anon

>>24780206
>the prose was not the best

I read the whole series recently and it can be a slog in parts, overall worth it though.

James S.A Corey's new series is good, hype for the next book next year

>>24780691
a harem sounds good until you actually deal with a woman in your life.

>>24780275
Based Bakker waiting for AGI to write No-God as the ultimate expression of Tekne

First sci fi poem ever:

e^(pi(i))+1=0

I have no idea what it means

Yet it is the most profound thing that I have ever seen in my life

>>24780691
Used to be a fun pulpy subgenre but got invaded by the inceliest incels who can't handle any plot that isn't 100% wish fulfillment and browns bringing their own fetishes into it.

>>24781223
The correct response was already demonstrated, which is, "What?".

>>24780206
the show is a little bit better than the books, which are not great. I'd give the rest of it a hard-pass and move on to Altered Carbon - the books are alright and the first season of the show is one of the only masterpiece-level adaptations of our generation.

I'm about finished with The Unholy Consult... What's something more with a happy ending but still as good?

>>24781087
I liked it. Definitely felt like a middle-of-series book, but the AI was an interesting addition, and it introduced the "series big bad" so to speak. Hard to say nothing happened, given the latter is likely to be the driving factor behind the rest of the series.

The author is one of the rare winners of self publishing and I applaud him for it. The books are pure millennialcore without going woke. Chode (semi-hard) sci-fi is fairly rarely well done and this one fits the bill, with a relatable narrative voice.

>>24781662
>as good
I'd be hard pressed to think of anything that bad to recommend. It's crazy how boring and predictable Unholy Consult was after starting off with Judging Eye and White Luck Warrior.

>>24781732
I overall enjoyed the Prince Nothing books, but I think this has had some better writing throughout.

>>24781755
I didn't particularly enjoy Prince of Nothing but didn't dislike them, they were worth the time I spent reading them and not much more. Judging Eye is one of my top five SFF books ever and White Luck Warrior is a favorite as well. Great Ordeal was dismal and I wish I'd never opened Unholy Consort. I'm kind of dreading No-God actually coming out, right now it's in a sort of superposition where it's the among the best and worst books that will ever be written, and I'd rather it stay that way than have it settle on worst when the wave function collapses.

>>24781865
I like them all so far, but man this shit is bleak and I'm going to need something more positive after.

>>24780828
the best sa scene, it won't get better than that

Kekd
Side question, what's your preferred font size for your e-reader?

>>24782107
Palatino, size, 3 no margins

>>24780299
South Korea recently legalized tattoo artists. Women will be getting tramp stamps and womb tattoos.

I'm looking for book recommendations with a specific vibe that I like to call "Occult Sci-fi". I can't really describe it well, but its basically Science Fantasy that leans more into mysticism and the esoteric and less about realism and scientific stuff. Dune kind of fits that vibe but I something more "mystical" if that makes sense, preferably with dark, foreboding undertones.

>>24782552
Laundry Files. It’s a mix of spy stuff in a lovecraftian world leaning more into the science fiction like the tv show Fringe over space sci-fi like Dune

>>24780241
Truth Shines

>>24760427
If it weren't spooky month I'd give it a shot. Didn't care much for Forgotten Warrior, but I liked the Grimnoir Chronicles well enough.

>>24782334
Have you considered reading less hentai

>>24782552
Stations of the Tide
actually just Michael Swanwick in general

Ted Chiang

>>24782552
Black Easter by James Blish

I read Blindsight because an anon here was shilling it and thought it was pretty good

What is the literary value of Alien vs Predator: Hunter’s Planet by David Bischoff?

Reminder that pierce WILL take this from you.

thank you to the anon who recommended jack vance. this is white male reading

>>24783880
clearly battle od the sexes propaganda with xenomorphs representing the feminine virtues of fertility and care-guving and the predator representing the masculine virtues of strength, cunning, and the provider role

What y’all know about the 90s ?

>>24783886
Good. Virginia screwed everything up and Pax will never be a Blue.

>>24783970
Wat da dawg doin?

>>24783938
I'm sorry I got you into him now.

>>24783970
I raise you. Is yours any good though?

>>24784103
It left a solid impression on me for a book I read once. I just rediscovered it and rereading it now to see if it holds up. It’s pretty intense for a YA book if I recall

Is culture the closest thing we have to an era defining space opera like Star Wars and Star Trek?

>>24783991
Please respect my horse.

>>24784259
It is Red Rising, buddy. Also Sun Eater.

I've been reading new Abercrombie, Devils (2025), after not following his latest prose for a while. It's pretty much a great example of literary bloat, I don't know if he gets paid by the word, but it's a 700 pager that feels like it can be crammed in 300.

