Thread 24795522

Name a bigger failure. Go on, I'll wait.

>>24795522 (OP)
He killed himself because he realized his books sucked.

>>24795529
Yes.

literature as a whole.

>>24795537
this fag never read Hemingway

>>24795522 (OP)
When did DFW ever use the phrase "New Sincerity"?

>>24795522 (OP)
I don't take advice from dudes who topped themselves

>>24795539
>Hemingway
>good
this fag never read Hemingway

>>24795545
>hemingway
>bad
this fag never read Hilary Mantel

>>24795541
man shut the fuck up

>>24795556
>Hilary Mantel
looked like Gollum

>>24795622
>he bases the literary gods on their visual appearance
embarrassing

>>24795648
people who don't make the effort to try to look good are just self-centered. Why would I care what some narcissist thinks?

>>24795788
lmao

>>24795788
>people who don't make the effort to try to look good are just self-centered
mishima bros keep winning

>>24795522 (OP)
He literally said it would be a failure.

>The next real literary "rebels" in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of "anti-rebels," born oglers who dare to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall to actually endorse single-entendre values. Who treat old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that'll be the point, why they'll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk things. Risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. The new rebels might be the ones willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the "How banal." Accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Credulity. Willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows.

>>24796191
so sitcom writers

>Name a bigger failure

My marriage
My band
My literary career
My education
My last job
My health
My battle with mental illness
My battle with substance abuse
My life as a whole, really

>>24795522 (OP)
>Alt right criticize sincerity.
>Reject post modernity.
>Rejection of post modernity is post modern.
>Becomes an irony.
>Alt right fails to see the irony and say the rejection is sincere.
>Turns out it's just performative.
>That's the actual sincerity.
>Becomes a meta irony.
>Fuck David Foster Wallace he just doesn't get us.
Don't stick your head in a microwave OP.

>>24796318
this post needs more cooking before it drives anyone to suicide, except maybe a very sensitive aesthete who flings himself from bridges when he reads absolute shit

>>24796324
I would add a foot note but giving you instructions on how to stick your head into the microwave goes against the spirit of James Incandeza's1 attempt to capture President Gentle in orange makeup and screaming about how the Great Concavity is actually full of illegal aliens, leftist woke rhetoric, and those stupid tranny niggers2.
>1. May he rest in peace [sic].
>2. Not my actual term. Pejoratives used on 4chan.

>>24796331
oh, how badly i feel for you. much like when i see a baby bird on the sidewalk, flopping around, not fully fledged.

>>24796334
So you couldn't finish Infinite Jest?
I get it.
It's for smart people.

>>24796336
Niggerbabble rape manual

>>24796191
I can't believe romantacy authors were the real rebels all along...

>>24796336
you are comforted by accolades you've designed for yourself because no one else will give you any.

>>24796343
Conservative is the new punk

>>24796336
I am 300 pages in. I really like the Hal and Orin chapters. I really don't like the Poor Tony and Wardine chapters. Are those going to keep coming up because they are not good at all?

>>24796340
>He can't read maximalist prose.
It turns out a particular Anon on an Anonymous image board(1) could not engage with metamodernistic ideas because he was blindsided by prose that no only appeared lengthy but also contain ineffable memematics purloined from non onions-based(2) picayune forums that have since been long overrun with stormfags(3) and turned these once lively and active online congregations of academic discussions into a post-thought wasteland of post-modern fascist(4) bots discussing ontology of political theories that died in the 20th century.
>1. A picture/meme factory discussing written works through images.
>2. Play on words from the Sharty and red pill nomenclature.
>3. Stormfront. An ex neo-nazi hivemind that dissimenated Jewish conspiracy theories to impressionable young white isolated men. Creating the manosphere [sic].
>4. Leftists according to some Fox News viewers in the Year of The Trump Fragrances.

>>24796345
See,
>>24796355

>>24796348
No.
Keep going.
But also open your mind to those chapters. Yes they're inform but they teach empathy.
People really do experience fucked up situations like that.

>>24796355
>riddled with grammatical failures only seen made by those who learned english as a second, or third language
i'm so sorry.

>>24796371
>He can't create anything original.
>Doesn't understand how to switch between irony and sincerity.
>Critiques grammar as a cope.
I would suggest you should feel sorry for yourself more but I think the irony would miss you.

