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Anonymous No.24792165 >>24792202 >>24792222 >>24792226 >>24792229 >>24792273 >>24792302 >>24792308 >>24792511 >>24792532 >>24792603 >>24792614 >>24792620 >>24792628 >>24792750 >>24792803 >>24792892 >>24793102 >>24793199 >>24793245 >>24793290 >>24793412 >>24794145 >>24794168 >>24794172 >>24794185 >>24794228 >>24794233 >>24794278 >>24794300 >>24794306 >>24794554 >>24794890 >>24794893 >>24795150 >>24795354 >>24795502 >>24795898
leftism in the 60s seems like a whole another beast
im curious what changed?
Anonymous No.24792202 >>24792620 >>24793016
>>24792165 (OP)
Jews.
Anonymous No.24792222 >>24792228 >>24792236 >>24795838
>>24792165 (OP)

He wrote those things as a young 20 something man travelling across South America. He had since rescinded his ignorant statements
Anonymous No.24792226 >>24792315
>>24792165 (OP)
i dont get why we have to choose between donating all the gibs to solo poly LGBTQ BIPOC muslims, or donating all the gibs to child trafficking elites (israel also gets a cut with both options)
Anonymous No.24792228
>>24792222
After communist international briefed him
Anonymous No.24792229
>>24792165 (OP)
The same thing happened to pro-capitalist societies. The structural lack of transcendental values leaves fertile ground for any rot to sprout. Most of the "based" opinions these people may have held are due to their consciousness being formed by the context they were in; an inheritance. But once freed from the legacy of societies that proposed better things than theirs, only the inherent faggotry of Marxism remains.
Anonymous No.24792236 >>24792240 >>24792315 >>24792826 >>24794629
>>24792222
KEK, you chink Che Guevara redeemed himself into a woke liberal? He literally had concentration camps for homosexuals.
Anonymous No.24792240
>>24792236
think*
Anonymous No.24792273
>>24792165 (OP)
Hippies
Watch the last season of Mad Men
Anonymous No.24792302
>>24792165 (OP)
>infographic
Anonymous No.24792308
>>24792165 (OP)
the CIA and Mossad infiltrated it with trannies
Anonymous No.24792315 >>24792571 >>24794629 >>24795866
>>24792226
Because a basic standard of living and employment guarantee have been off the table since they purged communists from public life and started teaching Ayn Rand in schools. You're left with means-tested social programs that only go to pacific islander small business owners or naked capitalist austerity.
>>24792236
The ACP line about Che's 'based' hatred of homosexuals as some kind of fundamental aspect of his person is a mirror image of the NGO anticommunist soft left hack punditry that espoused the same thing, only the sentiment is inverted.
Anonymous No.24792511
>>24792165 (OP)
Because you bought into the shitlib "leftism" brand that the CIA fed you.

>Quote
Of course it's this one issue. You idiot IDpol tards are all the same. Shitlibs, shit-chuds. Same thing.
Anonymous No.24792532
>>24792165 (OP)
Because capitalism made life easier, so, now communists more free time to lament and cope about life.
Anonymous No.24792541 >>24792565
How's Cuba going? How's Argentina going? They are in terrible shape.
Anonymous No.24792565 >>24792584
>>24792541
Cuba is doing fine considering the U.S. hasn't been able to overthrow it.
Most states, in the U.S. however, are facing recession.
>Argentina
Millei is not doing too well politically. Probably not a good example to bring up.
Anonymous No.24792571 >>24792579 >>24794106 >>24795775 >>24795907
>>24792315
It is funny to me how you leftists always feel like tourists here. You thought that I must be a /pol/tard that brings that fact about him to deprive the left of him, like "hey, he hated homosexuals, you leftists can't brag about him, but I can". It's not that in this case. I'm right wing, he hated homosexuals and he oppressed them along with other groups deemed as "deviated". Your ideology and your historical leaders are intrinsically authoritarian.
Anonymous No.24792579 >>24792601 >>24792634
>>24792571
>Your ideology and your historical leaders are intrinsically authoritarian.
All ideologies are "authoritarian." Authority is an intrinsic fact of human life. You can't make societal decisions without it. Political power flows from a barrel of a gun, not your bitch made feelings.
Anonymous No.24792584 >>24792600 >>24794235
>>24792565
>Cuba is doing fine

https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-09-28/in-cuba-the-revolution-has-broken-its-promises-hunger-and-homelessness-are-on-the-rise.html?outputType=amp
Anonymous No.24792600 >>24792609
>>24792584
If that was true, why hasn't it collapsed yet?
Maybe you should stop coping.
Anonymous No.24792601 >>24792611 >>24794114
>>24792579
>All ideologies are "authoritarian." Authority is an intrinsic fact of human life. You can't make societal decisions without it. Political power flows from a barrel of a gun, not your bitch made feelings.

This is fucking nonsense and language gymnastics. There are political systems that allow to do more than others. And yours allows virtually nothing without supervision, thus why it's shit and has impoverished every country where it has been applied. Do you think that a small politburo of fanatic revolutionaries can coordinate society better than a decentralised mass made of millions of people? That's literally wasting the intellectual capabilities of most of the population. So fuck you and your anti life ideology.
Anonymous No.24792603
>>24792165 (OP)
Trump is starting to pussy out and turn leftist. Despite the curs of the so called left and right trying to stop premier comrade Trump, greatest socialist in American history, he still pulled off a partial nationalization of a mining company recently. The truth of the matter is that he should of went full nationalization, no more welfare checks for the residents. The company and assets are the only important part. The rest is just disposable. That's right premier comrade, continue the socialist agenda! The self imposed divisions of the residents can't stop us!
Anonymous No.24792609 >>24792613
>>24792600
>why hasn't it collapsed yet?
Because Cuba is a military dictatorship where the citizens have no power. El Pais is a left-leaning Spanish news site, for the record, so don't bother trying to say this is US propaganda.
Anonymous No.24792611 >>24792626 >>24792858
>>24792601
You're from a country that committed genocide in Gaza. Nobody is fooled by your moral grandstanding. You are an evil, bloodthirsty monster with the blood of thousands of Palestinian children on your hands. Any society with mettle would lynch people like you and slit your throats with knives.
Anonymous No.24792613 >>24792615
>>24792609
Spain is in NATO, buddy. We already know you're CIA.
Anonymous No.24792614
>>24792165 (OP)
>what changed?
Trannies
Anonymous No.24792615 >>24792617
>>24792613
Bait.
Anonymous No.24792617
>>24792615
Just KYS. Thanks.
Anonymous No.24792620
>>24792165 (OP)
>im curious what changed?
the lies wore thin

also look at the leftists today, like this clown >>24792202
since the Jews realized that white man can't be fooled by "postmodern arithmetic" they abandoned the endeavor, leaving it to the muslims, the chinese, and the slavs
Anonymous No.24792624
>Because Cuba is a military dictatorship where the citizens have no power
Anonymous No.24792626 >>24792632 >>24792638
>>24792611
That was truly endearing, I almost shed a tear. It's a shame that I'm Spanish and not American, kek. Since you have bet, under the risk of being ridiculed, that I'm American, I will be lenient will you and risk the same by betting that you are a resented muslim. Maybe you can blame me for getting back Al Andalus or for the Spanish Empire, when I didn't partake in any of those things, just like no Americans choose to fund Israel with their taxes (because they are compulsory, maybe you don't know that), and they are especially compulsory for them, since they have to pay taxes even if they leave the country, they can just stop paying by giving up the nationality.
Anonymous No.24792628 >>24792633
>>24792165 (OP)
Leftists were actually working-class back then.
Nowadays they're all virtue-signalling bourgeois faggots.
Anonymous No.24792632
>>24792626
with you*
Anonymous No.24792633
>>24792628
Orwell wrote a really good book about the differences between working class leftists and bourgeois leftists called The Road to Wiggan Pier.
Anonymous No.24792634 >>24792642
>>24792579
Classical liberalism is not authoritarian, dumbass.
Anonymous No.24792638
>>24792626
>Didn't take part in those things, but I should benefit from them
No, you're a colonizer, and you should be kirked or October 7th.
Anonymous No.24792642 >>24792674 >>24792717
>>24792634
>Classical liberalism is not authoritarian, dumbass.
That just means it has never existed, dumbass.
Anonymous No.24792674 >>24792682
>>24792642
nta. Libertarianism is aware of the state's violent nature, thus why it wants to reduce its scope of function to the minimal, or even abolish if it's possible (that's the difference between minarchism and anarchism). A minarchist state would be violent anyway but to a lesser extent than any other state. Your argument implies that all political systems have the same level of authority and that's absurd. Authoritarism occurs when the state is both willing and capable to intervene in most aspects of life.
Anonymous No.24792682 >>24792706
>>24792674
Libertarianism is a set of utopian ethics that most people don't follow or care about. Nobody with brain cells takes it seriously. It's mostly an ideology for kids who think the world revolves around them because they have too much free time on their hands.
Anonymous No.24792706 >>24792711 >>24792725
>>24792682
Not an argument. Since you clearly don't have a knack for theory I will just say, on a crassly empirical note, that the last two centuries of economic growth and obvious growing prosperity (unless you are blindfolded) are due to the imperfect implementation of classical liberal or libertarian ideas mixed with science. You can now proceed to stick to your materialist, realist, scientific and not idealistic at all leftist (probably marxist/leninist) ideas that haven't ever succeeded and that can only be implemented with revolution and bloodshed, you can also proceed to neglect the fact that the first policy of any socialist country is closing the borders for residents because of the absolute hellhole it becomes.
Anonymous No.24792711 >>24792728
>>24792706
It is an argument. It's observable reality. There are no societies, no major libertarian movements or parties, of which you describe, that have ever existed or achieved any lasting political power. Most humans don't even act like libertarians do which is why states exist in the first place. It's also equally stupid to act as if you can quantify violence is "too much" when violence is a purely qualitative concept. You're an just an idiot dealing abstracts with material basis.
Anonymous No.24792717 >>24792720
>>24792642
Raed some British history, you catamite.
Anonymous No.24792720 >>24792737 >>24792790 >>24792984 >>24793612 >>24794616
>>24792717
>Read British history
The wonderful "Classical Liberalism" of the British Empire, lmao.
Anonymous No.24792725 >>24792749 >>24793383
>>24792706
>You can now proceed to stick to your materialist, realist, scientific and not idealistic at all leftist (probably marxist/leninist) ideas that haven't ever succeeded
I'm an authoritarian. My beliefs succeed everywhere. We just kill people like you, and don't think much about it because we can. You have any ability to resist.
>on a crassly empirical note, that the last two centuries of economic growth and obvious growing prosperity
From governments that adopted Marx's critiques of capitalism and regulated it with safety nets, trade unions, child labor laws and environmental regulations. Libertarians were too busy defending slavery and raping kids to do that.
Anonymous No.24792728 >>24792735
>>24792711
You can always go to Saudi Arabia, otherwise Hobbies doesn't know anything and needs Socialists to protect him. Is that where moldybread plans on going?
Anonymous No.24792735 >>24792746
>>24792728
Why would a libertarian be against Saudi Arabia when they have lack child marriage laws and allow consensual child sex slavery? You guys love that.
Anonymous No.24792737 >>24792742 >>24792795 >>24792984
>>24792720
Churchill was a war criminal
Cecil Rhodes too
Anonymous No.24792742 >>24792756
>>24792737
So? Every head of state has to be a war criminal. War, in itself, has never happened without innocent people dying and authoritarianism. It's just a further confirmation of my beliefs. Nobody acts like you retards do. You are purely a utopian moralist.
Anonymous No.24792746
>>24792735
This must be one of those pills. I lost my pill organizer, what color coding is popular right now?
Anonymous No.24792749 >>24792757
>>24792725
Child labor laws as in laws for getting children to work? kek