This based on me being 100 pages deep and witnessing endless back and forth between two character arcs, and thanks to Abercrombie's desire to fill up the page, both are the same person, and so is everyone else. The only difference between them is their physique and sex. But for fuck's sake, Abercrombie can't stop with whimsical, Critical Role tier character dialogue, where everyone has a quip and each exchange is punctuated by dumb fucking question since everyone is being cute and not giving proper information.

>I thought your predecessor would do it, but -
>My... predecessor?
>Yeah, shame what happened to her.
>What... happened?
>Doesn't matter now, Twix, Gruff McBulge interjected. Leave that for when we get the axe.
>The axe?
>No worries, I'm sure you will be able to read the runes correctly and avoid Agatha's fate.
>Agatha?
>Your predecessor, stupid. Jeez, Gruff, where do they find them?
>They?

A caricature, of course, but I shit you not, this is how Abercrombie wrote this book. I don't remember his early work being this shit. Also does not give a fuck about the setting but that's not a big deal for me.

>>24779854
>As if Deadpool slipped into the body of Witcher Geralt

>book for fantasy fans
>Geralt must be specified to be a Witcher Geralt

>>24783970
HOWDY DOODLE YALL!!!!

>>24784312
Whimsical… as fuck

>>24779834 (OP)
What is the Thief: The Dark Project of fantasy lit?

>>24784312
>I've been reading new Abercrombie
stopped reading there

>>24780007
>for many it will be a stepping stone into traditional fantasy
more likely authors and publishers will gravitate towards publishing stuff that appeals to these people

>>24784386
I'll give a soft rec to The Lies of Locke Lamora

it's not very good at being a fantasy heist novel, but then again TDP isn't very good at being a fantasy heist game...

>>24784312
No, his earlier work wasn't like this at all.

I swear he had an idea for a movie, but he was like, "Fuck, I need to write it as a book first" and he just spewed out the first things that came to mind with no thought.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/james-cameron-write-joe-abercrombie-the-devils-1236235447/

I remember it gets worse as it goes on, good luck anon.

>>24784463
Needs to be anime

>>24784463
Having James Cameron do the writing with you seems like an insult even for Abercrombie. Also it's not like Jimbo will ever film it but if it did you know he would outsource city design sp you'd get pajeet AI- Vatican immediately.

>>24784265
Sorry horsefag. Maybe she'll turn things around in Red God. If she and Darrow lose hopefully she'll get a noble death at least. Abomination redemption arc incoming btw
Also Victra best girl.
>>24784269
This. Ruocchio is a big Iain Banks fan thoughbeit.

>>24784484
How is it an insult? Cameron writes all of his movies, and he's written some other people's movies too

>>24781556
what's wrong with wish fulfillment?

>>24779834 (OP)
>Fans favorite character
>Carry 5 books on his own
>Die as turbo Virgin
What sandersoy mean by this?

>>24785245
He's Jesus.
Imagine, ten years later Shallan is a single mom, completely broken after the news of Adolin cheating with Maya. She's working in a brothel, weaving physical illusions for clients.
Kaladin returns and saves her from the pits of depravity. Very Jesus-like.

>>24785245
>dies
lmao
Also careful with spoilers anon. There are a few stormlight readers in here

>>24784312
I usually love Abercrombie's work, but this was his first book that I did not care for. It's like popcorn, easy to consume but never filling. And of course it's going to be his first work that gets made into film, because it's on that medieval fantasy suicide squad kick with pithy retorts on every page that would just work perfectly for a B movie.

I'm happy that he's made it, but I am not the target audience anymore.

>>24785606
I’m sure I read somewhere that he wrote it basically to be adapted which is why it feels it already feels like a film

>>24780241
No-God bros..... any day now.....

Somebody ITT trying to spoil my books for other posters? Heh... well I'd like to see them try

>>24784312
>>24784372
...AS FUCK

I DNF'd about 100 pages in. This was my first Abercrombie book. I'll give First Law a try eventually but it definitely soured my opinion of him. I got the book when he was on tour, was invited by a couple of friends who love First Law. He read the first 2 pages of the book at the start of his talk and I realized I was the only person not laughing at the humor (haha the punchline is that we're cussing!) and was suddenly aware that I had probably made a mistake starting with this book.

>>24786023
before they are hanged, basically books with logan ninefingers are fun
also best served cold
even then he's mid but it's endearing schlock

devils is a fucking abomination though

>>24786023
>her
Stopped reading there.

>>24785368
There were a few stormlight readers in here.
I doubt anyone actually still cares about this botched series.

>>24786023
It's dogshit.