>>24796371
Also you should capitalist the first letter of your sentence.

>>24796375
>more inchoate, gurgling songs from the baby bird whose lifeblood is draining onto the aggregate concrete below him
hush now, it's over

>>24796381
Aw, you can't engage with ideas so you have to cope by using an anology.
Further, you capitalize the first letter in the sentence and add a period at the end.
Don't make me sick Avril or Hal on you.
Wait that's right, you didn't finish the book.

>>24796383
It's true tho.
Now, write me a paragraph that is a pastiche of Wallace's work that alternates between sincerity and irony while disproving the validity of "new sincerity".
And no cheating with AI sweet cheeks.

>>24796388
you're typing too fast, take your time and you may not make so many obvious mistakes. in this one you probably don't even realize the mistake you made, do you?

>>24796399
I would prefer if you capitalize the first letter of your sentences.
Your homework, now.
>>24796396

ah, that explains it. you've listened to the obeisant robots for so long that it has made you believe your clumsy english is passable.
you take it easy, anon. stop reading bad literature, it makes you look very bad.

>>24796407
You failed to reply to my post newfag.
And where's your homework?
Did some giant babies or radioactive hamsters eat it.

>>24795522 (OP)
Oh and to answer your question OP, Adolf Hitler.
His book stinks and when he killed himself a war ended so that's the only good he did.

Did Wallace understand the darkness that comes before?

>>24795522 (OP)
>Muh New Sincerity
The real failure is that you guys have so little capacity for independent aesthetic response that you can only ever talk about this period of writing by using the same critical cliches that it was immediately subsumed under at the time. You're regurgitating reviews that themselves regurgitated the publisher's press release. If a critical debate has gone nowhere and generated no interesting ideas and is stuck in an endless loop of irony/sincerity/post-sincerity/post-irony/post-..., then maybe it's time to shift the terms of the debate.

whew. this shit thread i made sure got a lot of mileage

>>24795541
In the first/last chapter of his book, when Hal says, "I'm sick of this infinite jest! I'm ready for a new sincerity."

>>24796355
>Year of The Trump Fragrances.
Kek

>>24796407
if anon is writing a pastiche of infinite jest he has a better grasp of english than you do pajheet

>>24795529
His books do suck, but the truth is slightly different. He killed himself because he knew he hadn't any talent.

>>24797260
I think it's reasonable to not like Wallace's work but i honestly just couldn't read it.
It was too hard. But he did show what happens when you take postmodernity to its extreme and break it down which I think has value.

>>24795522 (OP)
The new weird movement?

>>24795522 (OP)
Look, he's the best Gen X could come up with. Cut them some slack.

>>24795522 (OP)
Why would I want to read the thoughts of some rich kid douchebag who does nothing but smoke weed and play tennis?

>>24796355
The effort ratio between my shitpost and your response is remarkable. Best (you) I've got in days. I do miss when posters would be redirected to stormfront when they tried to be racist on /lit/ and /mu/. But those days are far gone now. Even I occasionally make a racist shitpost. I am sorry for lowering the quality of discussion on /lit/.

>>24798311
Oh that didn't take effort on my part I'm just that much of a natural writer. So don't flatter yourself.
Cope.
But, finish Infinite Jest first lazy Anon. If you read as much as you shitpost on here you would still be a retard but an accomplished retard.

Look, all I'm saying is that my ex wife is coming over in an hour on bullshit pretenses, so I jerked my shit three times without washing it and let it marinate overnight so that it's absolutely rancid and she can't seduce me and try to ask me to get back together with her.

>>24798332
So you're uncircumcised?

>>24798335
This nigga just deduced me like Sherlock Holmes

>>24798355
I also have read Wallace.
And you know what?
He's an enormous, verbose fucking faggot.
But it's not because I can't discern between sincerity and irony like the knuckle dragging chuds of /lit/.
No sir.
It's because I myself am a fucking faggot. And my anus can sense an uncut dick.

>>24795522 (OP)
my Old Bullshitting movement is struggling to find new members

>>24796191
>"conservatism is the new punk rock" for literature

i got to the part in infinite jest where the pothead filled a tub with jelly and masturbated for like 12 pages and i realized it was too smart for me and put the book down in shame of my own stupidity.

>>24798488
>Reads Infinite Jest literally.
That's you're retarded.

