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Anonymous No.24792874 >>24792888 >>24792889 >>24792899 >>24792900 >>24792906 >>24792918 >>24792957 >>24792991 >>24793162 >>24793481 >>24793486 >>24793631 >>24793688 >>24793762 >>24793827 >>24793863 >>24793880 >>24793950 >>24794132 >>24794345 >>24794680 >>24795414 >>24796243 >>24796543 >>24796577 >>24797068 >>24797280 >>24797307 >>24797344 >>24797363 >>24797718 >>24798322 >>24799081 >>24799127 >>24799327 >>24799625 >>24799781 >>24800477 >>24800603 >>24800913 >>24800945 >>24801014 >>24801874
Why hasn’t a woman written a masterpiece? Nothing they have written can really be compared to Joyce or Shakespeare or Cervantes. I always chuckle when holes try to compare Middlemarch to Paradise Lost as if they are even in the same ballpark.
Anonymous No.24792888
>>24792874 (OP)
Charlie Bone was dope and a woman wrote it
Anonymous No.24792889
>>24792874 (OP)
Have you ever met a woman? If you have the first thing that stands out about their character is that they're incredibly dumb.
Anonymous No.24792893 >>24792896 >>24793945 >>24794337 >>24794347 >>24795366 >>24797070 >>24797307 >>24798295 >>24799631 >>24799796
There are more women who have read Jane Austen than have read Cervantes. For all the posturing by men about pretentious shit like James Joyce and intertextuality, the reality is that most men don't read because they're too busy playing video games and the majority of men who do read probably read to impress women. If you're one of the very few men who read for your own pleasure you're probably not the kind to be seething about how much better men are at reading than women, so fuck off and go play Anime Titty Games 4, faggot.
Anonymous No.24792896 >>24792908 >>24792916
>>24792893
>reee you’re an incel gamer
You can tell a hole wrote this post because it doesn’t engage with the OP at all.
Anonymous No.24792899 >>24793001
>>24792874 (OP)
They have written masterpieces. Just nothing Joyce-level.
Anonymous No.24792900 >>24792915
>>24792874 (OP)
Middlemarch is a masterpiece, shithead
Anonymous No.24792906 >>24793558 >>24794680
>>24792874 (OP)
is Kristin Lavransdatter a masterpiece? I havent read it but she got a nobel prize and whatever country shes from put her on their money, most importantly she was very cute when she was young
Anonymous No.24792908
>>24792896
They're so dumb bro.
Anonymous No.24792915
>>24792900
You've never read Genji.
Anonymous No.24792916 >>24792924 >>24792930 >>24792934 >>24792977 >>24793576
>>24792896
It's a fact that women read much more than men. Saying that women haven't written a classic is stupid because it's the minority of men who do read congratulating an even smaller minority of men who write on their awesome man writing. Meanwhile, women are reading and writing books are a much greater rate. I don't think you're capable of even understanding this point because you're a cumbrain retard.
Anonymous No.24792918 >>24797584
>>24792874 (OP)
>Why hasn’t a woman written a masterpiece?
Tolstoy was a woman.
Anonymous No.24792924 >>24792937
>>24792916
Toots, you need to get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Tell me what living female author you’re referring to that wrote anything close to Mason and Dixon?
Anonymous No.24792930 >>24797307
>>24792916
>Meanwhile, women are reading and writing books are a much greater
Yeah but they're all dumb.
Anonymous No.24792934 >>24792940 >>24792943 >>24797389
>>24792916
how come women were writing all these books back in the day but nobody is still talking about any of them, why do they lack staying power?
Anonymous No.24792937 >>24792942 >>24792944
>>24792924
Mason and Dixon is shit and Thomas Pynchon is woke, faggot.
Anonymous No.24792940
>>24792934
They're dumb. Women don't want to engage with this point because they're just smart enough to know they can't win.
Anonymous No.24792942
>>24792937
Extra mayo on the sandwich hon
Anonymous No.24792943 >>24792950 >>24792982
>>24792934
What are you on about? There's loads of study that happens about historic female authors in academia. Do you just mean they aren't one of the 4 male authors that get spammed on /lit/ constantly? lmfao
Anonymous No.24792944
>>24792937
>Thomas Pynchon is woke
based
Anonymous No.24792946 >>24802397
men: what if I rendered into iambic pentameter a poem about the timeless struggle of good vs evil
women: what if a billionaire werewolf pirate kept an average looking personalityless woman as a sex slave and even though he could have any women he chose her and he violently raped her but in a good way
Anonymous No.24792950 >>24792964 >>24793565
>>24792943
There’s loads of academic studies on African authors too. Doesn’t mean they have written anything close to a masterpiece. DEI universities have to do that anyways or the communist governors will cut their funding.
Anonymous No.24792957 >>24792970
>>24792874 (OP)
Pride and Prejudice is widely considered a masterpiece. If your criteria for masterpiece is "Shakespeare", then Joyce or Cervantes haven't written one either. If it's just your personal opinion, it's as worthless as the ones you attempt to ridicule.
Anonymous No.24792964 >>24792969
>>24792950
If your definition of a masterpiece is ''I like it'' and you only like things that were written are based and redpilled according to your definition, yeah, obviously no woman has written a masterpiece, but you're a faggot gamer cumbrain and nobody cares. It doesn't change that women write and read as well as attempt academia at a higher rate than men do. All you have is stubbornness that asserts men are the best like a 12 year old boy in a playground. All the facts are against you.
Anonymous No.24792969 >>24792976
>>24792964
>attempt academia
Nice Freudian slip. I’m sure plenty of women attempt to write things, sounds like we both know they aren’t successful which is why you can’t point to anything worthwhile written by a woman ever, let alone the past 50 years.
Anonymous No.24792970 >>24793067
>>24792957
the only masterpieces in world literature are hamlet and faust
Anonymous No.24792976 >>24792988 >>24792993
>>24792969
>says women can't engage with the point
>doesn't engage with the point
ah yes, a tranny cumbrain
Anonymous No.24792977 >>24796698 >>24797081 >>24797307
>>24792916
>It's a fact that women read much more than men
Women read mostly porn; they're porn addicts.
https://youtu.be/ffvRhsViyIQ
>writing books are a much greater rate
Prose quality is at an all time low.
https://youtu.be/8ynCVmw5AWk
Anonymous No.24792980 >>24792987 >>24793017 >>24793047 >>24793083 >>24800777
The male vs female IQ distribution samples not only serve as a representation of the fundamental difference between men and women, but also as a reliable analogy for pretty much every single field of human thought and skill.

Women always occupy the middle ground of being acceptably competent.

Men occupy the extremes. They are more often than not either absolutely terrible, or exceptionally brilliant at everything.

A woman can be good at something, but she will never reach the ranks of a 0.1% male at the top of his craft.