Too bad you started with Abercrombie's worst book by far. The Devils is what would happen if Rebecca Yarros tried to write The First Law series. Abercrombie has become a caricature of his former self.

You should at least give The First Law series a shot. It's pretty good. The Devils and his attempt at a YA series are both notoriously bad.

>>24786023
Oof. That's a wretched passage.

>>24786267
Wretched as fuck.

>>24785181
Wish fulfillment is an ingredient, not a whole meal unto itself. If the audience is too sensitive to tolerate any kind of obstacles, complications, hardships, etc in the narrative then the story will be flat and boring.

>>24786619
>If the audience is too sensitive to tolerate any kind of obstacles, complications, hardships, etc in the narrative
what kind of obstacles or complications are you referring to? As far as I know, the only "taboo" that exists within the space is the inclusion of cheating/NTR/etc plot elements, but I'd argue that most men in general just don't like that kind of shit - even outside of the haremlit genre.

what are some sff books with cute hags?

>>24786886
cyteen
merovingian nights

... come to think of it just every CJ Cherryh novel with a female lead

>>24785606
I think it could be really good as a film or an anime.

>>24786886
Dune

>>24786886
The Belgariad

Half way through pic related, having the time of my life.

Mile Cameron is a LARP-autist irl so the book seems to take itself more seriously than a lot of other fantasy I've read.
>knights need a squire + valet to arm and operate
>Full-plate armor makes them killing machines against unarmored humans and monsters

It even has a Magic System™

>>24787595
I'm sold. I'll buy the whole series when I next have money (I never have the money, I just spend when I can't until I REALLY can't).

>>24786886
The Prince of Nothing.

>>24787595
His "Chivalry" series written as Christian Cameron is great fun.

Randle Thor is Lewis Therin.

>>24787656
NTA
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Last one I read was a cyberpunk book where a dude left his wife to join a war in the Ukraine. Was full of stuff that already happens, only exaggerated satire https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FDZZ6FYP

>>24787710
>brown milf
interesting...

>>24787710
The hag is the least attractive of the two women in the story, though. And she gets mogged by her daughters in AE.

>>24787797
>>24787825
I was talking about the momcestfu

>>24787867
oh shit i totally forgot about them, yes the momcest was nice

terrible thread

>>24787595
I finished the book, its okish 5.5/10, nothing special but at least its not pozzed.

I read these recently, does it still count as capeshit if it's a book?

>>24781087
>paying for books
ngmi
oceanofpdf.com

>>24787159
>>24787231
>>24787710
thanks.
>>24786984
i did read Cyteen but i didn't know that older female mc was her thing. i have the Chanur omnibus sitting in my backlog so i will probably give that a shot

>>24788290
Not my fault your poor.

>>24787785
Anon, I like paper.

>>24787867
I forgot there were actually three women.

>>24788575
Then go to the library.

Any sff stories were humanity was (or nearly) wiped by aliens and we follow the last survivors? preferably set in space and has revenge motifs.

>>24788870
Children of Time has you following the last survivors of Earth through space over their journey alongside an interesting set up on the new planet they find. No aliens destroying Earth but it’s basically dead

>>24788870
Anvil of Stars, the sequel to The Forge of God.

>>24788870
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

>>24788870
Fuck BSG is so good. Thanks for reminding me to rewatch it.

>>24789147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfaTEGGtVf8

>>24789147
Battlestar Galactica was a great show until... halfway through season three? I can't recall exactly when it jumped the shark, it's been a while. Of course now it's been long enough that I'm questioning if it were ever that good in the first place. There wasn't anything else on television quite like it back then.

I can definitely say that Caprica left a lot to be desired.

>>24789163
blends so well with the tone and style of music throughout the show.
>>24789325
I loved it all even season 4 and caprica. Blood and Chrome film and the Plan are kino too sorry I can't lie

Paved with Good Intentions, The War For The Rose Throne - Peter McLean (2025)

Paved with Good Intentions is a standalone novel in the same setting as the other four books in the War for the Rose Throne. The events of the story take place after those books and feature some of the same characters, and reference more, and yet there are surprisingly few spoilers for what happens in the main series.

The story starts with Eline murdering her abusive husband and then being offered by the government to work for them instead of being put to death. So begins the story of her rise to power through murdering, whoring, and intrigue.

Eline isn't psychopathic by nature, so she has to create all sorts of rationalizations for what she does, and her PTSD symptoms grow ever worse. For the reader, the most notable symptom is intrusive thoughts which take the form of the same statements repeated regularly throughout the book such as "I killed a man" and "I murdered my husband" and mentions of violent fantasies. It becomes repetitive, and there's surely a better way to express it, but overall it's fine.

