Thread 24798369

Absolutely buried trannyism.

I've yet to see it be disproven.

>>24798369 (OP)
>only talks about women
>women don't sew penises on to themselves
Come again?

no one ever thought it was real, women just didn't want to tell people no because they felt like it would be mean

>>24798369 (OP)
It disproves itself.
>mtf exists
>Book is only about girls. concern about trooning out only applies to ftm because poor little women need all the help they can get from our society
Hmm I wonder why men would prefer to be women in a society that panders and caters to them almost exclusively?

Ngl, it's pretty humiliating to belong to the twenty year snip of human history where a man can claim he is actually a woman and people actually believe him.

>>24798369 (OP)
If you just do a cursory google-search there are plenty of reviews trashing it as the unscientific propaganda piece it is.
>>24798384
You really have to be a delusional moron to think that, as a whole, women have it better than men.
>>24798385
Transgender people have existed for all of history, and in some cases have been accepted in their communities.

>>24798369 (OP)
Helen Joyce's Trans is even better. If everyone read it today, the tranny menace would end tomorrow.

>>24798403
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>>24798369 (OP)
>There is still no equivalent for men
Based TERFs for being the only group out there with the sole focus of addressing the tranny pandemic.

Ain't gonna read it though. I don't care about trannies enough to go beyond trolling them on 4chan.

>>24798468
>focus
purpose*
I gotta go to sleep

>>24798403
>Transgender people have existed for all of history, and in some cases have been accepted in their communities.
Why do you guys always say this? Cultures with "third genders" are usually cultures that don't think effeminate, gay men count as men.
There's always been people who wish they were the opposite sex and there always will be, just as there will always be people who wish they were taller or paler or younger or other traits we have no control over.
But this idea that you can just choose to be the opposite sex and everyone must respect that is brand spanking new and should be treated as the retarded bullshit it is.

>>24798385
That's never been the norm, pic related is the norm even today
There are of course activists, usually trans, who want to go further for example by pushing the idea of sexed brains but ultimately doctors treat it as a mental illness

>>24798369 (OP)
I notice nobody has refuted or even followed my twitter, i must be too right and they're scared of me.

>>24798369 (OP)
From the cover I can already tell she doesn't even discuss the real problem of young boys being targeted by troons, probably just more thinly veiled "men are bad!!!!" feminist slop instead of tackling the real issues

>>24798385
it will be looked back on in the same vein and taproot as lobotomies and totalitarian death camps

>>24798403
>Transgender people have existed for all of history, and in some cases have been accepted in their communities.
That's cool, they didn't have gigantic multinational financial, pharmaceutical, and media-entertainment conglomerates pumping tranny propaganda sludge into the cultural zeitgeist in a bid to both make a fuckton of money and further polarize an already atomized consumerist, narcissistic society.

Also, the statistics on male tranny personality disorders speak volumes. You weren't satisfied being a toxic piece of shit with your dick still attached, so you decided to chop it off and become a walking social pathogen instead.

>>24798372
>85% of trannies are male but here's how we're the biggest victims
Women, everybody.

>>24798528
>the real problem of young boys being targeted by troons,
Where does this happen?

>>24798565
I think ftm outnumber mtf nowadays.

>>24798569
Nearly everywhere

>>24798569
Discord troons groom young boys online constantly, obviously because they're the ones who are in gaming circles. If girls were around there, I'm sure they'd go after them too. It's too late for you to feign ignorance everyone knows about this now thanks to X

>>24798369 (OP)
This book has been on my reading list for a while. it seems good though I doubt it contains much information I haven’t already figured out myself. If you read it I’m glad you didn’t find it to be a waste of your time.

>>24798635
>muh discord trannies
I'm sure they exist. I seriously doubt they're A big enough force to be behind most young men who troon out

>>24798626
That may be true, if we separate travesties from transgenders.

>>24798626
they don't
also you should research detrans
it's wild the amount of lawsuits that stacking up holy shit
history will judge transgender as the greatest evil to ever threaten mankind

>>24798700
It's about equal according to this census:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

However ftm's have increased in number at much higher rates than mtf so it's not unlikely for them to outnumber them today.

>>24798369 (OP)
shrier claims within the book that there are some "real" trannies out there, and that the social contagion is a fake transgenderism. read "trans: ideology vs reality" by helen joyce, for a more comprehensive takedown.

>>24798369 (OP)
>pro franklin cover up false memory foundation screed
No.

>>24798468
>Based TERFs
They don't hate trannies because they are trannies they hate trannies because
1) they hate men
2) any woman that wants to be a man is a traitor

I hope more men win trophies in womens sports.

>>24798834
1. Sure is the case for some, no argument here
2. Not true, radfems always see FtMs as some kind of victim, either of sex abuse or running away from societal wide misogyny. At worst, they'll poke some fun at them, but they'll never full on hate them.
t. Spent a lot of time in TERF circles during covid. They're "on the right side of history", but the hard-core TERFs are annoying and do damage to their own movement. They should chill and just be funny like JK Rowling.

>>24798695
Not necessarily just talking about grooming kids into trooning out, just rudamentary sexual shit. Again you can cope but everyone knows this stuff now

Why can't I meet a terf in real life? I want to date one. There's something so attractive about it.

>>24799024
Anon, what do you think the RF in TERF stands for?

>>24799028
Really Fucking hot?

>>24798369 (OP)
Why don't you post this on /TTTT and give us their rheeeeeee? The literate moderate tranny, the Brianna Wu, isn't browsing here.

>>24799032
on what?

>>24799028
retard fucker (i'm the retard)

>>24799028
Actually, most TERFs aren't even radical feminists, and sometimes not even feminists at all. Trannies use it almost like a slur for any woman at all who ever steps out of line.

>>24799024
You would be surprised how many women are actually against the trans ideology and would be called TERFs. Most women are conformist, though, so they usually hide their real beliefs and pretend to be some vague form of "woke" (euck I hate using that word) until they get comfortable with you.
Chances are, you've already met a TERF.

>>24800576
/LGBT board is now /TTTT board as they took over.

>>24800585
I think the courage to say the truth is part of my attraction though. I'm not usually into old ladies and I never liked Harry Potter, but god the things I would do to JK Rowling once she started telling trannies to fuck off.
I'm not sure I'd be into a TERF who wasn't brave enough to be a TERF. She'd at least have to let me watch her make trannies cry on this Malaysian comic book forum. I could get into that.

>>24798569
>Where does this happen?

>>24798384
>>24798372

The explosion of FtM particularly in teenagers is something that long standing trans activists have raised concerns about - these are people who were campaigning in the 80s and 90s for trans rights and they themselves have been called transphobes because they've said that this trend is different and we need to pause and figure out what is going on.

>>24798700
> 'The age at initiation has been dropping over the past 25 years, and we have seen a steady increase in the number of FTM such that the incidence now equals that of MTF.' - 2020
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7906237

> Adolescents assigned female at birth initiate transgender care 2.5 to 7.1 times more frequently than those assigned male at birth, according to the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), a 4,000-member organization of medical, legal, academic and other professionals. Several clinics in the United States told Reuters that among their patients, the ratio was nearly 2-to-1, and similar phenomena have been documented in Europe, Canada and Australia.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-topsurgery

Which one should I read first? this or

>>24801063
this

>>24798369 (OP)
i dont think it was very good, its very journalistic and not really a scientific takedown. there are >140IQ tripfags on /lgbt/ who have written better about the topic, easily

>>24801063
>>24801072
Both.

