Thread 24788097

Superhero edition

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>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml


>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed]

Recommended web novels
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Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn

author spreadsheet still missing our highest profile author...

>>24788101
Haha it's okay, I don't need to be on your guys' list.

should i start writing RR reviews with a “sinometer”, aka measuring how chinese wn-like each WN is and arbitrating thus: low reviews for containing the taint of MTL-like chinesery; high reviews if they have western literary tropes and a lack of chinese ones?

>>24788027
>4chan pass user in the webnovel general
Whale-kun, how many patreons are you subscribed too?

>>24788126
your scale is backwards, westslopper-kun

As a westoid I hate to admit it but the east are dominating us in the webnovel literature sphere. At first I thought it was because of sheer volume of output but the more I thought about it the more I realized it was incorrect. No, the reason asians are so good at it is the lack of morals. While your average western webnovelist is busy laying out their characters moral values with sensitivity mittens for their latest slow burn epic, the average asian webnovelist has already skipped that shit with their edgelord mc already offing the first of their opponents and established a basic understanding of the world while sizing up the next competitor to murder and rob.
Honestly kind of humbling when you think about it.

>>24788172
this is just the reverend insanity fag. don't be so obvious

>>24788175
>Mislabeled and fails to refute point.
The west loses yet again.

>>24788122
wrong cover

>>24788205
>refute point.
your "point" is "i like this". you can't refute an opinion dumbshit

>>24788172
I'm reading sss-class suicide hunter and gongja is a huge moralfag albeit
trying to make the world a better place and get good endings for all the bit characters and even enemies is like the central focus of the story since his actual cheat skills are so op it's not really in question that he could somehow win in the end. there's a lot of focus on contrasting him with his asshole predecessor the Flame Emperor who he stole the time regression power from and basically replaced

>>24788214
I accept your opinion

>>24788175
Reverend Insanity is good though, I don't get why more authors don't try and copy/emulate it, instead they pick the lowest common denominator as a basis of their work.

>>24788485
I didn't like it.

>>24788485
It's very easy to tell why you wouldn't want to emulate RI by simply looking at its fanbase

>>24788526
Don't you people want a paying audience? I think emulating one of the most popular (if not the most popular) web novel out there will attract paying customers. Don't forget that it had a published in China before the ban.

>>24788526
can't think of anything worse than having people who liked your work

>>24788535
*publisher

>>24788535
Do most of it's readers know english?

>>24788485
>I don't get why more authors don't try and copy/emulate it
Its too edgy. Seems obvious.

>>24788553
There is a huge demand for such work in the West. The West is currently drowning in traditionally published liberal lit and the shitty smut/litrpg in web novel scene. A serious dark novel with villain mc is desperately needed.

>>24788574
Tons of those , wtf are you talking about?

>guy sends me pm saying they'd like to transate my work into Japanese and market it in Japan
>ask work samples and say I don't approve machine translations
>no response
I don't get it, why even bother asking for permission? If you ran somebody's work through grok or whatever, and posted it on some nignog site, the odds of the original author ever knowing about it are close to zero. Even if they did find out, what can you realistically do? Not like those other text rip or audiobook sites care either. It's fighting windmills.

>>24788485
Saw this book being shilled constantly.
Read the first three chapters.
Character A says one word.
1000 words of internal monologue.
Character B says one word.
500 words of internal monologue from B’s perspective.
Then 500 more words of A’s inner monologue.
No wonder it has 2000+ chapters.

>>24788609
>read the first three chapters

>>24788615
>it gets good after 1800 chapters bro

>>24788620
It gets good at chapter 1, however do read at least a dozen chapters before forming an opinion.

>>24788631
It's complete shit from line one

>>24788485
> I don't get why more authors don't try and copy/emulate it
I know why, it's not very good. If you're an edgy 13yr old teen you probably its the best thing ever but all it does is cut & paste every trope out there and makes them as generic as possible.

>>24788696
It one of the most popular webnovels out there, even years after it stopped being updated it's still in top 3 list of most read novels on many sites.
I see people here constantly bitching about how to attract more readers, monetise their work etc but they all ignore the obvious dark story with villain protag genre that is clearly very popular with webnovel readers.

>>24788732
Again , tons of those in RR

>>24788636
>>24788696
seething contrarian

>>24788750
There is not a single novel similar to Reverend Insanity on RR.

>>24788779
You might want to ask yourself why that is.

Who's the Mishima Yomu of the western webnovel scene

>>24788223
Gongja and Undertaker (infinite regressor) are both massive moralfags but they are both some of my most favourite webnovel mc

>>24788787
I just can't think of a reason, I mean RI is massively popular, there is a demand for such work yet nobody is writing anything like it. All we get is litrpg and harem garbage. Could it be that gooners are only capable of writing slop and nothing else?

>>24788732
If it's such a surefire recipe for success, why don't YOU write an imitation for RR?

>>24788825
I can't write.

>>24788485
>>24788535
Because it sucks?

>>24788830
It's insanely popular.

>>24788822
>>24788833
Popular? The only place I'm ever seen it mentioned is here.

>>24788835
I have seen it mentioned on RR forums.

>>24788908
You must be one of the three people that read them.

the fuck is archetype

>>24789001
google mofo

>>24788175
I had been wondering what happened to him, only to lurk here for a few weeks and notice he only moved over here to keep his spam up. Thanks for containing him in all his faggotry.
xoxo
-/sffg/

>>24789104
>/sffg/ tourist
here's a little something to help you feel more at home (see pic related)

>>24788609
>Character A says one word.
>1000 words of internal monologue.
kino.

>>24789117
>tourist
RInewfag, you're posting the same image I post when niggers bring up Rothfuss. I've been on /lit/ since before you discovered 4chan and I ridicule your entire being. Given the opportunity, I would happily watch both you and Bakkerfag's physical shells burn.

are there any wns (outside of chinese) where a character or the MC kills another character for being black, white, indian or gay?

Hey Kinoman. You're the only author here that I found on MoonQuillNovels. (This is Tina-anon, hello) I had a *huge* catclog of my work there. Just clicked for my author's dashboard, and... bad link. What happened? Did all my books and accounts get nuked cause the site went down? What's going on. They suck for monetization but it was a great way to drop links to my catalog and chapters. Tell me what you know, kino-anon. (or anyone else that knows)

>>24789313
Well at least you're not the reviewfag.

>>24789377
No, that's the guy who made the spreadsheet in the OP and was posting all the other stats.