>>24798502
why you're*

>>24798502
what does "literally" mean?

>>24798583
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally
>in a completely accurate way

So when DFW is writing about radioactive hamsters, he's not commenting about a dystopian environment caused by toxic dumping.
It's literally about the hamsters themselves.

>>24795529
FPBP
Anyone capable of writing dogshit like Infinite Jest is a literary failure

>>24798609
>he didnt understand the book
lol

>>24798613
No, I did not
...And that's a good thing!

>>24798616
>its a good thing i dont understand books so that i can comment about them negatively
nah youre just a tard.

/lit/ loves maximalism when it's moby dick but gets triggered over Infinite Jest because it's post-postmodern.
This is a midwit board.

>>24798621
> you're just a tard.
Sorry bro, my name isn't David Faggot Wallace

>>24795542
They usually have great advice on how to kill themselves, at least give them that credit.

>>24795788
literally the opposite.

>>24798652
You can't even spell his name.

Have any of you faggots in this thread actually read the fucking book?
Why is it so controversial and don't be a nigger.

>>24798806
I have.
It's super fucking long and convoluted with footnotes and shit.
I liked the story about tennis but didn't give a shit about literally 2/3 of the fucking book.
It's a solid ok.
I think the spergs on here shit on it because they don't have the attention span to finish it and it's about postmodernism which triggers rightoids.

>>24798806
The guy my ex wife cheated on me with had a copy of it that he brought every where with him and never finished reading

>>24798827
>never finished reading
kek

>>24798806
David Foster Wallace is like the nuclear bomb to the current alt-right movement.
They weaponize irony to criticize irony and his whole project is flattening all of it into sincerity.
That's why.

>>24798873
this. always cringe when i see chuds dunk on postmodernism then post ironic basedjak memes to criticize critical theory
it never ends.

>>24798895
What gets me are the faggots who bastardize the word fascism by aligning it politically left and then claiming leftists are arguing in bad faith by pointing out Hitler wasn't a communist but a national socialist.
Wallace was right in that identities are performative but political identities online are even bigger bullshit.

>>24798906
i think the problem is society has left men behind but the right always assumes the solution is a return to tradition/pre-modernity and lefties are just condescending snowflakes who shit on men for just wanting to work hard and have a family.
both things can be true

>>24798789
If you're not willing to care enough about others to at least try to make yourself attractive to them, then expecting praise from those same people comes across as narcissistic. Don't expect people to respect your opinions when you show up in unwashed hair and crocs. It's not all about you.

>>24798914
Yeah but one of those opinions helps my in-group succeed and the other doesn't. I'd be an idiot not to take advantage of the other side's stupidity while downplaying the stupidity of my own. If I end up feeling hypocritical, I just remind myself that the other side is full of easy-to-dehumanize monster demons that will destroy society through their stupid malice. So it's okay to be cruel to them and operate on different layers of logic, actually. Anyone saying otherwise is trying to use clever wordplay to make my side lose.
Why is it that the bad guys in political cartoons almost always look like nazi depictions of "degenerates"?

>>24798914
> the right always assumes the solution is a return to tradition/pre-modernity
Everytime I see that """solution""" incessantly parroted in right-wing spaces I heartily laugh because I'm forever reminded of Yukio Mishima: a man who was the literal embodiment of traditionalist ideals and fervant rejection of modernity, and a deeply closeted homosexual that died an extremely violent, agonizing death.
Yukio was the absolute apex of the conservative "reject modernity" ideal, and look where that lead him.

>>24798978
*led him

>>24798978
You touched on something here: politically-minded people seem to portray subconsciously much of what they hate. It's why you see so many hateful supremacists on the left and so many degenerates on the right. Whenever someone infected with political brainrot talks at you about "empathy", "decency", etc., it's just a cover for the things they hate about themselves. Like verbal self-flagellation.

I am left wing on all issues but I think that the holocaust was a good idea that has never been tried. What is weird about me liking critical theory?

>>24795522 (OP)
>Name a bigger failure
Anyone ITT who hasn't published a bestselling novel.

>>24799266
Cringe contrarian desperate to be unique, somehow.

>>24798806
It’s really good if you’re a reader who likes to think and find their own meaning in the ways the chapters can apply to you. It has fun sections, humorous sections, and meaningful sections. Remember that it’s a lot easier to hate on something that filters you than it is to praise something you like. So when you see something like IJ garner this much hatred you can tell that it filters the /lit/ midwits that don’t actually like to read and just like to pretend to be intelligent.

