Thread 24797741

When Anon's Novel Fails Time Travel To Try Again Edition

Stubbed >>24788097

>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNZali-jIk2MASsAWVf8N7A8BlSyzPbAFV_BhsA5Ip3SWfMPWKxaXf8Pdb7f0TgFyWis31BzirtPeR/pubhtml


>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Embed] [Embed]

Recommended web novels
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Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
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first for writing goon seshions with ai chat bots

When I get stuck writing I make the next paragraph a sex scene between the characters and write 500 words of fucking. Then I erase it all and get back to the real scene. I find this works well.

>>24797793
You should save it, never know when it will come in handy. It's not like you need to ration storage.

>>24797721
i live in literal third world country so something like 1k usd is already far above average wage. i wonder how hard it is to reach that kind of patreonbux

>>24797809
Really hard. That doesn't mean it isn't worth trying though. $1k USD isn't beyond your grasp. I live in Canada so I'd need a lot more, which will never happen.

>>24797809
>i live in literal third world country
Third worlders should just sign their rights away to the chinks at webnovel.com. Guaranteed few hundred dollars a month.

>>24797809
doesn't need to be pure patreonbux, you can make quite a lot on amazon too. 500/500 a month is quite doable so long as you're writing to market, have high output, and are at least ok at writing sloppa

>>24797853
>at least ok at writing sloppa
That should go without saying. Honestly we should rename it to web sloppa general since we keep getting people in here every thread who don't get it.

>>24797741 (OP)
finally, it's time for some shameless self promoting!

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/114439/the-fallen-prince-is-now-a-time-traveler-aeonalize/chapter/2669207/20--ailill-5

>>24797870
Added to spreadsheet in OP.

>Ad looks like this
Is this the best way to get clicks? I like it.

>>24797888
hurray!

>>24797793
one either loves writting sex scenes or dresds writting sex scenes. There's no inbetween.

>>24797870
> Prince
> Female Lead
> No gender bender tag
Huh? I sense a trap.

>>24797751
I have exhausted all of my goonslop ideas that are AI compatible(remaining tastes are too esoteric). I hope that this will get me to start writing actual content again.

>>24797809
And this is why third worlders will take over the art world.

I think my story just sucks and my attempts to go back and add things just makes it worse overall and snuffs out that spark of amateurish enthusiasm.

>>24797941
Do I look like I would I ever lie to you, anon?

>>24797957
Are you pubbing it or still editing it? Generally the best thing you can do for a story is finish it.

>>24797975
Editing.

>>24797870
nice saggy tits, who's the artist I like their saggy tits style

>>24797853
>amazon
Qrd in making winnies on Amazon ?

>>24797983
I draw these myself

>>24798011
You'd have to ask Akaso, nobody else from ehre made it that far I think

>most successfull wng writer is making 4k/month
>2nd most succesfull is making 250/month
grim
why is the gap so big between the 1st guy and everyone else

>>24798122
He writes smut.

>>24798137
>>24798122
Yeah it's the smut, he writes smut. Same for wutosama's Metaworld Chronicles/Animecon Harem, you never hear about it but it makes bux because it's smut

>>24798122
>grim
Akaso had irl problems which hurt his growth. But the vast majority of /wng/ is just starting out. So keep that in mind when you look at FortySixtyFour, he's been posting consistently for six years when the market was nowhere near as tough as it was. Not wanting to downplay his achievements but it just is what it is, web novels are going mainstream now.

>>24798192
nta
You make a good point. I could add start and end dates on the spreadsheet.

>>24798203
I think that's necessary so anons don't spiral out of control. If I bake the next bread I might add that Web Novels are going mainstream, and thus it's a lot more tough now.

I'm making a WN like Monster girl evolution but instead being the monster girl, you raise them from eggs->ducks/swans->monster girl. the main premise is slice of life usagi drop daughter raising simulator style in not-isekai world.

picrelated are the two main heroines character design

top is the ugly duckling character, Odile (tentative name). - is very greedy, possessive and insecure
bottom is the golden swan character, Odette (tentative name).- is very genki, airheaded and likes shiny/golden things

thoughts? this is my attempt at making up something Japanese and i'm cringing already

>>24798209
and yes they are very loosely based on swan lake

>>24797751
i prefer to read fictionalized goon sessions created by actual human webnovel authors. no need for slopbots when there is more written smut on the internet than you can get through in a lifetime. unless you have super niche autistic fetishes

>>24798209
So it's like digimon?

>>24798209
will the daughterus be dicked?

>>24797904
stick figure and meme ads are part of the RR meta.
but generic AI generated images with words about OP MC are also meta (many authors even mention not especially liking ads like that but doing them anyways because they can see the referral stats and how well it works) because the median reader on this site is a fucking retard

>>24798144
animecon harem was less famous and less patreonbux earning than re trailer trash from the same author. it's currently on hiatus though

>>24798122
>>24798137
>>24798144
who's the 4k smut baron?

>>24798229
>unless you have super niche autistic fetishes
Can you really call yourself a true gooner if you haven't entered the Peerless Kink Realm?

>>24798209
>usagi drop daughter raising simulator
in which volume do you plan to begin the daughtercest arc

>>24798037
based

>>24798209
Odile mating press

>>24798209
How are you going to handle the wings getting in the way of everyday life

>>24798209
Make sure to include lots of chapters where the characters have to pass massive eggs. Maybe a chapter where they hold hands and comfort one another as they each lay one. Thanks.

>MC's ai assistant lady constantly degrades the protag and is constantly talking about how much more attractive his best friend is
Is the author just inserting his cuck fetish?

>>24798357
>author just inserting his cuck fetish
How new are you?

>>24798122
>>24798144
That does it. I'm gonna start writing a smut magic college litrpg. Everyone's gonna love it.

Is the spreadsheet AI reviews anon still around? I'm still waiting for that sheet.

>>24798370
Which sheet?

>>24798363
You need an original hook to set it apart from all the others

>>24798229
what about smut novels and not web ones? im trying to get into them but reading female perspective ones is aids, very gay coded desu

>>24798363
Call it 'Dongmancy 101'

>>24798380
iykyk

>>24798396
>what about smut novels and not web ones?
There's not much written for a male audience in the English market but you can read translated pornographic light novels.

>Read western harem story
>The girls are all used goods and also bisexual with each other
Really?

>>24798410
reading cumslut by b sojakken right now but its female perspective first person, scared it will turn me gay

>>24798421
Well what kind of girl would want to be in a harem with some guy they just met?

>>24798421
>I want a pure virgin girl who is also okay with marrying/hooking up with a guy who has three other girlfriends
???

>>24798515
t. sub 8 male.

>>24798526
That's the blackpill, Jimmy.

>>24790858
>>24790460
Alright i'll bite, what are you two writing about?

>>24798570
A whale that jumps out of it's tail.

I'm going to color code the durations of how long someone (has) worked on their story. What should the colors and divisions be? It could be as simple as less than a year and more than a year, or as much as a different color for each amount of years.

>>24798624
I think the best divisions would be monthly and yearly. So if its under a year, it should be green (and this should be the big division, because there are so many fics that are like 2 months, a month or like a week old on /wng/). A year of work could be yellow, 2 years orange, 3 years red, 4 years purple, 5 years blue, 6 years gold, etc.

>>24797741 (OP)
Should the author spreadsheet be sorted by Followers or Status? It's currently sorted by Followers. Status would prioritize ongoing series (including stubbed) then by follower count.

https://strawpoll.com/QrgewQV1ryp

>>24798673
status prioritizing would be more convenient

Another Anonymous Amateur, The author of Glass Cannon — The wind blows me away but my spells destroy everything, https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/132697, has deleted their story. They had 34 followers. They also deleted their profile. https://www.royalroad.com/profile/745943

>>24798766
This was also deleted by them:
Transmigrated as a mech, I now fight Kaiju Another Anonymous Amateur Completed 14 followers

I could look in the archive to see when they posted about it first for a rough duration, but that's low priority.

>>24798766
What?! Fucking why?! I didn't download it or read it yet.

>>24798776
They mentioned that something bad happened irl before Glass Cannon started. Which destroyed their motivation to continue writing it.