>>24789401
No, I mean the /sffg/ reviewfag with his shitty reviews and his goodreads shilling (I think he used be a tripfag as well if I remember correctly)

>>24789377
>>24789441
Are you the nigger who posts the "your reviews are shit! f-f-f-fuck off!" buzzphrase, usually within minutes, whenever Yev talks about a book he read? You are an obnoxious nigger who would be pleasantly added to the pyre upon which RIfag and Bakkerfag fuel.
>ummmm I said FUCK OFF
lol

>>24789441
Yes, I know. They're the same person.
Source: Myself
For you:
>>24789445

>>24789441
>UGH I THINK HE USED TO BE A TRIPFAG
>IT'S ALL HIS OWN SHITTY REVIEWS UGGGGGH
You are coming up on 3 years, on a cursory search, of pulling this anti-intellectual "you can only discuss megapopular bestselling books on MY literature board".
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/21198257#p21199621
Don't forget to put a slug through your brain, nigger.

>>24789334
Yeap, tine.
Moonquill is dead

>novelpia (one of the biggest WN platform in Korea) gave verbal confirmation that they will soon allow western writer to post on their site
will this start a trend of western writers with more eastern preferences, like lolis, no used goods etc? i just want ONE webnovel publisher for us westoids without the royal road crowd.

>>24789487
>>24789334
The site works fine. Don't be so excited about a site not working for a few minutes.

>>24789493
FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' and SSS-Class Suicide Hunter collaboration soon!!!

Moonquill is for those who couldn't get signed by Aethon.

>>24789512
Kino-man here. Fuck that site!!!
I sent them my manuscript, and they didn't even bother to reply to me.

>>24789512
aethon signs anyone

>>24789510
SSS class suicide hunter author is with another Korean publisher (kakao).

Post winnies ur currently reading right now. for me i'm reading pic related (A Medieval Knight in a Martial Arts Novel). this review from NU sums up the premise pretty well

>The central thesis of this work is 'The Murim in Wuxia is bad at war'.
>The Murim characters have fighting skills, but they have little experience with mass combat. The story points out that a self defense weapon like the sword, and no one favors powerful battlefield weapons like the polearm because no one goes to full on battlefields. Their concerns are an elite assassin strike team rather than entire squadrons of enemies.
>The Murim are set up as civilians and smaller local powers living in a long period of relative peace. They do not use practical battlefield equipment techniques because it would draw suspicion from the imperial government. They focus more on nurturing a few high level talents rather than mass producing 'good enough' talents for large scale confrontations.
>The West is set as a contrast- it is a meat grinder locked into a forever war that has little room for the flourish or the exponential growth of a single individual seen in most Wuxia.

>>24789001
superhero wn written by anon

>>24789537
Time to decolonize Korea.

>>24789565
>*>The West is set as a contrast- it is a meat grinder locked into a forever war that has little room for the flourish or the exponential growth of a single individual seen in most Wuxia. but in exchange they put emphasis battle tactics, grand strategy, logistics etc etc

>>24789520
>Kino-man here. Fuck that site!!!
>I sent them my manuscript, and they didn't even bother to reply to me.
same here. but it was a *great*place for me to park my novels, develop covers, etc. RR doesn't allow "erotica" although it seems to be loosely defined. My one novel on RR, started out around ranking 90,000+. I remember being funny relating it was up to 70 or 60k in rank. I just checked, I'm below 40,000. I wouldn't call it a slow-burn path to success, but its something.
PS - moonquill and moonquillnovels are like two diff sites. the MQnovels (where I was) is where they (in an email) sent me to post my stuff with the WNs. Which is how you fine folks (and crabs, lol) came to be burdened by tina-anon. I guess I'll start transferring stuff to RR one at a time between projects and watch them all drown ina sea of isekai and harem and everything else. Such is life. RR seems to be the only game in town where you have a *chane* at real success getting started. By that I mean the little bit of monetization possible there. 200 a week would allow me to write full time. Tina-anon is a poorfag and while not ashamed if it, I aint proud of it either. Does lower the bar where what normal writers would laugh t would be a boon to me. I still enjoy writing though. I'm getting somewhere slowly. I'm finding my "tense" people complained about as I write first draft now. "Oh. past tense only. He DID something, he's not DOING it. I think individual chapters stand out and I like reading them myself now. My best trad novel though is an international financial conspiracy (comes after th events in Merry' Present) and my crystal ball says that might be a no no on RR.

>>24789448
>your reviews are shit! f-f-f-fuck off!
No, not me.

>>24789461
Not me.

>>24789450
Why are you here? Go back to /sffg/ and stay there.

>>24787524
I checked and it looks like they posted they were working on dumpstat with a few hours of you making that post. I wonder if that's a coincidence or not

>>24789594
>.
I was talking about Aether Tina...

After beating Ex33 by abusing the hell out of the 1HP build, I think it’d be pretty cool if there were a novel about an MC who grows stronger the more damage he takes. So he starts the fight by purposefully getting the shit kicked out of him, then just as he’s half-dead, he pulls out a bullshit move that wipes the floor in one clean swipe.
It could even be a misunderstanding comedy where other people see him as some selfless hero who draws enemy attacks to let others escape, when in reality he’s just annoyed that the mob enemies are chipping away at his HP bar way too slowly.

>>24789648
The Tutorial is Too Hard does that I think

>>24789448
>Are you the nigger who posts the "your reviews are shit! f-f-f-fuck off!"
Who?

>>24789565
How does he make any use of that by himself though

>>24789738
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&search_text=%22your+reviews+are+shit+fuck+off%22&

>>24789639
>Posted regularly for 2 months, hit Rising Stars, and dropped. Author had a patreon and teased exclusive content on the patreon (the book was on the line of smut fantasy, and you can guess what kind of person the author is: you're correct). The announcement of hiatus was 16 days ago and there's no end in sight. Everyone who supported this story just got baited and betrayed, in my opinion, ESPECIALLY the people who supported on patreon.
>This could easily have been solved by having an outline, having an ending in mind, and having a solid backlog. Now that the story is off RS and unlikely to grow, or even recover to how it was before hiatus? Odds of the story continuing or concluding are basically zero. I cannot trust this author ever again.
There's no way this is just a coincidence

>>24789769
What the fuck? What a schizo.

>>24789565
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128319/labours-of-zucchini-litrpg-sci-fi
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117090/the-knight-the-dragon-and-the-necromancer-daert
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42876/how-the-stars-turned-red-slow-sci-fi-space-opera
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/59168/the-undercurrent-saga-hard-sci-fi-space-epic-5
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22868/after-moses

Physical books haven't started on Odyssy yet, been putting it off to focus on slop.

>>24789786
A shame /lit/ is infested with newfags like you and the "reviews are shit" ritualposter.

>>24789773
doesn't he browse here? I swear he posted it before.

>>24789846
Do you even read?