There will never be a female Tolstoy. There will never be a female Edward Witten.
Anonymous No.24792982
>>24792943
>There's loads of study that happens about historic female authors in academia
ESL or just retarded?
Anonymous No.24792987 >>24792995
>>24792980
There will also never be a woman who makes threads as shit as this one.
Anonymous No.24792988
>>24792976
>tranny cumbrain
Are you mad that George Eliot was a repressed trans man and the greatest literary work a “woman” has ever written still required a touch of the male?
Anonymous No.24792991
>>24792874 (OP)
>Why hasn’t a woman written a masterpiece?
The one who wrote Legacy of Kain.
Anonymous No.24792993
>>24792976
Lol
Anonymous No.24792995 >>24793011
>>24792987
Are you assuming OP's gender?
Anonymous No.24793000 >>24793003 >>24793005 >>24794368 >>24795632
>Why hasn’t a woman written a masterpiece?
Anonymous No.24793001 >>24793003 >>24793005 >>24793064 >>24799618
>>24792899
Virginia Woolf is better than Joyce
Anonymous No.24793003 >>24793008 >>24793081
>>24793000
>>24793001
>hive mind
Anonymous No.24793005 >>24793081
>>24793000
>>24793001
The world needs god, desperately.
Anonymous No.24793008 >>24793081
>>24793003
The retardation is spreading. We must lock down the thread.
Anonymous No.24793011
>>24792995
Yes, the OP is a tranny who hates women because he was born a male and to excuse his own mediocrity he bashes them, wishing he was born a woman so his failures as a man wouldn't be so bad.
Anonymous No.24793017 >>24793028 >>24793040 >>24794633
>>24792980
>A woman can be good at something, but she will never reach the ranks of a 0.1% male at the top of his craft. There will never be a female Tolstoy. There will never be a female Edward Witten
Yeah, men were destined for greatness or shame. Women were destined for mediocrity
Anonymous No.24793028 >>24793040 >>24793220
>>24793017
source on the bloom pic?
Anonymous No.24793040 >>24793220
>>24793017
>>24793028
Fags are gross and without oppression the 0.00001% who could produce art are too busy spreading parasites on grinder.
Anonymous No.24793042
The problem with women - besides being dumb, which they continue to refuse to engage with, by the way - is that they are completely opposed to truth. Their nature and everything they do is centered around lies and deception.
Anonymous No.24793047 >>24793093 >>24795039
>>24792980
Middlemarch is better than Anna Karenina
Anonymous No.24793064 >>24793081 >>24793495
>>24793001
No, she wasn't. In fact, she was seething about Joyce so bad to the point she started making racist remarks about him being Irish.
Anonymous No.24793067
>>24792970
Both supremely overrated
Anonymous No.24793081 >>24794421
>>24793003
>>24793005
>>24793008
>>24793064
none of you have read her.
Anonymous No.24793083 >>24793085 >>24793116
>>24792980
I see no reason to believe that literary skill is analogous to mathematical problem solving. If your argument were correct then we should expect those with the highest IQs to be the best writers and vice versa but there's little evidence of that.
Anonymous No.24793085
>>24793083
that's because being good at math requires autistic dedication to it to the detriment of everything else
Anonymous No.24793093
>>24793047
The First Circle mogs both.
Anonymous No.24793094 >>24793096 >>24793103 >>24794356 >>24796158 >>24802403
There is the whole IQ bell curve argument (men being the most retarded and the most genius), but I don't think that gets to the heart of things. On a sociological level, they are also less incentivized towards greatness i.e. a “great woman" is not valued as much as a "great man". But this still lacks explanatory power.

Women are overly socialized. They are by nature communalistic and consensus-driven. This means that originality is much less likely from a woman. And even the great works written by women (Middlemarch, Virginia Woolf’s works, Jane Austen) are more or less derivative. They are good students, but usually that is all. This is also partly why MFA literature is dominated by women. The most talented women will go to all the right institutions, incorporate all the "right" technique, but never innovate beyond this, nor think critically about the world in a truly original way. Their philosophy is always mediated and tempered by what consensus and broader society tells them it should be, by nature of their sex, which possesses a weaker and more cowardly spirit. As a result, women lack true individuality, and therefore their work lacks the originality of perspective required of greatness.

Beyond this, women are fundamentally carnal creatures. Men have a carnal side as well, but they also possess a duality inside them (spirit and body), and have the ability to suppress their carnality in favor of a higher ideal. By contrast, women in their being are ruled by their emotions and sexuality, and therefore lack a true sense of morality, therefore possessing a fundamentally Jewish character. Women cannot know Platonic love, only the fleeting feeling of romantic love. They cannot know the love of an absolute ideal, which is a crucial component of genius.
Anonymous No.24793096
>>24793094
>therefore possessing a fundamentally Jewish character
You lost me here chief
Anonymous No.24793103
>>24793094
>therefore possessing a fundamentally Jewish character

You gave away the satire too easily there bro.
Anonymous No.24793114 >>24793126
Women don't have the intelligence to be great writers like William Faulkner, George Eliot, or Charles Dickens.
Anonymous No.24793116
>>24793083
>literary skill is analogous to mathematical problem solving

I didn't say that. I said the IQ distribution differences between the sexes are analogous to other fields of human knowledge and skill. Women occupy the middle ground, men occupy the extremes.
Anonymous No.24793126 >>24793128 >>24793133 >>24793139 >>24793140
>>24793114
>george eliot
Totally not a tranny and definitely a real woman btw
Anonymous No.24793128 >>24793155
>>24793126
>ugly women don't exist! it's all men!
Anonymous No.24793133 >>24793139
>>24793126
By the way, you know that whole theory about how historical portrait painters would portray their subjects as far more attractive than they really are?

Her wikipedia page confirms this theory as unequivocally, undeniably true.

Look at the fucking difference between her portrait and her photograph.
Anonymous No.24793139 >>24793151
>>24793126
>>24793133
That's a man
Anonymous No.24793140
>>24793126
looks like your typical angloid woman
Anonymous No.24793151
>>24793139
nah, just an average english rose. you know the joke about why the english became good sailors? it's all true
Anonymous No.24793155
>>24793128
He has a 5 oclock shadow and prominent Adam’s apple lol what is this cope and trans erasure
Anonymous No.24793162
>>24792874 (OP)
Ayn Rand is probably the closest, though calling anything that she wrote "a masterpiece" is a bit of a stretch
Anonymous No.24793171 >>24793179 >>24793186
can't believe no one ITT has mentioned Mary Shelley yet

you retards don't actually read lmao
Anonymous No.24793179 >>24793193
>>24793171
We are talking about masterpieces not 3rd rate mediocrity. What has she written that compares to Ulysses?
Anonymous No.24793186 >>24793198 >>24793608
>>24793171
Everybody knows Percy wrote Frankenstein.
Anonymous No.24793193 >>24793404
>>24793179
Mary Shelley essentially invented science fiction by writing Frankenstein

