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Anonymous No.24795503 [Report] >>24795543 >>24795546 >>24795636 >>24795699 >>24796279 >>24796862 >>24797848
Just finished Moby Dick for the first time
What's the /lit/ consensus on it? Is it truly the Great American Novel? Or is it an overrated midwit piece of shit?
Anonymous No.24795508 [Report]
It's the great american novel.
Anonymous No.24795543 [Report] >>24795647
>>24795503 (OP)
It's not only the Great American Novel, it's my favourite novel period.
Anonymous No.24795546 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
its the only good amerikan novel
Anonymous No.24795552 [Report]
One of the few unambiguous masterpieces in the english language. It is a comfort to return to it after trudging through thousands of pages of garbage to be instantly reminded what worthwhile writing looks and sounds like.
Anonymous No.24795636 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
The great american novel, and somehow still underrated
Anonymous No.24795647 [Report] >>24795652 >>24795668 >>24796218
>>24795543
Do the autistic posters here realize how fucking up their ass they sound when they post shit like this? "It's not only the best novel ever written, *I* also happen to like it"
Whoop de fucking doo
Anonymous No.24795652 [Report] >>24797276
>>24795647
t. salty fag who hasn't read MD
Anonymous No.24795663 [Report] >>24795666 >>24795670 >>24796763 >>24797302
One thing I don't understand is why Melville's other novels are almost completely ignored. Moby-Dick is much-loved, with a metric ton of scholarship, meetups and other materials. Meanwhile Pierre and Confidence-Man, not to mention Clarel, basically don't exist in the public consciousness. It can't just be their difficulty, the 20th century brought us Ulysses and GR. Hell, Finnegans Wake has 10 times as many goodreads reviews (shut up, it's a decent metric to judge a book's popularity) as Melville's later novels.
Anonymous No.24795666 [Report] >>24795680
>>24795663
because people are fucking stupid. that's why anon. that's why.
Anonymous No.24795668 [Report] >>24795702
>>24795647
Great American Novel does not imply "the best novel ever written", or even "the best American novel", but rather "the novel that best captures the American spirit".
Anonymous No.24795670 [Report] >>24795687
>>24795663
It's because they're simply not as good. By a pretty massive margin, in fact. They're still good and interesting, but only from the perspective of someone invested in him. The only works that come close to Moby-Dick are "Bartleby" and "Billy Budd."
Anonymous No.24795680 [Report]
>>24795666
Why are you so rude to me, Satan?
Anonymous No.24795687 [Report] >>24795700
>>24795670
White Jacket is almost as good
Anonymous No.24795699 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
I'm reading it now and it definitely is good, but most of the rants weigh it down. It could've been improved with much trimming.
Anonymous No.24795700 [Report]
>>24795687
I think White Jacket is his second best novel, it's really good, but he was aiming way, way below where he landed with Moby-Dick, you have to admit that. Maybe only the ending scene where the narrator falls off the ship approaches the levels of Moby-Dick
Anonymous No.24795702 [Report] >>24795705 >>24795713
>>24795668
but there was nothing in moby dick about genociding natives and raping black women, so then what makes it the great american novel?
Anonymous No.24795705 [Report] >>24795710
>>24795702
>women
Anonymous No.24795710 [Report]
>>24795705
right, i forgot all mutts are latent fags
Anonymous No.24795713 [Report]
>>24795702
>raping black women
nigger
Anonymous No.24796167 [Report] >>24796173 >>24796186 >>24796208 >>24796574 >>24796575 >>24796844
Favourite chapeters? Mine are the town, stubb's supper and the squeeze of the hand
Anonymous No.24796173 [Report] >>24796178
>>24796167
Queequeg in his Coffin, the Whiteness of the Whale, and the Castaway
Anonymous No.24796178 [Report]
>>24796173
>the Whiteness of the Whale
Love that too
Anonymous No.24796186 [Report]
>>24796167
When they encounter the other ship, captained by an ignorant man named Derick, futilely chasing after a finback whale they can’t hope to catch, and Melville writes:
> Oh! many are the Fin-Backs, and many are the Dericks, my friend.
Anonymous No.24796208 [Report]
>>24796167
The Chart is so badass
Anonymous No.24796218 [Report]
>>24795647
shut the fuck up you fuckin faggot
Anonymous No.24796279 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
Dripping with gay subtext that niggas like to pretend isn't there for some reason.
Anonymous No.24796564 [Report]
I love MB. I don't think it's THE greatest American novel but it's certainly one of them. It is a shame that we're going to lose our understanding of this book but time marches on, people are getting more stupid and reading is falling by the wayside
Anonymous No.24796574 [Report] >>24796578
>>24796167
The Specksnyder

Particularly this part

the sea.