>>24800819
most ftms dont get surgery or even go on t so its not really as alarming as those stats suggest even if they do suffer from health issues

>>24801075
>there are >140IQ tripfags on /lgbt/ who have written better about the topic, easily
Name them.

>>24801097
> QT tomboys essentially extinct at this point
> not alarming

>>24801109
oris, mefmoder, discordia perhaps, griffith

>>24801097
>>24801119
PROTECT TOMBOYS AT ALL COST!

>>24801140
Man, I know none of them.
Has /lgbt/ also fallen?

>>24801157
the churn is pretty high, chasergen appears to have gone the way of femboygen and i refuse to engage with gaygen

>>24801140
>>24801157
those people are from like two years ago dude

>>24801140
i looked up the first one in the archive and it's some kind of hermaphrodite spewing typical tranny porn addict derangement about sucking cock this and bussy that. this is supposed to be 140iq trannyposting?

>>24801179
you wouldnt get it

>>24798369 (OP)
>only way for anyone to care about transgenderism hurting people is to make it about women
grim

>>24801140
Interesting are there really trans people openly criticizing the trans community on /lgbt/? I dont even openly criticize the trans community on there and i still either get bullied there for "thinking im special" or ignored because nobody understands or relates to my problems and theres a heavy circlejerk culture where the same concerns, feelings, and narratives are cyclically fed into constantly, sort of like the shithole that /v/ is.

>>24801211
theres a lot of arguing and bullying in general, but yes mtfs and ftms don't even get on, nevermind all the tourists and cisles and shit. even excluding all that, most trannies either hate themselves or bitterly disagree about issues like truscum versus trenders and nonbinaries and shi

>>24798369 (OP)
I haven't even read it, I have yet to see Blanchard's Typology be disproven outside of maybe 1-5% of cases

>>24801221
happy to say eventually you grow out of all those discussions

>>24801175
Anon, the only interractions I used to have on /lgbt/ 2 years ago were with a 50 years old schizo lady about Thomism and Elfriede Jelinek.
Wasn't really scouring the board at that time.
>>24801170
>chasergen appears to have gone the way of femboygen and i refuse to engage with gaygen
>3 different gens just for the fags
Jesus, /lgbt/ is actually so fucking gay.
I'm thinking that the men over there are way too degenerate to justify sifting through their posts in the hopes of finding the 140 iq stuff.

>>24801229
I dont think "growing" up means what it actually means, but its use. Because growing out of it doesn't mean, a development of understanding and experience that moves beyond the surface level understanding and implications of such questions. But typically simply means to move on from it. To forget it. Not because you "grew" but because life carried you on down the stream of unconcern, where no decisions need to be made, no judgements justified, no feelings reconciled. The things one "needs" to move on from the question simply "come".

If you dont understand all that. Then I dont want to continue, but the very simple answer is: The type of person whos environment allows them to be stable in their identity, largely unquestioned in their identity, comfortably developing in their identity, and ultimately satisfied in validation of their identity, does not need to consider such questions because most "humans" do not think. But want. Thinking is just a means. Want is a means, that must be satisfied, and therefore, it is an end aswell.

>>24801221
>even excluding all that, most trannies either hate themselves or bitterly disagree about issues like truscum versus trenders and nonbinaries and shi
Seems like a jolly circlejerk to me where everybody validates one another, and has a convenient enemy to rally against and form connections over shared victimhood. Atleast based on twitter. I wont lie and say I havent seen depressing "trannies" but I feel theres alot more of that circular validation that tightens and contrains the boundaries of the chamber where voices echo, so that only one of validation must enter the chamber, and only one who can form connections over being knighted a victim and holding tight to that identity, which is fundamentally an inextricably dependent on an external, an enemy. Can "be" "trans".

Anyway no point in talking about this hear is there? I think everybody's positions on trans stuff, regardless of the side is pretty set in stone. Theres no room for much else.

>>24801298
>Atleast based on twitter
the difference between /lgbt/ and twitter is greater than the difference between /lgbt/ and most other boards so I would heartily disagree. its less of a circlejerk than for example /fit/, /k/, /pol/, or /lit/ ime. most people considering transition find /lgbt/ quite addictive but painful because they talk about stuff that isn't easy to talk about in real life in case your university expels you or something

>>24801317
>because they talk about stuff that isn't easy to talk about in real life in case your university expels you or something
like what?
>its less of a circlejerk than for example /fit/, /k/, /pol/, or /lit/ ime.
I completely disagree. But im not sure what youre defining as a circlejerk if you think degrees are relevant or can even possibly be determined

>>24801298
Funny to complain about a circlejerk with closed boundaries and then conclude in this way. There's plenty of arguments, but sustaining a community generally means being polite to people or adopting a shared language. You see it here as much as there. I don't think anyone should rely on the external world to create an identity but it seems quite hard or impossible to detach from this concept when our system is fueled by the illusion of marketable individuality.

>>24801195
and i thank god for it every day

>>24801325
>like what?
suicide and self harm, detransitioning, agp/mef/gamp/agamp, blanchardism, hating transbians, hating ftm trenders, transmedicalism

>>24801342
2 of those things can be talked about with close friends irl, and the rest are just purely online phenomenons. its like saying "dude I cant talk about this obscure hentai manga about space aliens infecting girls and giving them big boobs".
which has now got me thinking and understanding why social connections online are so transient and shallow, nobody talks about anything real, just abstractions of what are essentially aesthetic judgments treated as substantive judgments, which are already abstracted

>>24801376
well lots of people on here dont have friends, and the rest are only purely online bc people don't talk about them irl, which is my point. agp is pretty widely reported and resonates with a lot of people, so dismissing it as brainrot doesn't really hold water. besides, it still makes it a fighty board compared to the limp wristed sparring about DFW on here

>>24801330
>There's plenty of arguments
Irrelvant to what a circlejerk is. I dont think you understand the words you use, or even think enough about how ridiculous an unhuman such an implied standard for a "circlejerk" is that your focus is directed more towards features over essence (or core to stay on theme). I wont waste your time, or mine continuing this, knowing you wont understand, or want to.

>>24798507
True. Some trans-activist concede that there is a dissonance between the mind and body but they just think it's easier to change the body than to change the mind.

wtf is this? Can't even have a terf gender critical thread without trannies infesting it and boring up the place

>>24801573
trannys yearn to the suck the air out of every room they are in, both real and virtual.

>>24800819
>> Adolescents assigned female at birth initiate transgender care 2.5 to 7.1 times more frequently than those assigned male at birth, according to the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH)
They always say these kinds of excuses.
>Male-to-female suicide rate is 5-to-1
>Oh, woman actually attempt suicide more often men
>We must do something about it!
It must be really fucking nice to constantly get help because of the gender you're both with. The women-are-wonderful effect is fucking everywhere.