>>24798873
>They weaponize irony to criticize irony and his whole project is flattening all of it into sincerity.
DFW couldn't survive in this environment because these things tend to be cyclical, like haircuts fashionable circa 1997 and something you wouldn't be caught dead with circa 2004 are now coming back in fashion with zoomers.

Short of truly one-of-a-kind styles that were seen in the 1970s, you really can't make fun of a hairstyle and have it be seen the same way consistently.

>>24795571
kill yourself

>>24799592
The alternation between sincerity and irony IS metamodernity Anon.
Of course it's a cycle. And he pioneered it.
Hate him all you like he basically predicted clown world.

>>24799436
This.
It's a cliche but IJ is for smart people. It triggers dumbasses because they flunked English for
>why did the author say the curtains were blue to signify sadness/loss?
IJ is another dimension to them.

>>24799436
>you can tell that it filters the /lit/ midwits that don’t actually like to read and just like to pretend to be intelligent.
Lol. It's probably the poster child for books that people only read to feel intelligent. Your own post and >>24799907
are yet another exhibit in a multitude of evidence.

>>24799919
Have you read it?

>>24799929
Cope you know I'm right

>>24799977
I'll take that as a no.

>>24800059
>>24799977

>>24800089
>Still hasn't read the book.
I accept your concession.

>>24800097
>can't address the point
Average IJ intellectual

>>24800153
>Debating a book he didn't read.

>>24795522 (OP)
>failure
It may have failed then because ultimately though the detached irony and postmodern cynicism was prevalent in all mediums in DFW's time, it hadn't reached criticial mass, as it is starting to now. We will see the rise of new sincerity in the next 5-10 years.

>>24800207
>thinks I need to debate the book itself to point how it's primarily championed as an intellectual status symbol

>>24800234
Well yeah your view is shallow because you didn't read the book.
You're judging it by the cover.

Kinda sad that in 15 years this guy is still gonna be here, trying to dunk on people with the lone, paltry accomplishment of having "completed" infinite jest.
>no, I've read Dickens too!
yes, you've read dickens too. that's very nice.

Th

>>24800302
Infinite Jest isn't read it's an experience.

>>24800310
Yes, tell us again about how you read page 287! Your story truly moves me.

>>24800331
It's actually around 980 pages not including footnotes.

>>24800346
No, I meant for you to regale us with your experience of page 287 in particular! Your journey is an adventure I often tell to my children at night to inspire them.

>>24800355
The book is not about memorizing passages or summarizing the plot.
It's about challenging our assumptions. You should have paid more attention in English class.

>>24800362
Who said anything about plot summaries or memorizing passages? I'm saying the story you often tell of your experience immersed in page 287 of Infinite Jest brings me to tears. It's a triumph of humanity, really.

>>24800367
Uh oh, I broke him.

>>24800374
I'm surprised it took you this many posts, honestly. I mistook you for a sharp guy

>>24800376
No I'm actually not very intelligent.
But I finished IJ and understood. So you must be even dumber by comparison Anon.

>>24800386
>I'm actually not very intelligent
And there it is.

Hold this

>>24800396
No, that isn't fair. You're taking me out of context.

>>24800396
>>24800401
>He doesn't understand Infinite Jest.
kek

>>24800407
because you've admitted to not being intelligent, let's pause on that fact for a few moments.
it's very likely you haven't heard of this due to your disability, but there's this thing known as "the sunken cost fallacy". it's used to describe an instance where someone overinflates the value of something worthless because of the time they've spent on it. you have fallen squarely into this trap, my dear dizard.

>>24800426
I disagree because Infinite Jest is a well known novel.

>>24800429
>You don't understand! I was only pretending to be retarded!

>>24800435
I'm a retard who grasps IJ.
You're just a retard.

Bret Easton Ellis was right about him

>>24800461
whatd he say?

>>24800509
>DFW is a terrible writer, his penis small, his breath stinks, and he can't even fathom how based/red pilled I am. Fuck irony.

>>24800509
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/sep/06/bret-easton-ellis-david-foster-wallace

self consciously writing in an attempt to start a literary movement in response to another literary movement you don't like has to be one of the least sincere things possible

>>24800530
So you didn't understand Infinite Jest?