>>24789888
Post your yearly read LMAO

>>24789881
no that was me, I posted it as a joke because people had been talking about it. I haven't even read it.

>>24789895
And your point is?

>>24789895
dogshit webnovel

>>24789902
Just this week I read Thomas the Obscure and Book of Monelle

>>24789565
i was reading glass cannon but it is gone. wanger down.

>>24789913
I tried not to but I like it so far.

>>24789648
happens in pic related as well, i posted about it before ITT (it's not that good)

>>24789642
my bad, kino-anon.

>>24789958
I see nothing except standard cultivator sect nonsense.

>>24789520
You should just focus on RR

>>24789895
>reading on a fucking telephone
sigh. what has the world come to.
>"But seeing as they were the academy guards, your student did not kill them immediately. I merely cut off one of his arms, and the leg of the other person."
kinoooo

>>24789966
You are kino, Tina.
Never stop writing!!!

>>24789977
>>reading on a fucking telephone
>sigh. what has the world come to.
It's a webnovel. Am I supposed to print a physical copy?

>>24790000
If Fang Yuang was a girl would the elder still touch her abdomen to see inside her holes?

>>24790011
That would be inappropriate.

>>24790000
>When compared to Fang Yuan's advancement to the middle stage, the two guards' lives no longer mattered.
This is where RI loses me as do many other "immature" novels. The authors (and readers) don't seem to understand that all of these things will still be used to judge someone. Even if you don't care about the lives of the guards you'll know what the person is like and will judge them for it.

Look at the current streamer drama. Very few people actually give a shit about Hasan's dog, but people still judge him for treating his dog like shit.

RI seems to suffer from this problem a lot. These kinds of things work in isolation, but he ends up doing so much fucked up stuff that eventually it should catch up to him and start preceding him.

>>24790000
you don't read at your pc?.... do people not read at their PCs?

>>24790107
I remember when some anons were coping that actually being horrific doesn't catch up to you and fuck you.

>>24790123
EReader

>>24790107
>>24790125
still seething? lol

>>24790107
To be fair that is a common trope in those stories. Cultivators with power can do whatever they want and no one cares. It's almost expected of them.

>>24790107
somehow didn't happen with slaves back in the day

>>24790163
>read chinese wns where they explore the ramifications of high ranking cultivators acting like shit
>social stratification fossilizes, lower ranking cultivators/mortals are harvested as blood food, /pol/x/ level elite stuff going on, etc.
>MC immediately mentions growing up under the Red Flag and engages/starts a communist revolution
every time

>>24790107
>grrr stop owning slaves you evil bastard or we will judge you for it!
>and thousands of years later when you're an american soldier you might get shot for it!
you're so right sis, being mean never works

>>24790107
>This is where RI loses me as do many other "immature" novels. The authors (and readers) don't seem to understand that all of these things will still be used to judge someone. Even if you don't care about the lives of the guards you'll know what the person is like and will judge them for
You are judging this as you would judge a modern fictional book, written by a modern author, for modern audiences. That's why it loses you.

>>24790221
>laughed silently
what

What are the tiers of followers.

>>24788606
If someone's considering this and wants a translation check post it here. I know moonrunes, I'm sure other anons do too.
Besides which the publishing industry is extremely niche and tight-knit. They're not going to publish some rando westerner's licensed mtl translation of a webnovel. More likely it was going to be thrown up on narou.

>>24790281
Do Japanese even read literature (let alone webnovels) ?

Some of these premises are truly total dogshit. But I respect them, because they're out there writing, unlike me.

>>24789773
Too bad sylviana wasn't a day faster with that because I'm still lost as a reader. I'm not going to put up with the book being posted and reworked in spurts depending on the author's mood, especially when that mood is this volatile.

It is a crazy coincidence though. I checked as I was writing my post about hiatuses.

>>24790305
Authors self destructing is a tale as old as time.

>>24790123
why the fuck would you read on a pc?

>>24790397
Counterpoint: Why not?

I dropped Reverend Insanity after the MC killed the tribe girl that had a crush on him. The story is good, but I just felt kind of burnt out by the MCs increasingly predictable actions and thoughtless behaviour, and I'm not saying this in a moralfag "nooo you can't kill le hecking innocent!" sort of way, but in the "oh yeah that's going to bite him in the ass" sort. For all the talk I've heard about the MC being calculating and pragmatic, he is annoyingly impulsive and self-serving.
I'll probably come back to it later once the burnout wears off. Overall, its good but not as good as some make it out to be.

>>24790424
Don't bother. It doesn't get any better and will never be finished.

>isekai
>femc
>cool setting
>genderbent
fuck off

>>24790107
>Even if you don't care about the lives of the guards you'll know what the person is like and will judge them for it.
not in china. i mean fantasy china

>>24790397
big screen = more better.
that's where I read all my webslop before I had an e reader

>>24790434
sounds great. please tell me it includes fetish slop.

>>24790424
omg you are SEETHING and no combination of words you type will convince me otherwise ROFL

>>24790296
>Some of these premises are truly total dogshit. But I respect them, because they're out there writing, unlike me.
join my club. I feel like I'm the last motherfucker out there who wants to write REAL FUCKING BOOKS. as in like books used to be before bullshit took over. I'm old enough I remember.

>>24790460
times have changed unc

>>24790424
He did have a valid reason to kill her, also let's remember that girl from Shang city, she had a crush on him, and he did not kill her, he even helped her get established in the city. Just saying, Fang Yuan may be overly cautious but he doesn't just kill for no reason at all.

>>24790445
fuck if I know dude I didn't read past the second paragraph
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/126611/they-call-me-princess-cayce-isekai-becoming-a

>Dungeon Crawler Carl book 8 is officially going to be titled A Parade of Horribles: Dungeon Crawler Carl Book 8.
thoughts and opinions?
my own: parade of horribles sounds unevocative and presents no imagination or context for me to go off ot

>>24789493
Fucking finally. I gel a lot more with SK style webnovels, reading and writing. Keep us updated.

>>24790168
>>24790199
>>24790206
Because slavery wasn't seen as evil. But you can feel free to point me to historical societies that didn't consider murder evil.

You're the one going "well, if one thing we consider bad today is okay, then everything is!"

>>24790575
>Because slavery wasn't seen as evil
neither is the murder of non-cultivating subhumans seen as evil in this setting

how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>24790575
>But you can feel free to point me to historical societies that didn't consider murder evil.
murder is by definition "unjustified killing" but there were plenty of historical societies that had kinds of killing they didn't consider evil. whether it was stoning your daughter to death for being a slut or sacrificing human hearts to the god of rain at the top of a ziggurat there was a lot of killing that would be considered murder in currentyear

>>24789334
Your account got nuked because I reported you
>T. Hateranon

>>24789334
Your account got nuked because it wasn't rad enough
>T. Skateranon

Why did the author of Zombie Knight Saga stop posting on Royal Road?
It used to pretty popular there and is one of the highest quality webnovels i've ever read.