As the story progresses, Eline finds herself in situations of ever higher stakes and greater pressure and that takes a toll on her, and everyone else she's involved with. Life comes at her fast, as the narrative steadily moves forward and escalates quickly. She and those with her keep pace, but their development does seem accelerated, which is noted by the characters.

Compared to the other books in the series, there was much less that I had to look past and accept for being what it was. This one was at least as fun though, so it may well be the one I most enjoyed. That being said, this is the sort of story that's best left as a standalone, as having more would only weigh it down. I'd still read more and enjoy it, but it'd be for the best to let this complete story stand on its own.

A reasonable assumption would be that there are sex scenes, since there's whoring. Surprisingly, there aren't any explicit scenes of penetrative sex. There's a lot of sexual talk and a few described sex acts, but nothing more than that. The violence though, that's explicit.

There's a considerable amount of social commentary, though the characters and exposition rarely directly state their views. This is a story where the characters are lying to each other constantly and everything is an act. Everyone is expected to do and know this and those that don't, won't get very far. That's politics for you.

Keeping in line with the previous books, this one is a Hobbesian affair. A war of all against all, where life for many is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. None of the characters are concerned with improving the world or helping others, or at least it's not a priority. Their mindset is to do what they can to survive, and if fortunate, to thrive at the expense of others. That's not something I'd want to have as the bulk of my reading, but it's fine at times.

Rating: 4/5

>>24789445
You got a faggot crying about your posts for at least 3 years now lmao
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21198257#p21199621
newfags really do be on some shit

>>24789467
Oh, I know it. It's been more than 3 years and he's not the only one who has done silly stuff. There was one anon who reposted what I'd written and rewrote parts of the text while pretending to be me.

Aethon > Moonquill

>>24788894
Is Greg Bear any good? Ive only read one of his books (Hull Zero Three) and felt that his prose was terrible.

Picked up Gideon the Ninth

>>24789605
Put it back down. Trust me on this.

>>24789605
>Gideon the Ninth
lol

>>24779834 (OP)
What am

This and so far every attempt at darker fantasy has been utterly pathetic. What a dogshit rushed ending with forced character changes and uninteresting motives. The dead king true identity is a disgrace of an attempt to insert a twist in a bad story. That to not mention how garbage the flashbacks are.
Fuck whoever recommended this series.

>>24789650
>>24789654
oh you guys poo-poo everything

>>24789699
Nope, just literal shit.

>>24789515
His early stuff was great.

>>24789699
/sffg/ loves Gideon the Ninth because it's megapopular bullshit.

>>24789687
rule of thumb is to disregard any generic title modern book. Words to avoid:
>rose
>thorn
>dragon
>blood
>throne
>the girl/boy with...
etc

Christ bros, we're eating good.

>>24789740
>Till We Have Faces
What...

>>24789735

>>>the girl/boy with...
With, of course, one notable exception.

RRbros they were selling the deluxe special good goy edition at NYCC at the penguin random house booth. Naturally mine has already shipped so I didn't buy one there. But it looks really, really good in person

>>24789445
>>24789494
your """reviews""" are SHIT
FUCK OFF
>>24789467
Newfag detected

>>24789810
Yeah I saw it on PBs instagram and it looked good and then I saw the book of Lorn and it looked shit. Wish it was a proper book instead of this hybrid thing and I wish it was Red God instead.

>>24789605
>>24789650
>>24789654
>>24789699
>>24789707
>>24789725
I have about as much respect for Gideon the Ninth as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hot pocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it. It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon. It is non-neurotypicality. It is memes. It is video game. It is tarantino. It is imdb.
It is coca-cola puberty. it is axe body spray. it is a white stain on boxer shorts. it is arri alexa hot dog caffeine on disney channel.

>>24789814
you are always going to be a newfag nigger

just give me some Red God news I'm begging you Pierce Brown

>>24789816
>>24789834
He’s doing the GRRM side quests. It’s over…

What does this general think about Patrick Rothfuss? is he hack? or just another case of GRRMism?

>>24789862
check out the webnovel general for Rothfuss discussion

Shifting Landscape of Epic Fantasy
https://youtu.be/OxhX_Ct9f-4
This was interesting. I had it on 2x speed though, because it is long.

>>24788662
But I want to add to my collection.

>>24789862
Just read the name of the wind and you'll see. It's really good.

>>24789898
>>24790031
lol

>>24789833
Cope Newfag
You had to search through the archives to know i've been doing this for a while, anyone familar with /sffg/ would know that already
Retarded newfag

>>24789862
>Kvothe found her cucking him in the grass, moaning.

Is there a single fantasy book that even came out this year for males

>>24789818
Its a book about lesbians in space. Don't have to take it so seriously lmao

>>24790081
No.

>>24790081
In what way?