>dis nigga got two whole threads sucking infinite jest dick
lmao sad

>>24800533
i dont read losers who kill themselves

>>24800562
It does explain his self-destructive posts in every thread vaguely related to IJ

>>24800562
Why are you dissing Mein Kampf?

>>24800574
We're all self-destructing through entertainment and addiction and loneliness.
I think that's sincere.

>>24800703
gay

>>24795522 (OP)
It wasn't a failure, it was always meant to be ironic.

>>24796340
>Niggerbabble
Literally 3 pages out of 1000. You are retarded.

>>24801641
I thought that storyline goes on for a bit longer desu

>>24798966
Are you being ironical? it looks like a sincere post about why you act like that, but if you think about it it's a shit tribal reason not to think things properly. I guess if you're feeling so attacked in your country you have to come up with bullshit to defend yourself, though place to be in, it's psychological warfare, you're saying lies too doesn't matter the objective, it's not good for your mind long-term even though you think you're playing your part for your "in-group".

>>24800530
man, I'm not on anyone's side but this speaks so hard to me and is easily overlooked.

this faggot tries to prove something is wrong by doing it himself, but I'm somewhat disgusted because I already agreed with him, I don't get him. Like yes I don't like it, so stop writing ironically to prove the point?
>but that's the point!
yeah right, what's the next part in his master plan, resurrection?

but no joking I'm still gonna read infinite jest, I'm reading his essays rn

>>24795529
His books were decent-to-good. His stories were good-to-excellent, and his non-fiction was all-around terrific.

>>24798914
>i think the problem is society has left men behind
It hasn't, though, despite how much urbanized feminists and reactionary alt-righters dream that it has. There are plenty of remunerative careers that literally rely on traditionally masculine traits, and other careers that don't look down on actual masculinity (as opposed to performative PUA/incel-style cringe masculinity). Outside of the insular twitterati and academic world men who just do things successfully instead of whining have their picks of partners. Even in those worlds they do alright.

>>24801041
So ironic bro! XD
Fuck sincerity I'm not like those other 4channers!

>>24801772
Sincerity is gay
Insincerity is also gay
Do nothing, say nothing.
Don't try.
I want you to sit at your computer and blankly stare at your screen for the next 5 minutes.
Think.

>>24801793
You use gay as if it's an insult or something.
I think you should turn your screen off before you stare into so you get a good grasp of the reflection that's staring back.
It's cynical, lonely, and deeply insecure.

>>24801815
And I think you should stop being so gay
Lol!!!

i dont get how fucked up you have to be to think about doing things sincerely or insincerely are you guys incapable of just making stuff because you like it? fucking mentally ill spazes stop thinking so much

>>24801825
Gottem! xD
I'm so anxious and depressed pleased notice desu.
>Can't get laid either?? >.>
Do women like guys that read? Any good books that aren't faggy?

>>24801828
>stop thinking
No.

>>24801828
the problem isnt the thinking. the problem is they want everyone else to see them thinking.

>>24801857
Of course thoughts should be seen and discussed.
Why should we censor ideas and dialect to convenience people who want conventions to stay relevant because they dislike the reality that they could be wrong?
This is what real education is about. Not job training or economic output.
Have a little backbone.

>>24801721
His nonfiction was the absolute worst part of his work. He should have been burned alive for the cruise ship essay.

>>24801857
Much Like David Wallace

>>24801862
Did you read the version in Harpers, or the longer version in the book?

Anyways, ASFTINDA is great regardless. The longer one is better though because of how well he sets up the toilet joke.

>>24795529
might not have had anything to do with his books

>>24801857
>>24801850
the problem is the thinking it presumes you are an alienated cartesian subject who has no involvement with the world and can get a second order perspective on your relationship with things.
You can't understand yourself fully or your desires or anything, only by to some extent acting out on your passions and responding to things without thinking it through can you actually see who you are and process yourself in relation with that.

If you only allow yourself to act in accord with ways you can think you are basically just limiting your action to thoughts you've already thought, it's basically just being a programmed sheeple retard. I don't care how sophisticated or complex your thinking is, who you are is fundamentally mysterious to you and you can only work it out by being responsive to your actual experiences and not forcing everything into the categories you already have.
literally just stop being neurotic fags just do shit

>>24801721
>his non-fiction was all-around terrific
>Authority and American Usage
Maybe not ALL around

>>24801951
I have had the misfortune of being forced to also read the book version by someone who was offended by me hating the Harpers version.