>>24789648
>starts the fight by purposefully getting the shit kicked out of him, then just as he’s half-dead, he pulls out a bullshit move that wipes the floor in one clean swipe.
Isn't that the gimmick of the manlet MC of the seven deadly sins?

>>24790661
>4 years ago
did a cursory google search and he does it on his blog

>>24788097 (OP)
>Archetype
What chapter does the mc get his powers?
It say slowburn...

>>24790661
He got burned out by the RR format of 2k+ word chapters and switched to 500~ word daily releases on his blog

>>24790424
it's the edgy's animetard's book, don't even bother arguing or defending yourself, they'll just say you're a hater regardless.

>>24790677
most believable samefagging ever lmao

just stick to chanting "muh prose" like a magic spell /wg/tard

>>24790681
He's been spamming about RI for over 6 years.

Any "good" academy stories where the MC has a tsundere rival with twintails.

>>24790586
>how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
Happy. I didn't have breakfast this morning and I was happy.
>>24790608
Every society has killings they didn't consider evil, but the one we're talking about clearly does as it's brought up.
>>24790686
I should stop responding to them then.

>>24790834
>>how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>I didn't have breakfast this morning
kek works every time

you're retarded

>But you can feel free to point me to historical societies that didn't consider murder evil.
>NOOOO THOSE DON'T COUNT
Funny how the only RI detractor is a drooling imbecile.

>>24790460
I'm also writing standard (I guess its a way to put it) fantasy instead of vidya inspired or anime/xianxia slop

>>24788097 (OP)
OP picture
>Those reviews
Big oof

>already 100+ posts in one day due to RI autism
my favorite part of RI was the ecosystem management for Gu Immortals

now that that’s done, why do i only see /pol/schizokino in korean WNs? i remember reading one where the MC ended up fighting the WEF which had teamed up with the fantasy realm so that they could take advantage of the incoming threat of the Demon King to enact a global “great reset”, among other things.

why don’t we see this in chink, jap, nor western wns?

>>24790854
All societies consider murder evil. It's that almost all societies also have an acceptable form of killing.

Like... if you could just kill or rape whoever you would not have a functional society. I don't even know why this is an argument.

>>24790912
>plugs his ears and starts repeating himself
lmao

>>24790922
I'm not even the same guy, lol. This conversation is just insanely autistic, you just can't use any society as an example of "you can kill and rape whoever you want and get anywhere."

Real life does not work this way.

>>24790926
>I'm not even the same guy
nobody believes you

>>24790928
>nobody believes you
Are you retarded?

reverend insanity is the solo levelling of chinese slop
doesn't make much sense but it's got aura farming so mouthbreathers love it

>>24791075
speaking of which, one thing RI doesn’t have is an arc with such an absurd hatred of japan that it got the WN docked until he removed those chapters

>>24791075
This is objectively false. Solo levelling and RI have nothing in common.

>>24791095
RI did get banned for similar reasons (too openly shitting on the CCP, I mean like there are characters that are blatantly just named after real CCP officials Akumetsu-style)

>>24790497
Didnt Cormac McCarthy describe the charge of Indians in Blood Meridian as "a legion of horribles?"

>>24791299
He did and I'm sure it's use here is intentional.

>>24790879
Because South Korea is literally living that shit. Every South Korean president since the SIXTIES has ended up in Jail or dead and they've had multiple presidents who turned out to be members of literal cults.

>>24790879
Part of it is just because Koreans are tied to the modern Earth setting. There's a Chinese manhua named "Reborn as the Heavenly Martial Demon" that has global elites colluding with the monsters to destroy Earth for profit, though it's not as schizo as some Korean content. It randomly has one guy with omegaverse powers, if you consider that a type of schizo.

Is it good that I want to be a webnovelist who will write the 21st century Brothers Karamazov?

>>24791665
its like being one of those porn directors who try to make artsy porn scenes that nobody likes
wrong audience. Just makes you look retarded.

>>24791678
anon's point is that Brothers Karamazov was also serialized in its own time, that's why it's the way it is, why it's so long, paced how it is, etc

>>24791686
You are the one still missing the point. It isn't the serialization that's the issue, it's the target audience.

>>24791697
People who read religious dramas in the 19th century would be the same people who read progression fantasy in the 21st century. Technology, culture, social formations, and value systems, have all changed accordingly.

>>24791702
> the same people who read progression fantasy in the 21st century
zit-faced pubescent edgelords?

Archetype = 4chan
Worm = Reddit
Superpowereds = ?

>>24791800
le heckin Marvel of course!

>someone post that he like something
>3 people respond that it's shit
>every-time
I'm curious which book comes closest to having a positive consensus here?

>>24791952
/wg/tards aren't people

>>24791800
Superpowereds is wholesome found family bullshit, so I'm gonna say it's AO3core.

>>24791952
Reverend Insanity, it's the best novel out there. Everyone agrees.

>>24791952
I think there are enough people wanking super popular mainstream slop out there, you could go to some normalfag discord if you want to gush about worm and wandering inn and mother of learning and Arghmage and PGTE and ASFGSJFF and have others reflect your garbage taste, you don't have to do that here.

>>24792009
kill yourself

>>24792009
No I don't.

>>24792019
>ASFGSJFF
wtf is that?

>>24792051
I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters

>>24792058
sorry my cat stepped on my keyboard while I was making that post

>>24792058
All Shall Fear Gon Shen's Justice: Forbidden Fire

>>24792019
>you don't have to do that here.
different doesn't mean good. every single "i like this" post is met with whining and bitching about how actually it's awful. it's just obnoxious

>>24788097 (OP)
I have been stuck on this for 2 months.
Literally painted myself in the corner, and it bothers me.

Been thinking of trying out voice to text dictation and hoping I can squeeze words out a lot faster. Has anyone had experience writing their chaps with it?

>>24788535
Having paying readers... or having readers at all would be nice. But I rather have fun with what I'm writting.

>one of my most vocal patrons dropped his sub tier
>oh well at least he's enjoying the story still
>wake up today
>new patron signed up
>got a really nice comment on RR
Man it's crazy how strong the ego boost is. I love it.

>>24792173
I've thought about it a lot on long drives since I do a lot of daydreaming and thinking about stories while I'm stuck driving, but never got around to actually trying it. I type pretty fast though and I like being able to edit things on the spot. I have no idea how that would work for a dictation, except that voice to text programs have gotten really good so I could line edit after.

