Thread 24786512

I am an animal, and all my desires and aspirations ultimately derive from the animalistic programming that I was imbued with at conception. I suffer every day from this condition, a condition that I never chose to have, and this suffering is its way of leashing and controlling my actions so that they are in accord with its primal Will. I cannot escape this, and as a result have no free will of my own, and this fact makes me feel humiliated and powerless. All I can do is continue entertaining my basal instincts like the pathetic slave that I am, and please my Darwinian overlord that is my genetic DNA. This makes me no better than any other mindless animal that lives blindly according to its instincts, and my death will be no different and no more dignified.

anti-natalist shill thread #874372

>>24786512 (OP)
The Schopenpseuds have much to be pessimistic about, but the worst of it all has to be living a life where you refresh /lit/ five times an hour and post the same boring slop threads multiple times a day. The idealistanons argue about and discuss philosophy, the Schopenpseuds have nothing but memes and one-line zingers. Come home.

>>24786533
>I have no argument so will resort to calling you names

Anti-natalism, like gnosticism, is irrefutable

>>24786572
So just kill yourself then. What are you waiting for?

>>24786593
That is entry level "you disagree so just kill yourself!!". Natalists really have no argument and it is very comical.

>>24786593
Because it would cause varying degrees of psychological suffering to people you have a bond with

>>24786572
The existence of BDSM as a fun activity disproves both.

>>24786512 (OP)
you haven't actually read Schopenhauer

>>24786602
Well, why don't they?

>>24786641
Then life doesn't create suffering because of the existence of others who share our pains, enabling empathy. But lets be serious here for a second, no one seems to have any connection to anyone if they spend all their time here.

>>24786558
Imagine being zinged and filtered this hard

>>24786558
You guys are exactly the same.

>>24786647
This.

Pic rel is so far superior anyway.

>Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and more intensely the thinking is occupied with them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.
-Critique of Practical Reason.

>>24786512 (OP)
Imagine being so mindbroken. Stop hitting yourself.

Come home.

>>24789303
YEAH NAH CHEERS CUNT I'D RATHER STARE AT A WALL FOR SEVEN YEARS, OFF TO DO THAT NOW, BYE.

A b c
Always be conceptualizing

A i d j
A Apperception
I intelligence
D deduction
J judgment

You've got the platonic ideas coming in. You think they came in here to get out of the rain? A concept don't walk on the lot lest it wants to be appercepted. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their wisdom. Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it? What's the problem, pal? You... Anon.

>schopes be like
>>I am so buddhist, life sux!!!
and buddha says, have you tried not suffering yet?

>>24786660
Life objectively creates suffering, as a simple cause and effect chain of events. All experience is contained within the set "life", therefore creating the set "life" creates all experiences. That is a simple fact, but the implications and value judgements of it are subjective opinions.

>>24786648
>>24786593
>>24786533
I know you find this very difficult to understand, but antinatalism only refers to the CREATION of life, and not to the ENDING of life. Many antinatalists, like myself, think life is excellent and find living to be a magical experience. I have no reason or desire to kill myself.
I do, however, believe that it is unethical to create a sentient life because it doesn't conform to my standards of consent. I enjoy skydiving, but that doesn't give me the right to impose skydiving onto someone. It's not complicated, so why not engage with it with some self-respect for your intelligence?

Make a thread for pro-mortalism or pessimism if you want to critique that

>>24789508
So it's not even a philosophy then, it's just your personal preference.

You could've saved everybody time by just saying "I don't want kids", because that's essentially all you said.

>>24789835
>it's just your personal preference.
To be fair, most if not all philosophers, especially western ones, do nothing but state and argue for their meaningless preferences. However, they demand to be heard and call it fascism when you tell them to shut up, for some reason.

>>24789508
I just like telling people to kill themselves. Stop overanalyzing shit. Its a fun hobby.

>>24786512 (OP)
There is no reason for your end to not be living *as a Human* and be happy with that. You are a beast and whatever ideal you hold of happiness is a concept stemming from your beastly happiness, your beastly end, there is no 'Higher realm' from which you pulled it from. If you can't achieve it it's because you haven't achieved what it takes, or you've failed to define it properly.

The desire to have "Free Will" in the "I am a literal god above reality" sense is a corruption of a real desire.
Humans, their ego, their will, do desire to be independent from as many things as possible but if you're depressed for not
being able to becoming a god you're taking it too far.

Humans are happy when they're independent :

From nature, through technologies of abundance
From other individuals, through strength and weapons and friends who also value individual freedom
From emotions and pleasure holding a complete hold over your actions
From your mind wrongfully telling you to negate all emotions, all worldly pleasure and telling you only it, the spirit, matters.
And when they concretize all this independence through creative achievements that capture their individuality.
You must desire things for yourself, tame you laziness and hedonism, understand the world, develop skills and create and enjoy your creations that you've made on your own ( not *completely* on your own, just with enough individual thought put into it, you can build on top of others )


In reality, your conscience, what you view as "you", your ego, your self, only subsists through awareness and control, when you let another decide for you or succumb completely to your sensations, or succumb completely to your spirit, or to an ideology your *self* will die. I like to think that animals die when their heart stop beating but humans, their self (the thing that achieves happiness), die when their forget themselves, in slavery.