>>24798776
Shame because it was really, really good, and he was an exceptionally nice guy.

RRs ui is so bad. Why can't I see followers, views etc on the books own page?

Can someone explain me why ORV is this highly rated? I read approximately 230 chapters and it has been really bland with only a few moments that feel fresh...

Will it get better? If yes why? Did I miss something?

>>24798766
>>24798787
Oh. That sucks. I hope they manage to get through whatever happened well enough.

>>24798808
what the fuck is ORV? Why can't you niggas just type out the full name so we actually know what you're talking about?

>>24798766
That's sad. I remember them being in the thread and asking for advice, and input. Hope they come out alright.

65 Amazon sales for Born Under a Black Sun. 35 of those from one day. Reddit advertising is the way

>>24798837
Congrats man, very admirable.

>>24798837
Yeah. There's not really any point advertising here, lol. This site is very niche.

>>24798209
>monster girl evolution
Yikes.

Does it get better or is MEOW just bad?
It's popular enough on RR/highly rated enough to be in the bracket where the authors are usually competent but it's so dull.
I get that it's being sold as "cozy slice of life" but there's very little actual life going on in what I've read. I've read plenty of SoL and know what makes the good ones tick and it's missing here.
Maybe I should take literally no negative reviews as a warning from now on, idk.

>>24798794
so you stop sperging out about numbers and just read

>>24798252
Yeah with that author everyone's been begging them for years to drop everything and just write Trailer Trash and they won't do it lol

>>24798857
>can see the numbers in serach results, latest updates and rising stars
>can't see them on the books own page
How does this help with sperging out or not sperging out. It's just inconsistent deisgn

>>24798888
you can't see them in latest updates

>>24798766
It was in my backlog...
>>24798817
>Will it get better?
For me, it was good from the start, so idk what to tell you, anon. Sometimes there are novels you don't click with.
>>24798808
>What the fuck is ORV?
How don't you know ORV? I'll tell you just this time, even if you didn't ask nicely, the novel is called "Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint".
>Why can't you niggas just type out the full name so we actually know what you're talking about?
I agree with your statement though, even if typing every time the full name of "That one time I reincarnated as a black man in an NTR novel, but why does my mother look at me like that? ~This life I'll gather a harem, starting with my big sister~", its better to do it than to not do it imo.
>>24798853
>MEOW
Like, how am I expected to know what the fuck MEOW is?

>>24798921
Meow isn't an abbreviation

>>24798842
Only retards advertise here
Leaving the fact that most of the userbase are zoomers who don't read, the chances of catching a sperg that will try to doxx or tank your story is very high

>>24798926
See, if we didn't do abbreviations, I wouldn't have made that mistake because we just type the full title every time.

>>24798766
Damn. Sad to see. I hope the author is doing alright

>>24798588
Holy shit!

>>24798921
I don't care or bother with Webnovel web novels.

>>24798817
this is a general for web novel readers. if you don't know the acronyms of the major serials then go google it or at a very minimum shut the fuck up
when did anons get so brazen and indignant about being newfags? sad state of affairs

>>24798588
I will now read your story

The completed fanfiction, The Burning City (Touhou), by conmal has been deleted, as has their profile. I do have to wonder if it's because of the spreadsheet.

>>24798973
I thought better of my peers to read anything from Webnovel of all places. Reading through ORV is just giving me chronic turbo whiplash by its writing and lack of dialogue tags. But hey, if it makes you happy, don't let me stop you from diluting the development and refinement of your own writing.

Thought of an idea for a litrpg based on another one of my favorite games being fucked relentlessly by braindead gorilla nigger devs
>Litrpg world with classes and stats but also has constant changes made by the gods of the world that are given out via prophetic words (patch notes) to the priestly caste
>Changes are completely nonsensical and can take upwards of decades for an issue the gods introduced in a previous patch to be resolved
>Monster strength and spawns being increased because the gods felt like the world wasn't challenging enough, laws of physics randomly changing to "shake up the meta", entire sections of the world disappearing because they were outdated so they'll supposedly be updated sometime in the future (they never are)
>They recommend that you send feedback to the priests, which does nothing
>Priestly caste defend the retarded design decisions to their dying breath
>Main character was born into a shitty class that's considered a joke class but was added in as a "fun challenge"
>Managed to make it actually useful via some exploit
>Gods take notice of him, "fix" the class exploit and reset him to level 1 as an example
Anyone can take this or not, I'm not using and and just venting

>>24799007
/Wng/ authors just... self destruct often.

>>24799013
i dont read eastern slop. but im not a newfag so i know the major stories over there. bitching about not knowing acronyms when the acronym is common in the space is ultimate newfag behavior, and you did it loudly and proudly. kys

>Personal quality that was previously thought immutable actually can be changed.
Is this concept actually a trap? Because there's a lot of shitty "power to do everything MC" and solo leveling clone stories that are essentially some variation of this.

>>24799055
A trap how?
It's not very original but it clearly works as an appealing hook to sloppa readers. Everyone likes the MC feeling super duper special. It's power fantasy after all

A considerable amount of these Inactive are that the author didn't change the status to Completed or Abandoned. It's a mystery why not Completed since it says Final Chapter or Epilogue on several.

Is the web novel community just a group of people guilting each other into buying their dreck so the same $5 is just endlessly circulating?

>>24799066
no it's people who like to read

>>24799066
where did you get this bizarre idea? the author and reader communities are pretty separate.

An author's profile page lists their total number of unique followers, so for those with multiple stories, you can get an idea of how much their followers overlap between all of them.

>>24799029
Go for it, looks fun.

>>24799040
I've been here since the first /wng/ thread, and the first /wg/ thread...

>>24799087
you're still a newfag to webfic, what this thread is explicitly for, if you don't know what ORV is. i don't even try to keep up with webnovel sloppa and i know what it is. it's probably in top 5 popular easternslop alongside LOTM and RI

>>24799029
In reality it's more like mages are overpowered for 2 years straight and the devs finally nerf them by 5% and they send death threats and ddos the forums

What kind of villainous force would be good at representing the idea of succumbing to fatalism? The first idea that comes to mind is some kind of strict hierarchical society/government, but something about that feels a little hackish to me.

>>24799100
I've been in the webfic scene since 2019. I just couldn't care less about Chinese or Korean stuff because I don't go to the hellscape that is Webnovels and don't read badly translated ESL works like those on there. In any case, I'm just baffled why OP took 230!!!! chapters to figure out the story was bland, and for me I realized it was bad after reading the first 2 chapters. It's like watching one piece for 900 episodes and asking when it gets good, you know? Also, to answer the original OP's question, Webnovel 's stats are insanely inflated; they deceive you for clicks. I thought that was common knowledge at least.

Guy posts a story for a year, vanishes, and comes back with a single chapter 7 years later. Still has 10 followers. Some of them were probably rather surprised.

>>24799114
>and don't read badly translated ESL
This is really the reason why I don't bother with RI, or ORV either. I want there to be an actual proper translation done before picking it up.
>>24799147
What fic?

>>24799164
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/14117

>>24799104
Fatalism is really just another flavor of nihilism. To succumb to it is to lose all hope of self determination. Soul crushing, but also relieving, in a way. When everything has been decided before you were even a thought, what burden is there to think about what you do?
Imagine a person who wanders through life doing whatever he damn well pleases, for no reason at all. There is no purpose behind his actions, just his moment to moment whims. He could be laughing it up with someone at a bar one moment and cutting their throat out with a beer bottle the next. It wasn't him. He had no choice in the matter. It was destined to happen. If anything, it's divine to listen to the voice of destiny and do its will. And for a hollow man with no voice of his own, destiny has many, conflicting voices with which to direct him.

>>24799029
If everything gets changed randomly then I have no reason to get invested in the worldbuilding.

How do I start writing one of these

Where should I post my story if I'm not writing litRPG, Progression, cultivation etc etc etc basically nothing that is popular in royalroad right now

>>24799227
Wattpad

>>24799223
You open up whatever document you use to write and start writing?