>>24790081
Devils

>>24790052
posted it again award

>>24780691
I really like it, just can't help myself.
But I wish it was easier to separate the "really bad" from the "kinda decent" within the genre.

>>24790052
>I came here after 2016 and
What does this have to do with literature?

>>24790031
got it as a gift
Not touching it before the third book is out.

>>24790358
lol

>>24790031
>>24790063
I did read both books, the first one was good imo, but yes, the second one went off the rails to say the least.

>>24779846
...is it any good? I dropped sufficiently advanced magic halfway through when it was still interminable play by plays of magic-school classes and the only intrigue was him stealing a magic newsreel showing some political shit with a random mysterous op litrpg guy showing up in a senate session 2 countries away

>>24790416
>... is it any good?
Rowe's first series had its first novel(?) end with its MC kissing another dude out of nowhere lol so if you believe modern Western faggotry politics is good then YES

>>24790428
that explains why it got published

>>24790428
>so if you believe modern Western faggotry politics is good
I wholeheartedly support the gay agenda. Hopefully the last straight man will be brainwashed within 5 years.
however all the gay sex in a the world still won't redeem a boring-school-classes arc.

>>24790431
Yeah. There is no quality control. It's all faggotry and agenda-shit. Like >>24790432 saying he supports gay shit because it is gay with absolutely zero nuance beyond. Literal sub100IQ-having barely-functional autistic mongrels.

>>24790358
Then you'll never touch it. Enjoy it while you can.

>>24780691
I wish I could enjoy it but it feels too much like slop

>>24789605
it's good if you can survive through the whedonesque quips. i recall the sequels being better

>Dungeon Crawler Carl book 8 is officially going to be titled A Parade of Horribles
thoughts and opinions?
my own: parade of horribles sounds unevocative and presents no imagination or context for me to go off ot

>>24790501
Who cares. He could literally have called it DCC Book 8 and people would still buy it.

>>24790501
I already posted about this.

>>24790527
that's any popular book
>who cares about book discussion
newfag

>>24790501
Is DCC actually good?

>>24790727
Yes, it's by far the best written litrpg. Even normies like it.

>come to thread for good scifi recs and discussion
>it's 99% fantasy fags
why are you like this?
why doesn't scifi just have it's own thread at this point even if it slides? would at least be more honest

>>24790829
What kind of science fiction would you like anon? I'll help you out buddy.

>>24790833
could use some more "experiment goes wrong" books.
read The Fold recently and enjoyed it well enough, but am looking for an unfolding disaster feel like Half Life's resonance cascade event etc

I need some excellent grimdark. I've read all the usual suspects, Bakker and Abercrombie and Lawrence and Fletcher. Gimme something deep and dark and bleak.

>>24790841
First thing that jumps to mind is Blood Music by Greg Bear. If you like PKD The Eye In The Sky is a great underrated Novel no one talks about, where an experiment with a particle accelerator goes wrong.

>>24789735
>mfw my story is called Rosethorn: The Boy of the Dragon's Blood

>>24790847
read Blood Music, also i see what you did there
>bitch about saturation of fantasy in thread
>want experiment gone wrong scifi
>book about experiment gone wrong transporting someone to a fantasy world
har har

>>24789735
But my story is called:
Roseblood Throne: The Girl With The Dragon Thorn

>>24788494
>your

>>24790843
Malazan

>>24786023
Abercrombie is REDDIT, and anyone who enjoys his books is a FAGGOT. Simple as.

>>24789687
>What a dogshit rushed ending with forced character changes and uninteresting motives.
>Fuck whoever recommended this series.
"Mark Lawrence" was the dead giveaway.

>>24789740
>we're eating good.
kys

>>24790727
No. LitRPG is for faggots.

>>24788290
>>oceanofpdf.com
>he's not using private trackers
ngmi

Is The Black Company worth reading?

>>24779834 (OP)
Can anyone give me a fantasy series similar to the Thief video game series? I feel like that would work really well as a book.

>>24790903
The Lies of Locke Lamora, but only the first book.

>>24790900
The books are short enough that you can just pick up the first three, go through them and decide for yourself. That's what I did.
My decision was not to continue

>>24790958
>My decision was not to continue
Why? What didn't you like about it?

>>24790961
I just didn't need another story about plucky rebels and the chosen one defeating an ancient evil

>>24790272
Been here since 2012, newfag

>>24790983
> 2012
Newfag

>>24790983
I came on the 4chins in 2008 and I'll always be a newfag who should shut up and lurk

>>24790900
I recently read the first book and found it to be a waste of time.

>>24782107
Wtf is that.

>>24791027
Dungeon Crawler Carl, says so right there.