>>24801573
>Start tranny thread
>Shocked to see trannies in it.
Retard

>>24801656
trannies don't read unless it's hyper autism fantasy or pornified manga. The idea of a tranny really trying to understand themselves, history, psychology anything scientific that doesn't "afirm" their beliefs and world is laughable. Circular reasoning ass movement

>>24798403
> You really have to be a delusional moron to think that, as a whole, women have it better than men.
Did you know if you’re a prepubescent boy and you’re the victim of statutory rape and your rapist gets pregnant, a court can and will order you to pay child support?

>>24801961
>The idea of a tranny really trying to understand themselves, history, psychology anything scientific that doesn't "afirm" their beliefs and world is laughable. Circular reasoning ass movement
Actually I avoid completely because I think its impossible in our current Climate for either side to really offer any depth of understanding. A lot of this comes from the annoying and complicated fact that the way I experience "transgender" is so "absurd" that even when I've tried to express it to BOTH sides openly, (because I am MORE HONEST AND OPEN than anybody you have ever met I guarantee). They just talk past me. The conservative side tries to convince me that im indoctrinated, and when I explain to them that I actually hate the trans community and dont fit in with them, they revert to narratives. Because the reality is that conservatives hate what transgender represents, what it can be used as as a symbol. They dont care about what it actually is like. Its a purely "how does this affect me and what I value" sort of perspective, very self centered. On the opposite end I've already aluded to this, but the trans community is a big circlejerk full of some of the most shallow people ever. Everything is a stereotype, everything is an aesthetic, everything is a narrative, they destroy language almost as badly as conservatives do, but have the heavy weight of "victimhood" that sometimes almost feels like a chosen worn "armour". Discussion is not had. Only sides clash. It is an ironic community, where they are "open" and "accepting" of everything but what challenges their preconceptions, their assumed norms. Being "trans" therefore doesnt simply mean having an "experience". It means avataring as a particular anime girl, it means, using a specific set of slang, it means, liking a specific genre of manga, it means, it means regurgitating the same memes. About validating those that reflect all the above.

A Club isnt an idenity. You cant join "what" you are. Thats my fundamental disconnect.

>>24802074
why are you guys always so fucking boring? it's got to be the narcissism? no one wants to hear this much about you ever.

>>24802074
Hey buddy, make sure you livestream your inevitable suicide my guy.

>>24802076
>>24802080
Thanks guys, you're right. I always forget that I'm not supposed to matter

>>24802074
>A Club isnt an idenity. You cant join "what" you are. Thats my fundamental disconnect.

There is no philosophy that will ever affirm one can become something tangible and materially what they are not, based on feeling that they are or temporarily tricking others into believing that. It is a fundamentally dishonest movement. To say I feel, but am not a person of the opposite gender, is the baseline for any rational conversation about how a society should morally be obliged to treat them

>>24798403
>and in some cases have been accepted in their communities.
As part of so-called "priest classes" and cults that were still seen as irregular to the everyday person. They have never been accepted as regular citizens at any point in history. Show me one example.

>>24802108
Cluster B behavior, not that you can't expect anything else from a tranny

>>24802115
>Show me one example.
what about Sporus? the 'wife' of emperor Nero? Gender affirming surgery by castration, and the first lady to their president.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/sporus-nero-wife/

>>24802074
Sir your narcissistic personality disorder is showing.

>>24802121
>ask for one example where they, as a community, were accepted as regular citizens
>you cite a single person - the warped plaything of a degenerate Emperor
Are you joking?

>>24802121
I've heard enough, we need to show kindergarteners sex change operation videos NOW.

>>24802074
all the responses to this is perfect evidence why trans people should never appeal to conservatives, most of this reply is criticism of the trans community, and doesnt even affirm trans gender ideology, and yet its been dogpiled and called all number of mental illnesses.

>>24802146
You're correct in your suspicion that conservatives are going to remain uncooperative to your attempts to reclassify this mental illness as something mentally healthy. Who'da thunk et?

Bumpin for more troons to come round and explain to us how their subjective "feelings" about themselves change the definition of a socially agreed upon material reality.

>>24802662
>socially agreed upon material reality
Your own beliefs are an incoherent mess

>>24802665
>Your own beliefs are an incoherent mess
Hell yeah we got one!
Why not tell us since some woman are born sterile and cannot have children, you are also a woman.

>>24802668
Some people have both xx and xy cells, that means me, an xy male who has fathered children, could have an xx cell somewhere in the mix. It would make perfect sense since I get hard when I secretly wear my wife's lingerie. Now I need you to call me "ma'am" so I can jack off to it later. This is totally normal and you're a bigot nazi fascist if you say anything else.

>>24803108
>an xy male who has fathered children, could have an xx cell somewhere in the mix
No, that's not how it works. All your diploid cells are xy. You haploid cells (sperm cells) are either x or y.

>>24802665
>an incoherent mess
sums up transgenderism pretty well

>>24798369 (OP)
You didn't read this

>>24802065
If a boy is prepubescent, it's highly unlikely he could cum, and even if he did cum, it's 100% likely that the semen would not be fertile, meaning he couldn't get a woman pregnant.
Learn English Ranjeesh.

>>24798507
>reasonable compromises
That's the thing, tranny. None of the things you dweebs push for is reasonable.
>telling pre-schoolers they are probably trans
>telling elementary schoolers they are probably trans
>telling middle schoolers they are probably trans
>telling high schoolers they are probably trans
>forcing tranny propaganda into schools at all grade levels
>puberty blockers
>cross-sex hormones for minors
>cutting off dicks of minors
>cutting of the breasts of minors
>removing the wombs of minors
None of this shit is reasonable. It's fucking sadistic human experimentation, just so you pedos can groom your next generation of fuck toys.

>>24802665
>Your own beliefs are an incoherent mess
A rock is a material reality even if unobserved. We, socially as a society agree to name it something and say what it is and isn't. Is this not the foundations of logic?

>>24803209
None of that has anything to do with the reasonable compromises he is proposing
He means more treating trans people with respect, pretending not to know that they're trans and treating them as the gender that they feel they are
Basically just indulging their mental illness up until a certain limit because he knows how psychologically helpful that can be

>>24803396
>just treat the mentally ill porn addicts like you would anyone else bro
No-one is going to let you near their kids

YWNBAW

>>24803396
Massive changes in society where trans women are winning first place sports events, children are cutting off their breasts, tax payer money is going towards breast implants on men and people are being fired for having an opinion.
>why are you like, so obsessed with us, you must have a deranged OCD, just like stop thinking about us we only want to exist.
Anon please, this isn't your first day of gender studies at Oberlin college.

>>24803492
Blanchard is opposed to trans women competing in women's sports
He has been pretty open about this as well

>>24803396
Most people were on board with that until they pushed for complete capitulation. That made us start thinking about it and we concluded we should never have been polite in the first place.
So maybe trannies should have thought about that before they started testing our boundaries?

>>24802074
go be a statistic and leave us alone

>>24803502
I used to be way more pro tranny actually, all my friends were, as in, consenting adults can do what they want in a free western society.
The last 6 years of total CIS Death and how the worst act with no pushback from the broader trans community pushing maximalist positions leads me to conclude society must painfully correct your overreach.