>We consider the tendency of modern industry to make children and juvenile persons of both sexes co-operate in the great work of social production, as a progressive, sound and legitimate tendency, although under capital it was distorted into an abomination. In a rational state of society every child whatever, from the age of 9 years, ought to become a productive labourer in the same way that no able-bodied adult person ought to be exempted from the general law of nature, viz.: to work in order to be able to eat, and work not only with the brain but with the hands too.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1866/08/instructions.htm
Anonymous No.24792750
>>24792165 (OP)
The religious always have their own unique terroir. Latino soil just happens to be extremely racist. If he were a Christian or Muslim he'd have said similar things, in spite of this being contrary the doctrines of both.
Anonymous No.24792756 >>24792763
>>24792742
Well this is why the people invented socialism/communism/anarchism. We don't want the shackles of "civilization" and the psychopathic killers that rule them.
No, Che wasn't a functional socialist, he was a Marxist. State-socialism whether Cuban or Swedish or Chinese isn't working out.
Anonymous No.24792757 >>24792791
>>24792749
>Proceeding from this standpoint, we say that no parent and no employer ought to be allowed to use juvenile labour, except when combined with education.
Yeah, why live out the entire quote? He's talking about public education, retard.
Do me the favor, and quote the rest. Let me show you how stupid you sound.
Anonymous No.24792763 >>24792779
>>24792756
>This is why people invented utopian ideologies, that are essentially secular religions, which can't work in material reality
Yeah, we know. That's why you will never achieve anything or be relevant.
Anonymous No.24792779 >>24792785
>>24792763
>Good luck faggot. I'm protected behind four levels of Freemasonry
Anonymous No.24792785
>>24792779
If you want to larp as a medieval peasant, nobody is stopping you, retard.
You might as well because you're powerless to do anything about us. Go live out your utopian hopes on some shitty CHAZ commune. I don't give a fuck.
Just pay your taxes and let us adults run society, okay?
Anonymous No.24792790 >>24792831
>>24792720
>Opinion
Stopped reading there. Stuff your wokeslop up your arse.
British colonialism civilised the world.
Anonymous No.24792791 >>24792815
>>24792757
Yeah, why live out the entire quote? Let's see how it continues.

>By education we understand three things.
>Firstly: Mental education.
>Secondly: Bodily education, such as is given in schools of gymnastics, and by military exercise.
>Thirdly: Technological training, which imparts the general principles of all processes of production, and, simultaneously initiates the child and young person in the practical use and handling of the elementary instruments of all trades. [The German text calls this "polytechnical training." -- Ed]
>A gradual and progressive course of mental, gymnastic, and technological training ought to correspond to the classification of the juvenile labourers. The costs of the technological a schools ought to be partly met by the sale of their products.
>The combination of paid productive labour, mental education bodily exercise and polytechnic training, will raise the working class far above the level of the higher and middle classes.

Turns out that working is education. Military training is education too. Everything good for the commune is education because the child has not his own individual interests, his interests are completely coincidental with the interests of the commune. So OF COURSE learning how to work and manipulate machinery is education.
Anonymous No.24792795
>>24792737
Explain in what ways Churchill was a "war criminal." I'll wait.
Anonymous No.24792803 >>24792811
>>24792165 (OP)
Thereโ€™s a ton of anti-woke leftists now, like Haz and Jackson Hinkle. If I had to bet theyโ€™ll probably have their day in the sun sooner than later, leftist economics without the LGBT support and race rhetoric would be popular in America
Anonymous No.24792811 >>24792848 >>24792851 >>24792954
>>24792803
I'm actually hyped by it. I want to see leftist economic policies implemented in the US so that they instantly impoverish everyone and socialism dies for good.
Anonymous No.24792815 >>24792858
>>24792791
>It is self-understood that the employment of all persons from 9 and to 17 years (inclusively) in nightwork and all health-injuring trades must be strictly prohibited by law.
You still left out the rest of the quote, lol. And we know why. It's because it's not "child labor" to teach kids how to work, retard. The entire document is just Marx showing how education will needed for children to be productive members of a socialist society. Of course, that means most of their time, in this example, has to be teaching them productive skills and not working most of the time. That's nothing like working in a factory, as you saying. If anything, that form of "child labor" was way more radical for its time considering the primary goal is not make kids profitable for manual labor, but to prepare them for life through a humanistic education.
Instead, you are being disingenuous because you're a retard who thinks people can't read, unlike you. Maybe you are someone who was a child who didn't go school so that's why your reading skills are so poor. It makes sense considering the US is bringing back child labor.
Anonymous No.24792826 >>24793497 >>24794629
>>24792236
You know there was a sign in the entrance of one of these camps, it said "Work will make you men".
Anonymous No.24792831 >>24792881
>>24792790
>British colonialism civilised the world.
Your current government would arrest you for saying that in public.
Anonymous No.24792848 >>24792856
>>24792811
I think the right path involves a corralled/restrained capitalism. Capitalism (or at least, some system where open economic competition occurs) is what drives an economy. But you need a powerful referee at the top to intervene and eliminate monopolies and to ensure the people are served. This can be done by the CCP, the Saudi or Emirati monarchies, etc. But every system needs such a referee
Anonymous No.24792851 >>24792882
>>24792811
>want to see leftist economic policies implemented in the US so that they instantly impoverish everyone and socialism dies for good
The US already has leftist policies like social security, medicare, and medicaid
And people don't die from it
Anonymous No.24792856 >>24792863
>>24792848
> open economic competition occurs
>eliminate monopolies
lmao retard, have you ever read Marx? You would know why this is impossible under capitalism.
Anonymous No.24792858 >>24792864
>>24792815
He is saying that children should learn how to work by working. By
>It is self-understood that the employment of all persons from 9 and to 17 years (inclusively) in nightwork and all health-injuring trades must be strictly prohibited by law.

you should understand that daywork is, in fact, allowed. So part of children's education is physical work, actually producing commodities with their hands albeit with a reduced and less risky shift. But he is indeed supporting children labour, I don't care if he or you understand it as education.

What you are saying is essentially "hey, he wasn't a monster even for his time's standards, so he must be okay for today's standards". Do you think anyone let alone Marx would write supporting nightshifts and health injuring work for children? Of course not, but that does not eliminate the fact that he supported children labour. Call it a product of his time or whatever, but don't defend it, you sound ridiculous.

>It makes sense considering the US is bringing back child labor.

Another retard like >>24792611
assuming I'm from the US.
Anonymous No.24792863 >>24792871
>>24792856
The Chinese and the Gulf Arabs seem to have figured it out
>inb4 โ€œThe Chinese arenโ€™t capitalistโ€
They have a very capitalist economy, with all the classes of capitalism (bourgeoisie, proletariat) present in China. Not even Xi Jinping denies this.
Anonymous No.24792864 >>24792907
>>24792858
>He is saying that children should learn how to work by working. By
The work being education and gymnastics instead of working in a factory. Wow! So EVIL. Retard.
>assuming I'm from the US.
You clearly are you because you think gymnastics is work. Americans are fat slob. Any physical activity is seen as work to you.
Anonymous No.24792868
I want to ask the chuds and the lefties in this thread to name 5 twentieth century authors they like from the other camp. If you can't you're a directionbrained retard.

For me, it's
>Edmund Wilson
>Miroslav Krleza
>Eugene O'Neill
>Tennessee Williams
>Georg Heym
Anonymous No.24792871 >>24792877 >>24792879
>>24792863
>The Chinese and the Gulf Arabs seem to have figured it out
By nationalizing them as state enterprises, retard. That's what Marx called for. That's how you prevent monopolies, by regulating them. Neither of those countries are "open." They are highly authoritarian. In China, only members of the CPC can run businesses.
Anonymous No.24792877 >>24792883
>>24792871
>nationalisation prevents monopolies
It must take years of study to reach this level of retardation. Well done.
Anonymous No.24792879
>>24792871
Iโ€™m not sure why Iโ€™ve pissed you off so much, but relax.