>>24801858
Look, we all have our little vanities. I'm not begrudging people for wanting to he seen as "a smart man." I'm just saying when it gets taken to such an extreme that we start doing the whole "to even discuss the point is missing the point" eastern zen bullshit routine, we're firmly in brainrot territory.
>>24802029
I don't disagree or agree. I think it's important for people to let the mystery of the world be mysterious, and I think people need to spend less time in the clouds; but I do think it's important to reflect on our actions and beliefs. We just need to be honest when we do that and not descend into the mindpit of navel gazing when we do it. I ate too much cake because I'm a fat greedy fuck with a sweet tooth. Not because I'm a neutered male living in a post-ironic corporate atomization matrix.

>>24798332
Wash your penis

>>24802124
>We just need to be honest when we do that
Most anons are not honest, you get shitflinging retards that never address your point. But i like your spirit.

>>24801721
>just do things successfully

An entire paragraph building up to and bitching about how men have the world in the palm of their hands. Just to fuck over your own point at the very end with a non sequitur.

Very educated.

Very structured and well thought out thinking.

Very critical and knowledgeable.

You don't happen to be college ejukated'd?

If 98% of the people in this thread are smoking as much weed that i think they're smoking, they need to move on to crack and be done with it.
Stoners are obnoxious.

>>24802029
A large part of the book is that participation in social institutions shape the type of agency we engage with in the first place.
Take as much action as you like but you're just performing a role like Hal or John Wayne. You aren't above the condition of postmodernity no matter how condescending you are toward critical thinking.
Believe it.

>>24802124
Then that's actually your own insecurity.
If engaging with IJ makes you panic that people in the room have a higher IQ than you, then have the humility to either learn something or go engage with easier material with like-minded peers who want answer rather than exploration.

>>24802743
nigga I don't even know what you are talking about you are just a fag
I make a bunch of art, i literally wouldn't even know what making it ironically or post ironically or whatever would even mean. I didn't go to college and dropped out of HS so i maybe escaped the mind raping trauma that turns people into such impotent dweebs
Even the idea of "i'm performing a role" requires getting some like absolute grasp of myself no one is capable of, this is literally just all made up college you can only teach in academia.

People projecting their mind raped neurosis as the only possible way of being is really funny though.
Im just better than you

>>24802761
That's a cool story bro.
But you still haven't read the book.

>>24802767
i don't read faggots who killed themselves i already said and I'm never going to

what role did he play when he shot himself, cry baby faggot who is so sad he just can't be alive! im in le post modern condition i need to take ssris then blow my head off because just reality is so hard!!
im gonna be like a character in a movie or listen to the cure and feel complicated and edgy and project my issues to be giant social issues instead of just me being a gay pussy faggot afraid of doing stuff.

god when he killed himself do you think he imagined himself as a movie character or a character for literature or playing some role holy shit imagine how embarressing that must have been.. Wow this is finally it... I've come too far I hve no other options.. the jew ssri pills aren't helping... i'm gonna end it it will be my dramatic moment. I will be looked at like kurt cobain... the artist taken young... people will think im kino and gay boys will look up to me as they fantasize about suicide to escape from their own cowardice as well...

can you imagine how fucking gay he was when he did it ha ha ha ha

self consciously considering your suicide as how it will impact your perception as a literary and pop culture figure you know he did this and it was not a small part of his desire to kill himself

the main role he played was pretending to be straight

>>24802768
>i don't read
Ftfy.

>>24802777
you know the majority of authors/philosophers didn't kill themselves right? People who claim to have some understanding of things if they are at all correct usually don't undermine it by showing "staying alive and eating and doing basic human animal functions" are just too difficult for them.

>>24802779
Who cares if they killed themselves or not?
Suicide isn't some moral failure. It's usually a product of mental illness.
I think a lack of critical thinking and emotional intelligence on your part is what judges the work of someone else through their demise.
Probably why you couldn't finish high school.
You lack the spunk to finish things and take on the weight of something possibly larger than you.
You're a coward if anything.