>>24803524
The issue is more complicated than that
Personally I don't think it was the norm to accept it but certainly people thought less about it
I think on the one hand you have conservative groups across the globe who decided to adopt this as a wedge issue in collaboration with TERFs after the legalisation of gay rights in the USA and other countries, on the other hand a lot of trans rights group made the foolish decision to back off from the mental illness centered model of trans rights and instead adopt a more gender identity/sexed brains approach, one which was far more dogmatic and demanded far more of people, not only should you treat trans people as the gender they feel they are because it's a low effort way to improve someone's mental health dramatically but you should also believe in the deepest recesses of your heart that they truly are, in no distinguishable way, the gender/sex that they claim to be and if you don't then you're evil
I think that was a mistake

>>24803557
If gender dysphoria is a mental illness then it's not as simple as consenting adults doing what they want
It's funny how much of this overreach was in the realm of sports
It wasn't just 'yeah you have a trans coworker who is called Max and he deserves to be treated with dignity' but instead 'someone who started transitioning after going through a full male puberty should compete with women in the olympics and you should just accept it chud'
What a humongous waste
In my view it was simply a gift in the hands of conservative and TERF forces but still, why give them that gift? Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard and those who supported them were drunk with power and felt invincible at the time

>>24803558
>I think that was a mistake
Ok, everyone cool it with the anti-trannyism. This is one of the good ones. We can make her powerful, elevate her to influencer, and she can speak to the TRA's and shut them down.

>>24803558
It's not more complicated than that. We went along with it without thinking. You forced us to have to start thinking with your insane demands and we decided to say "no, fuck off."
Now you get nothing.

>>24803396
That's what trans people are asking for.

>>24803601
Is there any other mental illness where alll of society has to indulge somebodies feelings about themselves to alleviate their symptoms?

>no no, you are not dangerously thin because of an eating disorder! you look great!
>Yes you really Jesus Christ.
>right honey, demons have possessed our son. Good call in catching that one.

>>24803601
They aren't and you full well know that.

>>24802074
kinda based tranny. i think the same happens with fags. herd mentality and what not.

>>24801279
Delightful

>>24798369 (OP)

What is truly sick about all this is that they did these experiments before back in the 70s. The kids grew up to be very bitter about it and would go on talk shows to talk about how their whole life was destroyed. They just erased all that so they could do it again.

>>24802074
Thank you for sharing

>>24804714
It isn't a woman because it is a fucking anime.

>>24804717
Before I respond, please demonstrate you are a human by explaining the significance of the concept of transsubstantiation in christianity.

>>24804714
If troons actually looked like the one on the right people would probably be more OK with this stuff.

>>24804714

Thank you for cutting off your penis so you will never breed

>>24802108
Your posts are very revealing . Ultimately your allusions to yourself and your nature, "the most honest and open person you'll ever meet" are narcissistic, the fact that you would talk about yourself in such a manner on an Anonymous Image board of all places says a lot. Your expression of "I forgot I'm not supposed to matter" is the classic narcissistic response to being confronted. The raised conceptions of ones self and the value you assign your perceived personal characteristics alongside personal victimhood, paint a picture of a person that is incredibly unpleasant to be around. If you are this histrionic on 4chan, I can only imagine what you're like in person.

>>24804721
Turning to the fruits of the table which aren't sacred in a Levitician sense, and transmuting them into the essense (Essenece) of a living community of fearers of God regardless of their Noahide or Temple relationship is a radical misuse of passover. So much so that in Greekified Saulene religious worship this practice had its metaphor reduced to its physical bus: the carriage of the idea became the idea. This is literally my blood drink of me, this is literally my tampon eat of it. To quote Charles 3 of England: I wish to be your tampon.

Nicean "christians" are a Greek mystery cult, not a radical phariseean critique.

There's nothing wrong with fucking animes by the way, animes aren't women, they're texts. Women don't exist, see Lacan.

>>24798507
its not even listed in the DSM-5

>>24804723
I would have been pre-tranny apocalypse, but post-tranny apocalypse? no. Me mistaking him for a woman doesn't make him a woman or give him the right to use the women's bathroom. There's a scene from a movie i always think about where a girl mistakes a sewer rat for a kitten. It was still a sewer rat.

>>24801649
Gamergate is over lad - quit getting mad at things you've invented or misconstrued.

Next you're going to be ranting about how the obstetric budget is all spent on women

>>24798369 (OP)
Reminder there is:
> Actual trans people (IE the ones we had prior to 2000) who just want to live their lives in peace
> FtM teenager autist girls who are struggling with puberty and have fallen prey to a social contagion/mass hysteria
> MtF for whom it is a fetish

>>24804846
No such thing as an "actual trans person" - no one changes sex, no one is "born in the wrong body"
When you say stuff like this, you just mean there are trans people who can seem normal and nice, but they're not functionally any different from your "it's ma'am" fetishist and exceptions should not and cannot be made for them legally. If you want to treat "Brenda" from accounting like a woman, whatever that means, on your own time, no one can stop you.

>>24804771
trannyism is absolutely in the dsm-5, they just play with the wording like deleting the word "disorder" to placate the schizo activists.

>>24804863
Yes its called gender dysphoria which was precedently called gender identity disorder but they removed the disorder, to please some lobbies or because it's in fact not a disorder, idk.

Good to point that the ICD-11 doesnt consider it a disorder too, its called gender incongruence in it

>>24804818
Sure, my only point was that people wouldn't be as disgusted. People don't virulently hate ladyboys from South Asia or cute femboys from the West.
The problem is that most trannies are disgusting-looking sexual deviants so hating them comes really easy.

>>24804848
If people can be born with intersex organs or other abnormalities with development and genes and such then why is it out the realms of possibility that someones neuro-development tracks differently to their bodily sex?

Fact is that some trans people show brain structure that aligns with the sex they identify with not the one they were born with. They are functionality different from this new wave of trans

>>24804878
>If people can be born with intersex organs or other abnormalities with development and genes and such then why is it out the realms of possibility that someones neuro-development tracks differently to their bodily sex?
If people can be born with tails, then why would it be impossible for them to be transpecies werewolfkin?

>>24804846
>> Actual trans people (IE the ones we had prior to 2000) who just want to live their lives in peace
The earlier degenerates wanted to live quietly because they didn't have institutional/corporate backing to be degenerate in the open like they do now. Not because they were "actual trans", lmao. This isn't difficult to understand.

>>24804883
side stepping the whole 'brain structure that is more aligned with their non-assigned sex' eh?

>>24804889
If there is any way to show how "aligned" your brain is to your sex, would you agree to have those results overrule your personal self-identification?

>>24804891
>would you turn your back on your faith?
Unfair to ask a true believer such a loaded question.

>>24804891
So you concede that there are people whose brain structures don't align with their assigned sex?

How you or I treat people based on these scans is secondary. But in general I use peoples preferred names and pronouns and shown kindness/respect within reason - I've actively told people I will not use terms like xir

>>24798369 (OP)
Quick rundown, someone?