you haven't read Ulysses all the way through, so please stop malding about it
Anonymous No.24793198 >>24793206 >>24793608
>>24793186
No, he didn't. He was the editor.
Anonymous No.24793206
>>24793198
Sure, if you think editing means rewriting the entire book to not be about getting raped by an inhuman monster.
Anonymous No.24793220
>>24793028
https://youtu.be/VcZbZ36qh4U?si=hE77Fr9sYLYCe1xm
>>24793040
You're talking about party-gays, who oftentimes are traumatized by religious fanatics
Anonymous No.24793404
>>24793193
As much as Aldiss is a great writer I despise him for introducing this faggot notion to the world
Anonymous No.24793481
>>24792874 (OP)
Nice tits
Anonymous No.24793486 >>24793517
>>24792874 (OP)
read woolf retard
Anonymous No.24793495
>>24793064
>racist remarks
>about him being Irish
Lmao
Anonymous No.24793517
>>24793486
That dogface bitch Virginia Woof was just Leonard in drag prove me wrong (you can't)
Anonymous No.24793558
>>24792906
Norwegian.
Coincidentally, the aunt of Rollo and Gorm the Old of Denmark (Gorm = alias of Tore "Teiande" of Norway, Rollos brother) is the only known female author of the OG surviving Norse sagas.
Anonymous No.24793565 >>24793567 >>24793568
>>24792950
>communist governors
you just might be the most retarded person in the entire thread.
Anonymous No.24793567
>>24793565
Hey, he's not a woman.
Anonymous No.24793568 >>24793571
>>24793565
How do you think the CCP is organized
Anonymous No.24793571 >>24793574
>>24793568
what does the CCP have to do with amerikan universities?
Anonymous No.24793574 >>24793575
>>24793571
>he doesn’t know
Anonymous No.24793575 >>24793577
>>24793574
lol. but still china has absolutely nothing to do with communism. its just as capitalistic as amerika
Anonymous No.24793576 >>24793878
>>24792916
>It's a fact that women read much more than men.
They read porn. For their vagina tingles. That's like bragging that men are better film enjoyers because they watch porn, or consume more visual art because they read hentai manga.
Anonymous No.24793577 >>24793581
>>24793575
>real communism has never been tried
Oh boy...
Anonymous No.24793581 >>24793595
>>24793577
that's a complete non sequitur lmao. china was socialist up to '76. maybe actually read something before making retarded posts.
Anonymous No.24793595 >>24793604 >>24793614
>>24793581
Here we go again...
Anonymous No.24793604 >>24793619
>>24793595
Wrong one
Anonymous No.24793608 >>24794344 >>24794454
>>24793186
This.
>>24793198
There's a guy who spent decades studying Frankenstein. Originally he aggressively defended against any idea Percy had a major role in writing the book but he came around like 20 years ago and begrudgingly admitted Percy's contributions were substantial.
Anonymous No.24793614 >>24793643
>>24793595
"Not real communism" faggots are the most intellectually stunted midwits imaginable. They make people with TDS look smart by comparison.
Anonymous No.24793619 >>24793633
>>24793604
and what does that have to do with chinese revisionism?
Anonymous No.24793631
>>24792874 (OP)
>pic

Memes aside, IQ is not a real factor in the strength of a novelist, being too intelligent can even be a hindrance. And a masterpiece is anything the majority believes it to be, therefore there have been many masterpieces written by women. Who cares anyway, art is about expression and soul, not autistic comptetition.
Anonymous No.24793633 >>24793639
>>24793619
Anonymous No.24793639 >>24793645
>>24793633
again, what does this have to do with the current day revisionism of the CCP? I get that you haven't read Marx, let alone Mao, but still...
Anonymous No.24793643 >>24793720
>>24793614
Not that guy but it's true the US has been actively sabotaging attempts at communism since the 50s, Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba. The only countries who haven't been successfully bullied into capitalist submission have been countries with nukes like China and North Korea.

Side tangent: get nukes and keep them. If Ukraine didn't forfeit their nuclear weapons in a deal with the US they wouldn't be in their current mess. Mutually assurred destruction is the only thing that keeps imperialist niggers in line.
Anonymous No.24793645 >>24793647
>>24793639
Anonymous No.24793647 >>24793654
>>24793645
read marx, not wikipedia...
Anonymous No.24793654 >>24793660
>>24793647
>right back to real communism has never been tried
Wikipedia is full of Marxist editors, but surely they and all communist countries are wrong and you are right.
Anonymous No.24793660 >>24793666
>>24793654
not everyone who proclaims themselves marxist is marxist, you retard. do you even know what revisionism means? fucking hell, what has lit turned into...
Anonymous No.24793666 >>24793669
>>24793660
>no true scotsman
Of coouuuuurrrssseeee. Naturally where this was going.
Anonymous No.24793669 >>24793674
>>24793666
oh well. my fault for expecting a mutt to understand anything.
Anonymous No.24793674
>>24793669
Non-sequitor.
Anonymous No.24793683 >>24793685
>fallacy andy
brown
Anonymous No.24793685
>>24793683
He would break his hand if he tried to punch me with that
Anonymous No.24793688
>>24792874 (OP)
Where did she get those
Anonymous No.24793720 >>24793736 >>24793908
>>24793643
>These poor innocent communist totalitarian dictatorships were just going about their own business building utopias and the mean old USA ruined everything!
Fuck you people are retards.
Anonymous No.24793721
Middlemarch is pretty good op
Anonymous No.24793736 >>24793842
>>24793720
Salvador Allende, notorious dictator.
Anonymous No.24793762 >>24793769 >>24793909
>>24792874 (OP)
Blackpill: most books “written” by men were written by their wives and just published by the men. Most males are functionally illiterate for deep-seated neurological reasons.
Anonymous No.24793769
>>24793762
Get a load of this hole
Anonymous No.24793827
>>24792874 (OP)
Read Willa Cather
Anonymous No.24793842
>>24793736
Seeing as the commies in his coalition wanted to take over parliament and establish a dictatorship I'd say he was nipped in the bud.
>NOOOOOO, THE SOCIALIST UTOPIA IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THIS TIME I SWEAR
Fuck off, retard.
Anonymous No.24793863 >>24796665
>>24792874 (OP)
why hasn’t an ovum ever outrun a sperm cell?
woman is the form everything moves toward.
there would be no masterpieces if there weren’t any women either. all true poetry is matriarchal in origin. the most venerated poem in the west, the iliad, starts off ‘sing to me, o goddess.’
Anonymous No.24793878
>>24793576
For example, the current NYT bestseller is yet another tome of romantasy slop. This one is about a girl kidnapped, imprisoned, and raped by a necromancer until she develops stockholm syndrome and falls in love with him.
The publishing industry is just a bunch of female authors and readers gooning to 600+ page rape fantasies.
Anonymous No.24793880
>>24792874 (OP)
you must be new like new new this has been a flannery o'connor board since forever
Anonymous No.24793908 >>24793911
>>24793720
history is written by the victors indeed
Anonymous No.24793909
>>24793762
Impossible, a woman would never be so selfless and generous to a man.
Anonymous No.24793911 >>24793912
>>24793908
>my entire understanding of history can be expressed by a cliche
Yep. You guys are retards.
Anonymous No.24793912 >>24793935
>>24793911
>maybe if i say retard over and over people will think I'm correct
retard
Anonymous No.24793935 >>24793939
>>24793912
The rationale for calling you a retard was in the greentext, retard.
Anonymous No.24793939 >>24793942
>>24793935
You are fat and brown, retard.
Anonymous No.24793942 >>24794240
>>24793939
>can't think of an original insult and has to go with brown/fat
Lol, retard.
Anonymous No.24793945 >>24794343
>>24792893
I love women don't get me wrong, but I think objectively speaking they are far, far more likely to only read contemporary fiction. The literary canon consists almost entirely of male authors so naturally they feel alienated. In consequence they are less inclined to read works of fiction that are aesthetically, philosophically edifying, that are so good that they continue to be relevant and enjoyed by readers generation after generation. This to me seems like a fairly uncontroversial observation.
/co/nspirator No.24793950
>>24792874 (OP)
Too busy getting their tits sucked by (You)r trully.
Anonymous No.24794132 >>24796266
>>24792874 (OP)
you almost had me there
Anonymous No.24794240
>>24793942
sez u, retard
Anonymous No.24794337
>>24792893
This anon is right
Anonymous No.24794343
>>24793945
Maybe if you self select for readers first. Male readers are more likely to read the canon because men are generally more interested in being impressive, building their resume, etc. Not saying all canon readers are like this, but a good many are.
Men are so unlikely to read though that your average woman is more likely to read classics than your average man, especially if you include stuff like Austen and the Brontes.
Anonymous No.24794344 >>24794424
>>24793608
Kek, I asked my Romantics professor about this once and he instantly knew who I was talking about. He said the sperg goes to every conference and submits to every magazine trying to convince all the others, but they mainly ignore his schizo ramblings. My professor said that the common belief is that Percy probably helped edit the book, but it was largely written by Mary
Anonymous No.24794345 >>24794352 >>24794353
>>24792874 (OP)
A woman wrote the most popular and influential series of novels ever. More people enjoy Rowling than Joyce and Shakespeare and Cervantes combined. Popularity is the only true measure of objective quality. Anything else is appeal to authority cope.
Anonymous No.24794347
>>24792893
I don't think men read to impress women. I think they read to impress other men. Stuff like the /lit/ 100 is basically just a way of keeping score.
Anonymous No.24794352
>>24794345
>Popularity is the only true measure of objective quality.
>Anything else is appeal to authority cope.
That's literally an appeal to authority cope.
Anonymous No.24794353
>>24794345
Have you read James Whitcomb Riley?
Anonymous No.24794356
>>24793094
>t. Otto Anoninger
Anonymous No.24794368
>>24793000
Literally the most overrated writer in the history of writing. A spoiled, self-centered retard.
Anonymous No.24794421
>>24793081
I've read To the Lighthouse, Orlando, The Waves, and Between the Acts. The only one I thought was overrated was Orlando but it had its moments.
Anonymous No.24794424 >>24794431
>>24794344
Cool but the guy was widely respected until he said Percy had contributed substantially to Frankenstein and he still minimizes it as much as he can. Either you're lying, your professor is retarded, or it's a different guy.
Anonymous No.24794431 >>24794440
>>24794424
I've had this exact conversation on this website before, and I remember taking away that you might just be that guy. If that's the case, they're never gonna invest in your ramblings bro
Anonymous No.24794440 >>24794487
>>24794431
>I've made the same appeal to authority and been called out by multiple anons
Sucks to be you.
Anonymous No.24794454 >>24794476
>>24793608
who’s the guy
Anonymous No.24794476 >>24794483
>>24794454
Can't remember. He published an edition of Frankenstein around 2010 that highlighted Percy's contributions and feminists had a meltie.
Anonymous No.24794483 >>24794513
>>24794476
not charles e robinson? he never said percy’s contributions were ‘substantial.’ he said his role was that of literary editor and stylistic advisor, not a co-writer.
Anonymous No.24794487 >>24794513
>>24794440
No shot. Are the the anon that goes from thread to thread pointing out the sama fallacy incorrectly, too? Holy shit, how many conversations have we had? Also kek at you claiming appeal to authority when the initial argument was based on some scholar spend "decades" studying to come to some conclusion and that was the only evidence provided. This board man
Anonymous No.24794513 >>24794522 >>24794569
>>24794483
If that's all he said the fact that saying it set off a shit storm of seethe should clue you in to embedded biases, anon.
>>24794487
>pointing out the sama fallacy incorrectly, too
Again, not me. You need to take a break from this website, bud.
>Also kek at you claiming appeal to authority
I noticed I should have said "anecdotal appeal to authority" right after I posted but I didn't think you'd be enough of a faggot to cry about it.