>>24802776
This nigga having a melty

just realized he strongly identified with kurt cobain and literally styled himself to look like him
>Many people have observed that Wallace’s trademark look—the bandana, lank hair, and stubble that appear in his author photos, and made him one of the most recognizable writers of his time—evoked the grunge style of Kurt Cobain, the lead singer of Nirvana, whose suicide in 1994 was a mythic moment for Generation X. When Lipsky, who was profiling Wallace for Rolling Stone, asked him the obligatory questions about his taste in music, he described Cobain’s songs as “absolutely incredible. But unbelievably painful. I mean if you, you know, all the stuff that I was groping in a sorta clumsy way to say about our generation? Cobain found, Cobain found incredibly powerful upsetting ways to say the same thing.”
lmaoooooooo
killed himself because he wanted to be like kurt cobain after coping his style

>>24802785
suicide is the greatest moral failure, you have literally no idea what mental illness is if you think that means anything in this context.
here's a good author on it
>Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence; the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men; as far as he is concerned he wipes out the world. His act is worse (symbolically considered) than any rape or dynamite outrage. For it destroys all buildings: it insults all women. The thief is satisfied with diamonds; but the suicide is not: that is his crime. He cannot be bribed, even by the blazing stones of the Celestial City. The thief compliments the things he steals, if not the owner of them. But the suicide insults everything on earth by not stealing it. He defiles every flower by refusing to live for its sake. There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is not a sneer. When a man hangs himself on a tree, the leaves might fall off in anger and the birds fly away in fury: for each has received a personal affront. Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act. There often are for rape, and there almost always are for dynamite. But if it comes to clear ideas and the intelligent meaning of things, then there is much more rational and philosophic truth in the burial at the cross-roads and the stake driven through the body, than in Mr. Archer’s suicidal automatic machines. There is a meaning in burying the suicide apart. The man’s crime is different from other crimes—for it makes even crimes impossible.

>>24802788
Why do you want me to debate that suicide isn't a moral failure?
Also who said anything about sin lol.

>>24802792
holy shit you are legitimately retarded my condolences, pretending to read DFW must be rough for you i guess you are trying though

>>24802795
Feel free to elaborate but you haven't made a strong point beside,
>Suicide is evil.
>DFW is a bad person.
I wouldn't say there's much complexity of reasoning going on there.
Are you religious?

>>24802796
you are not capable my brother i would recommend getting into some physical hobbies like wood working, pottery, or music

>>24802799
Is that the kind of art you make? Show us some of your work.
It's also sort of ironic you used a religious argument to debate DFW's suicide because in the book there's parts about submitting yourself to a higher power.
Which is ironic given the author was open to higher power/worship but died by suicide anyway.

just realized all the shit about postmodernity and people roleplaying is because retards are being let into college and scammed into taking philosophy courses they have 0 chance of actually understanding and rather than admit they are just not that bright they assume everyone has imposter syndrome and is role playing, because otherwise they would have to admit they are just role playing they aren't that smart, can't do philosophy and got scammed
>>24802800
I am not joking for your own sake please get out of this idea you are any kind of an intellectual or have any inclination or capability to be one. You think everyone is a fraud because your identity is fraudulent.

>>24802805
Nah, I'm going to keep engaging with ideas you're unfamiliar with and fearful of.
Accommodating you would be a sin of the highest order in supplanting your ignorance with something less ignorant.

>>24802809
please just make sure you have some kind of physical hobby to counterbalance these delusions you will be much better for it. Like I said music, pottery, woodworking, gardening would be good just anything like that it's good for everyone but you need it more than others.

I think the Left is being Post-Ironic Sincere

>>24802812
Why?
Am I going to die if I think too much?
What are you so afraid of Anon?

>>24802815
you are already dead

>>24802813
>tries mashing it into TP
>just plays basedjaks farting on each other crying out "based!" sexually
Write this down!
WRITE THIS DOWN!

>>24802818
Uh oh.

>>24802818
Oh so this is hell. That makes sense.

>>24801846
Dude, do you honestly think we should change our use of language to come across as less "insecure", because the usage of the word gay on the internet is largely disconnected from homophobia, even if it originated there.

>>24802743
You didn't address anything I actually said...

>>24798311
What a beautiful post

>>24802613
It really isn't that hard to stop paying much mind to idiots and just going your own way. What do you need from the rest of the 'establishment' anyways?