Got this on sale for 99p. What am I in for?

Anyone have recommendations for utopian novels written in the past 10 years?

>>24791426
Kino and not what you expect from the blurb. Just be prepared for it to take it's time to show the reader what the scope of the story actually is.

>>24791445
Define "utopia".

>>24781586
i thought the ending of season 1 was ham fisted dei check boxes. also, in an effort to "empower" ortega, they made her a basket case through out. giving the hotel construct more of a role was the only nice addition imo.

>>24787731
Seconding this.
it's historical fiction set during the 100 years war and follows William Gold on his journey from camp follower to knight, very true to it's historical setting.
I really appreciated how a lot of the story centered around William's struggle to balance his faith as a christian and his position as a member of the soldiering class.

Hey Paul (black sun dude), did your inexplicably-not-considered-self-promotion post on faggit drive any sales? Genuinely curious, since it seems to have had heavy engagement.

>>24791488
/wng/

>>24791450
Fiction that is a thinly veiled treatise for a proposed society

>>24791509
That can still be widely interpreted to include a lot of sci-fi, but here's a fantasy novel copypasted synopsis of a book I know about but haven't read.

The Just City is a 2015 fantasy novel by Jo Walton that explores the practical application of Plato's philosophy in a utopian community founded by the goddess Pallas Athene. The story follows a diverse group of people from across time, brought together to raise children as philosopher-kings and create a perfect society on a Mediterranean island, but they must grapple with the challenges of human nature and the inherent flaws in the utopian ideal.

>>24791488
eight (8) sales last night. Fortunately a single person accused the art of being AI, so maybe next week I can post it again on some other subreddit complaining about being AInvestigated and get even more updoots. It’s shameful behavior, I know.

>>24791541
You accused yourself, didn't you?

>>24791596
Didn't need to. Redditors can be really stupid at times

>>24791620
But then again a few of them bought my book, so surely they can't all be bad

>>24791621
They can be bad and you can still take their money. It's OK.

>Try and read Mistborn
>The main character is an edgy gary stu who can easily beat whole squads of specialists trained to counter his powers from the first few chapters
And dropped. I thought Brandon Sanderson was meant to be a good author?

>>24791703
But the main character of Mistborn is the girl?

>>24791426
The first book was pure kino. I didn't like the change in the second book and dropped it a quarter of the way in.

>>24791707
Well I dropped it only five chapters in, where she hadn't really done anything, but the characters so far are so offputting I can't be fucked to go on.

>>24791703
>>24791707
>>24791718
I too am attempting to retry mistborn. I dropped it on book two ages ago, but now I need to power through them again since I love Stormlight.

>>24791723
Mistborn 2 is weaker because of Zane but I liked the ending and twist that the prophecy was a fake one by the villain to try and get people to release him by constantly changing events

>>24791703
>Brandon Sanderson was meant to be a good author?
what

>>24791735
>I am.....LE INSANE

>>24790886
I already read it all. Like I said, most of the typical recs I've devoured.

>>24791541
Reddit wouldn't buy my book.

>>24791860
What’s your book?

>>24788269
ooh these is the exact sort of 80's artifacts I love. were they any good?

>>24788290
I like to support the industry!

>>24791426
Chinese history with a Greek pantheon.

>>24791993
The industry that openly, explicitly hates you and doesn't want to print books for you?

Weird call but you do you, bro.

>>24791488

What does this mean

>>24791990
I thought they were great. They were released to coincide with the first two Superman movies but they aren't novelizations, they're completely original plots. I don't know if you know anything about Superman but they do a great job exploring the psychology of the character in the pre-Crisis era, the same goes for Lex Luthor who is almost a dual protagonist in both books.

>>24790501
people who read this muck should be kneecapped

>>24791703
I thought at first the squads were only trained to counter the normal boring mages and not the special snowflake OPMC mistborn mages who can use every spell type (metal) at once.
But nope going back and checking it really does say they are specially trained to counter mistborn.

>>24780691
I think as long as they give female characters agency it can be good. The issue is that as a sub-genre the entire conceit is to spend as much time as possible with female characters who lack any agency. Considering there entire point is to spend them with female characters (who lack agency) it just removes all drama and intrigue making them flat, boring and uninteresting. Shout out sexy space babes for actually having someone break up with the mc.

I wish Gene Wolfe was alive so I could murder the pretentious autofellating fucker myself. Some anon mentioned picrelated, and even though I was not a fan after suffering through 3 New Sun books, the premise looked quirky enough. Unfortunately, instead of doing something cool with the premise of recurring amnesia like Planescape: Torment, this is just another BOTN-style slop of academic diarrhea where the characters can't walk 2 steps without stumbling into some cryptic prophecy and everyone talks like a theater kid. God forbid I'm not confused for 2 seconds, Gene. Rest in piss.