>>24798403
>unscientific propaganda
>men can be women and vice-versa
>t. most self-aware tranny

>>24804914
I don't concede anything, I am asking you a question because I know for a fact that you're disingenuous. Self-identification is an infallible thing for troons, any classification of male/female that goes counter to that is secondary at best, but generally simply ignored.

It's the same way people that define gender as some societal role would never actually apply that definition in a way that contradicts a tranny's self-identity. Meaning that someone that identifies as a woman does not have to practically fulfill a woman's societal role to be correct. You are attempting the same thing here with the brain sex, but you are not willing to concede that a brain scan might prove a tranny wrong.

>>24804917
Trans has historically heavily leaned as MtF with it manifesting either in extremely early childhood (boys who start denying they are boys almost as soon as they can talk) or as post-adolescence 'slow' realisation.

What has occured in the last two decades has been an explosion of FtM trans people (from being less than 10% at gender clinics to now 66%) almost entirely manifesting in teenage girls.

The profile of these girls is that of the social outcasts who traditionally have been into self harm and LARPing as witches. Mental health conditions and learning disorders such as autism are also heavily over represented (the autism to trans pipeline is a whole nother topic in general that lots are scared to delve into).

Statistically every school should at most only have a couple trans kids spread throughout the various years with no connection to one another but we're seeing entire groups of friends all start claiming that they're actually boys within a couple months of each other.

This all seems to start when puberty kicks in when girls start to become more physically weaker compared to the boys, when they're told they need to cover up, they start getting unwanted attention from men, and they have to deal with stuff like menstruation. IE a period when nearly every young girl hates that fact that they are a girl (but that they eventually grow out of).

In addition virtually every 'de-transitioner' comes from this FtM teenage girl demographic.

TL:DR - Vulnerable young girls being swept up in a mass hysteria/social contagion egged on by a social justice movement that screams acceptance no matter what and accusing any questioning of being transphobic gatekeeping.

>>24798403
>Transgender people have existed for all of history, and in some cases have been accepted in their communities

But you'd agree that the idea that a biological man is actually a woman (and vice-versa) has never been accepted by Western society, right? Because that's what he's actually saying; not that people with gender dysmorphia have only existed since the 20th century

>>24802065
>as a whole

you really had to dig deep to find that one didn't you?

>>24804940
I have said from the start that there are actual trans people (as evidence by the brain scans) and then there are the latter groups for whom it is a social contagion or a fetish for whom the brain scan would absolutely prove them wrong.


> Meaning that someone that identifies as a woman does not have to practically fulfill a woman's societal role to be correct.
If someone that identifies as a man, for whom their biological sex is male, but does not fulfil a man's social role (which is highly subjective but whatever) what gender do you assign to them?

Part of the rise of the false trannies is how we tell people that if they don't meet an arbitrary definition of femininity or masculinity then they're not their actual gender - it's why 'butch' lesbians and tom-boys are virtually extinct now as they have been told that they're actually non-binary.

>>24802121
Well that odd case doesn't appear to involve gender dysmorphia in any way as the surgery was commanded by Nero so its not exactly proving anything

>>24804961
>If someone that identifies as a man, for whom their biological sex is male, but does not fulfil a man's social role (which is highly subjective but whatever) what gender do you assign to them?
I don't believe gender can be assigned and I don't define it as a societal role to begin with.
>I have said from the start that there are actual trans people (as evidence by the brain scans)
What % of self-identified troons do you think are real trannies?

>>24804967
>What % of self-identified troons do you think are real trannies?
No idea - I am naturally very skeptical of virtually all FtMs and MtFs who display any autogynepheilia traits

>>24804878
Those differences in the brain scans everyone always cites goes away when controlled for sexual attraction, so unless you're positing that AGP is real, lesbians are really men, and gay men are really women, I'd stop citing those studies.
You also cannot look at a brain alone and know whether or not it's male or female brain, the differences are minute and patterns are only revealed across studying a plethora of brains.
You know what's 99.98% effective in determining someone's sex? Their genitals. A lab test is more prone to error.

>>24805020
citation pls

>>24804714
Am i the only one who this post went completely over their head? I dont get it, what about what I shared was thankful and what does the image have to do with it

>>24798403
>Transgender people have existed for all of history,
You guys like to repeat this, but it's actually untrue. In the West there's not one single instance of a tranny existing before circa 1840, in stark contrast to homosexuals who have demonstrably been here the whole time in spite of frequent periodic attempts to suppress them.

>>24798850
That's just how to be subversive, the stupid notion that history has sides can be solved by a study of nature

>>24800583
kekkk

>>24805333
Catholic doctrine states that during mass, the eucharist and the wine literally turns into the body and blood of Christ. It's called transubstantiation. Most people regard it as nonsense.
Gender Criticals often point out that a man saying "I'm a woman" and true believers in the power of gender thinking this makes him literally a woman follows the same mindset as this Catholic idea, and ironically so since progressives are frequently pro-"science" and anti-religion.
I guess this tranny is trying to make fun of religious people in the opposite way? That they can believe in transubstantiation but not trannyism? Most people, even Catholics, don't really believe in transubstantistuon though, so it's kind of a self own outside of maybe the Pope.

>>24805390
Oh okay, weird angle to take, still have no idea what it had to do with my post but I guess it was interesting atleast

>>24805402
I thought you meant the image went over your head. I guess my mistake for expecting a tranny to speak clearly.

>>24801140
What the fuck is a "mefmoder"? I can't decode this troon jargon at all.

>>24805446
I meant both

>>24805451
>What the fuck is a "mefmoder"? I can't decode this troon jargon at all.

This ingroup speak is part of what makes them feel they are a protected community and unique culture so when they don't get tax payer funded breast implants they are in fact, being genocided.

>>24802121
Sporus was an involuntarily castrated slave, a horrible fate to be sure but by no means one he was alone in suffering. There were plenty of eunuch slaves in Roman times. In any case there's no indication of him feeling like a woman on the inside or whatnot, so if he counts as a tranny that must mean that self-identification is irrelevant for that status.

>>24804878
>why is it out the realms of possibility that someones neuro-development tracks differently to their bodily sex?
Even if this were fully 100% proven to happen, why would it change the person's sex in any meaningful sense?

>>24805498
The question they can never answer, so they resort to "IT COSTS YOU NOTHING TO BE NICE" while they invade women's sports, prisons, and rape shelters

>>24803396
Respect isnt something you demand, you earn it. The best you can hope for is common courtesy but since trannies aren't capable of either of those they can eat shit.

>>24806255
>women can earn respect
Trannies are women son. You can never respect any woman. They can never earn.

Pardon my crude attempt at conveying the thought, but i find it interesting how the male gender is both crucial, but never really worth going to battle for.

In blue collar terms, being for man's rights just inherently seems like faggot shit.

I don't know much about metaphyaics, but could it have something to do with the ability of women to birth, as well as them being caretakers and educators, primarily.

I think men might just inherently infer not to care for one another because it is a woman who wrangles them when they are at their most helpless, so they default to wanting women to take on that responsibility of caring for the male species. Then, for whatever reason, be it modern paradigm or just the nature of things, women don't really want to do that. They view it as a flaw for a man not to be indestructible both mentally and to a lesser degree physically.