>>24799231
Wattpad is just for fanfics though
>inb4 ackshually you can post original stuff there
I know and nobody fucking reads them

>>24798973
>major serials
it's korean. there are like 2 anons here that have even read it.

inb4 >>24799234

>>24799242
All the smaller ones like Scribblehub and Ao3 are even worse in that regard.

>>24799007
are we allowed to link fanfiction here? I have one.

>>24799066
relatively few people actually buy novels for 5 dollars. it's mostly patreon or kindle unlimited (where people pay amazon 15bux a month and read unlimited books for "free" and then amazon pays out a slice of that 15bux sub to the authors based on how much time was spent in each book)

>>24799259
depends on whether the hotpockets were good this
I know Crow & Rabbit anon actually uploaded their fanfic story to RR when it was previously only on Ao3. There's surprisingly a lot of fanfic on royalroad

>>24799262
no i had to upload to RR first because AO3 had/has an account creation waitlist. I was under the impression that fanfiction was against /lit/ rules which is why I asked.

>>24799262
There's a Warhammer and a Pokemon one in RS. It actually kind of tics me off for some reason. Not only do you have to compete with all the typical isekai/litRPG stuff but also random fanfics.

>>24799258
Grim
I guess I'm just going to dump it on RR and hope for the best, plus my neocities site.
I was planning on making a substack, but unless you already have a following or are a political grifter, you can't get traction there.

>>24799227
You could always try Tapas or Honeyfeed.

>>24799259
Technically no
But as long as no one reports you, the jannies won't do shit

is this motivation for an isekai’d MC (ala reincarnation) relatable to the average RR reader?
>MC is interested in learning magic
>Completely loses interest after learning that magic requires advanced algebra, calculus, and trigonometry pre-log books
>Only manages to power through to learning adept level magic because the most advanced math required for said spells is trigonometry

Are any of you making serious money doing these manga-adjacent webnovels for teenagers?

Are webnovels good

>>24799316
Yes?

>>24799316
>manga-adjacent
What do you mean? Like the ones where they actually say "baka", "killing-intent" and "Hieeee"?
>>24799317
No

>>24799312
Relatable? Maybe, but why would they want to read about their own lives? They want escapism and wish fulfilment. That's why MC's tend to be either OP, murder hobos, geniuses, or they opt-out of everything yet somehow still 'win'.

>>24799316
yes.

>>24799320
>What do you mean?
The OP pic certainly looks manga-adjacent.

>>24799316
Read
>>24798122
Mind you, the guy who's making 4k a month started this 6 years ago, when the market wasn't nearly as saturated as it is today. Also he writes smut

>>24799322
How much you pulling down?

>>24799312
>relatable to the average RR reader?
Is it relatable to /YOU/? Write. What. /YOU/. Want. to READ.

>>24799324
>Mind you, the guy who's making 4k a month started this 6 years ago, when the market wasn't nearly as saturated as it is today. Also he writes smut

if you're talking about me, the local slopbaron, idk why you think i write smut. smut is hard as fuck to make money with in the web serial scene, it would honestly be more impressive. smut makes money with women, not men
tho i guess haremlit does alright
i write pretty regular litrpg stuff, and also i make more than 4k, that was a while ago. ive been on the up and up

Do any of you actually read webnovels?
Which ones?

>>24799323
You are courting death

>>24799325
enough that i dont want to say because schizos could narrow me down
but a good amount, even by usa wage standards

>>24799329
FFF Unlucky Class Antagonist.

>>24799329
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128319/labours-of-zucchini-litrpg-sci-fi
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/117090/the-knight-the-dragon-and-the-necromancer-daert
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42876/how-the-stars-turned-red-slow-sci-fi-space-opera
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/59168/the-undercurrent-saga-hard-sci-fi-space-epic-5
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/22868/after-moses
Sitting on my To Read:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/116627/the-long-journey-with-a-dragon-girl-in-a-foreign
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/43057/birds-of-prey

>>24799329
I like sky pride. The upload schedule isn't ascinine atleaest.

>>24799297
>Tapas
From wikipedia:
>Most of the works on Tapas are in romance and fantasy genres. Tapas reports that around 63% of creators on its service are women and that the majority of its users are women aged 18–24. Around 80% of its works are comics, while the rest are prose.
I don't write romance
>Honeyfeed
Never heard of this one before, qrd?

>>24799329
I only read completed series, or those with several books work of content already written. The whole waiting around for a single new chapter is not for me.

Decided to rewrite my first chapters 22 months later. I asked AI to compared the diffrence and see if it was worth going back just to upgrade the prose and flow.
It told me my jump in skill was like 5 years worth in just 22 months. Felt good and I decided to go ahead and start updating. Out of the 1st volumes 70k words I've got down the first 10k so far.

>>24799326
In that case, I will finally write out the complete outline of my Isekai’d Into My OP Game Character, ala Overlord, EldritchBeat, etc., but the MC suffers a psychotic breakdown and the isekaijins have to deal with the chaos of his meltdown.

>>24799333
I'm going to hunt you down and make you and your empire of slop fall

>>24799333
yes, yes, we know it’s you Meter of Mysteries

>>24798122
So this is like Onlyfans where the vast majority of people end up making basically no money and quit within a few months?

>>24799361
That's always been the case. It's true for all content creators; traditional and digital.

>>24797741 (OP)
I'm finished working on the /wng/ authors spreadsheet until next time.

I have 16 patreons listed. Here's the one's with public earnings.
$4,479
$230.30
$24.45
$4.30
$2.34

The other ones mostly have member count listed and they aren't making really anything at all either.

It's possible I'm missing some stuff. Anyway, time to sleep.

>>24799335
Chad and patrician.

>>24799375
Thank you for the list anon.

>>24798766
RIP BRO.

Lmfao how are people actually earning money through this stuff?
is it Patreon?

>>24799399
Yes?

>>24797256
I did get over that part myself but it honestly just didn't seem very good at all. He fucked and made part of his harem like 4 going women back to back in the row, all of which came together to visit his daughter in their new home. It just didn't feel very interesting at all, afterwards I skipped a big and I learned the series dips into some sci-fi to excuse the NTR and the harem amongst other things and I kinda just lost interest. Maybe it actually gets good after that point. But I gave both that cucked opening and the arc after that a try and it just simply wasn't good.

>>24798357
That's what most series are for

>>24798450
>>24798410
There is no difference between webnovels and Amazon novel slop. Just stop reading gay shit and read some good smut novels for men, there are plenty

>>24799329
I have been reading this and it's been good so far. My only complaint is that the author is way too obsessed with cooking and it's getting tiring to read between all the actually good stuff.
This is basically the western version of the "ruin a romantic comedy" Korean webnovel.

I wonder if you could take this stuff from hiki slop to decent pulp fiction

>>24799415
>names 0 names

>>24799421
>The author is way too obsessed with cooking
Giga. I add my special interest to everything I do too. This looks like goonslop though. Whats it about?

>>24799421
what’s the deal with korean webnovelists naming their bankers something like “Schlomoberg Kikegold”, among other unhinged name schemes?

>>24799422
Tinatroon...

>>24799423
Okay I will spoon-feed you some of them to get you started.
>Font of Fertility
>The Big Tits Club
>Three Square Meals
>Villain: The Play of Destiny
>The Incubus System
>Immortal Only Accepts Female Disciples
Have at it, you can thank me later.
I am not even sure why you are reading gay shit at all. There is plenty of great smut for straight men published in Amazon as well like Harald of Shalia. The ones I included here are just webnovels though, and quite vanilla ones.

>>24799428
It doesn't have any sex so far and it probably won't have any for a while if at all so it's not really goon shit.
It's just the usual Korean formula of getting Isekaid into a webnovel and stealing all the girls. It's actually written half competently though and takes its time so it's quite slow burn. It's no masterpiece don't get me wrong, but it's fun to read a couple of chapters every so often, the characters are pretty decent as well.

>>24798766
>34 followers
lmao git gud

>>24799439
Who

>>24799448
If it's on RR it will never have sex. That's for his patreons or another site if that's where it's going.

>>24799477
I don't mean smut sex, I just mean he hasn't fucked any girl at all period, no fade to black or anything like that yet.
It's pretty obvious this is not going to have any graphic sex at all.