Get a life, bro.
Anonymous No.24794522 >>24794538
>>24794513
the fact that you’ve apparently cited this story a few times but never cared to remember the scholar’s name is telling. starting to wonder you really care about evidence or some personal agenda.
Anonymous No.24794538 >>24794671
>>24794522
>the fact that you’ve apparently cited this story a few times
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you samefagging or something?
>never cared to remember the scholar’s name
I'm posting on 4chan. I'm not writing an essay on the authorship or Frankenstein you pretentious pseud.
>telling
Ah, you were setting up a "no you". Lol.
>starting to wonder you really care about evidence or some personal agenda
You're projecting an awful lot to the point it's pretty creepy. This is probably why you've been friendzoned by every girl you've ever been attracted to, if they even let you get that close, despite the fact you anonymously defend Mary Shelley's reputation as if you're an esteemed expert.

Again: get a life.
Anonymous No.24794539 >>24794551 >>24795392
They keep laughing at me and won't take me seriously.
Anonymous No.24794551 >>24795392
>>24794539
You should go after girls like the sneaky link one. She isn't the prettiest of the bunch but she gives off pick me vibes and the hair flip indicates she's probably has some moves.
Anonymous No.24794559
Women just don't live the same lives men do. There was a point over the last century where a great female work was possible because women were not being as gamed by modernity as they now are, so they could actually hone their skill decently. Now, women are encouraged to be incredibly stupid, anxious, etc. But men are too. It's just awful
Anonymous No.24794569 >>24794579
>>24794513
>the autistic greentext point-by-point reply to an at-arms-length putdown
why are you lashing out eh?
just saying you didn’t remember dates or names - it shines a light on whether you’re interested in facts at all.
Anonymous No.24794579 >>24794589
>>24794569
>why are you lashing out eh?
I'm making fun of you for being a fag who's carrying around arguments he's had on this website.
>just saying you didn’t remember dates or names
So? Do you expect everyone to be as dishonest as you obviously are and consult Wikipedia in order to gain your level of pseudery?
>it shines a light on whether you’re interested in facts
Not really but this conversation sure "shines a light" on the fact you're a disingenuous fag who lives online.
Anonymous No.24794589 >>24794631
>>24794579
anyone who’s interested enough to question the authorship of a novel, i probably would expect to check, yeah.
i’m sure this won’t get far with someone as fighting-mad as you but this is my first time talking about frankenstein on this website. a lot of ad hominem for someone who recently cried appeal to authority fallacy.
Anonymous No.24794631 >>24794641
>>24794589
>y-you didn't know a name and a date
And you looked it up on Wikipedia in order to feign intelligence.
>people who make fun of me are just mad
Awwww, did your mom tell you that to help you cope with the bullying? How long did it take them to realize you were never going to have a social life anyway so they might as well home school you? Lol.
Anonymous No.24794633 >>24795031
>>24793017
>Yeah, men were destined for greatness or shame. Women were destined for mediocrity
Why are so many men just mediocre then?
Anonymous No.24794641 >>24794673
>>24794631
take a mental step back and reread our interaction. would like to see an otherwise sensible person say it’s me who’s upset.
>You’re projecting an awful lot
> help you cope with the bullying? How long did it take them to realize you were never going to have a social life anyway so they might as well home school you?
you couldn’t write it.
Anonymous No.24794671
>>24794538
>projecting
>This is probably why you've been friendzoned by every girl you've ever been attracted to
Anonymous No.24794673 >>24794686 >>24794688
>>24794641
From only a few posts I was able to tell you're a retarded loser who lives his life online. The first clue was your admission that you carry around arguments you've had with random anons as if they're life events. The second clue was the obvious samefagging. The third clue was your pretense that we're writing research essays and not simply posting online. The fourth clue was your continued attempt to disingenuously shift from the subject of conversation to hold on to a gotcha that isn't actually a gotcha.

So yes, anon. In only a few short posts anyone can tell you're a retarded loser who lives his life online and that your primary source of self-esteem is imagining you're winning arguments with strangers who are actually laughing at you.
Anonymous No.24794680
>>24792874 (OP)
Lady Murasaki's "Genji Monogatari" is considered a masterpiece.