Nor, perhaps, will it fail to be eventually perceived, that behind those forms and usages, as it were, he sometimes masked himself; incidentally making use of them for other and more private ends than they were legitimately intended to subserve. That certain sultanism of his brain, which had otherwise in a good degree remained unmanifested; through those forms that same sultanism became incarnate in an irresistible dictatorship. For be a man’s intellectual superiority what it will, it can never assume the practical, available supremacy over other men, without the aid of some sort of external arts and entrenchments, always, in themselves, more or less paltry and base. This it is, that for ever keeps God’s true princes of the Empire from the world’s hustings; and leaves the highest honors that this air can give, to those men who become famous more through their infinite inferiority to the choice hidden handful of the Divine Inert, than through their undoubted superiority over the dead level of the mass. Such large virtue lurks in these small things when extreme political superstitions invest them, that in some royal instances even to idiot imbecility they have imparted potency. But when, as in the case of Nicholas the Czar, the ringed crown of geographical empire encircles an imperial brain; then, the plebeian herds crouch abased before the tremendous centralization.
Anonymous No.24796575 [Report]
>>24796167
the try-works
Anonymous No.24796578 [Report] >>24796593 >>24796856
>>24796574
And I still don't know what the fuck it means but it sounds awesome in my head. Maybe my sultanism is too weak
Anonymous No.24796593 [Report] >>24796760 >>24796771
>>24796578
the first section is just talking about someone using terms usually only attributed to royalty, emperors, etc. then he shifts to the necessity of base methods to control men, regardless of intelligence, then he describes those who shirk god and cleave to the world as those who are not favored with royalty or kinghood because of any greatness above normal men, but rather because they're less than those elected by god to rule in heaven at his side. then he mentions that there have been plenty of instances where total idiots have held the crown, and closes with a description of what a true king looks like, how awesome and terrifying such a thing is to all who behold it

but that's just a guess at what the fuck he's talking about. reading melville is like eating a very dense brownie. always a pleasure, even if you don't quite grasp it.
Anonymous No.24796760 [Report]
>>24796593
retard alert
Anonymous No.24796763 [Report] >>24796766
>>24795663
what did you think of clarel
Anonymous No.24796766 [Report]
>>24796763
I wish the bastard had used a better rhyme scheme
Anonymous No.24796771 [Report] >>24796776 >>24796829
>>24796593
>he describes those who shirk god and cleave to the world as those who are not favored with royalty or kinghood because of any greatness above normal men, but rather because they're less than those elected by god to rule in heaven at his side

No

>then he mentions that there have been plenty of instances where total idiots have held the crown

No


>closes with a description of what a true king looks like, how awesome and terrifying such a thing is to all who behold it

Yes
Anonymous No.24796776 [Report] >>24796801
>>24796771

This it is, that for ever keeps God’s true princes of the Empire from the world’s hustings; and leaves the highest honors that this air can give, to those men who become famous more through their infinite inferiority to the choice hidden handful of the Divine Inert, than through their undoubted superiority over the dead level of the mass.

>Such large virtue lurks in these small things when extreme political superstitions invest them, that in some royal instances even to idiot imbecility they have imparted potency.

Summarize these two, if you would please.
Anonymous No.24796801 [Report] >>24796803
>>24796776
>intellectual superiority can never assume power over other men, without the aid of some sort of social structure, which is something inherently more gay than raw brainpower
>Ergo, truly noble and holy dudes stay out of power games; which is indeed fucking awesome, because avoiding those games is the superior choice despite it leading to less power over people. Indeed, we tend to worship those men who give up power for noble reasons, rather than those who appear to lead and instruct for the sake of mere authority or influence.
>this is why we worship or admire fools or losers sometimes, as long as they are humble and good
Anonymous No.24796803 [Report]
>>24796801
Anonymous No.24796829 [Report] >>24796839
>>24796771
Nah nevermind i was wrong ignore that
Anonymous No.24796839 [Report]
>>24796829
it's a pretty tough excerpt. i don't think i was completely accurate either. definitely not about this bit
>Such large virtue lurks in these small things when extreme political superstitions invest them, that in some royal instances even to idiot imbecility they have imparted potency.
seems to me he's talking about the attributes of sultanism, that they're useful to idiots too.
i donno, it's difficult to parse without getting into the flow of the chapter itself as well. each has its own stylistic quirks.
Anonymous No.24796844 [Report]
>>24796167
The Sphinx