I only ever hear it discussed in terms of toxic masculinty, as in, men hurting other men with their beliefs. As if though no woman has ever contributed to mental turmoil of a male.

I take estrogen and have a boyfriend but im still a chud

>>24806351
Based.

>>24806353
People who are clueless tools of democracy (moneyed interests) are going to be tools regardless of their sexuality or or presentation. I first started browsing /pol/ 10 years ago and was on /lit/ a lot until 2021. I left some time after butterfly stopped posting.

Anyway my 'dysphoria' (stupid abstract word) became so bad I couldn't cope with masculinizing anymore. I bit the bullet and took the estrogen. I am so much happier with my appearance now. nevermind my actual views. the two are not mutually exclusive. no reason to be a retard just because you take estrogen.

I am way more chuddy now than during my hitler-stan days. all the hitlerites are simps and since trooning i started reading spengler more closely and also became blackpilled because of the current dating market dyanmics.

trannyism is a meme. males who take up 'feminine roles have always existed but trannyism itself is a meme. it's a social contagion. really it comes from the fact that traditional male rites kf passage have all been eliminated and men as a whole are just becoming more feminized due to urbanism. compare testosterone from the 70s and present day.

im gonna leave this here because I dont want this post to be so long and be about myself in typical fo*d/wannabefoid fashion.

all I wanna say is spengler was right about everything

>>24806376
How hard us it to get e as a man?

>>24806382
https://diyhrt.market/

Just buy injectable estriadol, get some sterilized syringes and 25 gauge needles. Then inject it into your fat in your belly.

If you never liked your masculine features and you are attracted to men just do it. Nothing that can go wrong. It took me so long because I always thought troons were disgusting (they are) but just because the salesmen are shit doesn't mean the product is bad. I am so much happier with how I look now. and if you come into this not wanting to change your gender in the first place you will be even more satisfied with yourself. this shit literally saved my life.

>>24806391
Isnt that a controlled substance? I'm probably gonna work in the law sector so i cant mess with any of that. Hopefully woke doctors can just give out prescriptions like candy

>>24806401
If you live in new york you can get one pretty easily from a lib doctor but I did DIY because I was living in Eastern Europe

dont get how a nigga can be too pussy to buy estriadol. never bought weed nigga? Kek

>>24806410
No.
Also its about being pragmatic. If i get 1 of anything on my legal record my entire degree becomes useless.

Im also eastern euro tho lol. Something about the cold climate makes being a mainstream male really unappealing ig.

>>24806416
no I wish I was happy looking masculine but im just not. I always wanted a family and still do and estrogen basically castrates you.

but dating market in the west is fucked and there is no hope for marriage plus I was already an effeminate male which made me sexually undesirable to women.

I cannnot recommend estrogen to everyone. Masculinization was really fucking with my mind and I really hated how I looked. if you were not literally tearing your facial hair out in the hopes that it would stop growing then idk if I can rec it. I dont believe in 'dysphoria'. It is an american concept. but fundamentally my motivation was that I hated looking like a man but that is also found men attractive.

>>24806428
My proportions are pretty unmanly as i'm short and very thin. I can stomach having a full beard even if i prefer going cleanshaven.

My biggest issue is with ig feeling like a man in terms of performing the social functions, acting like one with others etc. I cant even imagine what being a woman would be like, though.

All in all, i think i would like to become some inbetween genders failmale creature but i'm afraid that might he some form of a cope.

Being a man doesn't feel like the right answer, neither doesn trooning out. I should really talk to a shrink about that

>>24806437
dont think of it in terms of becoming some idealistic construct. think in terms of material reality.

do you want tits and ass and a soft face? well take the estrogen. if you dont then don't. if you like having soft features go for it.

in life you are treated how you look. if yoj look like a lady you will be treated as such. if you look like a man you will be treated as such. change yourself and people will naturally let you know where you fall in.

>>24806442
I rarely interact with others so my looks dont come into play all that often.

I think i'd prefer nr1. All in all. I'd like to think some more on it since it's a pretty serious decision. In terms of material reality i'd like to be demasculinized even though i don't plan on ever having a partner, male or female.

>>24806348
You've just been brain poisoned by feminism lad. Men used to stick up for each other, and support each other against the manipulation of hoes. The Women are Wonderful effect used to not exist, instead men were the ones seen as inherently great. This is how it's been in most places and most times on Earth, you just happened to be born in a society recently subverted by women and indoctrinated into self-hatred and learned helplessness.

>>24806446
Bite the bullet but the consequences are you will look like a faggot

My boyfriend is ftm and it's great so long as he shaves

>>24804891
Got em

>>24804940
>I don't concede anything, I am asking you a question because I know for a fact that you're disingenuous. Self-identification is an infallible thing for troons, any classification of male/female that goes counter to that is secondary at best, but generally simply ignored.
>It's the same way people that define gender as some societal role would never actually apply that definition in a way that contradicts a tranny's self-identity. Meaning that someone that identifies as a woman does not have to practically fulfill a woman's societal role to be correct. You are attempting the same thing here with the brain sex, but you are not willing to concede that a brain scan might prove a tranny wrong.

Let them out of the thread alive with a little dignity anon, no need to gloat.

>>24806376
lol wow, interesting, id probably hate you but i wonder if youd be a better discussion than /lgbt/

funnily, i was called a narcissist by a chud here just like i was on /lgbt/, neither really have any self awareness of how similar they are in terms of their capacity to understand an outgroup, one just gets to claim a "legitimate" existential crisis, justifying their close mindedness.

i shouldnt share too much as that would just be narcissistic of me, but i find your comment interesting, i disagree with you schmitt quote, because I think all categories serve a use anyway, so who cares, and secondly, in this internet age, "humanness" is arguably one of the most important categories ever, I think my argument is robust, because at the very least veganism conceptually already exposes an "ESSENTIAL" category distinction, because without it, not being vegan would literally be psychotic and deranged, as near to "evil" as the meaningless word can mean.

Thats why I have the right to hold onto thay category of human, if people can do the same to escape veganism (and even then the category still isnt necessarily coherent).

My category lies on the base of distinction between human and animal more than between human and "human".

>>24801573
>terf gender critical
Translation : raped foid retard
Shitter is your place

>>24807217
You're really based for this presumed tranny.
Do you have a bf?

>>24807217
translation: raging agp mad he can't rape a lesbian

>>24806873
I don't care for any moral categories I only care for my individual power and my interests. *shrug*

>>24807708
Two troons sucking one another off, who would have guessed

>>24798535
>totalitarian death camps
never happened

This thread has to be actual bait, I refuse to believe there are this many trannies lurking
Then again 4chan really hasn't been the same since it became an FBI honeypot
As always, YWNBAW, you've all been brainwashed by internet groomers and will end up either getting lucky and going back to being your actual sex or... well you know, 41% (actually 60+% by now) and all, which is horrific and tragic but tbf what can you expect from the insane mutilations you all do to your bodies?

>>24803209
You forgot:
>allowing trans women into women sports
>accepting minor's consent to damage themselfs permanently
>>24803396
Yet modern trans people will call you a "nazi fascists who deserves to die" if you don't follow most of them.