>>24792906
I think so. It is criminally underrated. Undset is IMO the best Catholic author of the last century.
Anonymous No.24794686 >>24794695
>>24794673
Kek, you're replying to multiple people, one of them me
Anonymous No.24794688 >>24794695
>>24794673
this is my first reply
i did see that other anon accuse you of being some other anon. but you’re also playing that same card here, aren’t you?
Anonymous No.24794695 >>24794720
>>24794686
Yeah, don't believe you and even if I'm wrong about the samefagging there's still the other points.
>>24794688
Yeah,still don't believe you. All indications point to you being the type of loser who would use his phone and a computer to pretend to be 2 different people.
Anonymous No.24794720 >>24794726
>>24794695
did you stop to think that this would just make you look stupider to me if it wasn’t true?
either way my point was you’re guilty of the exact same charge you’re pushing
Anonymous No.24794726 >>24794735
>>24794720
>did you stop to think that this would just make you look stupider to me if it wasn’t true
I figured you'd probably get hung up on it and I could make fun of you either way, lol. Also: other points. Doesn't really make a difference if I'm mocking 2 retards or just one.
Anonymous No.24794727
Women are vapid whores
Anonymous No.24794735 >>24794743
>>24794726
am i hung up? feel like i’ve been pulling punches.
& is it that fun if you don’t take into account the other persons angle though? i only thought you were a regular 4chan chud but now it looks more like i’m talking to a bona fide diagnosed autist.
Anonymous No.24794743 >>24794751
>>24794735
>am i hung up?
Definitely. Like I said, I figured you'd get really hung up on being called a samefag. You turned a trivial conversation about Frankenstein into a weird pseudo-debate that only served to prove you're both an idiot and a loser.
Anonymous No.24794751 >>24794761
>>24794743
can you point to where i did that exactly?
Anonymous No.24794761 >>24794764
>>24794751
>exactly?
Lol, fag.
Anonymous No.24794764 >>24794766
>>24794761
and that is that.
Anonymous No.24794766 >>24794790
>>24794764
I already pointed out to you, anon. You're an idiot and you post like a fag. Simple as.
Anonymous No.24794790 >>24794850
>>24794766
omg, both of you stfu
Anonymous No.24794850
>>24794790
who tf is this guy now
Anonymous No.24794886 >>24794909
Interesting thread ruined by two redditors trying to out retard each other.
Anonymous No.24794909
>>24794886
very interesting thread. never been done before i’d say.
Anonymous No.24795031
>>24794633
Because the tails are still smaller than the average??? Are you a woman?
Anonymous No.24795039
>>24793047
She was a fairly masculine woman
Anonymous No.24795366
>>24792893
they hated them because they spoke the truth
Anonymous No.24795392
>>24794539
>>24794551
For me it has always been 5'3" and an attitude.
Anonymous No.24795414 >>24796168
>>24792874 (OP)
booba
Anonymous No.24795632
>>24793000
She was a nasty classist
Anonymous No.24796158
>>24793094
This comment started very good with high quality insight but went off-rails so bad towards the end
Anonymous No.24796168
>>24795414
I'm mesmerized. Only reason I haven't hidden the thread
Anonymous No.24796243 >>24796266
>>24792874 (OP)
My personal favorite is when people bring up Frankenstein, as if it weren't entirely written by Percy who then let his wife take credit as a joke.
Anonymous No.24796266 >>24796374
>>24794132
Knew it!

>>24796243
>This junk again.
May your sister Phoebe stab you in your sleep tonight.
Anonymous No.24796305
I need to say something very important: English literature is garbage, and you should all be ashamed.
Anonymous No.24796374 >>24796420 >>24796436 >>24796507
>>24796266
Any real scholar who looks into this matter knows Percy wrote the vast majority of the book. Mary probably wrote it down while he dictated to her and he thought it would be funny to say she "wrote it" because she technically did write it down lol. That Percy had a sense of humor.
Anonymous No.24796420 >>24796455
>>24796374
Debunked meme. kys.
Anonymous No.24796436 >>24796455
>>24796374
robinson compared mary’s 1816-17 manuscript drafts with the published 1818 text and it showed 3000 words of percy’s suggestions out of roughly 72000 words total.
Anonymous No.24796455 >>24796469 >>24796471 >>24796494 >>24799045
>>24796420
It's not, ACK-tually.

>>24796436
>[Percy] contributed at least 4,000 to 5,000 words to this 72,000 word novel. Despite the number of Percy’s words, the novel was conceived and mainly written by Mary Shelley, as attested not only by others in their circle (e.g. Byron, Godwin, Claire and Charles Clairmont, Leigh Hunt) but by the nature of the manuscript evidence in the surviving pages of the Draft. (Robinson, 2008, p. 25)
>This so-called ‘handwriting argument’ assumes that everything in the manuscript written in Mary Shelley’s hand was originally composed by her.
>there exist manuscripts in Mary Shelley’s handwriting of works composed by Percy—for example, his 1820 lyrical drama Prometheus Unbound (Fraistat, 1991), and the poems The Mask of Anarchy, The Witch of Atlas, The Cenci, and The Sensitive Plant (Reiman and Powers, 1977, pp. 210, 236, 301, 348). Therefore, a possible theory is that the same arrangement was used in the composition of Frankenstein.
Anonymous No.24796469
>>24796455
No. Do you even know what an editor is?
Anonymous No.24796471 >>24796476
>>24796455
>[Percy] contributed 4,000 to 5,000 words to this 72,000 word novel. Despite the number of Percy’s words, the novel was conceived and mainly written by Mary Shelley, as attested not only by others in their circle (e.g. Byron, Godwin, Claire and Charles Clairmont, Leigh Hunt) but by the nature of the manuscript evidence in the surviving pages of the Draft.
Did you read this before sending?
Anonymous No.24796476 >>24796501
>>24796471
Did you read past the first line that confirmed your bias?

THIS SO-CALLED ‘HANDWRITING ARGUMENT’ ASSUMES THAT EVERYTHING IN THE MANUSCRIPT WRITTEN IN MARY SHELLEY’S HAND WAS ORIGINALLY COMPOSED BY HER.