So RIfaggot has been shitting up the webnovel general this entire time. As bad as this thread is, at least we ONLY have Bakkerfag's low-functioning autism to deal with and not BOTH Bakkerfag AND RIfag's obnoxious narcissism.

>>24791620
Feels bad man. This niche mystery visual novel series I follow got its final entry (trilogy) today, after several years of development. Only to get downbooted because normalfags can't comprehend non-megapopular garbage.

Is it acceptable to have a main character whose core motivation changes throughout the story?

>>24792291
Filtered

>>24792353
That depends how much it changes the story and whether the reader can accept those changes. There are a good number of popular series that have done that.

>>24791541
>>24791488
18 sales now. Good numbers for me, I suggest other writefags post on bwebbit as well.
>>24792146
I post in these threads and /tg/ on occasion for unwarranted shilling of my book. Someone else here caught me doing the same on a writing subreddit
>>24792342
Pigs eat slop, simple as. Don't let it get to you

Has there been any red god news

>>24779854
>narnia meets manly p hall

Any ninja theme books?

>>24792291
Filtered

>>24790081
that era is over anon

>>24790081
You still have time left to write one.

Yo any grrm updates
What dat fat fuck giving me his book already

>>24790849
I'm pretty sure at this point is that as long as you aren't inspired by modern romantasy any recommendation can just be avoided.

>Second chapter of the book A Tide of Black Steel.

>The female lead is introduced by effortlessly killing a young warrior for not immediately recognizing and standing down to her authority.

>Thinks that it's a better death than someone who defies the Sister Queens deserves.

>Approaches two guards openly, both are immediately cowed except for the guy who gives slight push back but doesn't stop her, and he gets called prideful.

>She walks into the feast hall, and everyone goes quiet. Except for the head honcho, who starts bad-mouthing her.

>She ignores everyone while the big chief gets increasingly agitated, going as far as to call her and her queens bitches.

>The only one she gives any attention to is his daughter, whom she waxes poetically over, saying how beautiful she looks in the cotton dress in an internal monologue.

Gonna be honest, at every step of this, I checked out more and more. Ended up skipping halfway through the chapter.

>>24792960
This girl boss shit is a cancer. It was bad back in 2015-2015 when I last read fantasy, I can only imagine what it's like now.

>>24791703
Mistborn era 1 isn't good. Think of it as Sanderson experimenting and learning lessons.

>>24792967
girlboss cancer has now advanced to the cancer being the girlboss superpower

>>24792220
>>24791703

Hazekillers are still just normal people; they're not really a counter, they're just equipped to not get immediately fucked when fighting a misborn.

>>24790081
anon straight white males (and I'm including here Japanese and also black men who hate nigger/gypsy behavior) use their head and don't guzzle trash from the gutter like minority audiences
publishing has gone the way of the Democratic party: the low-hanging fruit, the diversity hiring, the catering to the lowest common denominator (the stupid, the ugly, and the unscrupulous)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-duty_dollar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_bloc

they basically committed suicide

>>24790081
No, because men don't actually buy from trad pub anymore.

>>24792968
Sanderson is God awful. Terrible writer, terrible person.

>>24791541
Post your book name and I might check it out

Well since it's a Spooky Month, got any witchy books to recommend
I really like witches okay

>>24793069
I doubt he cares about your opinion given his bank balance.

>>24793069
Wind of Truth was very very good.

>>24792922
What?

>>24793121
IF YOU ARE NOT WRITING ROMANTASY, ANY RECOMMENDATION CAN BE IGNORED BECAUSE YOUR WRITING WILL NOT SLOP.

>>24793074
Born Under a Black Sun, you can have the epub if you’d like https://mega.nz/file/IwYXiBAA#l2J-KoSDyM0dHadySg-xekXTcSyma0LWhUINhrhBuuo

>>24793222
>Born Under a Black Sun
not reading your racist drivel

>>24793077
The spooks apprentice is really good imo the first five especially

>>24793292
I highly recommend not reading the last book in the series though

>>24793252
? It’s Nepalcore

>>24793292
>>24793297
Does he ever make an honest woman out of the witch girl?

>>24793340
No

>>24792967
>>24792994
I enjoyed The Black Magician trilogy by Trudi Canavan.
The magic system was fun.

>>24793340
She cucks him and he forgives her. I'm not even joking.

>>24793069
He dominates the industry for a reason. He's extremely competent and has dssp technical knowledge on narrative structure.

>>24793069
> le popular thing is bad

Zoinks you're based!!

>>24793222
I'll read it

The only Sci-Fi I have read is Three Body Problem and Blindsight. What should my next one be?