>>24799458
Resident schizo who's obsessed with turning webnovels into the new pulp

>>24799484
Loredump for a newfag, if you will
Also webnovels kind of are the new pulp, sort of. Maybe.

How good does the model of locking smut scenes behind a Patreon work? It seems quite convenient with Joe RR works as well since it doesn't allow that stuff anywyas

>>24799491
>Also webnovels kind of are the new pulp, sort of. Maybe.
Depends
If you mean it in the: lowbrow entertainment for the masses and designed with the intention of getting as much money as possible, sure they are the new pulps
But if you mean it in the: the new Lovecraft, REH, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert Bloch etc etc etc are going to come from them, you're huffing a dangerously high amount of copium

>>24799504
>it doesn't allow that stuff anyways
It does, I've read two detailed alien sex scenes just this week
You just can't write full erotica. Most of the story has to have an actual plot.

>>24799443
Alright I will give some of these a fair shake
> When he opened his eyes he had turned into a demon with a system that would turn him into... A pervert.
>Now he must lived with his dual identity as a model student named Ethan and an incubus named Damian.
Not a great start with ESL already in the blurb but we'll see.
Also not that gay anon.

>>24799526
How do they even measure what's a full erotica then? Is it percentage based?

>>24799530
You should go for one of the top 3, they are the best ones, the top two specifically are favorites of mine

>>24799531
Yes there but I don't think there's an actual number listed anywhere.

>>24799541
Damn, there is this smut story I want to write but I am not sure where to even post it on, if I could get some numbers I could optimize it for sure.

>>24799525
>If you mean it in the: lowbrow entertainment for the masses and designed with the intention of getting as much money as possible, sure they are the new pulps
This
>But if you mean it in the: the new Lovecraft, REH, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert Bloch etc etc etc are going to come from them
No idea what le modern versions of such are doing

>>24799541
>>24799548
Found someone throwing around 20% as a number, if that's the case then it's definitely workable. 1 out of 5 chapters isn't bad at all.

>>24799560
It's definitely not that high, people post screenshots where they are getting warnings at 10-15% but it depends on whether the moderation thinks it's the "core" of the story or not. I'd go with 5% and tag yourself from chapter one and see if you can get to 10% later.

>>24799533
I'll try #1 as well

....just do the thing where you put the lewd smut chapters on patreon?

>>24799568
Try it, it's a really good one, ongoing as well

>>24799574
>....just do the thing where you put the lewd smut chapters on patreon?
For the smut centric one I am thinking that wouldn't really work
>>24799565
>It's definitely not that high, people post screenshots where they are getting warnings at 10-15% but it depends on whether the moderation thinks it's the "core" of the story or not. I'd go with 5% and tag yourself from chapter one and see if you can get to 10% later.
10% might be usable if I can non graphically hint at the sex without it counting to fill it up a bit but at that point I will probably be writing a completely different story. I will probably just put the whole thing on the back burner for now.

Finally starting on the next chapter after 2 weeks of being unable to write but been trying to read as much as possible in the meantime. It only took me several shots of whiskey, but writing progress was made. I just wish I had more vape...

I'm going to make so much money with a visual novel

>>24799559
>No idea what le modern versions of such are doing
>Lovecraft
Fighting with jeets, mudslimes and trannies in /pol/
>REH
Joined a paramilitary group, is going to be betrayed and throw in jail by his friend (who's actually a glowie)
>CAS
Making videogames
>Bloch
Writing fanfiction and wikis

>>24799604
I get the others, but why would Howard do that?
Also thats incredibly saddening.

>>24799607
>why would Howard do that?
Think about it, all of REH talk about being a man of action wasn't just him daydreaming, he would go to bars, get drunk and get into brawls with people and the reason he killed himself after his mother fell into the coma was because he didn't had anything to live of fight for (he thought his father was going to die alongside her)
People like him are PRIME targets for groups like that, 99% of the time is just a glowie honeypot and in the rare instance is real, it all ends with them getting killed off in a shootout and Howard always striked me as the kind of man who would want to die fighting

>>24799604
This gay modern world reduces everyone and everything to shit

>>24799629
I do find it incredibly ironic that Lovecraft and Howard both died before the great chud awakening of the 1940s.

>>24799647
This

>>24799525
>the new Lovecraft, REH, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert Bloch etc etc etc are going to come from them
These authors could not exist in today's market, because NOBODY and I mean NOBODY reads short stories anymore.

>>24799652
I do read short story compilations and anthologies though
>These authors could not exist today
True, notice how I said only one of them (and is limited to fanfiction and wiki autismo) would be writing stuff in this age?
I could see Lovecraft becoming one of those political schizos who earns their living with crypto donations

>>24799652
its true. they really don't. Surprsingly there's still stories on RR that are short stories and have hundreds of thousands of views but it was pretty deep in covid era. Meanwhile my fic barely surpassed 1k after 4 months, but I am also coping several whiskey shots in.

>>24798794
Wait until novelpia allow western writers to post on their platform

>>24799663
I gave up drinking when the liquor store banned me

>>24799525
Mostly because they're old. I could see a few eastoid writers whose work will be seen as a classic in a decade.

>>24799673
tfw 30 and the gas station attendant still thinks I'm underage, I can't tell to be flattered or not haha....

>>24799672
People who read novelpia won't be like westernslop

>>24799662
I do too, I love short stories. But your general reader hates them.
>I could see Lovecraft becoming one of those political schizos who earns their living with crypto donations
He would be a crack or meth head, you wouldn't even hear about Lovecraft desu.
>>24799663
Yellow Typhoon?

>>24799684
Am I really the only writer alcoholic of the two generals...

I've given up trying to produce anything of literary value, its all going to be porn now.

Any LOTM fans here?
What do you guys like about the novel?
670 chapters in, and I still don’t really get the “masterpiece” part. Yeah, the worldbuilding and power system are good and interesting, and the overall plot is engaging too, but the arcs themselves are mostly meh. I find myself pushing through dozens of chapters just to reach one or two satisfying ones, usually because of a lore drop.
The rhythm is abysmal (though it’s better than in the previous volumes), and the characters feel bland af.
I just can’t call a work “good” if the only thing keeping me hooked is the LoOoooRe lol.

So I’m genuinely asking fans here.

>>24799686
I drink

>>24799689
>670 chapters in, and I still don’t really get the “masterpiece” part.
Why are you people like this?

>>24799687
Anon... make a visual novel.

>>24799691
I hope you're not implying I've not read enough lol

>>24799694
No, I'm implying you read that much and still don't seem to like it? I mean, you would've figured this out by like, the third, tenth chapter... y'know...

>>24799695
As I said, there are some interesting points that keep me going (and a friend too), but mostly I just want to understand how a work like this became so highly praised. So I decided to read at least half of it, and I’m getting close, but I’m seeing little sign of improvement, so I came to ask anon’s opinion.

>>24799678
There's surprisingly quite a lot of heroslop (one of their most popular novel is one, pic related). And if you think about hunter tower climbing shit is just litrpg with gook characteristic

>>24799329
Pale Lights
Years of the Apocalypse
Objects in Motion
Player 0.4
Apocalypse Reborn (i'm a strategy game fan , don't judge me)

Dropped the Wandering Inn a bit after the Palace arc
Also reading Max lvl Archmage and Demon Princess but those are just a mistep away from the chopping block.

>>24799684
>He would be a crack or meth head, you wouldn't even hear about Lovecraft desu.
Fake
Lovecraft was never a druggie and lived very isolated of everyone. I could see him being one of those people who think weed is one of the many jewish tactics to weaken white people

>>24799699
The issue lies more towards the writing style itself

>>24799672
I tried checking that site but its one of those faggy "turn off your ad blocker or you can't use it" so I shan't be reading or publishing anything there

>>24799704
>Lovecraft was never a druggie and lived very isolated of everyone.
Just talking about today, considering how prevalent drug use is amongst the lower class and society in general, he would almost certainly be taking it.

Honestly. I don't imagine him ever being seen today, best case scenario would be he totally isolates, works from home and updates his neo cities blog.