THERE EXIST MANUSCRIPTS IN MARY SHELLEY’S HANDWRITING OF WORKS COMPOSED BY PERCY—FOR EXAMPLE, HIS 1820 LYRICAL DRAMA PROMETHEUS UNBOUND (FRAISTAT, 1991), AND THE POEMS THE MASK OF ANARCHY, THE WITCH OF ATLAS, THE CENCI, AND THE SENSITIVE PLANT (REIMAN AND POWERS, 1977, PP. 210, 236, 301, 348). THEREFORE, A POSSIBLE THEORY IS THAT THE SAME ARRANGEMENT WAS USED IN THE COMPOSITION OF FRANKENSTEIN.
Anonymous No.24796494
>>24796455
Hole status: gaped
Anonymous No.24796501 >>24796507
>>24796476
Yes, I was just wondering because you sent something that directly & sensibly rebutted your initial post.
Anonymous No.24796507 >>24796513
>>24796501
I included the argument for the sake of intellectual honesty. I'm not >>24796374, and it doesn't refute their claim.
Anonymous No.24796513 >>24796525
>>24796507
If I were trying to argue the latter point, I wouldn’t have included the first quote. It makes it look pretty silly appearing after that.
Anonymous No.24796525 >>24796536
>>24796513
I lied when I said I included it for intellectual honesty. I included it so retards would jump to conclusions and BTFO of themselves because they can't be bothered to read.
Anonymous No.24796536 >>24796559
>>24796525
Reread your own post with a rational head and see if you’re more likely to go with the latter theory rather than the fact backed up by numbers and five other witnesses.
Which would stand up in a court of law?
Anonymous No.24796543
>>24792874 (OP)
because they are porn addicts
this is known
readers and writers of literary pornography, this is the extent of their abilities and potential
Anonymous No.24796559 >>24796568
>>24796536
No. Robinson's analysis is fundamentally flawed and invalid.
Anonymous No.24796568 >>24796596
>>24796559
I guess that’s convenient for you.
Anonymous No.24796577 >>24796590 >>24796602
>>24792874 (OP)
there is no biological reason for a woman to be a creator of something other than a child. She doesnt have to impress anyone or win public approval, all she has to do in life is part her legs for a right man, who does have to do all these things.
Anonymous No.24796590 >>24796621
>>24796577
what even fucking makes u think this im so confused. what basis do u have for this idea?
Anonymous No.24796596 >>24796661
>>24796568
It's far more inconvenient for "feminists" than it is convenient for me.
Anonymous No.24796602 >>24796607
>>24796577
and that was how human civilization existed for 10k years. Now however we are all trying to be equal and soon to be dead.
Anonymous No.24796607
>>24796602
"soon to be dead"
Anonymous No.24796621 >>24796651
>>24796590
All of human history? lol women get degrees these days more than men but can’t think logically
Anonymous No.24796651 >>24796665 >>24796672
>>24796621
"all of human history"
so u mean the human history that has many examples of women creating?
ur first reply said women could not be creators which has almost nothing to do with getting degrees which uve changed to here.
ur just ignoring proven facts to make ur point seem more correct
theres research that says most of the oldest cave paintings were made by women.
sappho is one of the most famous poets from ancient greece.
women historically created tapestries and woven art
jefimija was a serbian woman and orthodox nun who was a well known poet, needlewoman and engraver.
the renaissance and baroque eras featured many women creating art
most of the reason women didnt create in history is cause they werent allowed to?
if u can provide a reliable source that proves women werent creators i will apologise to u.
Anonymous No.24796661 >>24796670
>>24796596
Hmm, how did the conversation end up here? Thought we were just talking straight literary criticism.
Anonymous No.24796665 >>24796668
>>24796651
nta & it’s true women have created masterpieces, but it’s also true they have no real reason to - >>24793863
Anonymous No.24796668
>>24796665
do men have no any reason to create masterpieces? does anyone have any real reason to create masterpieces honestly? we can survive on earth without art
Anonymous No.24796670 >>24796696
>>24796661
You're mistaken.
Anonymous No.24796672 >>24796675
>>24796651
The fact that you’re comparing cave paintings and sewing to Homer is laughable. Back to the kitchen.
Anonymous No.24796675 >>24796688
>>24796672
were not talking abput masterpieces in this particular conversation (i know the thread about is about masterpieces) the original anon just said women shouldnt be creators not once did i mention masterpieces retard
Anonymous No.24796688 >>24796692
>>24796675
I wouldn’t call decorating the cave that the man created to be creating the cave
Anonymous No.24796692 >>24796717
>>24796688
wtf r u on about men didnt create caves lmaooooo they used pre-exisiting caves
Anonymous No.24796696 >>24796699
>>24796670
Ostensibly.
Anonymous No.24796698
>>24792977
this lady is a brainlet and you're even more of a brainlet for listening to her.
Anonymous No.24796699
>>24796696
Indubitably.
Anonymous No.24796700 >>24796710
hey has anyone in this thread read a book before?
Anonymous No.24796710 >>24796713 >>24796720
>>24796700
i studied frankenstein for decades.
Anonymous No.24796713 >>24796729
>>24796710
Studying frankenstein for five minutes would be a waste of time.

Tell us about the level of profound mental retardation that is required to study it for decades. This seems interesting.
Anonymous No.24796717
>>24796692
holes decorated pre existing caves for their kids, because the purpose of a hole is to squeeze out another man to lead the tribe
Anonymous No.24796720 >>24796729
>>24796710
No you didn't.
Anonymous No.24796729
>>24796713
>>24796720
it was a joke fellas
Anonymous No.24797068 >>24797073
>>24792874 (OP)
Not gonna read the thread
Who won us or femoids?!
Anonymous No.24797070
>>24792893
>go play Anime Titty Games 4
I want to play Anime Titty Games 4
Anonymous No.24797073 >>24797084
>>24797068
not us
CFUX-FM No.24797081
>>24792977
>>It's a fact that women read much more than men
>Women read mostly porn; they're porn addicts.
A lot of women read woke performative shit too.
Anonymous No.24797084 >>24797089
>>24797073
Are you trying to deceive me?
Femoids often do this
Anonymous No.24797089
>>24797084
take it how you will mufucker
Anonymous No.24797101 >>24797103
I read Tess of the d'Urbervilles like 6 years ago and i was under the impression it was the work of a woman
I wonder if any other anons have similar experiences regarding novels written by men
Anonymous No.24797103 >>24797145
>>24797101
you thought thomas hardy was a woman’s name? or you just read the whole thing without looking at the cover?
Anonymous No.24797118 >>24797129
Another men vs women thread holy fuck is the average age here 12?
Anonymous No.24797126 >>24797590
Am I the only one who finds non-AI greta hot? I even bought her book from the bargain bin to look at the pictures.
Anonymous No.24797129 >>24797151
>>24797118
Quiet, hole.
Anonymous No.24797145
>>24797103
I was aware he's a man since I've read 2 novels by him prior to Tess
It just felt different "woman-like"
Anonymous No.24797151 >>24797158 >>24797161 >>24799302
>>24797129
>everyone who disagrees with me is a woman
you infantile imbecile. These threads, while funny and true are just circlejerking. Using retarded arguments like "muh women read more" or " men have higher iq" is waste of our time. Instead people should choose 3 best female authors and 3 best male authors according to them and go full on literary analysis why men are superior and better. That way no women could ever dare to respond.
Anonymous No.24797158
>>24797151
all the greatest works of ancient literature were by a woman — calliope.
Anonymous No.24797161 >>24797163
>>24797151
>validate holes
Quiet, hole.
Anonymous No.24797163
>>24797161
chud on chud violence
Anonymous No.24797280
>>24792874 (OP)
I think it's wrong to compare them with men
It sounds quite demeaning to be honest
We can't have the same expectations for them since they're not men in the first place unless you believe in muh equality theory
Anonymous No.24797307
>>24792874 (OP)
>>24792893
>>24792930
>>24792977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffvRhsViyIQ
Anonymous No.24797344
>>24792874 (OP)
Emma is a masterpiece
Anonymous No.24797363
>>24792874 (OP)
Frankenstein. Regardless of the fact that there have been, society would fucking stop women from getting ahead, even today. I don’t know if this post is genuine or trolling but it’s content is simply asinine
Anonymous No.24797389
>>24792934
Most books are forgotten. Same for women? What’s the mystery? Did you think all books written in 1862 by men live on as classics? Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.24797584
>>24792918
A Black Qween, to be precise.
Anonymous No.24797590
>>24797126
Yes? She has extreme sperg physiognomy. Why, if you gave me a pair of calipers...
Anonymous No.24797718
>>24792874 (OP)
>It has seemed to me a possible myth or parable, that in the beginning, when men became men by some miraculous act of God, a soul was bestowed only on them.
Anonymous No.24798295
>>24792893
And the fact that women consider Jane Austen high literature is why no woman has written a literary masterpiece. They all prefer self insert romance and smut.
Anonymous No.24798322
>>24792874 (OP)
Nigger you talk like you wrote Paradise lost lmao most women authors are better than you at writing you silly nigger
Anonymous No.24799045 >>24800563
>>24796455
Checked. Percy wrote it.
Anonymous No.24799081 >>24799193 >>24799213 >>24799290 >>24799311 >>24799342 >>24799669 >>24800039 >>24800353
>>24792874 (OP)
Remember that story from DFW?
>Two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says “Morning, boys. How’s the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes “What the hell is water?”