>>24793531
Try out the Foundation trilogy, or something by Phillip K Dick

>>24793531
Fifth Head of Cerberus

>>24793494
>>24793510
Sanderson wasn’t that popular until he finished the Wheel of Time series after Robert Jordan died. His whole career is an egregious case of stolen valor. His quips are Reddit-tier and his Cosmere is the MCU of literature.

>>24793531
Rendezvous with Rama should be easy enough

Apparently there's an advanced reader copy of the coming Jim Butcher book floating around the high seas
Wherefore might a nigga find such loot?

>>24790985
>>24790988
>newfags larping as oldfags
tale old as time

>what if the Glanton Gang from Blood Meridian went through the mines of Moria?
Absolutely kino. I've read the first trilogy (Prince of Nothing) after seeing it shilled in different boards over here, and I loved it. I've felt like I was a teenager again reading LOTR or GOT, couldn't put it down. One of the things that shock me the most is how you start the books thinking (like Kellhus) that the gods aren't real and religion is just a tool of control, but actually the gods ARE real and everybody is going to hell and the rapist alien monsters are actually in the right. Also, both Kellhus and Cnaiur are literally me.

>>24794104
>reading comprehension this bad
Oof.
>>24794156
You may also enjoy Bakker's first two books (Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog)

>>24793222
>You know, maybe the real black sun was the friends we made along the way

Masterful ending. I clapped.

Considering reading finest edge of twilight but the MC being an offspring of two already established characters who is already level 15 multi class as a teenager kind of puts me off
Someone read it already?

>>24787595
I've read this whole series and another one by Cameron. I like a lot of things about him but I dislike a lot things. He inserts progressive politics obnoxiously. And in this series he occasionally slips into modern-style atheist diatribes that don't feel like the character.

>>24794156
welcome to the bakkerfold

>>24794547
Truth shines indeed

>>24794159
>start reading Neuropath
>within the first few pages a dad has to deal with his son showing off his boner to his baby sister
>a former drag queen in a physically abusive relationship helps watch the kids (dad is divorced)
Hahaha, oh wow. Canada is a funky place.

>>24794156
Yes, it's kino. But Bakkermaniac's are in an even worse position than GRRMfags. At least Gurm's publishers speak to him and actually want to publish The Winds of Winter. We are condemned to tricking people into reading an unfinished series in the hope that we can gaslight Bakker's publishers into releasing what will undoubtedly be an unprofitable book. Welcome to The Unholy 4chonsult.

>>24790983
So you're a newfag. Thanks for playing. Kill yourself, Bakkerfag.

>>24780280
>I liked it, obviously.
Obviously? I found it to be utter garbage. Brandin was probably the least bad character, but the bar is not very high.

>>24782552
Solaris, but it's shit.
Doomed City by brothers Strugatski, but it's kinda obscure in the west and I don't know if the translation is any good.
Lord of Light is mystic, but not particularly dark.
BOTNS qualifies I guess.

>>24794156
NTR in hentai is fine, but in a book? Never really could get over the cucking.

Is it ableist to make the child of a legendary hero and a legendary woman into a legendary hero himself?

>>24794873
>utter garbage
It's hyperbole like this that makes it pointless to talk to anyone here

>>24793435
The magic system was basically DBZ with slightly more explanation for Ki

>>24780206
It gets better, keep reading

>>24793531
Revelation Space

Stories in which parenthood is treated as a goal rather than some sort of burden?

>>24795127
And?

>>24794941
Then it seems you can't escape The Darkness that Comes Before heh
No, but seriously, I thought that it was going to be something ridiculous reading comments like this before, but I don't think it's so bad. The stuff with Serwe is an attack vector against Cnaiur and with Esmenet, well, she is a whore so...

Make new

>>24795254
And that's why it was rad.

>>24795309
Got any more books like it?

>>24795234
>parenthood is treated as a goal
This is a weird way to phrase it, or think of it. Parenthood isn't a goal, it's a process. The goal is successfully raising your children to be healthy adults capable of pursuing their own lives. Being a parent is merely a means to that end, it's not an end in itself. You don't rest easy once you become a parent. The work has just begun.

>>24795315
No, that's why I reread Black Magician trilogy every so often I've probably read it a dozen times in my life. I've read a lot of Karen MIller's other books but none of them really scratch the same itch. She's written a prequel to Black Magician, and wrote a sequel, but the prequel was less interesting because I know how it ends, and the sequel got derailed by a deranged feminist power fantasy.

>>24795321
>Karen MIller's
Sorry, I mean Trudi Canavan. Karen Miller is another female author with a book series I really like but haven't found anything as good by her.