>>24792238
The bar is pretty low for webnovels. The main thing seems to be writing a lot and posting consistently. Beyond that is where skill and writing to market starts to impact things. There's 8 or 9 billion people in the world, no matter what you write it's almost guaranteed to be in at least a handful of peoples' strike zone.

>>24792286
I also shoot at my own foot by having the most unlikeable main character I could pick

>>24791952
you may have heard of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'

>>24792408
he said positive, not negative

Can you do patreons for fanfiction on RR?

>>24792518
they remove the donation button but you can still get away with it

What you do is you link to your other stuff like Twitter, Discord etc and then on those you link the Patreon.

>>24792173
I've tried it, but turns out I can't speak any faster than I type, so that the software could keep up too, and get tired even faster than typing by hand, so it's +-0

I'm on chapter 1133 of RI, where he just ransacked the Hei Fan grotto heaven). So far, overall it's a pretty decent read. The peaks hit like lightning, but some of the "downtime" arcs are kind of a slog. They might just not be for me though, I'm not really interested in kingdom building or reading about how he carefully gathered resources and farmed Gu for 100 chapters. I'm waiting for him to get back to scheming and dicking people over. The story made a big deal of him getting the immortal sovereign body, but he still feels powerless and weak and the underdog.

Was making such good progress now I'm totally stalling. It's over. I'll never reach 80,000 words.

>>24792605
One day at a time man. You don't write 80k words in a day or even a week. Write it in three months, about 1000 words a day.
Just take an hour and write 1000 bad words, fix them tomorrow. Trust me, you'll feel so much better once you've hit your daily goal. Serotonin over dopamine.

The new chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out!!!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2669412/sinful-blade-part-five

This chapter: ELF-GF IS BACK IN ACTION!

Can my story be "progression" if the character gets stronger and acquires items without there being literal stat updoots and system screens.

>>24792814
As a tag, I would say that Progression refers to a theme of progression (ie, improvement) across the story. Even if you don't have hard numbers on things, if you character is improving _significantly_ throughout the story, I would say that's progression.
This could even be for a story without any fighting, for example, a kid who wants to be a world class musician, starts at doesn't even know how to hold a violin, and then progresses to the point of competing in an audition for world's best violinist or whatever.

By significantly, I would say that the character doing the progressing should at least double in whatever aspect is progressing, even if you don't have raw numbers attached.

>>24792873
So a slow/incremental advancement is not progression?

>>24792910
I would say it is, as long as from start to finish the MC "progresses" to a level at least twice as "much" as they started. And if you can identify it as a theme of the work in total, then yeah it's progression.
If in doubt, tag it as such and wait for people to complain before removing it if they make good arguments to do so.

>>24792173
The way you speak and the way you write are completely different. It could be nice if you tend to write a lot of purple, clunky, stilted prose, because it will make your writing more like an actual human telling a story. But for me, personally, dictation puts down the first thoughts from your head, and I find it's the second or third thought that's less cliche, more interesting, and more beautiful.

i read magical girl of despair
it is ok

>>24792814
ostensibly that's supposed to be the whole difference between "normal" progression fantasy vs litrpg. but RR is 90% litrpg now to the point where some baby sloppers like yourself don't even realize you can write a story without it

>>24792814
Xianxia without cheat system slop is progression fantasy, too. Something like The Hedge Wizard is progression fantasy with a sort of rpg-inspired progression system but without stats. D&D novels sometimes feel like progression fantasy where the characters slowly become more capable and you can tell because they defeat higher CR enemies in later adventures. So yes.

>>24793020
It's the male fantasy fad of our time (the female fantasy fad is romantasy).
Scifi I don't even know what's going on. I know the awards orgs got hijacked by ideologues but it's not like there's any independently published scifi that really captures my attention either (Peter F Hamilton started a YA series when the Salvation Series wasn't picked up for a fourth book; Pierce Brown's Red Rising series is wearing out its welcome and the ending will come as a relief).

RR's market seems to be a reflection of pop culture more than anything: literary versions of RPG video games, anime, superhero comics and movies, tv shows, fan fiction, and so on. And as a whole it's still better than what tradpub is shitting out.

>>24793020
>baby sloppers like yourself don't even realize you can write a story without it
I know I can write a story without litrpg. That's why I asked about whether my story (which is obviously not litrpg) should have the progression tag.
Nice reading comp though, truly an exemplar of /lit/

>>24792814
>>24793051
For progression there has to be clear definition of levels and the easiest way to achieve that is by using numbers (like litrpg stats) , but levels or stages or something like that is also usable (like in traditional xianxia). Obviously there needs to be an actual character advancement and increase of in those statz through out the story.

>>24793115
I'm fine with ranks, titles, masteries or whatever but I can't bring myself to write those stupid stat sheets

>>24793106
>Nice reading comp though
You missed the implied "can write a story without it (in the progression fantasy / webslop genre)", comprehenderbro. Obviously everyone literate knows books without vidjagaems exist. Even the functionally illitrate probably bullshitted through some book reports on them in school.

>>24793141
>but I can't bring myself to write those stupid stat sheets
So don't. But I put one in my story and man did readers latch onto it like a man dying of thirst clinging to a water fountain. It was the most and the most intense feedback I had received thus far.
Readers fucking love stat sheets.

>>24793156
>Readers fucking love stat sheets.
What caused this shit though? My eyes glaze over looking at them and I even played a lot of old school rpgs back in the day.

>>24793175
I think it's actually the rise in autism, and more and more people being "on the spectrum." They want to see the totality of a character, quantized. I was apparently edging them by showing a character leveling up or improving a skill from time to time, but damn what they really wanted was a stat sheet at the end of every chapter to analyze.

I find them kind of annoying to write and track so I don't think I'll write explicit litrpg for my next stories, even if I keep other tropes (general classes, dungeons, etc).

>>24793175
Understand that all story constructs are a form of language, and these people have grown up learning to engage with fiction through the language of video games.

There's a story in rising stars right now where the MC starts as a self-aware baby. Stories on RR can be absolute dreck that makes One Piece look like classical literature but they'll be popular if they have a good litRPG component.

>>24793241
yes, and?

>>24793241
One Piece pre-timeskip would have been a nice story in prose.

>>24793241
i read a japanese wn years ago where the mc was a self aware baby for the entire story

How are Moonquill as a publisher?

>>24793431
self publish.
if you insist on shooting yourself in the foot, moonquill isn't predatory or anything but they arent a premier publisher either. many better ones out there

>>24793431
Small enough to not provide many services as more established publishers, big enough to be picky and take a chunk of your revenue.