Anyway, nationalization as a way of refereeing the capitalist economy works just fine as far as Iโ€™m concerned. If I was in charge the US do that to Walmart/Amazon.
Anonymous No.24792881
>>24792831
That's because they're not classical liberals.
Anonymous No.24792882 >>24792887
>>24792851
Those are very milquetoast redistribution policies. By leftist policies I meant actual intervention in production, not intervention by redistribution. Redistribution always has an impact in production anyway and this is what european social democrats don't seem to understand (who am I lying to, they do understand but it serves as a justification for draconian 50% taxing) but it is less harming than direct expropriation and statal production.
Anonymous No.24792883 >>24792985
>>24792877
You have to be retarded if you think the state regulating businesses means they act like monopolies.
Anonymous No.24792887 >>24792898 >>24792954 >>24793218
>>24792882
>Those are very milquetoast redistribution policies. By leftist policies I meant actual intervention in production
This is a no True Scotsman fallacy. Those policies only exist because leftists fought for them. I don't really care about what you believe leftists ought to do, as do most people, I care about what actually happened. Social democracy was invented by Karl Marx And Frederick Engels, you dumbass.
Anonymous No.24792892
>>24792165 (OP)
Real leftists (Marxist leninist maoists) are based and literally werenโ€™t wrong at all.

The libtard antifa larpers you see today arenโ€™t leftists they are angry kids not organized paramilitary organizations. There is no left wing in America since Reagan took an axe to unions and Obreezy declared corporations to have the same rights as humans.
Anonymous No.24792898 >>24792904
>>24792887
>Social democracy was invented by Karl Marx And Frederick Engels, you dumbass.
Didnโ€™t Stalin call social democrats fascists
Anonymous No.24792904 >>24792925 >>24794074
>>24792898
And Stalin raped kids, so does that mean he was a libertarian?
Anonymous No.24792907 >>24792913 >>24792923
>>24792864
>The work being education and gymnastics instead of working in a factory. Wow! So EVIL. Retard.

He is clearly not saying that. He talks about actual industrial labour as long as it is for educational purposes.

>Proceeding from this standpoint, we say that no parent and no employer ought to be allowed to use juvenile labour, except when combined with education.

Except when combined with education. So juvenile labour can be used if it's educational. This leaves room for a nominal reinterpretation to justify children labour because it's "educational". Then he adds the nightwork and health injuring trades clause, but he tolerates actual children labour in industry, it's not just gymnastics.

>You clearly are you because you think gymnastics is work. Americans are fat slob. Any physical activity is seen as work to you.

He doesn't talk just about gymnastics. And I insist, I'm not American.
Anonymous No.24792913
>>24792907
>He is clearly not saying that
But he did say it. You quoted him saying it.
>Except when combined with education. So juvenile labour can be used if it's educational.
Yes, if you're retarded, you can call all education labor. Education is laborious task. Wow. You are very intelligent.
Anonymous No.24792923
>>24792907
>Marx saying we should restrict labor, for children, so they have more time to study and learn skills that make them independent of child labor is child labor
you're clearly an anarchist retard or a shitlib
Anonymous No.24792925 >>24792936 >>24792941 >>24792947
>>24792904
Stalin is one of the people in the main line of leftist thought: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Deng, Xi. You canโ€™t be a leftist and think Stalin was wrong. Thatโ€™s like being a Muslim and thinking Muhammad was wrong
Anonymous No.24792936 >>24792972
>>24792925
>Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Deng, Xi. You canโ€™t be a leftist and think Stalin was wrong
Mao and Che thought Stalin was wrong, so they weren't leftists, retard? Even Lenin disagreed with Stalin.
Anonymous No.24792941
>>24792925
Except they are all different
>Marx
Theorycel
>Engels
Mathcel
>Lenin
Obsessed electricitycel
>Stalin
Productioncel
>Mao
Obsessed culturecel
>Deng
What if we did le global capitalism instead
>Xi
Global capitalist
Anonymous No.24792947 >>24792972
>>24792925
I love how you Mao, Deng and Xi when Mao purged them both.
You're so stupid.
Anonymous No.24792954 >>24793018 >>24793044
>>24792887
I'm not saying that those policies aren't leftist, they are and they are harming anyway. I said that, for the particular post from me that you were citing (>>24792811), "leftist economic policies" meant intervention in production.

>Social democracy was invented by Karl Marx And Frederick Engels

Social democracy meant something very different back then. They meant abolishing private property of the means of production by successive elections, not redistribution of the profits of capitalism.

>Those policies only exist because leftists fought for them.

The state is very interested in handling as much taxpayer's money as possible. If a corrupt politician manages to steal, let's say, 0.0001% of that gargantuan social democrat statal budget with 50% taxes, he and all his family and his party will be rich. And it is a perfect business for them, because all of that happens while people like you consider that 50% taxing a successful conquest of rights, when that money could be funding private services which work better. And don't tell me about US' private healthcare working like shit because it is highly regulated anyway, there are laws that oblige to include the cheaptest treatments in the insurance system when they should be paid at once by the client and not by all the clients under the insurance. That is a form of socialization within private companies that raise the prices of insurance, and it's actually mathematically proven. In game theory there's a experiment by which splitting the bill ends up with a higher bill than individual payment, because by splitting the bill everyone wants to be the one who orders above the average, and each of those decisions increase the average. The laws obliging to include all in the insurace enforce this phenomenon within private companies, when only catastrophic diseases (which not so many people could afford) should be insured.
Anonymous No.24792972 >>24793341
>>24792936
What are you talking about lmao? Mao worshipped Stalin, the Sino-Soviet split happened because he was pissed off about Khrushchevโ€˜s condemnation of Stalin

>>24792947
The popes disagreed with the actions of their predecessors all the time, but Catholics revere all of them. Same deal here
Anonymous No.24792984
>>24792720
>>24792737
Saaaarrrr do not redeem the ยฃ47 trillion saaaarr
Anonymous No.24792985 >>24793025
>>24792883
You have to be retarded if you think we weren't talking about nationalisation.
State monopolies are still monopolies. Worse, they're monopolies with a political purpose.
Anonymous No.24793016 >>24793502 >>24794576
>>24792202
The jews became too successful to be Marxist? Confused.
Anonymous No.24793018 >>24793035
>>24792954
>Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are harming people
I stopped reading right there. There's no way you're an adult and believe this. These programs are seniors are dying in the streets, and why millions of people can receive healthcare.
>Social democracy meant something very different back then. They meant abolishing private property of the means of production by successive elections, not redistribution of the profits of capitalism.
Again, this is wrong. Marx and Engels did not believe socialism had a set program or beliefs. Why pretend you even know what you're talking about. They made it very clear the communism, socialism are all emergent processes depending the material conditions. That's why argued revolution would happen different in America and Russia. All the other stuff you're saying non-sense because you don't understand the theory at all.
Anonymous No.24793025 >>24793029 >>24793049 >>24793050
>>24792985
>State monopolies are still monopolies
Maybe look up what a monopoly is
Anonymous No.24793029
>>24793025
He won't, because he's a retard.
Anonymous No.24793035 >>24793043 >>24793044
>>24793018
There's literally a book called "communist maniphesto". What's that if not a political programme? Moreover, Marx said that philosophers have been too concerned about describing reality and not about transforming it (which is something he would change). Marx's theories purported scientific character is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "ooohh yeah the material conditions will inexorably lead to a revolution in the West", "ooohh we have updated our scientific theory, turns out that the revolution will happen in Russia, Russia is key". What a fucking joke of "science".

>I stopped reading right there. There's no way you're an adult and believe this. These programs are seniors are dying in the streets, and why millions of people can receive healthcare.

There's an elaborate argument in my post as to why private healthcare is so expensive in the US and thus why medicare and medicaid are statal patches to an already intervened private healthcare sector. It's up to you to remain blindfolded.
Anonymous No.24793043 >>24793153 >>24793176
>>24793035
Ok but his sciencific formula literally are true and Keynes and Milton seethed endlessly over reality agreeing with Marx though
Anonymous No.24793044 >>24793052 >>24794008
>>24792954
>The state is very interested in handling as much taxpayer's money as possible.
This is totally wrong. Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare exist because capitalism doesn't provide most people with a way to pay for retirement or healthcare. This is because variable capital, or wages, must be kept as low as possible for capitalists to make a profit. Therefore, workers are almost never going to have the funds to save, as all of their wages go to subsistence. This is a natural result of the tendency for the profit rate to fall, which always leads to cyclic crises under capitalism.
>>24793035
>There's literally a book called "communist maniphesto". What's that if not a political programme?
You clearly didn't read the Manifesto. The Manifesto itself says was only context specific and did not apply universally. Why even pretend you know what you're talking about?
Anonymous No.24793049 >>24793063
>>24793025
Maybe look up what a state monopoly is
Anonymous No.24793050 >>24793057
>>24793025
Maybe you retards should look at Max Weber's definition of the state as the monopoly of violence. When there is a public service and the state forbids that private companies provide that same service by law, it's obviously a PURE monopoly sustained at gunpoint. When there is a public service that coexists with similar services provided by the private sector, it's not a pure monopoly but it has monopolistic properties, because the public services receives funding from its competitors via taxing. When a competitor company earns money because people resort to its services, the statal service receives a part from it.
Anonymous No.24793052 >>24793068
>>24793044
>capitalism doesn't provide most people with a way to pay for retirement or healthcare
What are company pensions and health insurance.
>wages, must be kept as low as possible for capitalists to make a profit
Henry Ford knew this is bullshit.
>workers are almost never going to have the funds to save
Not when they lack spending discipline, and waste their hard-earned cash on trivial shit.
Anonymous No.24793057
>>24793050
>Max Weber
Stopped reading right. Why don't you read someone who isn't a pseud
Anonymous No.24793063 >>24793117
>>24793049
Thatโ€™s an oxymoron. Like I said you need to look up a monopoly.
Anonymous No.24793068 >>24793136
>>24793052
>What are company pensions and health insurance.
Most companies don't provide that, retard. Nor is it ever enough because companies cut corners to provide it. The US doesn't even have universal healthcare or paid family level.
>Henry Ford knew this is bullshit.
The nazi who raised wages because he feared unionization, retard?
>Not when they lack spending discipline, and waste their hard-earned cash on trivial shit.
Weird, that doesn't seem to be the case because, if it was, those programs wouldn't exist, retard.
Anonymous No.24793102
>>24792165 (OP)
Zizek says that leftists in the 1980s or so abandoned communism as a serious goal and reoriented themselves around moralizing.
Anonymous No.24793117 >>24793134 >>24793147
>>24793063
>Thatโ€™s an oxymoron.
Apparently not, dumbass.
Anonymous No.24793134 >>24793144
>>24793117
>Calls people dumbasses
>Cites Wikipedia
Just stop posting on /lit/, pseud. Read a book.
Anonymous No.24793136 >>24793154
>>24793068
>Most companies don't provide that, retard.
>The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that 57% of private-sector firms with fewer than 100 workers offered a retirement benefit plan as of 2023, while 86% of companies with 100 or more workersโ€”and 91% of firms with 500 or more workersโ€”offered a plan.
LOL
>because he feared unionization
In your sick fucking head. Ford was merely smart. Way smarter than you.
>if it was, those programs wouldn't exist
Retarded Democrat governments have existed, therefore those programs exist. Retard.
Anonymous No.24793144 >>24793157
>>24793134
>you should adopt my definitions instead of consensus definitions
The very definition of a schizo LMAO.
Anonymous No.24793147 >>24793160
>>24793117
Based retard
Anonymous No.24793153 >>24793163
>>24793043
Do you have any explanation for this? From Thomas Piketty's book Capital in the 21st century, not from a libertarian.
Anonymous No.24793154 >>24793167
>>24793136
>LOL
Because of ACA mandating it for companies more than 50 employees, retard. Imagine not knowing you're own fucking laws.
>In your sick fucking head.
According to history, retard. Maybe read a book? You don't even know healthcare works in your own country, but you want to act educated, lol.
>Retarded Democrat governments have existed
Every developed country on planet uses taxes to pay for old age insurance and healthcare because capitalism doesn't provide it for enough workers, retard. Again, you don't even know what you're talking about. I
Anonymous No.24793157 >>24793191
>>24793144
>Wikipedia
>Consensus in question
Lmao, lol even.
Anonymous No.24793160 >>24793166 >>24793172
>>24793147
Not an argument. Surrender accepted.
Anonymous No.24793163
>>24793153
My graph is from here: https://www.nber.org/research/data/penn-world-tables