>>24799316
If you want to make money I can think of several ways that are easier, faster, and yield better results than writing
>selling weed
>buying scratch off tickets
>volunteering at old folks homes and getting into people's wills before they kick the bucket
>phishing passwords
>stealing Rolexes off of random pedestrians
>making AI porn
>starting a pyramid scheme
>streaming yourself playing minecraft with an AI filter that turns you into an Asian girl
>selling quartz rocks and magic potions on etsy to goth weirdos
>scalping concert tickets
>landlording
>starting a food truck business that sells sandwiches
>investing $100 a week into bitcoin
>shipping guns and alcohol
All of these will net you a million dollars long before you ever get a million in book royalties.

>>24799716
>All of these will net you a million dollars long before you ever get a million in book royalties.
People want to make money off what they like, i.e, writing.

>>24799718
Nobody in these threads likes writing. I've seen more people outright admit they fucking hate it. They're only in it for "easy money." Which they can't get because can't write and their inexperience and loathing for it are immediately obvious to anyone. It's just, the threshold for starting to write is a lot lower than for anything actually productive

>>24799718
Really? Then why do we get so many fuckheads who dont read, dont write, and come here asking how to make money? They dont like writing, they just think it'll be a fast and easy way to make money, which it isnt. Writing is the worst way to make money. Nobody makes money writing.

>>24799721
It is very much possible. In fact, we live in an age where it is extremely easy. But if you don't know the methods, you won't make it.

>>24799720
>Nobody in these threads likes writing.
People in these threads like writing. I don't know how to say it to you, but /wng/ is a collection of writers who actually enjoy the act and want to eventually, and hopefully make money off doing it.
>Which they can't get because can't write and their inexperience
Most of /wng/ from what I've seen are already experienced writers, and that's because most of /wng/ just came from /wg/.
>why do we get so many fuckheads who dont read, dont write, and come here asking how to make money
Because most anons on /lit/ do not read, write, and only come here to LARP as intellectuals. /wng/ is still the absolute best general though in terms of no nonsense bullshit. Anons here write and have a goal.

>>24799724
(To be clear, if the only thing you can contribute to a creative work is your writing, and you can't add anything else to it, then you are going to fail)

>>24799714
Idk, Lovecraft's mother was kind of schizo too and this contributed it to him being isolated. I have seen it. Weirdos with overbearing mothers who don't even drink alcohol and just wageslave in a office and stay the rest of the day in their bedrooms
>best case scenario would be he totally isolates, works from home and updates his neo cities blog.
True

>>24799672
That website is utter trash. Every story reads like it was written for 8yr olds by AI in a foreign language then another AI was used to translate it.

>read Sword of Coming (aka "Unsheathed")
>the slowest most meandering pile of shit i ever did read
>lovely world and character building, but by GOD I got bored to tears
>watch the donghua thinking it might go a bit faster
>somehow feels even slower and like even more NOTHING is happening
holy fuck

>>24799720
>>24799721
/wng/bros... Our response?

>>24799735
/wg/tards don't speak for us

>>24799735
/wg/tards are mindbroken by the idea of writing with a goal

>Newfags cannot recognize an old /sp/ meme and immediately assume its some kind of general war faggotry
Nice samefagging btw

Fang Yuan is a good man.

>>24799780
His special power is ladies' fashion?

>>24799780
So does everyone use gu in reverand insanity or is that just the cultivation style Fang Yuan uses?

Liking this Max Level Archmage ripoff more than MLA. More like this?

>>24799714
Given the mountains of phobias he had, I would be surprised if Lovecraft *wouldn't* be afraid of drugs.

>>24799793
Yes using gu is how people cultivate. There is no foundation, golden core, nascent soul, none of that in RI.

>>24799793
Gu is the power system everyone use Gu to cultivate

OK. Let’s get this straight. Do westerners like fancy dialogue tags or not? Every writing advice recommends using only “said” and “asked,” but every RR novel has longer tags than the last.
“…,” he said, nodding.
“…,” she uttered, eyes widened.
“…,” he grunted sharply in pain.
“…,” she mused, her voice rising and falling in a musical rhythm.
“…,” he ejaculated in exasperation.
Is this just a way to pad the word count, or do people actually love colorful tags and adverbs, and all the writing gurus are full of shit?

>>24799803
What should I read for a more standard cultivation experience?

>>24799806
Nobody pays attention to this shit. Do whatever you want.

>>24799808
RMJI is the best.
Also Renegade Immortal and other Er Gen's works, Jade Dynasty, Senior Brother Is Too Steady.

>read journey to the west
>wukong speedruns every cultivation stage in 1 page
kek

>>24799812
All of these have a lot of chapters senior... this here junior will educate himself...

>>24799812
What do you think of A Regressor’s Tale of Cultivation? I heard it's one of the best but I'm not well versed in cultivation novels

>>24799806
Whatever you do, don't overuse the fancy tags. Probably something like a 70-30 split between said and fancy tag. And don't put a huge amount together, or it will start looking like a comical stageplay. Lunadea/Syl is a great example of how excessive tags interrupts the flow of conversation.

>saw a few of people posting images of Max Level Archmage but didn't think much of it
>randomly decide to check the top patreon for writing
>Max Level Archmage is at 5th place with an absolute meteoric rise in revenue in 4 months
I'm sort of new to this space, does this kind of explosion in popularity happen often?

>>24799806
What >>24799828 said.
Using too many or not using any at all seems repetitive, you want to mix things up.
I would also reserve the use of fancy tags for situations where you might want to add more detail or overall emphasize someone's reaction.
When the dialogic is already going people often don't even use any tags at all, but that tends to be somewhat confusing in my experience if the dialogic itself doesn't make clear who is saying what.

>>24799818
There are donghua (Chinese anime) for all of these scriptures. And RMJI and Jade Dynasty have even live action series.
>>24799825
>A Regressor’s Tale of Cultivation
Good enough though it is Korean isekai so not "true" xianxia

>>24799859
> RMJI and Jade Dynasty have even live action series.
And because of CCP censorship they barely count as faithful adaptations.

>reach a point in my story where the build up to a big conflict finally pays off
>worry that the more intense tone might scare people off
>get two very supportive and enthusiastic comments
>two hours later, I have lost 3 followers

Y-you too.

>>24799421
I don't think otome isekai's a very good genre overall but this felt like a pretty weak take on it to me.
Still not as bad as Tori Transmigrated but nothing special.

>>24799329
I read them but I can't read them at publication pace.
Super Supportive was the only one I managed it for but I just fell out of the habit when kemono crashed and I couldn't read at patreon pace for a bit.

>>24799879
The setting isn't an otome so you might have confused that a bit but other than that yeah it isn't a particularly amazing story. Just good enough I thought I might as well post here for anyone that likes this type of stories.

>>24799732
Only problem I had with it was the confusing first arc, but after he leaves the village I loved every second of reading it

>get caught up to Nowhere Stars
>no idea how long until another chapter
Liadain ruthlessly and aggressively skullfucking Synacauri waiting room

>>24799808
>>24799812
They are terrible desu, I am only reading renegede immortal because of animation, but the novel is slog of the slogs, and rmji is even worse. Read eternal Sacred King

>>24797741 (OP)
Recommend some erotic web novels

>>24800022
How smutty ?
An Infinare Recursion of Time

Starts typical iskeai rpg and it slowly snowballs into turbo smut territory

>>24800022
>The Hero Wants to Be V**lated

>>24800022
What We Do to Survive

There's nothing wrong with admitting you just wanna roll outta bed, write 5,000 words and then roll back into bed and be five grand richer at the end of the month.

>>24797741 (OP)
I really liked where this was going but when the author decided to have a band rock and roll arc I threw my hands up this is too much for lil old me

>>24800022
Worm

Is there a thread for people making visual novels? I find descriptions cringe, I barely managed to read 4 pulp novels this year and it was a chore

>>24800085
>wake up whenever
>eat, browse 4chan, watch yt
>go bed late
>repeat
Literally heaven on earth

>>24800085
It's really not shameful at all. Not many people have it in them to even do 2k a day. It's like any other cerebral job.

>>24800085
That's my dream job, to be a NEET writer. Plus, if I can afford buying tendies anytime, anywhere.