>>24803283
I'm not spoon feeding you answers.
Go read it again and then connect how that relates to your post.

>>24803265
Well you do sound like that.
If it makes you cringe then stop.

>>24803338
Samefag.

>>24802558
>>24803283
Told you.

>>24803504
>People never address my point because I can't read or think fir myself.
Meds.

>>24803435
I was simply giving a commendation to a post I found nice, if you think the only positivity one can give is to themselves, then sure.

>>24798299
he's a boomer. would be 63 today.

>>24803676
See,
>>24798321

>>24803819
Wrong quote

>>24803846
You replied to the reply that reply was replying to.

>>24803854
Did you not mean? >>24803540
If so I don't know what your point is.

>>24803864
You have to go further up the chain to the reply I referenced to seeing in,
>>24803819
And then going back down again.

>>24803868
"You have to go further up the chain [of] the reply I [referenced in],
>>24803819
And then [go] back down again."
yrou'e... walmcom

>>24803898
>Wants others to read the thread for him.
Let me guess, you haven't read Infinite Jest.

>>24803906
Oh that's what you're mad about okay
I agree with both of you I was just complimenting his post.

>>24803929
Yeah because you're a samefag.

>>24804088
Ah, that explains it. Have a good day.

>>24804088
And now we're back to square one. Good day.

>>24804144
>but anon, my point
>doesnt have one
>quits

>>24804160
basedjak.jpeg

>>24804160
No I get the last message I can't have you look correct.

>>24804173
I am correct because you never had a point in the first place.
Prove me wrong.
In your next post just state your thesis. No links to other posts, no bullshit.
Just make it.

>>24804176
Okay, I will post my thesis

>>24804188
Is that it?
Well that's disappointing.

>>24804192
No, there's more

>>24804200
I'm scared.

>>24804205
Prepare your anus

>>24804217
Where is it Anon?

>>24804220
One moment

>>24804223
So no point?

>>24804232
Well alright smart guy why don't you state YOUR thesis then.

>>24804242
Read Infinite Jest first.

>>24804253
Before what?

>>24804255
Discussing the book.

>>24804260
That seems pretty reasonable.

>>24804262
Why are you fucking insulting me?

>>24804263
I'm sowwy

>>24804263
You're right, I've been pretty rude. Pwease forgive my intrusion.

>>24804280
I have a confession.
I'm not the original person you were responding to.
I just larped because I'm gay.
You're welcome.

>>24802788
holy fuck this niggas still having a melty in here

>>24804284
Wtf I got trol
Cheers, I thought you were legitimately autistic, good to know.

>>24804288
No I just dropped in like a penis inside a hooker.

>>24804289
kek

>>24802818
Nani!?

>>24796268
kek you and me both lil nig hang in there

>>24803540
Are you retarded? Its not hard to keep track.

>>24804535
Not only are you pointless you haven't read the book.
Cope.

Test(icles)

>>24795522 (OP)
The Great Reset

Is Infinite Jest a book for douchebags?

>>24805743
Douchebags don't read

>>24795522 (OP)
If DFW is such a failure, why does 4chan lit keep resurrecting him? As for me, his nonfiction is better than his fiction.

>>24805743
Only person I personally know who's read it is pretty kind and well-mannered.

>>24795522 (OP)
The concept of new sincerity as a literary movement is self defeating, you can’t force sincerity or authenticity because as soon as you do it stops being those things.

>>24807630
Yup. I refused to believe DFW didn't realize this

>>24807630
It's not forced at all actually if you read the book.
You just find yourself in so much ironic recyrsion your cynic muscle explodes and you feel something different.
It's a hard book because you have to keep up with everything going on to "get" it. Otherwise you just get lost in the "slice of life" rhetoric.

>>24807929
>recursion*

>>24805561
I don't know what you mean when it's very clearly ongoing. Unless you mean in particular the cryptocurrency panopticon CBDC digital asset "you vill own nozink" aspect, which I would still argue is building up.

>>24796191
and then he wept, for their were no more societies left to subvert

>>24795522 (OP)
I haven't read any DFW and the sneer-down-the-nose smuggery from some of his acolytes in here might inhibit me from doing so.

>>24808456
You wouldn't get it anyway.

>>24808553
So ironic

>>24808597
Have you read the book?
Because judging it without reading is the real irony.
Or were you trying to be sincere?