Men born into the patriarchy cannot tell they are living in such a system any more than fish can tell you what water is. Their every thought is colored by the false valor of toxic masculinity. Women don't need to write a masterpiece because every time two women speak to each other (about something other then men) they are creating Art.
Anonymous No.24799127
>>24792874 (OP)
Dickinson is the greatest American Poet.
Anonymous No.24799193
>>24799081
Retard.
Anonymous No.24799213
>>24799081
>every time two women speak to each other they are creating Art
Cancel women's rights. This shit is too stupid to continue.
Anonymous No.24799290
>>24799081
What if I think living in a patriarchy is a good thing?
Anonymous No.24799302 >>24799591
>>24797151
Clive Barker
John Williams
Nathaniel Hawthorne

Vs

Flannery O’Connor
Charlotte Bronte
Virginia Woolfe

Men win 3-0
Anonymous No.24799311
>>24799081
Well I guess you don't think Virginia Woolf is much of an artist, if the quote of hers you found worthy of putting as picrel is just her seething about men.
Anonymous No.24799327
>>24792874 (OP)
Dang Leo got to suck THOSE PANCAKES?!
Anonymous No.24799342 >>24799363
>>24799081
>Their every thought is colored by the false valor of toxic masculinity

So does that mean the story you just used from David Foster Wallace (a thought from a man) is also colored by the false valor of toxic masculinity? Therefore rendering your entire post fallacious?
Anonymous No.24799363
>>24799342
DFW killed herself due to debilitating gender dysphoria
Anonymous No.24799591
>>24799302
>Clive Barker
0/10 bait.
Anonymous No.24799618
>>24793001
This is the same Woolf that seethed so much about Ulysses she vanished for a few years only to release a pale and boring version in Mrs Dalloway? Woolf was a great writer but she doesn't hold up to Joyce and she was an annoying spastic to top it off.
Anonymous No.24799625 >>24799794 >>24800044
>>24792874 (OP)
Woolf, Charlotte and Emily Bronte, Shirley Jackson and George Elliot have a body of work that contains nothing but masterpieces.
Anonymous No.24799631
>>24792893
>there are more women who have read My Secret Were-rapist Billionaire than men.
Anonymous No.24799669
>>24799081
This is the kind of post I would craft if I wanted to increase the hatred of women
Anonymous No.24799781 >>24799805
>>24792874 (OP)
obvious b8 thread
>compare Middlemarch to Paradise Lost as if they are even in the same ballpark.
middlemarch is literally one of the best books ever written. to suggest otherwise is ignorance
Anonymous No.24799794
>>24799625
Having just read Agnes Grey (and listened to the audiobook of The Tenant of Wildfell Hall), I personally would add Anne Brontë as well.
Anonymous No.24799796
>>24792893
Why are you trying to diminish the rich and multifaceted storytelling techniques of Anime Titty Game 4?
Anonymous No.24799805
>>24799781
To have ever known a Dorothea Brooke — It might even have turned me from my agnostic ways!
Anonymous No.24800039
>>24799081
Lmao, Woolf (deservedly) BTFO
Always bizarre to me how some anons, on the /lit/ board no less, will always fail to see obvious ironic tone.
Anonymous No.24800044
>>24799625
>Woolf
>a body of work that contains nothing but masterpieces
Anonymous No.24800048
She created this one.
Anonymous No.24800353
>>24799081
I don't believe men are born into a patriarchy though, I believe they are born into a gynocracy and persist on chinese whispers of a bygone age of tough pricks.
Anonymous No.24800477
>>24792874 (OP)
I don't think any woman writer besides maybe Emily Dickinson, shall ever know what it's like to be a male outcast.
That's what a lot of these writers are, or the Hemingway variety, where you're not so much an outcast as a possessed man.
A lot of these men have no reason to lie or cheat or beg. Women tend to dislike JD Salinger because he said that he thought that there was no significant third place in those towns, and that's what women spend their time pretending.
"Oh that's a gentrified cafe, that's a life."
"Oh that's a hairdressers, that's a life, a clothes shop, a whatever. Whereas a man outcasted just finds nothing of value to write about there and focuses on either writing a classic or a book about trains. This post was a waste of time, I don't think I have changed any mind.
Anonymous No.24800563 >>24801455
>>24799045
I'm not so sure now. I read a stylmetric analysis meant to refute claims of dubious authorship and it inadvertantly made a good case for her father being the author. There were different methods and metrics used, and Godwin was always the runner up for authorship, with the exception of one method, where his writing was a closer match than Shelley's. The closest work to Shelley's of those analyzed was her next novel, a novel which Godwin had rewritten for her, and that wasn't the only time that happened. It's not definitive, but combined with the fact that none of her other works approach the depth or themes of Frankenstein and that she frequently had "help" from Percy, Godwin and others around her, it seems like the best claim of her authorship is that she put her name on it.
Anonymous No.24800603
>>24792874 (OP)
*Suggests Joyce wrote a masterpiece.*
Anonymous No.24800707 >>24801338
kill niggers
Anonymous No.24800777 >>24800783 >>24800792 >>24800812
>>24792980
>A woman can be good at something, but she will never reach the ranks of a 0.1% male at the top of his craft.
This is false. Women who are mentally ill or neurodivergent in some way can reach these ranks as they already do not fit in, and so are not burdened by gendered socialization. Neurodivergence is also associated with extra sensitivity, creativity, greater "intensities", etc. (though not necessarily the other way around).There is generally only one path of "typical" development, but a multitude of paths to diverge from the norm (this is why the norm is called the norm).
For example, Sylvia Path and Virginia Woolf (type 1 bipolar disorder with high manic features is associated with higher creativity and verbal intelligence.) are exceptional because of this. Sylvia Path had a recorded IQ of 160.
Anonymous No.24800783
>>24800777
*Sylvia Plath - I never read her
Anonymous No.24800792 >>24800817
>>24800777
Notice how a lot of these types of women successfully kill themselves, which is abnormal for women in general.
Anonymous No.24800812
>>24800777
>Sylvia Path had a recorded IQ of 160

That is top 0.1% of IQ, so I suppose that is a rare exception in that domain.

I don't know if she'd qualify for top 0.1% of exemplary writers though, especially considering she published only one book in her lifetime.
Anonymous No.24800817 >>24800938
>>24800792
exceptional woman = masculine temperament
Anonymous No.24800913 >>24801033
>>24792874 (OP)
Generally speaking, women are just not as creative. No woman has ever made good music, for example.