>>24807752
own up to what you want and think is good, coy coward

>>24807708
>I don't care for any moral categories I only care for my individual power and my interests.
Your power and interests are predicated on other people maintaining the groundings for those interests and powers to manifest. Its actually more meaningful for me to say I dont care for your interests as somebody whos values extends beyond themselves because values cannot exist without relations and dependencies. Your"self" as a person is already of lower and meaningless value by pure virtue of your self centeredness. I will promote, and support right which make certain to disenfranchise those like you. You will not care, and I will not care. But my lack of care will have more power, while also serving my interests. Kill yourself. I hate shallow morally void subhumans like you. Shouldnt even be considered human, the equivalent of an animal with the misfortune of being able to air your thoughts outloud as if they should be considered legimate because you borrow the power of language which is another fundamentally public relation dependency, that allows you to pretend like you have more of a "self" an "I" than you do. Woefully unselfaware of how fundamentally empty self interests are, even in the blatant implicit fact that you use language at all.

Everybody else in this thread should kill themselves too for reducing me to a "troon" when they know or understand nothing about me. You hollow retards have absolutely zero awareness of the ironic ways in which you equally contribute to the legitimacy of the flawed transgender ideological understanding of identity through such characterization.

>>24807915
I hope you talk like this to the people in your real life. The sooner people recognize the cluster b nightmare that the tranny menace is, the sooner this gender trend ends.

>>24807915
>I am le moral crusader
>also, KILL YOURSELF
Kek. Nietzsche was right. Morality is nothing more than a way for shrubhumans to assert power over others.

I won't kill myself, and you couldn't hurt me. No one can. I live in one of the safest metropolitan districts in the world and I am also armed to teeth and carry a piece. I'm also relatively rich (for a member of the working class).

You are indeed a 'troon'. However so am I (in the material rather than the nominal sense). Your identity doesn't matter. Your physical appearance does. You may call yourself a woman but that won't make people treat you as such if you don't look like one. Likewise I call myself a man, but I don't necessarily look like one and the way others treat me is a reflection of that.

I don't need your petty moralization. The powerful have no need to justify their strength.

>>24798547
deafening silence here

>>24807745
My boyfriend is a man and we are clearly arguing.

>>24807915
>Everybody else in this thread should kill themselves too for reducing me to a "troon" when they know or understand nothing about me.
Hello, FBI? This man right is one micro-trigger away from doming 7 year olds in their catholic school.

this thread is the perfect micro and macrocosm of how deranged trannies are. showing this thread and mtf personality disorder rate statistics to even the most naive, sheltered, and woke tranny enabling shitlib will turn them into a harry potter reading TERFs

>>24808243
This is 4chan bro

>>24808280
im not your bro guy

>>24808292
Yeah you are a cringe faggot

>>24808344
ur mom

>>24801179
>this is supposed to be 140iq trannyposting?
Realizing that AGP sex pest tranny addicts are usually on the upper end of the bell curve should be enough to realize how worthless of a heuristic IQ truly is.

Trannies btfo as usual by reality, medicine, biology, and historical facts. Thank you OP for this gem

>>24808966
can't wait for the cure to the pathogen causing faggotry is isolated.
because it's there. it cannot be genetic.

>>24808978
the cure is just telling them "no" for a change

Wait is this a neofolk FTM and MTF arguing in operatic prose about power and nature?

the fuck is a "neofolk"?

>>24809029
Fascist esoteric British faggots who were influential on edgy psueds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFD7urcHZE&list=RDvvFD7urcHZE&start_radio=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvFD7urcHZE&list=RDvvFD7urcHZE&start_radio=1

>>24808978
The cure is to stop watching porn and faggot-related shows and go back to traditional straight relationships. I'd bet a hundred bucks if you put a faggot in the jungle for a year he'd stop being a sexual deviant once he comes back

>>24809045
big on /FA

https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/xo65od/neofolk_the_single_best_thing_to_come_out_of_fa/

>>24798535
as "based" and "Retvrn to Tradition"?

>>24809074
I love these subreddits full of redditers pretending they’re not “real redditers”

>>24808978
>>24809064
Seek mental help

>>24809192
stupid nigger, lobotomies and totalitarianism are artifacts of modernity, not tradition

>>24809215
We don’t use that word here

>>24806348
I don't think there's a man in the world who hasn't felt real violence, usually from a young age. We all learn very quickly what happens when you appear weak.
I can't say the same for women and young girls.

>>24809215
Of course, but that doesn't stop retards from championing "trad wives" and the "nuclear family" as traditional.

>>24809237
What? Totalitarianism?

>>24809653
N TO THE I TO THE DOUBLE G TO THE E TO THE R
N I G G E R

I don't understand why the the guys into Bataille and Mishima and de Sade and so on on this board can't see that at its most ascended the mtf tranny is high expression of exactly the values their favourite edgy authors espouse. There are issues with the transgender community in the west but they're not inherent to the concept, just part of wider brainrot in our civilisation like over-reliance on labels and conceptual thought. The reason suicide is more common among mtf trannies is because we're more aware of the aspect in which the human experience is non-absolute in its reality; we are engaged in direct confrontation with the violent contradiction in the heart of nature. The person who mocks this way of living is a slave to life, not more actualised. All life is preparation for death.

>>24809934
Y
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>>24809934
Oh my god, shut the fuck up and stay out of the women's bathroom

Can someone point out the discussion about anti-trans literature?

>>24809934
Uh-huh.

>>24809934
It's just a subculture like punk or black metal. You're only doing this to be different and receive approval from people of the same culture. All the philosophical romanticization is empty.

>>24809934
gr8 b8 m8
i r8 8 8

>>24809993
no lit discussion. thread has been derailed since the beginning by anti-feminists, TERF fetishists, and above all, by the trannies.
I wonder how much troons' political success has to do with their preternatural ability to make a discussion, any discussion, all about them and only them. It's like watching Jordan in his prime.

>>24809974
Trannyism isn't about going to the women's bathroom retard

>>24809934
>The reason suicide is more common among mtf trannies is because we're more aware of the aspect in which the human experience is non-absolute in its reality; we are engaged in direct confrontation with the violent contradiction in the heart of nature.

Might be the most waxing poetic troon argument I've ever read however you are claiming an heroic battle of will against the eternal looming void when 40% of trannies die in agony no different than when a magnifying glass fries them for reasons they cannot comprehend. Maybe the .1%, you and Genesis P-Orridge (certainly not sophie who wasn't even trans and her GF admitted so) are gender warriors.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge

>>24810058
Cool, so then you use the men's?

>>24810106
Lol
*crickets*

>>24810106

Christ calls out in his immense suffering: ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
But it's not christ, just this troon summoning the courage to open the toilet door marked M.

>>24810085
>who wasn't even trans and her GF admitted so
Are we really taking a crazy ex at their word though

>>24798403
Third genders would be more akin to modern day "non-binaries". Everyone knew they were still men, but just spiritually and socially women

>>24810158
>a crazy ex
Don't be misogynistic "Eve."

>>24810106
Lmao, instant own

>>24810106
Yep
>>24810126
No I just don't respond immediately

>>24810193
My ass.