Your graph is unsourced and obviously wrong.
Anonymous No.24793166 >>24793173
>>24793160
Marx already won.
Anonymous No.24793167 >>24793184
>>24793154
>i reject reality and substitute my own
Good luck with that, schizo.
Anonymous No.24793172 >>24793178
>>24793160
States erase markets via legislature they arenโ€™t competing. You donโ€™t know what a monopoly is.
Anonymous No.24793173 >>24793195
>>24793166
Yeah, that would explain the prevalence of Marxist societies today.
Anonymous No.24793176 >>24794008 >>24794804
>>24793043
Any explanation for this? Public debt bonds are an alternative to capital in investment. If capital's return rates have consistently fallen, investors should have increased demand of public debt bonds, and it is widely known that public debt interest rates fall when the demand for bonds increases at short term. We haven't seen a long term decrease of interest rates, so it makes no sense that the return rates of capital have fallen.

And interest rates are a much better measurement for this because you don't have to calculate anything presuming a method, you just have to gather historical data. Your graph probably presumes a shit ton of theoretical marxist premises to get those results.

>Keynes
>Milton

Couldn't care less about them. Austrian scool is where's the truth's at except perhaps for monetary theory, in which the liquidity preference theory is better
Anonymous No.24793178 >>24793188
>>24793172
>they arenโ€™t competing
That's the precise definition of a monopoly, dumbass.
Anonymous No.24793184 >>24793213
>>24793167
You're denying the Affordable Healthcare Act mandates healthcare for companies with more than 50 employees. You are denying reality, not me. Capitalism doesn't work without regulation, and reality proves Marx correct. Sorry, but you've lost. You're never getting your child rape, libertarian, unregulated robber baron utopia in your life time.
Anonymous No.24793188 >>24793196
>>24793178
>he thinks there can be monopolies without markets
Anonymous No.24793191
>>24793157
>implying those backers have anything remotely in common
Subscription to conspiracy theories is a schizo's stock-in-trade.
Anonymous No.24793195 >>24793205 >>24793246
>>24793173
Considering that almost all capitalist countries have adopted the eight-hour workday, trade union rights, social insurance, public education, and central banks, all things Marx called for, yes. You definitely aren't a retard coping because you've never read Marx or understood socialism. You've clearly demonstrated that thus far.
Anonymous No.24793196
>>24793188
>he thinks the erasure of the market isn't a monopoly
Anonymous No.24793199
>>24792165 (OP)
Dropping trvkes is now seen as bad because of a combination of multiculturalism and democracy. This is also a quote by a leftist in South America. Leftism and racial politics in America or another western country is different. In the 60s, your average American civil rights activist leftist would have most likely frowned at that quote.
Anonymous No.24793205 >>24793223
>>24793195
Central banks and public education existed before Marx. The rest was implemented by passing socialist governments - so in what sense are they "capitalist countries," dumbass?
Anonymous No.24793213
>>24793184
>Sorry, but you've lost.
LOL, the last resort of the floundering internet blowhard.
But keep setting up those strawmen if it makes you happy.
Anonymous No.24793218 >>24793229
>>24792887
>Social democracy was invented by Karl Marx And Frederick Engels
truly the most retarded thing I've ever read
Anonymous No.24793223 >>24793242 >>24793251
>>24793205
How did Marx lose, then, if capitalists ended up doing what he predicted to prevent revolution due to the tendency of the profit rate to fall, retard? Then again, you may find it difficult to connect the dots here. You're not that bright, but , I'll give you a chance.
Anonymous No.24793229
>>24793218
>Marx and Engels did not find the First Social Democratic party in the world
This has to be the stupidest post in the thread, by far.
Anonymous No.24793242 >>24793296
>>24793223
>capitalists
Once again, it was the socialists, retard.
Anonymous No.24793245
>>24792165 (OP)

They are dreamers. And yet, they never dreamt a sail.
Anonymous No.24793246 >>24793298
>>24793195
Where do I start with Marx? Do you recommend the Reader?
Anonymous No.24793251 >>24793296 >>24793296
>>24793223
>How did Marx lose
He didnโ€™t kek heโ€™s going to win, just wait for the ROP to hit zero once the singularity happens or enough technology has been developed to where robots are cheaper than Indians and you will gradually see corporations and capitalist exploitation fade away along with the state. Itโ€™s a natural logical consequence of reality. Thank god the speed of light is slow enough that niggers like Musk can never achieve their galactic capitalist imperialism and keep the rate of profit above zero forever.
Anonymous No.24793290
>>24792165 (OP)
Cultural marxists/critical theorists made the deliberate calculation to shift to women and non whites since classical class based Marxism had clearly failed and because the working classes, in particular in America, had become wealthy enough from industrial capitalism to not be interested in Marxism. Read Lindsayโ€™s cynical theories and other books like that.
Anonymous No.24793296 >>24793298 >>24795948
>>24793251
>Where do I start with Marx? Do you recommend the Reader?
I recommend starting from the Greeks, especially Plato, Aristotle, and the Epicureans (Marx wrote his thesis him). You have to get a good grip on early philosophy and dialectical reasoning. Once you have that, you should then work your way up to Hegel and familiarize yourself with his contemporaries such Kant, Schling and Spinoza. You don't have to read all of his works, but I recommend Philosophy Of Right to at least get an understanding of his dialectical process because Marx uses it a lot in his works. Then, once you have a decent grasp of dialectics, familiarize yourself Marx and the pre-Marxian socialist movement's history. Then start with the German Ideology and work your way up to Capital.
>>24793242
It was both, you fucking retard. Socialists pressured capitalists into implementing the reforms. Either way, you lost.
>>24793251
>just wait for the ROP to hit zero
The TFPF has already led to socialisation of capitalism's economic base. It's just going to continue as capitalists find ways to maintain their power.
Anonymous No.24793298 >>24795948
>>24793246
See
>>24793296
Anonymous No.24793313 >>24793315 >>24793331 >>24793338
>thread filled with leftists lying and making plausibly deniable statements and dancing around the fact that they are leftists and that their entire ideological movement is a lie and inconsistent and makes no sense and is a total failure.
Anonymous No.24793315 >>24793325 >>24795360 >>24795408
>>24793313
All Iโ€™ve seen from leftists ITT is cold hard data.
Anonymous No.24793325 >>24793387
>>24793315
Might want to learn what diminishing returns are
Anonymous No.24793331 >>24793676
>>24793313
What lies? Marx was right. You even have Trump nationalizing firms and abandoning free trade and open borders because even they realized, like Marx, capitalism has to be tamed or it will cause social effects.
Anonymous No.24793338
>>24793313
I havenโ€™t read the replies to this yet but Iโ€™m going to assume they vindicate my point
Anonymous No.24793341
>>24792972
>Mao worshipped Stalin,
No he didn't. He denounced Stalin's purges and wrote a critique of Soviet economics. Mao disliked Stalin because Stalin supported the KMT and did not trust Mao because he thought of him as a Titoist.
Anonymous No.24793383 >>24793392
>>24792725
>I'm an authoritarian. My beliefs succeed everywhere. We just kill people like you, and don't think much about it because we can.
Have you ever killed anyone
Anonymous No.24793387 >>24793396
>>24793325
Russias economy is worse today than its peak at in the Soviet era. Iโ€™m not seeing any evidence btw from you just empty rhetoric. As usual, the left is armed with facts and the right has nothing.
Anonymous No.24793392
>>24793383
I've killed many of sovereign citizens, libertarians
Anonymous No.24793396 >>24793402
>>24793387
>Russia is worse
Good. They should be worse off after raping the Aral Sea, murdering millions of people in the Baltics, and helping Nazi Germany.
Anonymous No.24793402 >>24793408
>>24793396
They killed a lot more than just baltoids and nazis tho
Anonymous No.24793408 >>24793415
>>24793402
Russians are still dying in Ukraine bud
Anonymous No.24793412
>>24792165 (OP)
>im curious what changed?
they died and were reborn as the MAGA movement.
Anonymous No.24793415 >>24793426
>>24793408
Based or something I forgot what your point was? They were doing better under socialism and they deserve collapse or something now that they switched over? Weird.
Anonymous No.24793426 >>24793430
>>24793415
If they were doing better under socialism, they wouldn't have collapsed, bud.
Anonymous No.24793430 >>24793487
>>24793426
Do you think it had anything to do with the entire world launching a Cold War against them?
Anonymous No.24793483
>Marxist screeching
Anonymous No.24793487 >>24793490
>>24793430
Do you think that had to do anything with the fact the USSR declared war against the entire world?
Anonymous No.24793490
>>24793487
Schizo image
Anonymous No.24793497 >>24794629
>>24792826
>South American version of Arbeit macht frei
so basically LatAm homo Auschwitz
Anonymous No.24793502
>>24793016
You'll always be confused, chuddie. Keep crying about the 100 gorillion holodomor-ocaust
Anonymous No.24793612
>>24792720
fake statistic but I wish it were real. needs repeating
Anonymous No.24793676
>>24793331
that's fascism
Anonymous No.24794008 >>24794010 >>24794126 >>24794133 >>24794706 >>24794775 >>24794804
>>24793044
>This is because variable capital, or wages, must be kept as low as possible for capitalists to make a profit.