There are evolutionary and environmental explanations for women being mediocre and unoriginal.
Anonymous No.24800938
>>24800817
so when men write great poetry about tenderness or emotional pain
(like keats or rilke) that must make them feminine
Anonymous No.24800945 >>24801025 >>24801039
>>24792874 (OP)
now i’m no “feminista”, but what counts as a “masterpiece” is coded by male institutions, isn’t it? critics, publishers, museums. if the gatekeepers are all men, the canon reflects them. just my 2c.
Anonymous No.24801014
>>24792874 (OP)
The fountainhead exists.
Anonymous No.24801025 >>24801049
>>24800945
>let more women in to let more women in, not on merit
That mistake has been made before and it's always devastating. Write something good.
Anonymous No.24801033 >>24801046 >>24801344
>>24800913
The first words of Western literature are literally a man begging a woman (divine or not) to sing through him. The Iliad starts off

Sing to me, O Goddess,

The act of poetic creation is feminine at its source.
Anonymous No.24801039
>>24800945
to some extent yeah, it takes time to become a classic and although universities now are very progressive this hasnt been the case for that long. i think one hundred years of solitude is somewhat of a modern classic, and oryx & crake is more contemporary but very good
Anonymous No.24801046 >>24801070
>>24801033
>man write about woman, therefore woman is source of all writing
Anonymous No.24801049 >>24801107 >>24801111
>>24801025
if the people deciding what counts as merit have historically been men, isn’t it reasonable to assume the whole things fairly skewed?
Anonymous No.24801070
>>24801046
incredible someone who wants to weigh in on the art of poetry can miss the nuance of what i said.
in epic poetry, the poet doesn’t decide to write; he invokes a goddess - the muse - to speak through him.
Anonymous No.24801092 >>24801113
When's the last time anyone has written a "masterpiece?" Most fundamental concepts have already been written, and because those writers were the first to do it, their works are considered "good."

Conveniently for your argument, during almost all times of opportunity for literary innovation, it was almost impossible for women to become published.
Anonymous No.24801104 >>24801118 >>24801123
when I took AP English in high school we read Joyce, Sartre, Camus, Shakespeare and some other modern novels. They I took another semester of English lit in uni and we read stuff like Fun Home: A Family Tragicomic and Persepolis. It's like if the course were titled "The Ordinary and Mundane Lives of the Oppressed and Marginalized".

WTF happened
Anonymous No.24801107 >>24801121
>>24801049
No. Men are rational decision makers capable of objectivity. Women are emotional makers incapable of objectivity. Women are objectively not good writers. You're suggesting letting them in just because they're women, which is exactly what women would continue to do, lowering standards to accomplish as much, until it's nothing but women and merit no longer exists.
Anonymous No.24801111
>>24801049
No, because you trust institutions everyday that have always been historically male dominated, and had males decide what has merit.

Physics, mathematics, history, geography, epistemology, engineering...I don't really feel I need to continue.
Anonymous No.24801113
>>24801092
DFW wrote a review about joseph frank's dostoevsky biography in which he discusses his complaint that modern authors sort of lack the ambition of people like dosteovsky and are caught up in describing subjective experiences and social commentary. it's quite interesting
Anonymous No.24801118
>>24801104
Educate yourself chud.
Anonymous No.24801121 >>24801137
>>24801107
>Men are rational decision makers capable of objectivity. Women are emotional makers incapable of objectivity
you’d expect the latter to be more artistic wouldn’t you?
Anonymous No.24801123 >>24801127
>>24801104
>WTF happened
The manufactured decline of western civilization has accelerated.
Anonymous No.24801127 >>24801148
>>24801123
Good, you deserve it for colonialism. Repent.
Anonymous No.24801137 >>24801155
>>24801121
And you would be wrong. Today nobody is stopping women from making amazing art, they just don't, not for lack of trying, but because they by and large can't.
Anonymous No.24801148
>>24801127
When you give up everything you gained from colonialism then your criticisms of it will be valid and not before.
Anonymous No.24801155 >>24801159
>>24801137
one of my favourite (top 3) authors of the last century was a woman, but either way, isn’t this arguing in bad faith considering centuries of exclusion? there are still institutions. all that said i still don’t really care.
Anonymous No.24801159 >>24801165
>>24801155
No, it's not. You are arguing in bad faith to justify including women because they're women.
Anonymous No.24801165 >>24801169
>>24801159
i literately beat the fuck out of women on a daily basis. just having a level-headed conversation with you.
Anonymous No.24801169
>>24801165
literally
Anonymous No.24801196
Anonymous No.24801338 >>24802281
>>24800707
I hate to beak it to you but none of the victims in this book is actually a nigger.
Anonymous No.24801344 >>24801356 >>24801472
>>24801033
>a man calls on a fictitious, symbolic woman made up by men
>this reflects the actual talents of real women
Are you actually retarded? Woman moment
Anonymous No.24801356 >>24801472 >>24801529
>>24801344
>To
>Through
Actually retarded, bitch can't even read basic prepositions.
Anonymous No.24801455
>>24800563
>stylmetric analysis
That stuff is bullshit. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence indicating Percy alongside the fact 5000 words were irrefutably written by him. He guided the novel from conception to completion and people saying otherwise are tards quoting others as if they came to the conclusion all on their own.
Anonymous No.24801472 >>24801853
>>24801344
Even within male-created traditions, the idea of inspiration and creativity was personified as feminine - suggesting that, on some level, the culture knew or imagined the creative principle as feminine.

>>24801356
lol
Anonymous No.24801529 >>24801536 >>24801566 >>24801682
>>24801356
>bitch

That's really misogynistic, don't say that. All of the great female minds of western canon, dead and alive, are scowling at you right now. All seven of them.
Anonymous No.24801536
>>24801529
You might say their holes are gaping.
Anonymous No.24801566
>>24801529
Anonymous No.24801682
>>24801529
Anonymous No.24801853 >>24802745
>>24801472
I don't know how to break this to you, but men being motivated to do great and terrible things for pussy (which is what a muse ultimately boils down to) doesn't mean anything for women's actual capabilities
Anonymous No.24801874 >>24801955 >>24802250
>>24792874 (OP)
Majority of men don’t read or write, they are too busy playing multiplayer video games and discord. Middlemarch and Austen’s novels absolutely mogs 99% of literary “classics”, dumb-dumb. Paradise lost? Lol.
Anonymous No.24801955
>>24801874
You will never be a woman.
Anonymous No.24802145
What else can be said? Hoes mad.
Anonymous No.24802250
>>24801874
Middlemarch sucks
Anonymous No.24802281
>>24801338
don't wake me up from the dream
Anonymous No.24802397
>>24792946
>poetry
men sound gay as fuck lol
what if (You) rendered into iambic pentameter a poem about a billionaire werewolf pirate who kept an average looking personalityless woman as a sex slave and even though he could have any women he chose her and he violently raped her but in reality it's about the timeless struggle of good vs evil?
Anonymous No.24802403
>>24793094
should we send women to extermination camp to improve the general literary output?
Anonymous No.24802745 >>24803328
>>24801853
In epic poetry, the poet didn’t decide to write, he asked to be spoken through. If you can’t properly understand the muse you really have no business talking about art in the first place. You’re less likely to get it than you claim women are.
& writing something down to sex isn’t the same as writing it off altogether. Sex is the central rhythm of life. True art centres on the celebration of human sexuality.
Anonymous No.24802847
Wuthering heights.
Anonymous No.24803328
>>24802745
>through
Dumb holeposting. Learn how to read.