>>24793431
Don't bother, just focus on RR first. You should be big before even considering deals

>>24793732
Wait so you mean I should stop emailing my manuscript to every publisher I can find online?

>>24793431
That really depends if you can force youreslf, not organically, to write a trilogy. I'm content with writing a one and done book that completely tells a whole story and leaves the reader with a thought-provoking ending for the ages.

>>24793733
Yeah? Like traditional publishing is a dead end now. I don't know why some people continue to push it, because that route closed off like over ten years ago

>>24793747
Doesn't seem worth responding to. The guy is counting his chickens not even before they hatch, but before he even built a chicken coop or isekai summoned himself some chickens.

>>24793431
Absolute meme that does nothing except take a chunk of your revenue

>>24793747
>How do I make money
You've come to the right place. We know all about that here at the millionaire club

>>24793892
I'll be fair. Most of /wng/ has just started out writing web novels.

how often you have to update one of these

>>24793933
you need to be updating your fic at least 3x a week

>>24793946
Trvthnvke or Falsenvke

>>24793954
At least. Its meta to upload a chapter once a day, but you need to be committed.

>>24793956
If thats true theres no way these things are that good

>>24793954
Anon's average schedule of once every two months doesn't seem to work out, at least

>>24793970
I feel like once a week is the max you can expect for installments to possibly be of any quality

>>24793981
only if the author is a retard who couldn't think of prewriting

>>24793987
>Prewriting
Like outlining?

rate this gimmick
>The chapter titles of a volume or book make up a complete poem summarizing the aesthetic mood or ‘point’ of said volume, and the titles relate to the contents of their respective chapter
if the chinese serial writers like Jin Yong could do it, how come it isn’t so common in the west?

>>24793959
Typically the strategy is to write about 20 chapters prior, as a "backlog." And then just... never stop writing.

There's a reason why these fics are mostly just one POV narratives with simple plots.

i will never be a successful wn writer because I am mentally unstable and don't want to write short chapters and can't have a huge backlog because being able to upload and know people are reading what I write is what motivates me to keep going

>>24793993
no

>>24794024
average /wg/ author

>>24793959
Koreans and Chinese actually do this because being WN writers is a legit job with insane competition over there. japs are more laid back because they have the the WN->LN->Manga->Anime adaptation pipeline so they dont write as often

>>24793175
>>24793212
Video games. People like stat progression in rpg games, those stat progressions (numbers) naturally carried over to literature.
It's a trend, a popular thing will eventually carry over to another media. I wonder what we will see in literature in 5-10 years? Maybe novels about doom scrolling on tiktok

>>24792625
Aight K-Man I'm done putting it off im reading your stuff again...

Is memories of the fall decent? I just caught up with sky pride and I'm bored again.

>>24794089
>laid back
You mean jap authors are too busy playing Idolmaster and Umamusume. Miura never finished Berzerk because of Idolmaster.

>>24794211
Chad.
But why did you stop in the first place?

>>24794354
I fell into a bit of a xianxia shaped rabbit hole, I also was a bit frustrated with the upload schedule, wanted to let you upload q few chapters. Ended up being 2 volumes

>>24794397
Yeah, I kinda messed it up.
I’ve been too busy with changes at work, and when you end up falling on the public train from exhaustion, you really start to reconsider your priorities.

Anyway, two months at worst, and the book will be done.

>>24793959
Ideally you write the entire backlog(or a huge chunk of it) before uploading.

>>24793485
but not big enough to have a functioning website

>>24793431
They permanently take every right you have to everything except to the original work itself. It's only a step away from work-for-hire.

>>24794661
Their distribution and adaptation clauses are so boilerplate stock default they may as well be drafted from template, what are you smoking?

>>24794661
>>24794818
Both of these can be true.

Does "pagans good" end up being similar to "church bad"?

>>24794051
No I have actually written and published a lot despite this

>>24794024
there are many examples of authors who break all the "rules"
you just have to be an actually good writer in that case. the "rules" make it easier for you, allow for mediocre authors to find success, but are not remotely necessary in any strict sense

>>24794837
In fantasy settings the pagans are the church no? Unless you make very specific allusions to desert prophets.

>>24794837
In FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' the pagan gods are objectively evil, and they really enjoy being evil.

The Church Gods range from Chaotic Good to Lawful Evil. Sure, they’re going to do some wild shits, but their actions are always justified by motives that are difficult to logically refute.

>>24795023
By the definition of Paganism your chuch gods are also Pagan

>>24795007
Fantasy churches being references to desert people religions is more about how they are structured rather than actual beliefs.

>>24795032
Holy Trinity hacks it.

>>24795036
They are structured like wesetern irl churches which are based on the Roman priesthood.
I feel for something to not be pagan in a fantasy setting they must meet the threshold of - a) there's only one god (not the same as they only worship one god) b)have a prohpet that delivers gods word

>>24788097 (OP)
Has anyone read "Trapped In My Own Shitty Light Novel After Killing Myself, So I Might As Well Court the Hot Ass Goddess Who Summoned Me!"?

>>24795186
>Least obvious self shill

>>24795386
lookup the author. I'm not them

>"Pinnacle of swordsmanship"
>It's spamming laser beams

>>24795484
just like in zelda

>>24795043
>structured like western irl churches which are based on the Roman priesthood.
No? Western irl churches originate from ancient synagogue practices.

>>24795534
Catholic church is a revamp of the Roman institution.
There is a reason their leader is called Pontifex Maximus.

>>24795540
>Catholic church is a revamp of the Roman institution.
No? You do know that for 300 years the Catholic Church was not apart of any Roman institution, right? The actual church structure developed long before integration.
>Pontifex Maximus
Because this is when after 300 years the Catholic Church was integrated into the state.

>>24795555
>The actual church
Bro, the Pope couldn't appoint Bishop until 1300.

The idea of Catholic Church as a centralize and unifed force under a absolute monarch is something that required hundrerds of war and a thousand years.

>>24795569
>The idea of Catholic Church as a centralize and unifed force under a absolute monarch is something that required hundrerds of war and a thousand years.
Which happened AFTER Rome long fell and was a completely separate phenomena.

Um

Why do so many (fantasy) authors add these weird and stupid details into their story?

I started reading Water Magician. MC gets reincarnated into a new world in an isolated forest. He learns how to use his water magic and explores around the area. Suddenly we get a 1 year timeskip. Nothing has really changed, but 1 year has supposedly passed. A few small events happen and we suddenly get a 20 year timeskip... and nothing really changed again. He's still living in that isolated forest and hasn't explored far.

Do these authors never stop to think about what this implies? As unrealistic as such a character is, it implies that the character is perfectly happy with staying isolated forever. There's no story in this story. Why would I continue reading?