It was a black and hooded head; and hanging there in the midst of so intense a calm, it seemed the Sphynx’s in the desert. “Speak, thou vast and venerable head,” muttered Ahab, “which, though ungarnished with a beard, yet here and there lookest hoary with mosses; speak, mighty head, and tell us the secret thing that is in thee. Of all divers, thou hast dived the deepest. That head upon which the upper sun now gleams, has moved amid this world’s foundations. Where unrecorded names and navies rust, and untold hopes and anchors rot; where in her murderous hold this frigate earth is ballasted with bones of millions of the drowned; there, in that awful water-land, there was thy most familiar home. Thou hast been where bell or diver never went; hast slept by many a sailor’s side, where sleepless mothers would give their lives to lay them down. Thou saw’st the locked lovers when leaping from their flaming ship; heart to heart they sank beneath the exulting wave; true to each other, when heaven seemed false to them. Thou saw’st the murdered mate when tossed by pirates from the midnight deck; for hours he fell into the deeper midnight of the insatiate maw; and his murderers still sailed on unharmed—while swift lightnings shivered the neighboring ship that would have borne a righteous husband to outstretched, longing arms. O head! thou hast seen enough to split the planets and make an infidel of Abraham, and not one syllable is thine!”
Anonymous No.24796856 [Report] >>24796863 >>24796865 >>24797292
>>24796578
Sorry anon, you're just retarded. Moby-Dick is not a difficult book and it's for middle schoolers, maaaaybe retarded high schoolers. This thread unanimously said so.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24780348
Anonymous No.24796862 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
Herman Melville got paid by the word for Moby Dick because it was a dual purpose book serving as a story and a literal textbook on whales and whaling.

Holy shit does it show.
Anonymous No.24796863 [Report]
>>24796856
Idgaf
Anonymous No.24796865 [Report]
>>24796856
man shut the fuck up. this world has plenty of negative faggots, we don't need any more.
Anonymous No.24797276 [Report] >>24797322
>>24795652
I have read it. Multiple times even. And I would phrase it as "it's not only my favorite novel, it's the greatest American novel of all time" because the reverse implies my favor is a higher echelon than the greatest American novel.
Maybe that's pedantic, but this is supposed to be a fucking lit forum and the way we word things matter.
Anonymous No.24797292 [Report]
>>24796856
I'm proud to say I stood up to the pseuds and corrected the record. Parts of it definitely are quite difficult and it's likely the people who insist it's easy are so used to not "getting" books that they've resigned themselves to missing most of it and feel like they're getting it because they can partially absorb the vibes.
Anonymous No.24797302 [Report]
>>24795663
Originally it wasn't seen with good eyes, but after a few wars, it was seen as being beyond its times.
Anonymous No.24797322 [Report] >>24797359
>>24797276
Being pedantic about /v/-style platitudes and shitposts is autistic as fuck.
I try to structure my thoughts properly when effortposting. Shitposts? I type whatever comes to mind first.
Anonymous No.24797359 [Report]
>>24797322
Cool, it's a literature board and I will continue to take issue with the way posts are written.
I also don't think it's just tossing off a shitpost. I really think a lot of the fags here think being their favorite book is a higher rank than "greatest ever," at least subconsciously if not overtly.
Anyway, consider all my posts to be shitposts too.
Anonymous No.24797848 [Report]
>>24795503 (OP)
Sorry OP, I'll use your thread to ask here. I've only read Moby Dick once, and a long while ago, but today I finished Canto V in Limbus Company, which is very much connected to the novel, with Ishmael and Ahab playing massive parts. Any of you /lit/fags who read this novel played it? I wish to partake in deeper analysis of it all that only unhinged /lit/fags can manage.