This is true. But if you knew something about economics, you'd know that in a free market, workers can choose to leave a company and work in another company where he is paid a higher salary. At a large scale, this prompts average salary increases. Real salaries (discounting inflation) have consistently increased under capitalism and without the need for minimum wage laws.

>This is a natural result of the tendency for the profit rate to fall, which always leads to cyclic crises under capitalism.

I insist, can you explain why public debt bonds interest rates haven't fallen? >>24793176

>You clearly didn't read the Manifesto. The Manifesto itself says was only context specific and did not apply universally. Why even pretend you know what you're talking about?

Yeah, it doesn't apply universally, just like any other fucking political programme. Denying that the Communist Manifesto is not a political programme is peak delusion. It literally prescribes the tactics the workers have to follow to pursue the revolution and oppose other political parties.
Anonymous No.24794010
>>24794008
is a political programme*
Anonymous No.24794074
>>24792904
Underrated comment
Anonymous No.24794085 >>24794574
I knew an old communist who had (more or less, from what I could tell) read most of Joseph Stalin's collected works in the 1970s which a Mexican had lended him. It's obscure but there was a fairly serious Mexican communist movement in the 60s/70s that involved company-sized attacks on Mexican troops. It didn't work very well. At any rate, one of these guys who is now in the ACP was praising Stalin and how much of a great genius he was, and this boomer asked him which works by Joseph Stalin he particularly liked. He couldn't name any (because he hadn't read any). Then the boomer said he didn't think Stalin added anything original to what Lenin had already written. Anyways that's the story.
Anonymous No.24794106
>>24792571
Communism cannot exist without being authoritarian because capitalis will always present slavery as a choice and make you pick every possible choice to turn you into a slave. Drugs, pornography, organized crime, bad music and hamburgers all of those nasty things were oppressed within the USSR and China way more than they were in the West because they are tools of keeping you subjulgated. Capitalism's oppression is a way more insidious and dishonest one and thus a much more powerful type. So what if tibetan monks or whatever were deprived of their religion if said religion allowed for them to whip children until they bled without any consequences? A communist state will always be an authoritarian one until capitalism loses it's strength because it will always be fighting agains't it. You don't end up in a death camp in China ror no fucking reason and if you are there you likely deserve it somewhat
Anonymous No.24794114 >>24794664
>>24792601
>Do you think that a small politburo of fanatic revolutionaries can coordinate society better than a decentralised mass made of millions of people?
Yes. A central elite with lives mostly turned around the management of the state with a strong secretariat that gives membership based MOSTLY off merit, as seen with the USSR and China and many of their structures needed to rise up in the party ranks being way more merit based (big state tests, career time, achievements) than the ones seen on western parties and corporations (sucking off your boss, being his best friend's nephew, DEI and so on) is a way more efficient system. It's not a perfect one but it's definitly the best way to run a place composed mostly of barely literate peasant people who willingly enslave themselves like Russia, China, Mexico, America...
Trotsky was a lunatic because he couldn't accept the inevitable changes within the party of taking the crazy revolutionaries needed for the first steps of the revolution away to replace them with bureocrats and proper statesman instead of his crew of brigadiers that put bombs on trains mostly for personal glory. This is not to disparage or discredit the actual revolutionaries but after the more violent parts of a revolution are done they should be gone, not for good but just temporarily piping down until they are needed again to keep the system from becoming overly normative rulerapist shit so they can keep the revolution from falling off the rails. Keeping crazy revolutionaries around for too long will just turn into the french revolution. Their role is an important one, maybe even the most, but it's not a permanent one
Anonymous No.24794124
some time in the 70's, teh elite did a deal with the leftists - let us keep our banking and financial systemts and we'll let you have your sexual freedom.
The left is no longer interested in economic reform.
Anonymous No.24794126 >>24794706
>>24794008
>This is true. But if you knew something about economics, you'd know that in a free market, workers can choose to leave a company and work in another company where he is paid a higher salary. At a large scale, this prompts average salary increases. Real salaries (discounting inflation) have consistently increased under capitalism and without the need for minimum wage laws.
That doesn't change the logic of capital, retard. The fact of the matter is that competition always drives down wages, regardless, because the tendency for the profit to fall effects all firms since every firm has to compete to survive. And that only come from cutting down wages. More so, retard, most people can't switch their jobs due to age, location, their abilities and even family obligations. You've never had a job, so , there isn't anyway for you to understand this.
>minimum wage laws
Minimum wage laws exist because capitalism can not profit a living wage. By saying this, you're basically saying workers don't know their own living expenses It's a pretty delusional view not based in reality. The laws exist because workers agreed with Marx, not you, that wages are never enough.
>I insist, can you explain why public debt bonds interest rates haven't fallen?
Interest rates are high because because debt is high everywhere, retard. In fact, this is a consequence of the tendency for the profit to fall as borrowing is how companies stay profitable. You literally posting evidence re-affirming Marx's thesis because you're too to understand economics, lol. Bonds are held by banks, and banks can only make money off interest that comes from loans that are used for business investments.
>Yeah, it doesn't apply universally, just like any other fucking political programme. Denying that the Communist Manifesto is not a political programme is peak delusion.
No one said it wasn't a political programme, you illiterate retard. The point being Marx and Engels never said the Communist Mainfesto was the only path to communism. It was a political program specific to their time and country. Again, because you didn't read it, you mad claims you can't defend. You're a retard, and you can not even refute Marx no matter how are you try.
Anonymous No.24794133 >>24794624
>>24794008
>Nominal wages in the United Kingdom
Imagine posting this graph, and then saying minimum wage laws aren't necessary. The United Kingdom has a NATIONAL minimum wage law you fucking retard.
Holy shit, why are anti-Marxists, communists on /lit/ so retarded? They can't even make themselves look good. You guys have below 60 IQ or something.
Anonymous No.24794145 >>24794152 >>24794629
>>24792165 (OP)
Once you allow any movement to be subverted by Jews and women it will simply become a joke version of itself that exists to promote their seethe at their anti-human obsessions with creating more ugliness, rubbing more shitcolor into beautiful things, and fucking children.

Che was sent to die because he did not like shitcolor or Jews or faggots. He had to go. So off to be tortured to death by the CIA he was sent by his "friend" Fidel. Now he did deserve this for being a thief, and it's good that he died begging for his life and crying and being tortured, but it's indicative of the punishment which has come for every Left wing person who is not some kind of degenerate freak. Every left-wing movement at this juncture has been effectively purged of functional and sane, healthy people. What few of them are left are being rapidly driven out, because they are not wanted. They would naturally make the bulk of the coalition feel inferior.

Basically when assembling a Left Wing force, you have to choose one flaw for hero units and two for regular troops:
Low IQ Murderer/Rapist (Brown)
Pedophile Faggot (Faggot/Tranny)
Weak Cowardly Neurotic Freak (Jew)
Schizophrenic Harpy (Childless Woman/Dyke)

So your cadres are uniformly at without exception some combination of these. This is called intesectionality, I'm told.
Anonymous No.24794152
>>24794145
You should go back to /pol/.
Anonymous No.24794168
>>24792165 (OP)
Leftism has always been a joke practiced by literal subhumans.
Anonymous No.24794171
Sorry guys, I like to own stuff.
Anonymous No.24794172
>>24792165 (OP)
Why were the foreign supporters to Mao's communism all Jewish?
Anonymous No.24794173
Ironically, Antifa flies the communist flag used by Jewish communists in 1930s Germany, who were all rounded up and killed by the Nazis after the Reichstag fire and the Nazis used the actions of the terrorist agitators to justify bringing in more authoritarian measures and a stronger police state

These idiots are flying the commie flag not realizing that they're making the same mistake as the idiots they're emulating and that they will accomplish nothing other than giving their enemy grounds to kill them and become even more authoritarian than they are now