I guess I did it to myself though. Japanese stories always have these ultra passive (and probably beta) protagonists.

>>24795580
its just to justify them growing to a new baseline of strength before exploring the world.

>>24795572
Was the logical outcome of the last Roman Institution.

The Roman Empire never truly fell after the last emperor was deposed.The system created by Diocletian and perfected by Constantine somehow remained intact. Each province had still its rex, just a barbarian one, alongside the administrative apparatus. But since the barbarians couldn’t write or read, that role was taken over by the Church.
Until the Reformation, Europe remained a Latin entity, united by a bureaucratic system that kept it culturally and economically cohesive, the fleshless skeleton of the Roman Empire: the Catholic Church.

>>24795589
>Was the logical outcome of the last Roman Institution.
No it wasn't, considering Rome was the only patriarch to actually do it. If anything, it only happened because the Byzantine empire (which is literally just one half of Rome) got fucked by Islam and couldn't project any power over the bishop of Rome.

It very much happened because the Bishop of Rome was guaranteed by the Franks, who were just not Roman.

>>24795580
For me, time jumps are essential to a story of the "progression" genre (having a character go from total loser to god-slayer in six months completely takes me out of the story).
But indeed, massive time jumps should be used as a major event marking a significant change in the main character or the world

>>24795599
Being the despot of the Greeks doesn’t make you the Roman Empire.
It was the bureaucratic system that held it together and made it work.
The Byzantines, the Lombards, the Franks. The figurehead changed, but not the system that sustained their rule.

They were all slaves to their medium.

>>24795616
>Being the despot of the Greeks doesn’t make you the Roman Empire.
It was literally one half of Rome. An actual Roman institution that survived, not some make believe magic that held Europe in check.
>It was the bureaucratic system that held it together and made it work.
Yes. Because its the Roman empire.

>>24795620
The dudes who wrote every document for the European monarchs and heard their greatest secrets in the confessional, just used magic to slowly take over all the seats of power. And when the big boss of these magicians said a word, kings and princes left their riches behind to die in a Middle Eastern desert.

>>24795629
>just used magic to slowly take over all the seats of power.
No they didn't. I'm going to tell you a secret, which was true of even Pagan nations. The priestly caste was always the most well educated strata of society. Which you would know if you did even the most basic of fucking research.

Still even your average western aristocrat around this era was still enormously educated. The idea that everyone were drooling retards except for the catholic church is itself a fantasy. Next you're going to tell me there's a dark ages.

>>24795602
I agree with you, but I'm on chapter 6 of the story. The MC has already lived in the other world for more time than Earth. It invalidates the entire beginning of the story.
>>24795584
MC is being moved to another world by godly power and given magic. Just give him stronger magic to start with.
A 20 year time skip like this has profound implications on his character that I am certain this author will not account for at all.

I really don't understand how western web novels aren't more popular in Japan if the quality of their stories is this bad, specifically the beginning. If I had anything else to read right now or wouldn't end up too busy in just a few days I would drop this and never read it again.

>>24795484
>MC in chapter one: "Which end of the sword am I supposed to hold?"
>MC in chapter ten: "whoops, I just cut down five mountains with my aura"
every gook story

>>24795638
>The priestly caste was always the most educated stratum of society.
I'm going to tell you a secret, they were always the kings’ bitches, tools to be used.
The Catholic Church? This is what an emperor had to do to get his throne: like a beggar, he stayed under the snow for three days just to get an audience with the Pope.

>>24795659
>I'm going to tell you a secret, they were always the kings’ bitches, tools to be used.
And so was the catholic church. The pope has been kidnapped, assassinated and made the tool of foreign nations since the near beginning. This is not unique, do the most basic of research.
>This is what an emperor had to do to get his throne
The catholic church was made into a bitch by the franks, fucking lmao

>>24795580
I watched the anime and it was just as bad (and probably worse) as the novel. I really don't understand how they even get funding for such garbage.

>>24795639
That's very simple. The Japanese only like Japanese media. End of discussion.

Are Chinese MCs based because the authors are afraid their novel will be labelled as homosexual propaganda if the MC acts like a jap MC?

>>24788097 (OP)
What advice do you have for someone looking to write a story in an original superhero setting, be it for the writing, worldbuilding, or otherwise? And besides Worm and Ward, what are the best superhero web serials to look to for advice?

>>24795903
Don’t subvert. Superheroes might be evil, but they’re just a small minority protected and enabled by powerful people who want favors from them.

Superheroes
https://youtu.be/gsfCcw_uzzE

Is mystery as a genre a good ground for worldbuilding autism? It provides a lot of reason to go off on random setting details.

>>24795903
haven't read, but the big other superhero stories in the web fiction space are Super Powereds, Super Supportive, and The Perfect Run

advice: prioritize characters over setting and plot

>>24795903
Think of the powers you're giving your characters. The hardest thing for me when making a character in my setting, when they have superpowers, is coming up with a good one.
This happens to me because I first come up with the character and then give them a power, plus I'm not very creative when coming up with powers.
The best one I came up with is "a portal of about 20~ cm where you can send a single thing (something that has stuff inside it counts as a single object, so say a backpack with stuff in it counts as a single thing) 24 hours into the past/future to the user once a day to the location of the user at that time".
But most of the powers I come up with are "power makes the user stronger when protecting something", or "power gives the user voices on their head which act like an average twitch chat that they can moderate as if it were a chat", or "power gives the user the ability to fart out a cloud of invisible, odorless gas that they can control telekinetically".
simple stuff like that.

>>24795874
Japs are unhinged psychos who are trying to convince you they aren't so they don't get nuked again
Chinks are buck broken by the state and lash out in fiction to try and grab on to some semblance of control

I will be the one to save the Eldians

>>24796027
You don't have to be creative. Being creative may even be counterproductive. Look at the powers of all the most popular superheroes.

>>24796108
The people of Elden Ring thank you

>>24796149
It's not creativity that is the problem, it's "originality". Originality asks readers to put in more work to engage with the text, and it isn't guaranteed to pay off in return. All stories naturally take on some degree of originality if they're being written from a desire for artistic fulfillment, but the artist should use their skill to limit that originality as much as possible, because there's no reward for making something that's harder to read.

It's kind of shocking how horrifically Wildbow has fucked up being a forerunner of the web serial scene. Unironically, is he just retarded?

>>24796226
I simply think the stories he wants to write aren't the stories the fans of Worm want to read. If Worm is a battle shounen anime full of action, Ward and all his other books are more like Solaris.