>>24800117
Visual novels aren't a real thing outside of nippon and even that is fading by the day

I've wrote what I best could call "heretical fan fiction" and would like some human feedback.
This has a gimmick to it. Each chapter/day has a song that is tied to it. I would recommend listening to the songs to get the full "feeling" of the story.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/135386/boomer-revelations-a-heavy-metal-apocalypse

Prologue: Crazy Train
Day 1: Bat out of Hell
Day 2: Rainbow in the Dark

>>24799839
no, not to that insane level anyway. MLA is a first and mogs everyone by a country mile
30k usd monthly from scratch in a few months as a new pen name with no shout outs or networking is truly crazy.

im very interested to see if it performs on Amazon too, or if its a RR phenomenon only

>>24799839
It's pretty crazy. Like a 0.00000001%. None of us will ever be that fortunate.

>>24799720
I like writing. Storytelling is fun, especially when there are people there to listen. I hope that I can eventually make something that changes the lives of my audience for the better, no matter how many or how little a change it is.

>>24799699
If I ever do heroslop, I think I'm going to ape Infamous 1.

>>24800189
you're too wholesome for this thread, get the fuck out of here and succeed already, this is for crabs and lazy fucks that gloat they can't get the 'easy money' they've coveted so much.

>read """Dungeon""" """Defense"""" (the webnovel)
>defending of said dungeon completely disappears after 10 chapters
>the rest is him scheming and fucking a loli

>>24797803
I dunno what I'd do with like 10,000 unconnected sex scenes between some guy and a stinky, hairy goblin.

>>24797793
dangerously based and hightestpilled.

>>24800117
>Burst into a web novel general.
>Talks about visual novels and pulp.
>Talks about how he hates reading.
What a strange, strange mind.
But honestly, what is so special about description? It’s only as hard and complicated as you want it to be.
Slowly, your neighbor lifts her shirt, revealing a sculpted belly adorned with a silver piercing that matches her wedding ring. Her bronze skin appears slick in the lamplight, glowing like molten caramel.
Your breath catches as heat floods your face and ears. This is so wrong, but you can't look away. You can only lean in, gulping.
She smirks. Her dark eyes reflect mischief as her delicate fingers tighten around the hem of her shirt, not raising it further.
Her: Want me to keep going, Anon-kun? You know there’s no going back from this.
Your eyes snap to her ring. A hollow ache settles in your stomach, and you start shifting uneasily on the bed. The idea of stealing another man’s wife is becoming too real for you.
You: I… I, uh…
Her: *Giggles.* Look at you, acting all shy. Where was that spunk from earlier when you said you were going to show me what a real man looks like, hmm?
She steps closer to you, close enough for you to feel the heat rising from her slick, brown skin, close enough to smell the sweat beneath her perfume, and to taste the salty tang of her desire emanating from every pore.
She is too close.
You: I… I don’t… I mean… *Gulp!*
Her: You don’t want to do this? Oh, that’s too bad…
Her gaze drops as she lowers her shirt.
Panic surges through you, and you scramble to explain.
You: N-no, that’s not what I meant. I—
Before you can finish, something soft and slick is shoved into your mouth. The hem of her shirt.
It’s salty.
Her eyes flick back up, glinting with playful mischief.
Her: It’s too bad because even if you don’t want this… I do. And I don’t take no for an answer. *Laughs.*
Hot sweat streams down your face as her soft hands take yours, guiding them to her damp belly. She guides your palms along the contours of her firm abs beneath velvety skin, leading them down, down, down, until… they land on something stiff down below.
You freeze.
The object is hard and moist, sticky to the touch, and it’s big. Too big.
You: Wh-what is this? What…
She chuckles and leans close to your ear. The scent of perfume dissipates now, leaving only the raw scent of primal desire.
Her: What’s the matter, Anon-kun? A real man should be able to handle something like this, don’t you think? *Giggles.* And even if you can’t… Well, let’s just say, I don’t mind playing the man in the relationship. Hehe!

>>24800162
with X amount of people willing to drop 10$ a month for a few chapters to 'support the author', and Y% of people willing to further support by purchasing the book when it comes out, X * Y% of first week purchases will surely mog 99% of other Amazon novels and top the charts.

>>24800295
Second person self-inserting, huh. Seems sort've like a narratively guided JOI.

>>24800297
Oh, yeah, that it'll do at least 'good' is a given. I'm wondering if it will have a comparative performance to its downright absurd royalroad success, meaning top 100 on the store or something like that, with like 10k ratings. It's never a guarantee how a web novel will translate to the more mainstream market

>>24800409
That kind of success can't be aimed for just through good writing and launch execution, at that point you're rolling dice.

>>24800421
if there was ever an indicator for guaranteed wider success though, surely a 30,000/m patreon in a few months would be it. which is why I'm curious if it will blow up on amazon or not. Will be interesting either way it goes

>>24800433
I struggle to believe it will get as good reception as a book, rather than a web novel. The story is practically flat, and doesn't follow any traditional concepts of storytelling, with climaxes and such. Plus, the author somehow seriously believed that Vivi resurrecting, then going to the city, counted as a "book", despite there being literally no plot progression.

>>24800456
>I struggle to believe it will get as good reception as a book
Who do you think buys amazon books? It's the same whales who already subscribe to his patreon. Once his followers lift the books on top of every chart again, others will buy it too just to see what all the fuss is about. The contents literally don't matter

>>24800117
/agdg/ I guess
>>24800295
Yoooo, this nigga fixing to get blacked

>>24800456
>I struggle to believe it will get as good reception as a book, rather than a web novel.
I don't disagree. I could see it going either way which is why I'm interested
As for not having a traditional book structure, is that a big deal? I feel like several popular web novels did just fine in the transition, despite their obvious webnovel-ness. Like Beware of Chicken. And I can't remember how much of HWFWM I read but I feel like at least past book 1 and I don't remember any meaningful "oh wow, climax sequence!" as I would expect for a trad book. it just felt like strings of events happening, like with mla
Also the initial books 1 and 2 for mla were lumped together for a more traditional book structure/climax so im not sure if your point is even relevant

>>24800470
Nobody is buying this shit. They're going to read it on Kindle Unlimited and the author will get some pennies from it. Still basically free money but it's not going to be 100k x 5$ type of money

>>24800488
A single read through KU is like 2-3$ lol
It's a complete guarantee that the story at least gets around 2k ratings, which means ~50,000$. Not much compared to the Patreon, but hardly pennies.
I'm wondering whether it will do much better than that, at like 10k ratings with the other big stories.

>>24800485
I don't know about the commercial success of HWFWM, but I can at least attest to a good proportion of the bad reviews being about the lack of 'book' story structure. But you're right, the people that consume litrpg slop know that it's multi-book slop anyway, otherwise, the scores on Goodreads would make no sense (4.5 star average for the worst books you've ever read).

>>24800510
>but I can at least attest to a good proportion of the bad reviews being about the lack of 'book' story structure.
I think this is true for almost all webnovel sloppa though. It's just par for the course, which is why I'm kinda questioning why you brought it up for MLA. It's not something that kills a story's success in the slightest

Good sloppa that does true storytelling structure right go mainstream (Cradle, DCC) and make millions. But we're talking about standard web novel sloppa right now

>>24800516
Well, that's why I said you're right

>>24800520
Lol, fair enough

>>24800488
>he thinks KU reads don't give money
more than half my writing income is JUST KU. That's not even factoring in audible. Lol.

>write my chappy yesterday
>not feeling it, don't feel like it's good, feel bad all day
>decide to spend today really picking it apart and seeing if it works and decide I'm okay with just rewriting it today
>read it back this morning after sleeping on it
>it's fine
>doesn't need rewrites, the flow isn't bad even though events are compressed
>I know exactly where things are going from here and might do a full writing day even though I burned an hour on in depth review

Guys if you feel like your writing is shit one day, save it and review it a day or two later. Our feelings on our work are fickle and inaccurate. What we thought sucked yesterday may be good tomorrow.

Wait, HWFWM has more book 1 ratings than Cradle book 1?
The fuck, for some reason I thought Cradle was huge. I guess structure really doesn't matter, the only thing bigger than HWFWM is DCC

>>24800551
first mover advantage I guess

>>24800551
Cradle looks and sounds boring. The cover and blurb absolutely do matter no matter how many people say otherwise.