Laura Loomer is on X screaming that the Trump admin should start shooting these commie agitators outright and others share the same sentiment. it won't be long now until the Trump admin truly puts the boot to the throat of anyone committing acts of terror or violence in the name of the opposition and things will rapid escalate from there. We may get our own gestapo after all
Anonymous No.24794177
Anonymous No.24794184
Che was a narcissist idealist terrible in armed combat and a huge pain in the ass liability annoyed the Castro bros to no end so they shipped him off to the Congo and may have even tipped off the USA about it and had him killed. He lived an interesting life none the less.
Anonymous No.24794185 >>24794196 >>24794216 >>24794543
>>24792165 (OP)
2 more weeks and
>the revolution will happen worldwide
>CCP will wither away
>everyone will be able to work in any job they personally want
>total freedom of expression
>money becomes meaningless to use
>secret police will be defunded
Trust the plan sisters.
Anonymous No.24794196 >>24794197 >>24794255
>>24794185
>money becomes meaningless to use
Most people use credit instead of cash nowadays.
>CCP will wither away
For Marx, the state withering away means that most of the state's role would be purely administrative. Even in China, the state doesn't spend most of its resources on jailing and oppressing people; it's managing infrastructure and paying benefits.
>the revolution will happen worldwide
Considering that all capitalist countries are highly bureaucratic and mostly mixed-market economies that regulate capitalism, Marx was correct. We've seen capitalism evolve from lacking universal healthcare, minimum wage laws, unemployment insurance, or even trade unions, and now these elements are integral to all developed countries.
By all means, Marx was correct.
Anonymous No.24794197 >>24794199
>>24794196
And what's credit?
Anonymous No.24794199 >>24794215
>>24794197
Credit is what people use to pay for things without paying for them with money.
Anonymous No.24794215 >>24794219 >>24794221
>>24794199
What's stored in your credit card?
Anonymous No.24794216
>>24794185
Leftroons actually believe this sham...
Anonymous No.24794219 >>24794220
>>24794215
Money that bank loaned you from society.
Anonymous No.24794220
>>24794219
So it's still cash then, got it. Keep on being retarded.
Anonymous No.24794221 >>24794227
>>24794215
I think you're struggling with this because you don't know the difference between a credit card and a debt card. You don't work, or pay bills, so that could explain why.
Anonymous No.24794227 >>24794231 >>24794236 >>24794270
>>24794221
Credit card is the MONEY that the bank gives you that you have to pay back with some interest, debit cards are connected to your bank account where your own MONEY is stored. In both of these cases, you spend fucking money. How does the use of credit cards mean that money is becoming meaningless rather than large amounts of money can be stored in a single tool?
Anonymous No.24794228
>>24792165 (OP)
multi decade violent repression by the cia
Anonymous No.24794231 >>24794237
>>24794227
No it isn't. Banks give out credit because they make money off interest. It's pretty clear you don't work or you would know that.
Anonymous No.24794233
>>24792165 (OP)
"DA HECKIN CIAAAAAA" is just the leftoid version of "DA JOOOOOOOOOZ", at some point in your life you'll realize that extremists are all delusional pricks with genocidal tendencies.
Anonymous No.24794235
>>24792584
>2 more weeks saaar
Anonymous No.24794236
>>24794227
Money is meaningless because the government can print it, and then use interest on the debt to encourage production. That's why central banks exist, retard. The value of money is not money itself, but the fact it abstracts labor time.
Anonymous No.24794237 >>24794245 >>24794270
>>24794231
>banks give money to make money
The money is still being used in the process of transaction. I don't think you got what I wanted to say.
Anonymous No.24794245
>>24794237
Not really, money merely abstracts labor time. Credit cards are used because physical money is no longer necessary because debt drives production. You don't own a credit card, and it's obviously, because you know credit cards rae for people who typically work because know they can reliably make interest off you . You don't work so you don't understand the process.
Anonymous No.24794255 >>24794270
>>24794196
>Even in China, the state doesn't spend most of its resources on jailing and oppressing people
Pretty sure you can't say anything against CCP and God Emperor Xi without getting jailed for at least 5 years.
Anonymous No.24794270 >>24794324 >>24795920
>>24794237
>>24794227
If people don't work, they can't produce goods or commodities. That's why credit cards are typically used by people who have jobs. As Marx noted, money exists to abstract labor time, as it only goes toward productive activity. Physical money is no longer necessary because capitalism has transformed it through financialization. Credit has replaced physical money, as central banks now print money endlessly.
If you were not retarded, you would understand why Marx specifically called for the nationalization of banks and the control of credit for very this very reason. Again, capitalism creates the preconditions for communism. Credit can be used to plan labor time, and capitalists do this all the time by determining to whom they loan credit. You should stop posting, and actually some books, because you come off as an uninformed mouth breathing idiot.
>>24794255
No country on planet Earth has complete freedom of expression. The freest country in the world, allegedly the U.S., is trying to jail people for burning the flag or protesting Israel's genocide.
Anonymous No.24794278
>>24792165 (OP)
Leftists trooned out.
Anonymous No.24794300
>>24792165 (OP)
People like to own things you know? I'm not giving out my property to a bunch of mentally ill queers.
Anonymous No.24794306
>>24792165 (OP)
Is this what dialectic materialism means
Anonymous No.24794324 >>24794768
>>24794270
>No country on planet Earth has complete freedom of expression.
Right, but socialist and authoritarian countries are especially egregious with their limited freedom of expression.
Anonymous No.24794543
>>24794185
I don't want those things I want to purge people I don't like by violent means and have peasants worship me
Anonymous No.24794554
>>24792165 (OP)
This is just normal 1960s thought process, nothing particularly communist about it.

communists in their capacity as communists don't tend to be so based.
Anonymous No.24794574
>>24794085
acp is a complete joke
Anonymous No.24794576
>>24793016
Jews have always been behind Marxism but after the successful revolutions they implemented idenity politics into Marxist theory in order to arrest the minds of the American people. America, as we all know, is a nation that worships blacks, immigrants, and fags, so easily digestible identity politics made Marxism much more tolerable to the average American, yet this form of Marxism was already a pale imitation to the original Marxism. And because America was the largest cultural exporter in the Western sphere post-WWII, this cultural Marxist posion was pushed onto the West, and quickly arrested journalists, academics, poltiicians, etc.
Anonymous No.24794616
>>24792720
The only tragedy is that he didn't kill all of them.
Anonymous No.24794624 >>24794765
>>24794133
Minimum wage was enacted in 1999, and salaries have been increasing at very high rates since 1900, fucking retard. Moreover, how many people do you think is affected by minimum wage? I answer it for you, a ridiculously low percentage of the population. Do you think that real salaries only increase due to minimum wage? Of course not, but that debunks your retarded marxist ideology.
Anonymous No.24794629 >>24795754
>>24792236
>>24792315
>>24792826
>>24793497
>>24794145
Anonymous No.24794664
>>24794114
>Do you think that a small politburo of fanatic revolutionaries can coordinate society better than a decentralised mass made of millions of people?
>Yes

Check the socialist economic calculation problem, both the formulation by Mises and Hayek. Essentially, it argues that socialist central planning is impossible because it destroys the necessary information to perform economic calculation. Information about scarcity is best known with prices, and prices are generated spontaneously by decentralised operations in the market. For example, if someone produces commodities to sell at X monthly rate and he runs out of them in just a week, he will increase prices so that he sells them in a whole month for a higher profit, and other agents in the market maybe observe that price increase and see an oportunity to produce the same commodity and earn money, thus lowering the price as supply increases.

When central planning is set, you block the agency of all those agents generating prices, you block this information exchange, you destroy information, and that very information is what the politburo needs to perform economic calculation. That's why central planning is always worse than free markets.

>but with AI it could be done

No, this isn't about solving very complex equations with Leontief matrices given certain information. The key issue is that the information is not given.
Anonymous No.24794706 >>24794712 >>24794777
>>24794126
>That doesn't change the logic of capital, retard. The fact of the matter is that competition always drives down wages, regardless, because the tendency for the profit to fall effects all firms since every firm has to compete to survive. And that only come from cutting down wages. More so, retard, most people can't switch their jobs due to age, location, their abilities and even family obligations. You've never had a job, so , there isn't anyway for you to understand this.

I repeat, real salaries have been consistently increasing, picrel of >>24794008
. Yes, capitalists will try to pay workers as low salaries as possible, but they can't lower salaries too much because then the workers will seek other companies to work at. And this, without central planning, drives salaries to increase as companies grow. Workers are not slaves, they have negotiation power even if unions didn't exist, by being able to leave the company. What do you think would happen with a company that pays much lower salaries than the average in the market for its industry? It would go broke in no time. What do you think happens when a company sets a price which is too high relative to similar products in the market and it isn't accompanied by a higher quality or marketing? They won't sell shit.

>Interest rates are high because because debt is high everywhere, retard. In fact, this is a consequence of the tendency for the profit to fall as borrowing is how companies stay profitable. You literally posting evidence re-affirming Marx's thesis because you're too to understand economics, lol. Bonds are held by banks, and banks can only make money off interest that comes from loans that are used for business investments.

You don't know basic economics. Public debt bonds are an ALTERNATIVE to investment in capital, because it is a safer investment. If capital is really giving less and less profits, what we should observe is an increasing in public debt bonds, which causes lowering interest rates (the state won't pay the same interest if more and more people demand bonds, because it would be unsustainable and default risk would increase a lot). Public debt bonds' interest rates are a proxy for profits rates of capitalism.

>bonds are held by banks

No, they aren't. I am talking about PUBLIC debt bonds, and those are held by the treasury of the state.
Anonymous No.24794712
>>24794706

>should observe is an increasing in public debt bonds
observe is an increasing demand in public debt bonds*
Anonymous No.24794765 >>24794775
>>24794624
>Minimum wage was enacted in 1999
That increase every couple of years, retard, as mandated by law. Again, you are a complete dumbass. You said NO minimum wages, and then use a country that increases their minimum wage every year. You are a dumbass.
Anonymous No.24794768
>>24794324
>Right, but socialist and authoritarian countries are especially egregious with their limited freedom of expression.
This the pot calling the kettle black. The United Kingdom arrests people for transphobic twitter posts.
Anonymous No.24794775 >>24794793
>>24794765
My graph shows a high rate increase in salaries before minimum wage was enacted. >>24794008

Explain that with your marxist theory.
Anonymous No.24794777 >>24794804
>>24794706
>I repeat, real salaries have been consistently increasing
This isn't true. Wages have been stagnate in the U.K. since 2008. You're just lying. The data does not support your hypothesis.
>You don't know basic economics. Public debt bonds are an ALTERNATIVE to investment in capital, because it is a safer investment.
No, they're not. Public bonds are government debt. You don't know what you're talking about. Most of Europe is going through a debt crisis because low profit rates. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. The data does not support your argument. You are clearly are stupid.
Anonymous No.24794793 >>24794814
>>24794775
But it doesn't. The grow shows wages increased a higher rate after minimum wage was enacted. You don't seen even know how slopes work. In 1990s, the United Kingdom had a economic recession. Again, this was because globalization lowered profit rates. You are historically illiterate.
Anonymous No.24794804 >>24794820 >>24794824
>>24794777
>This isn't true. Wages have been stagnate in the U.K. since 2008.