>>24796250
But if he wants to write tradfic why isn't he leveraging his audience onto Amazon where trad readers are?
His patreon has no tiers and is still at $5k a month.
In fact, on investigating that bizarre setup, I've started assuming he's independently wealthy and just doesn't give a fuck, which is based.

But still, shouldn't a writer want his work sent out into the world? Amazon is where all the readers are. Royalroad is so niche it doesn't even have a wikipedia page. His writing isn't my favorite but it could still be attracting a huge audience
idk i think he's just retarded one way or another

>>24796257
>Royalroad is so niche it doesn't even have a wikipedia page
ignore my own personal retardation, i know wildbow doesn't use royalroad. the mental throughline there was 'web fiction is niche, why not go mainstream' and i equated royalroad to webfic, even though he's 100% on his own websites
i think he's just insanely based for some reason

>>24796257
I mean he has been saying he's going to publish Worm for at least a decade and that he had an editor working on it. Seems clear that project went nowhere. So yeah, he appears to not give a fuck and he's content with the ways things working are for him.

Senior brothers, what should I read next?

>>24796273
The Wandering Inn

>>24796261
Wildbow is popular enough to not need RR. He had success long before RR really existed.

>>24796276
>Wildbow is popular enough to not need RR. He had success long before RR really existed.
? i make it clear I know this just through what I posted
are you one of those 60 iq anons

>>24796280
You didn't make it clear. I took it to mean you were impressed he didn't also use RR (like he should).

>>24796291
i specifically said royalroad is niche as fuck and doesn't matter (the site doesn't even have a wikipedia page)
im asking why he hasn't monetized or moved to amazon in any way, which he would find massive success in considering his wild success even in the early web novel era and that he clearly writes tradfic these days, he could legit be a big specfic author by now. instead he's fumbled the bag so unbelievably hard that I can only assume he truly doesn't give a fuck

kinda sad i had to summarize for the sped kids in the back

>>24796027
NTA but your ideas for powers sound very gay and lame

Super power stories are boring.

>>24796376
All genres are boring tbdesu

>>24795911
>Superheroes might be evil,
Come again?

>>24796012
>Super Powereds, Super Supportive, and The Perfect Run
What are the key points of those? Also, why should I do that?

>>24796027
Okay, can I use some of these?

>>24796149
So I should just make transparent copies then?

>>24796176
How can you tell when you've hit the sweet spot?

>>24796591
>Also, why should I do that?
Because even in the most autistic genres, people still read to bond with or spectate characters they enjoy. All else is secondary.

>>24796591
I haven’t read Worm, but coming from a /co/ fag:
People love badasses with a heart of gold, who are somehow also the underdog.
It’s why Spider-man is the most popular hero out there, and why Batman was quickly overshadowed by Absolute Batman the second he popped on the scene.
So come up with a hero. Give him/her a tragic backstory and cool power set.
Then put them up against demonically evil villains, who also have tragic backstories of their own, and serve as dark reflections of the hero.

>>24796723
> People love badasses with a heart of gold
> I haven’t read Worm
We can tell.

any web novels where the femc is barefoot?

>>24796827
Can't you just imagine all of them are?

>>24796827
Second mc in The Wandering Inn

>>24796276
That's what people were saying for Erraticerrata and then he posted in RR and saw the pipeline at work.

>>24795484
>not choreographing squadrons of flying swords to do midair ballet routines which invokes a mystical aura of death

>>24795755
>The Japanese only like Japanese media
They will happily blow their paychecks on korean and chinese mobile games nowadays as long as they have anime artstyle and hire japanese voice actors.

>>24796273
Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation

>>24796273
Nightfall
Ze Tian Ji
Joy of Life

>playing Nine Sols
>second big boss I kill is a flying feathered bitch
>can only imagine how hard she would have been raped to death instead by Lord Fifth

>Arlene and Jeff
I was looking for some modern day harems to read and this one was something else. I guess I can add it to the short list of incredibly long smut Magnus opus that for some reason someone just kept writing despite the little recognition they got.
Although this one specifically was basically asking for its any potential reader to get filtered since it starts off with like 5 chapters of very heavy netorare, something that is apparently completely absent in the rest of the webnovel.
You really have to admire the persistence of the author of this and it's contemporaries like "six times a day" and "an ordinary teenage sex life" to keep writing the same smut serial for years and years.
I wouldn't recommend this one specifically to thought since even if you can get over the beyond cucked start, it really isn't that good compared to some others of its kind.

>>24797093
Heh , just started reading it. More Overlord vibes I would say. Good start but the story moves too slowly. I'll give it another week before dropping it.

>>24797093
>I have been summoned to this world as an unrivaled demi-god with world ending power
>Time to check my bank account
If I had a nickel, I would have two nickels

>>24797162
Back when I gave this a try I couldn't get through the cuckshit so no clue if this is even remotely interesting. Like, who even cares about having a harem including your daughter after she (and your wife too) was thoroughly fucked by some random guy.

Reading Japanese and Chinese web novels make me feel like I could write too. That my writing skills is sufficient to write stories like that. Then I read western web novel and become disillusioned. I'm never gonna be good enough to write.

>>24797323
but western web novels are way worse?

>chat with ai sex bots
>am a writer now
>jerked my cock raw
this shit is crazy robot gf when bros?

>>24797323
Then why not write in the Chinese or Japanese style? What’s stopping you?
Most Western web novels are anime and xianxia inspired anyway. So it’s not like you’d be breaking any new grounds here.

>>24797340
I swear, you people will goon to ANYTHING

>>24797410
This is the superior porn bro... I'd rather write some scenarios than watch someone else fucking like a cuckold

>>24796591
My whole point was that there isn't a "sweet spot". Have an objective with writing a story, then avoid originality as much as possible while aiming for that objective.

>>24797339
This is the kind of stuff I see in Japanese WNs >>24795580. This story was popular enough to be made into an anime.
The MC, so far, doesn't even have a real personality.
Then I read something like He Who Fights With Monsters and Jason definitely has a personality. He's cocky and obnoxious, but he actually wants things and does things.
>>24797395
I don't know how much western readers would read that. They are clearly picky on which anime and xianxia tropes they like and don't like.

>>24797537
Read more than one western wn and you'll realize all male MCs have the same personality and the issues are deep down no different from eastern stories, even if the English might be better.

>>24797537
snarky asshole with a secret heart of gold isn't a personality anon

I keep seeing discussion of "making it" and making money off of writing, but does any of you have a concrete goal in mind?
How much money would you want to be bringing in monthly just from Patreon to be okay with it?

>>24797675
I dream about making 3/4k a month and quitting my job to write full time but I don't think I ever would. It just seems too uncertain. If I was making fuckoff levels, like 10-40k as the super outlier authors do, I'd dedicate myself fully ofc.