>>24800556
I dont think anyone does say otherwise

>>24799335
This joke gets funnier every time
Think we can trick Amazon into adapting it into a cartoon? Probably have to cut a lot of the scenes where the author-insert sucks dicks, but it'd be worth it for the memes. Our own little morbintime.

>>24799329
I read the popular ones to try and ape what they do.

>>24800233
Just change the characters and use them for some smut writing at some point. No sense in casting them into the void.

>>24800551
>>24800555
>>24800582
Both good books, someone tell the fatty shirtaloon to stop dying and get to writing

>>24799806
Using 'said' is advised because it creates sharper sentences and leads writers to muh 'show dont tell'.

Adverbs not judiciously kept in line can eventually find their way into every line of dialogue and like >>24799828 said it becomes comical stageplay that distracts from what is being said where writers either overuse the same dozen words or they vomit a thesaurus of increasingly jarring unusual terms in order to mix it up. It's easier to just avoid using them.


RR writers are focused on quantity not quality. They're not consciously padding their word count but they're hardly trimming it down in editing.

>>24800706
I was reading some eastern stuff and there isn't even a said. It's just lines of dialog and you're supposed to know who is saying what.

Hello.
Hello.
How are you?
I'm fine, and you?
Not so bad.
Good to hear.
Indeed.
Anyway, have you hea-
No, you can't do that.
Can't do what?
Speak two lines in lines in a row after we've been having a back and forth conversation. Your "Anyway" should've been on the same line as your "Indeed". You're going to confuse the reader.
What are you talking about?
There's no reader.
Well, that's true.
Heh, as expected of talking to myself.
Oh, it's time for my meds, but don't worry, I'll continue this conversation with me later.

>>24799806
I do think carefully about my dialogue tags, and only use them when necessary. When they are necessary to determine who is speaking, I consider whether or not they should be simple or complex, and then I make sure complex dialogue tags fit with the rhythm and flow of the prose.

They're just a tool, used better or worse depending on the author's skill
>he shouted calmly

your story has a world element that can be interpreted as a trans allegory, right?

>>24800728
Japanese LN authors often give characters speech quirks and different voices that are distinct enough that dialogue tags are needed far less frequently than in English (due to how the languages use pronouns and verb conjugations differently desuwa).

>>24800874
> antagonist goes to a new world where they gain a new identity they bring back to their world
so all web novels

>>24800488
>it's not going to be 100k x 5$ type of money
No, it's going to be 100k x $15 + KU money, because the author is a mutant ultra jew

>>24800939
>No option to tip after each volume
We can go further

>>24800874
Nope, 100% trad.
>everyone is white
>there is no mental illness, only good and evil
>everyone is straight
>sex outside of marriage is heavily frowned upon (although prostitution exists)
>expectation is that men and women marry between 16 and 20
>unwed women over 20 are considered spinsters
>family is portrayed as a good thing and the goal of all good people

>>24800975
>expectation of child marriage

>>24800985
The age of majority is 15, which is the objective correct age to consider someone an adult.

>>24801026
If life expectancy is 30, sure.

I find it so disheartening that fantasy novels are more logical, coherent, and sane than IRL and the ogres that exist in reality.

>>24801026
Women don't have good odds during childbirth until 20, and that's with good nutrition.

>>24801089
that's racist though

New bread?

>>24801096
>don't have good odds
You mean more than half die? Or there's a mildly elevated risk of complications, with complications that risk the child or mother's life or health lower than for geriatric pregnancies?

>>24801099
We live in a society

>>24801132
/lit/ is a slow board, wait for page 10.
You need to lurk more if you don't understand this.

>>24800939
>the author is a mutant ultra jew
how so?

>>24801136
>He thinks 20 years old is a geriatric pregnancy.

brothers how to you cope with life? are we all still chip up *WHEEZE*? my chin is low... very low...

>>24801153
Write a pointless fight scene that does nothing to advance the plot but makes the MC look cool. Trust me, you'll feel better after.

is it mental illness to fanboy over something this hard? or is RI just that good?

>>24801269
He's done it for regularly for years, and it doesn't matter where he is. He does it on other boards, because the location doesn't matter. All should be reading it.

>>24799798
I'll never get over this somehow having worse pacing than Archmage. They even yoink the withdrawnal from the bank scene. The only other thing in the genre that's came out recently is Critical Roleplay. Which doesn't even really have roleplay, apparently. Every MC in this genre hate's roleplay in is hecking depressing

>>24801300
wdym roleplay

>>24801310
something like Vaudevillain where they're actually pretending to act like their MMO character. Everytime a character gets stuck in an MMO, they are usually deeply embarassed about it or get mindraped by the system into acting in character. I'm pretty sure 80% of readers think this is peak comedy though so what do i know.

>>24801290
What other boards?

>>24801337
im not sure i would enjoy a story where a character is roleplaying their mmo character lol. I personally definitely prefer them just being themselves, I dont see the appeal in otherwise. any relationships established would be fundamentally fake which kills empathy, even if it might be entertaining at times.
much better to just have the character BE that sort of personality, whatever it is

>>24801354
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22Reverend%20Insanity%22/page/2/

im not sure i would enjoy a story where a character is isekai'ed and pretends to be a native lol. I personally definitely prefer them telling everyone they're from another world, I dont see the appeal otherwise. any relationships established would be fundamentally fake which kills empathy, even if it might be entertaining at times.
much better to just have the character BE who they were, whatever it is

I think the Reddit well dried up, my posts aren't getting a lot of likes. Still sold seven copies today though, but I think it might have been more from the RR, Amazon, and 4chan ads

>>24801398
They would just think the MC was crazy unless there is a history of Isekaijins being a thing. They can be themselves without telling everyone literally everything too, people do that irl every day.

They would just think anon was crazy unless there is a history of obsessive schizoposters being a thing. They can be themselves without telling everyone about their ritualpost every day, people do that irl every day.

>>24801375
>/tg/
>/a/
>/r9k/
>/int/
That wasn't me.

>>24801398
these aren't 1:1s its kinda weird you think you have a gotcha moment here
faking your personality entirely means relationships arent real and that's mostly why I read.
simply not saying you're from another world is just...not the same thing remotely?

>>24801373
The problem I have is that they're still roleplaying as their mmo character, but whenever the writer wants some empathic moment like what you're referring too, they can just magically stop doing it. I can sort of respect it in stuff like "The Player Hides His Past" where the person is literally held hostage by their RP character. But for everything else it just seems like a tacky way for a character get all the benefits that come from being a forceful aggressive person(Not having to deal with people fucking you over, cool aurafarming moments, etc) while avoiding being call an edgelord or cringey.
Just seems kind of cowardly to me idk. MC could just roleplay present themselves more authentically with people they're close to. That seems to functionally be what happens anyways.

>>24801478
>but whenever the writer wants some empathic moment like what you're referring too, they can just magically stop doing it.
on the contrary, this is why I dislike the roleplayers. They always have some tragic backstory so the author can double dip in having people feel bad for the tragic backstory and have entire relationships based on that backstory, without actually having to write a character affected by that tragic backstory.

>>24801515
Maybe I would have to just read what you'r readin then? I can't imagine anyone caring about or feeling emotion able a backstory that canonically didn't happen and I can't think of any examples. I feel what you're talking about applies more to the stories I'm talking about like Archmage and Occult Archmage where they're functionally roleplayers, but just given an in lore reason that allows them to roleplay without being "cringe" or "edgy."

>>24799674
Ah yes, I'm sure RI is going to become a classic in the future

>>24801407
Congrats Black Sun Anon!

>>24801398
My story has a main character who was making the story the world takes place in and doesn't hesitate to tell the other MC about it since he can detect when someone is lying. The other MC doesn't believe him because why the hell would he? That would put MC 1 above the gods of the setting, and MC 2 is too religious to consider that to be true, so he just thinks he's nuts.
This will of course be a huge hit to MC 2's worldview when reality finally hits.

>>24800874
God no. I'm so bored of that whole thing.