Yeah, after massive application of keynesian stimulus policies, kek. Explain why real salaries have increased in the UK under capitalism between 1800 and 2008 and without minimum wage laws until 1999. picrel >>24794008

>No, they're not. Public bonds are government debt. You don't know what you're talking about.

Investors diversify their assets depending of risk. Public debt bonds are generally consider a lower risk investment than variable rent of the stock market or dividends. If the profit rates of capital had been consistently decreasing, the demand for public debt bonds would have increased, and their interest rates would have decreased. Again, the state won't pay the same interest if more and more people demand bonds, because it would be unsustainable and default risk would increase a lot. But we haven't seen decreasing average interest rates in public debt bonds, as it is shown on picrel of >>24793176

It's a very simple argument. Tackle it or stfu.
Anonymous No.24794814 >>24794834
>>24794793
The slope increased in 1997, before the enactment of minimum wage law.
Anonymous No.24794820
>>24794804
depending on risk* are generally considered*
Anonymous No.24794824 >>24794872 >>24794911
>>24794804
>Yeah, after massive application of keynesian stimulus policies
Marx predicted, because globalization and technology have reduced profit margins. Keynesian economics is necessary because capitalism may collapse without measures that boost profits, such as consumer debt. This is an inherent flaw in capitalism, one that Marx identified, which capitalists may struggle to address.

You donโ€™t address what causes recessions because you would have to admit you're wrong. You focus on the effects of capitalism without addressing the underlying reasons for them. Marx explained these causes, and he was correct. The empirical data supports his conclusions and contradicts yours.
>Investors diversify their assets depending of risk. Public debt bonds are generally consider a lower risk investment than variable rent of the stock market or dividends.
Again, you are pivoting. Why don't you address the fact that countries like the UK have low profit rates and high public debt ratios? You keep discussing bonds but fail to recognize that government borrowing is neither natural nor sustainable. Nor do you explain why businesses need to borrow money from the government to sustain themselves instead of relying on profits.

Instead of avoiding reality, confront it. You can't, because doing so would lead you to the obvious contradiction: that low profit rates, which Marx predicted, correctly illustrate the end result of capitalism.
Anonymous No.24794834
>>24794814
Uh, retard, the minimum wage was enacted in 1998. Your graph shows a a lower rate of real wage growth before 1998. You don't even understand how slopes work in algebra .Real wages were stagnant before 1998. Your own graph show this.
Anonymous No.24794872 >>24794913 >>24794940 >>24794990 >>24795016
>>24794824
You still haven't tackled my argument about public debt bonds, which is the best proxy for changes in profit rates of the capital because you don't have to calculate anything, you just have to gather historical data, as I said before.

>You donโ€™t address what causes recessions because you would have to admit you're wrong.

The Austrian school has an explanation for the economic cycle regarding central banking. I remind you that the market is heavily statally intervened in the financial sector, which is financing ALL other industries in the real economy. Interest rates are probably the most important price in the economy and it is centrally planned by central banks, so even if the central bank is completely independent from the political power (it isn't, but let's suppose it), they can make mistakes and set artificially low interest rates, which will alter the risk perception of banks (as relatively higher interest rates indicate high risk for loans), which will then be willing to lend money to businesses to too many unprofitable businesses. When the market discovers that those businesses are, in fact, unprofitable, a massive withdrawal of funds occur, many businesses go broke and an account cleansing has to be performed, during which there is recession.

If central banks didn't exist, interest rates would be an unregulated price and private banks would develop methods to set on-point interest rates that don't overfund unprofitable businesses.

>Nor do you explain why businesses need to borrow money from the government to sustain themselves instead of relying on profits.

Not all companies do that. But there are many, indeed. MAYBE it has to do with the gargantuan taxes there are. They try to get back a fraction of them via subsidies.
Anonymous No.24794890
>>24792165 (OP)
The USSR collapsed, so there was no external support for Marxist-Leninist revolutionary parties. The Western version of Leftism has different points of emphasis, because it's more of a response to WW2 focused on trying to make sense of how something like Nazism was possible, and preventing it from happening again. Western countries are also wealthier and aren't facing issues like land reform, perceived need to catch up with Great Powers, independence from a colonial empire, industrialization, etc.

Remember, no Communist party has ever won a national election in the West, as far as I can remember. Maybe there is somewhere in Italy or France that I forgot about.
Anonymous No.24794893
>>24792165 (OP)
We had the Cold War, a global war where we experimented which system was better. One had famines, genocides, and a total lack of freedom. The other one produced everything you now use on a daily basis.
We literally had a world war over if right or left was better and the left side not only lost hard but was forced to turn into capitalism.
Anonymous No.24794911 >>24795016
>>24794824

This is a post-keynesian economist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldor%27s_facts

The fifth fact states "The rate of return on investment is roughly constant over long periods of time".

https://growthecon.com/feed/2019/12/04/Kaldor-Update.html

>An omission from my primary list of revised Kaldor facts is the stability of the rate of return on capital. And if you look at recent data associated with a paper by Jorda, Knoll, Kuvshinov, and Taylor, youโ€™ll find a lot of stability in the rate of return. Hereโ€™s a figure from the U.S., plotting five-year averages of the rates of return for three asset classes from 1890-2015. You get something similar for the other major developed countries in their dataset.
Anonymous No.24794912 >>24795554
Its fun reading about how Cuba was controlled and ran by the Jewish, Italian, and Cuban mafias before the revolution, and how said Mafioso's fled the country, giving the USA a bunch of criminal refugee degenerates, who then got CIA paramilitary training with aid of Jewish mobsters fixers, and numerous times try to overthrow/kill Castro on behalf of the (((USG))). Its even more funny the theory that one of these gangster-CIA cells turned around and killed the president.

Definitely shifted my perspective on the current Cuban regime once everything fell into place on this, and how American Cuban's need airdropped-deported over Havana and (((anti-communists))) are a bunch of brainwashed capital/kike bootlickers.
Anonymous No.24794913 >>24794931 >>24795016 >>24795018 >>24795038
>>24794872
Here are the facts.
Profitability rates in the U.K. have been declining since the 1950s, coinciding with a recession in 1990, and the profit rate graph aligns with these facts. Minimum wage laws were enacted because profitability rates were low, and real wages stagnated between 1990 and 1998, as your graph shows. Real wage stagnation ended, profit rates collapsed again in 2007, which is consistent with Marx's theory of the tendency of the profit rate to fall. Profits increased after 1990 because the United Kingdom borrowed money, leading to a significant rise in the country's debt, surpassing its GDP since 1990. This proves that the U.K. is no longer profitable and relies on debt to sustain itself. The money comes from bonds and the EU, but this borrowing has caused inflation and wage growth to stagnation. The United Kingdom struggles to generate profits for its firms due to stagnant population growth and outsourcing to countries like China, placing it in a situation secular stagnation that it cannot escape. All of this logic is consistent with the central theorem of Marx's Capital that profit rates under capitalism tend to fall due to decreasing constant capital and variable capital costs, forcing firms to lower wages through immigration or outsourcing.
All of these are empirical facts. You have no addressed a single one, or shown, why any of this incorrect.
Instead, you've stupidly shown you can not read graphs, or understand why a government would have low interest rates on public debt when its sustained on borrowing alone. You have not addressed ANY of these points. And you can't. And we both know why. You are wrong. There is no possible way you can refute these facts. They are visible to anyone.
>AUSTRIAN school
See, this is how I know you're a pseud. The Austrian school of economics doesn't even back up their claims with proof. They explicitly reject any evidence of empirical claims because they rely on only apriori claims, not evidence. It's all just pseudo-science and worthless conjecture. Even laughably, we see in Argentia, with Millei, the Austrians have been proven wrong, despite austerity, Argentina's economy has not recovered and Millei is on track to lose political. Again, you have completely ignorant on the topics you discuss, and observable reality refutes any arguments you make for now and forever.
Anonymous No.24794931 >>24794960
>>24794913
>All of these are empirical facts. You have no addressed a single one, or shown, why any of this incorrect.
>Instead, you've stupidly shown you can not read graphs, or understand why a government would have low interest rates on public debt when its sustained on borrowing alone. You have not addressed ANY of these points. And you can't. And we both know why. You are wrong. There is no possible way you can refute these facts. They are visible to anyone.
NTA, where does this lead? Collapse/revolution? Are western revolutions even possible at this point? At least on the American front, the ghouls running things seem to be preparing to enslave everyone than let that happen.
Anonymous No.24794940
>>24794872
>The Austrian school has an explanation for the economic cycle regarding central banking
You don't even understand why central banking exists. Central banking must exist because of the crises of overproduction that plague the capitalist mode of production. Before central banks, it was common for banks to fail because they made bad loans to companies that either made poor business decisions or overproduced goods they could not sell, leading them into bankruptcy and collapse. Consequently, banks would collapse because they loaned money to these firms, as banks only make money off interest. If banks collapse, businesses collapse, resulting in mass unemployment, just like we saw during the Great Depression.

This is all a result of the anarchy of the market. Marx and Engels correctly identified the source of crises under capitalism. Their theories are consistent with historical facts. This is why central banks in the UK and the United States emerged after these panics. It is an empirical fact of capitalism that cannot be avoided. This is also why banking fragmentation coincided with Great Depression in both countries. Again, Marx and Engels prove once again they are correct and your beliefs have no empirical weight or anything backing them in reality.
Anonymous No.24794960
>>24794931
>Collapse/revolution? Are western revolutions even possible at this point?
The current path is not sustainable, obviously and it is going to require an obvious violent revolution. As we saw in 1918 and 1930, it can go either way. It depends on who has political power and organization when the crisis of profitability hits again. With the rise of right wing populist parties, I don't see any left-wing alternative that will stop it. Liberals can't do anything because they're useless, leftists have no organization because they're too individualistic and can't fix problems. And Rightoids will just start wars because that's only logical alternative if you can't dig yourself out of a hole. You have to re-fertilize the soil with blood. It is not a coincidence the biggest war in history led to the highest profit rates in history.
Anonymous No.24794990
>>24794872
>You still haven't tackled my argument about public debt bonds, which is the best proxy for changes in profit rates of the capital because you don't have to calculate anything,
It was already addressed. You are pretty stupid, and don't realize why a government, like the U.K. would have low interest rates for debt, like bonds, when it can't boost profit rates through economic growth. You are so stupid, and ignoring the fact the UK is literally in a debt crisis because it can not boost profit rates anymore.
How dumb do you have to be to miss this point over and over again? It's bit obvious because you don't even know to read slopes on graphs so I doubt you have the intelligence to understand basic inductive logic.
Anonymous No.24795014 >>24795108
Even more so, Europe has negative interest rates because they are trapped into debt, and can't prop up their debt economies anymore. There's no profits anymore.
Anonymous No.24795016 >>24795071 >>24795108
>>24794913
All that decreasing profit rates data is babble. Profit rates are constant in the long term and Marx equation is false. See >>24794911

Your pic about debt as percentage of the GDP has to do with keynesian policies.

>But keynes is necessary to sustain capitalism

No, keynes is a patch to solve in the short term the problems produced by central banking, as explained in >>24794872. But you won't answer to it because you are unable to grasp theories from others schools of thought since marxist "economics" is the only thing you know.

>The Austrian school of economics doesn't even back up their claims with proof. They explicitly reject any evidence of empirical claims because they rely on only apriori claims, not evidence.

The Austrian school does not reject empirical evidence, they reject coming up with theories from empirical evidence. Their method is generally a priori but after the a priori intuitions are brought, they can be tested with data but while being very careful. The Austrian school rejects results in economics that pick a graph and say "SEEE?!! In 1945 Ireland potatoes got more expensive with an increase in supply, so the supply-demand law is false" because you can't isolate variables in economy, supply may had increased at a lower rate than demand, and you can't easily measure demand. I don't like Austrian school's praxeology that much but crass empiricism is even worse.

>or understand why a government would have low interest rates on public debt when its sustained on borrowing alone.

Don't make me laugh, you think that a government is able to maintain whatever interest rates they want? If demand of public debt bond increases, ANY sensible government decreases interest rates for those public debt bonds, because otherwise the default risk increases.

>Even laughably, we see in Argentia, with Millei, the Austrians have been proven wrong, despite austerity, Argentina's economy has not recovered and Millei is on track to lose political. Again, you have completely ignorant on the topics you discuss, and observable reality refutes any arguments you make for now and forever.

You are asking Milei to solve in two years the harm made by decades of irresponsible social democracy. Somehow, nobody cared about poverty rates when peronism was in office.

Yet, Milei has managed to control inflation and decrease poverty and severe poverty rates. GDP also increased a lot during the first year, these last two months it got worse because they were running out of dollars to stabilise the value of the peso (which peronism left in the verge of hyperinflation) and to tackle it they increased interest rates so that people demanded less dollars, which has led to economic contraction. Nonetheless, Milei's government has been largely net positive.
Anonymous No.24795018 >>24795083
>>24794913
Poverty rates in argentina are lower than prior to Milei.
Anonymous No.24795038 >>24795091
>>24794913
Argentina's GDP has grown under Milei's government, you can see that under Alberto Fernandez's government it was falling and after Milei it starts to grow. It has fallen a little lately because of what I explained in the other post

>these last two months it got worse because they were running out of dollars to stabilise the value of the peso (which peronism left in the verge of hyperinflation) and to tackle it they increased interest rates so that people demanded less dollars, which has led to economic contraction.

But it has been largely net positive, I insist.
Anonymous No.24795071
>>24795016
The rate of return is not the same as the profit rate, retard. You don't even know the difference.
The rate of profits with profits from actual businesses, not fictitious capital like stocks which is just speculation, not real wealth. Way to prove my point you're a pseud.
Anonymous No.24795083
>>24795018
Millei's economy is on the verge on collapse because his policies destroyed the peso, and he's on track to lose power. He approval rates have collapsed to 37%.
Anonymous No.24795091
>>24795038
Millei hasn't proved the economy. Most people living in Argentina say you are wrong
Anonymous No.24795108
>>24795016
>Don't make me laugh, you think that a government is able to maintain whatever interest rates they want?
You're a retard who confused rate of return with rate of profit because you don't even understand basic economics, so, of course you don't understand why interest rates in Europe >>24795014
are low for borrowing when their economies are stagnating.
>The Austrian school does not reject empirical evidence,
But they do. They literally say they do, LMAO. You literally lie about everything.
Anonymous No.24795138
>Austrian economist
>Doesn't know the rate of the return is not the same as the rate of profit.
This is really bad. This explains so much about why this whole conservation is going in circles. You don't even understand basic economic terms.
I've been arguing a with fucking retard.
Imagine being so confident in what you say when you don't even know the difference between the rate of profit and the rate of return on investments. Imagine being so retarded you don't know the difference between the costs of production and the a rate that measures the price of fucking stocks. This is embarrassing.
Anonymous No.24795150
>>24792165 (OP)
>>>/his/
Nothing to do with books.
Anonymous No.24795354
>>24792165 (OP)
What's the Caucasian obsession with work and progress? They have all the food, shelter and entertainment but they lack a soulful and fulfilling life which black tribes possess. That's why they are all miserable and no, those statistics claiming that Scandinavians countries are the happiest don't represent true happiness, they are just content but still miserable inside because they are a bunch of antisocial weirdos.
I'd rather have been born as a warrior in an African tribe where everyone knows and supports each other and feel like my work contributes directly to the prosperity of my community.
Anonymous No.24795357
ITT petersondrones getting cooked by statistics and facts
Anonymous No.24795360
>>24793315
Fake.
Anonymous No.24795408
>>24793315
>soviet tractor production figures
LMAO
Anonymous No.24795502 >>24795506
>>24792165 (OP)
Modern Leftism isn't counter-culture, it's establishment
Anonymous No.24795506 >>24795513
>>24795502
and which estsablishment today is marxist?
Anonymous No.24795513 >>24795528 >>24795814
>>24795506
Most of it?
The Universities are marxist
Most of the media is marxist
The entire entertainment industry is marxist
Even most of the judiciary system is marxist
Anonymous No.24795528
>>24795513
everything is marxist but somehow capitalism still prevails...

At "best" there's a good number of social fascists in those instututions, but that's it.
Anonymous No.24795533
Leftism is just spite
It's a movement based entirely on hatred for anything that's better than you
Anonymous No.24795554
>>24794912
Funny that based (((anti-commies))) have absolutely nothing to say on this while the thread is brewing with peak retardation. You either have to be a retard or have a brown grand pappy who was a gang banging criminal who got kicked out of their country by leftioids to participate in the hysterics in here.
Anonymous No.24795749
>unironically shilling Cuba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Cuba_blackouts
Anonymous No.24795754
>>24794629
>You have to be middle or upper class to be gay.
They aren't wrong.
Anonymous No.24795775
>>24792571
It's the same retarded talking point whether it comes from /pol/acks, latina NGK staffers, or center right pop-his youtube video consoomers such as yourself.
Anonymous No.24795810
Fuck communism. That is all.
Anonymous No.24795814 >>24795820
>>24795513
>The Universities are marxist
Richard Wolff has some talks where he mentions that Marxism is quite unsavory in academia today and that many smaller academics have to disguise their Marxist ideology to remain publishable. He only gets away with it because he graduated from someplace famous in a different era.

>Most of the media is marxist
I would say the media does a lot of work to downplay class differences in service of racial and gender distinctions. Take a movie like Green Book. It's not enough that there's a class distinction between driver and driven, they have to add onto it a racial dimension. It's as though class difference is never allowed to stand alone and especially not as the most primary of differences.

I think you're conflating Marxism with a variety of moderate left positions.
Anonymous No.24795820
>>24795814
It's dumbed down Marxism just like most things are dumbed down.
Anonymous No.24795838 >>24795865
>>24792222
It's weird how good it sounds though, ignorant to some and maybe insightful to others, either way it sparks conversation. My main conundrum is realizing that he wrote this shit in his 20's, along with so many other famous authors, and here I am in my 20's knowing I know nothing. No doubt smart people in their 20's are writing fantastic stuff, but a large part of it has to be some sort of posturing since most of us lack serious life experiences.
Anonymous No.24795865 >>24795892
>>24795838
They didn't exist in isolation. The environment around people back then encouraged reading and writing and it was probably commonplace to have your friends and family read things you wrote when growing up and vice versa. It's not your fault that society became retarded and inhospitable to anything that isn't tik tok slop and gooning.
Anonymous No.24795866 >>24795934
>>24792315
>they purged communists from public life and started teaching Ayn Rand in schools
The level of delusion required to be leftist is unimaginable. Totally mindraped.
Anonymous No.24795892
>>24795865
True. A lot more can be said about it, but it basically does boils down to that. Still, I can't help but pause every now and then and second guess whatever brilliant shit some 20-something year old wrote back decades or even centuries ago-- stuff we sometimes take at face value simply because it's been canonized.
Anonymous No.24795898
>>24792165 (OP)
They happened.
Anonymous No.24795907
>>24792571
They're easily confused outside of their echochambers.
Anonymous No.24795920
>>24794270
>money exists to abstract labor time,
Anonymous No.24795934
>>24795866
IThe red scare happened and the reaganite neocon cabal pushed Rand into schools to make kids retarded. They're in power now and running the same playbook to force PragerU videos into schools and to make it illegal to criticize pedophiles like Alan Dershowitz and Donald Trump.
Anonymous No.24795948
>>24793296
>>24793298
This is sadly true. If you want to read Marx, read Marx. If you want to understand Marx, don't read Marx, read every single philosopher besides him... Otherwise you'd end up as that faggot that got into philosophy by being a commie and it will be like your edgy teenager phase that you have supposedly outgrown. I mean, it still will be, but you won't have to justify your retardation by age alone.