>>24801152
Anon may be 14

>>24800874
I don't plan on having any of the characters commit suicide, no.

Does anyone find it hard to keep up with their reading as they write their webnovel? I find myself spending most of my creative and intellectual energy in the morning writing; then I have lunch and do my physical activities, and by the evening I haven't recovered enough for anything more draining than genre fiction. On physical rest days, even when I don't do physical activities, I still find myself mentally drained.

I just read two of Montaigne's essays and I'm fucking wiped. I can barely bring myself to even watch anime at this point, though I will try to force myself.

>>24801729
Yeah, I feel like I'm having similar issues now that I've started writing. Reading feels more like market research than anything else for me rn.

>>24800158
Review'd
>>24801729
True, I do try to keep up with FFF Unlucky Class Antagonist, however.

>>24801729
>>24801743
Skill issue

>I will try to force myself to watch anime
You'd do well in competitive first world problems.

>>24801729
I had the opposite problem since the last 2 days of September. I was reading a lot and didn't write anything until last night.

I'm writing what should be smut, yet it's so difficult to have the characters end up having sex, damn it. Chapter 3 and still not even an handjob and it's not like the non-smut story is good

>>24801790
Who let the thirdie in here?
>boohoo I don't have clean water and enough food and there's roving gangs outside
However if you want some escapism you can read this.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/

>>24801854
What a familiar looking fiction...

>>24799689
You're only sticking to it for the lore drop reveals and don't enjoy klein's scheming in the day-to-day chapters?

>>24801743
For market research you should be figuring out what isn't being made, not what is being made.

>>24801905
Maybe the worst advice I've seen in this thread, which is seriously saying something.

>>24801924
Wrong. There's a bunch of stuff that got made that people don't like and bunch that people do like. If you figure out an untapped niche you can get a following of people who didn't even know they wanted something like that.
How do you think all this shit like litrpg and whatever became a thing in the first place.

>>24799698
>but mostly I just want to understand how a work like this became so highly praised.
It's highly praised in a super-niche piggy-slurps-out-of-the-trough internet subforum group. People do not seriously recommend LOTM as a regular reader of english fiction.

>>24801935
Bringing up "market research" implies you're looking for easy money. That you're a middle of the road writer trying to make basic patreon/amazonbux. In which case writing exactly to market (male mc, sysapoc) is always best. Deviating is for good writers.
Finding out where the hole is and filling it is NOT for middle-road authors. Terrible advice. You can make CRAZY money if you fill a hole when you're a great writer, but having an existing audience is massively better for average writers. You will only draw in readers in a hole if you're performing well above average, which no one in this thread is doing.

>>24801941
>Bringing up "market research" implies you're looking for easy money.
Can you retards stop seething about doing basic market research. Literally every author who actually wants to make it will do market research and see what is appealing or not isn't appealing. Unless you just want to shitpost forever on generals here posting your work which will never be published.
>which no one in this thread is doing.
The vast majority of this thread just started a few months ago. Quite literally everyone here is still learning how to become a successful author.

>>24801941
>That you're a middle of the road writer trying to make basic patreon/amazonbux. In which case writing exactly to market (male mc, sysapoc) is always best.
If you're average doing the average thing is going to get you buried under the mountain of other average people doing the average thing. If you want to not get buried you find a hole of your own. A unique premise can carry shitting writing just look at the shit that gets published or the shit the east is reading.

>>24801944
dude why are you sperging. im totally for market research. but im saying that if you're looking to make money, going down the well-trodden road is always better than the less-trodden road. that shit is for good authors
>this thread is full of newbies
>and if they want money they should write in nonstandard niches
god you are so stupid and you dont even realize it
if you're a mediocre author, aping sysapoc stories with medium level competence is absolutely your best way to make cash

>>24801952
>A unique premise can carry shitting writing just look at the shit that gets published or the shit the east is reading.
i dont even know where to begin with this lmfao

>>24801957
>god you are so stupid
Yes I am stupid, because I didn't understand what you were saying. My bad and apologies for the fuss, anon.

>>24801905
>>24801941
Maybe "market research" was the the wrong word? I like the Stuck as OP MMO character trend, but as I was writting I realized I had the perfect set up for a dungeon core story on top of it. I haven't really read the genre before so rn I'm reading "No Epic Loot" and plan on picking up other stuff later. I also wanted an eldritch horror theme so I'm reading Lovecraft stuff.

I think MLA mindbroke the anons in this thread. Somehow they don't understand why it did so well

>>24801966
Explain it then

>>24801977
Found an empty niche
Understood the royalroad launch meta and how to run a web serial
Executed the story at a nearly-pro level
Seems simple but anons here (and most other newbie writers) will fail at #1, #2, and especially #3, seeing how they're mostly new to writing
It won't be the next DCC but the writing is well above average, the genre is both popular and unfulfilled, and the author followed nearly every royalroad meta strategy. What's hard to understand?

For a middle-road not-great author, churning out sysapoc stories will get you a few hundred bucks a month, which is what ESLs here are wanting right? Not even derogatory, get your slopbucks kings. I'm just correcting the super shit advice that gets flung out in this thread. Writing in unfulfilled niches is for good authors.
(A good twist in a common niche is a good idea, but really fucking hard to find)

>>24801941
This is stupid advice. If you fill a niche that there is demand for, you will have a much easier time gaining followers. For example, writing fetish stories for a fetish game. Most of these fetish games are sloppa yet rake in the big bucks because there is outsized demand for it. Or, fanfiction. No matter how sloppa it is, people are still attracted to it.

>>24801988
fetish shit isn't even for web novels, you are completely disconnected from how to actually make money as a writer. fuck off, stop replying to me

baking

>>24801984
>tfw MLA basically transposed a highly popular premise in the East (Overlord) to the West, which for some reason up until MLA’s release had never written anything adjacent to it

>>24801984
>Found an empty niche
They didn't, it's a generic concept just really well written. Doing the same thing is beyond the ability of the average person writing on RR

>>24801993
>fetish shit isn't even for web novels
retarded

>>24801998
>>24801997
wtf? im literally saying each has to be done in tandem. I've been saying REPEATEDLY that you can only fill a niche without a big common existing fanbase unless you are a GOOD WRITER, which no one here is. fuck, how many times do i have to repeat that
>>24802001
it's not??????????? smut does not sell in the web novel scene. holy fuck how absolutely disconnected from web novels is this thread?

New bread
>>24802011
>>24802011
>>24802011

>>24802006
>how absolutely disconnected from web novels is this thread?
very disconnected. a lot of anons here refuse to hop onto the big servers and do basic networking for one

>>24802006
>wtf? im literally saying each has to be done in tandem. I've been saying REPEATEDLY that you can only fill a niche without a big common existing fanbase unless you are a GOOD WRITER, which no one here is. fuck, how many times do i have to repeat that
what i wrote had nothing to do with what you wrote. it was neither a refutation nor was it written out of a sense of contrarianism. i'm simply stating that for some reason, despite the vast popularity of Overlord showing that a person isekai'd into their OP game character is a good premise; no one in the west ever tried to either ape nor write something adjacent to Overlord.

>>24802039
>I just responded to you with a random statement that doesn't actually add anything new, and is basically a repetition of what you said, and I expect you to know I just wanted to chime in with meaningless noise
You're also a problem

>>24802039
>no one in the west ever tried to either ape nor write something adjacent to Overlord.
fucking boatloads of people have over the years, there just havent been any good writers who did it. omfg that's my literal point
if you want to fulfill an empty niche you have to be a GOOD WRITER
i really have to just alt f4 at this point you people are unreal

>>24802039
>a person isekai'd into their OP game character is a good premise
>no one in the west ever tried to either ape nor write something adjacent to Overlord.
Are you for real?

>>24798209
Not gonna lie, son. This sounds good/interesting for a single arc, tops. I cant imagine how you are going to keep this duck/swan duality and the other elements you are describing relevant to a viable plot in the long run. Every WN ends up an endless battle story at some point, and these selling points of your story seem to be the kind of things that get in the way rather than fortes. Good luck regardless.

>>24799808
read I Shall Seal The Heavens

>>24800040
i haven't seen a rr author link to an epub of their book in the blurb before