>>24809660
Why wouldn't we use the word nigger? I use it all the time.

>>24810058
yeah you also have to wait for a woman to enter and then whip out your penis. troonism like all narcissism is meaningless without an audience

>>24810274
But I just said I don't use the women's bathroom? Deranged retard.

>>24809934
What if I said I dont give a fuck about any of those french retard losers? Also this idea that writers even remotely have any authority of philosophical concepts human experience just because they write in a way that attracts enamored retards, should stop. Your shitty writing isnt actually saying anything meaningful about reality because it cant engage with it, only with a conjured impression of it.

>>24810282
Why are you denying that trannyism is about using women's spaces? That's what the majority of you seem interested in. It just seems dishonest, and if you're dishonest about that, maybe you're dishonest about which restroom you use.

>>24810622
>why are you denying racism is about oppressing minorities. That's what the majority of you seem interested in. It just seems dishonest, and if you're dishonest about that you're dishonest about your genocidal intentions.

Let em be, just say no to the “drag queen story times” but otherwise keep it moving

>Captcha is HRT0D
Lmao

>>24810622
Perhaps I cannot speak for all trannies, but the women's space trannies want to use up is in the bedroom. i.e we want to be the woman in a relationship with a man.

and yes with a man. if a tranny is not sexually oriented towards men they are not trans. the whole point is that we are passive beings, most of us are physically weak, and we are turned on by domination and strength.

we try to make ourselves look like women because women are treated better. attractive people generally are treated better but attractive women even more so. the average women gets way more validation than the average man.

finally a lot of us also don't like developing masculinity. This is the main thing used in clinical circles known as 'dysphoria'. But nowadays you dont need it to be a troon. but I think I and most troons can say that puberty was a nightmare for us. some of the more stereotypically feminine ones may have lost a lot of girlfriends (and I mean friends that are girls) because of the basic of the basic stratification created by our biology.

we start look more like men, are expected to behave in certain ways which are not typical to our characters. Our range of expression becomes limited and we have certain duties which we must fulfill.

I dont want to look masculine and strong. I want to be beautiful. and yeah we can cope that men can be beautiful and post models or whatever but the basic fact is that women are called the fairer sex. the reality is that their facial traits tend to be more harmonious due to the fact they are all so average whereas men have a lot more variety and tend towards extremes.

I dont want to grow my jaw, grow my muscles, getting that forhead slope. no! Leave me as I am. i'm not gonna develop in this direction and I dont want to! so I will take the action which will prevent the fulfillment of male development and that is taking estrogen. and that is basically what a tranny is. someone who takes cross sex hormones and is more comfortable in a female role l, whether it be in dress or sex.

so does this make more sense? yes there is sexual intent, there is personal intent, there is social intent. There are many reasons. I've touched on some basic ones.

we are not women, but we like to morph into them due to our instincts, which different from the typical masculine one.

>>24811120
>we are not women, but we like to morph into them due to our instincts, which different from the typical masculine one.
Why can't 99.9 % of the others accept this and believe as you do? Or what percentage would you say share your beliefs and insight?

You seem like the loneliest troon in the world, as if stuck on an ice moon far far away. The tallest dwarf, the smartest ape. Wouldn't you be happier just queening out with your xisters hitting the dab pen and gooning to hentai?

>>24811120
Twisted porn freak. The most humane thing a society can do is excise you.

>>24806376
Yeah, I never started taking estrogen because I wanted to be a woman. I was just going fucking insane from masculinization. I was ripping my facial hair out with an epilator and making my face bleed. Being the kind of person who troons out is sometimes just depressing. I dont identify as anything I just want to be happier.

I do think that the internet is the primary force of feminization here. All the traditional male social passageways have fallen away and rushing in to fill the gap is a network of information. People are transitioning because for the first time people are being exposed to and communicating with other trans people. Its pure infohazard and you cant close pandoras box.

>>24811208
Look at @tr4nbie on instagram, there's always been plenty of trannies like this, it's just right-wing guys forgetting their strawmen are just strawmen and actually believing their rhetorical idea of us is what we're actually all like. Globally it's probably like 50/50 people like that anon vs. discord/reddit catgirl gooners. Most of the communist/anarchist trannies I know agree that someone shouldn't come out as trans and immediately be allowed to merk bio women in track and field events or other competitive sport, you should have to be on estrogen for years first and have measurably equivalent muscle density to your competitors. And we don't think rapists and pedos should be able to say "I'm trans" and be housed with women prisoners, we just don't think some scrawny black tranny sex worker should be thrown in a gen pop rape dungeon for non-violent crime because it's flagrant extraordinary punishment not befitting the spirit of the law. Most of us find the "trans women are ontologically the same thing as bio women" line a bit old-fashioned and silly and many trannies in BRICS countries find it outright offensive and erasing of their personal experiences as former gayboys. The main hardline position I find a lot of us are on agreement on that does get society's back up is that we do think that in severe cases where an obviously faggy kid (and they do exist, call it an abject quirk of nature but it's dogmatic to deny it) is disturbed at some deep instinctual level by how their bones are thickening up so much that they're self-harming/starving/suicidal over it, history shows you can't force these types to be a different way or they spin out even worse and it's better to put them on puberty blockers & later hormones regardless of how you want to socially conceptualise this phenomena, as sex change or a eunuch thing or third gender or whatever. Better to have more Hunter Schafers than more Chris chans. You don't have to think that's a "real woman" to concede it's the better outcome for some fraction of a percent of the population. People just associate trans people with sex work and BDSM/fetishes to such an extent that the mention of kids in proximity to the subject is inherently sexual in connotation, which is a fallacious conflation but normies leave their wits behind and trade solely in emotion where the symbolic image of the child is involved. Aside from that issue though the "trans community" is nowhere near the corpo-lib consensus those who don't know us increasingly make it out to be just because of a few loud middle-class voices talking on an entire minority's behalf and it's fucking tiresome constantly having to correct peoples' preconceptions.

>>24809934
SOPHIE was the most based tran, in the end its all aesthetics, experiences. transition is biohacking and cybernetics. There is nothing essential about it.

Im really happy to see posts like this

>>24811292
What do you think your life would be like if you were born to an impoverished corn growing rural family of indigenous farmers in colonial Spanish Mexico and there were no mirrors let alone another troon you could ever speak to?

>>24811309
I wouldnt have been exposed to the internet and hopefully would not have developed dysphoric feelings or would have been able to sublimate or repress them. The real catalyst is when you find out that transition is something people can do, and the possibility of it drives you crazy

>>24811120
> if a tranny is not sexually oriented towards men they are not trans.

okay but what if they feel literally everything else you said that has nothing to do with that. they have no other option.

>>24810169
Isn’t this the ideal though? You allow people to be the role they want to be (masculine/feminine) and you avoid the physical/medical aspect of things. I suppose a radfem would say to abolish gender roles entirely, but I think those roles will always exist

>>24811120
My confusion is in the need to medically transition. Like why can’t you be happy as a feminine gay guy, what is so bad about the male form? You can be dainty or effeminate as a man without any issues.

>>24811335
The medical aspect of thing is already dead in the water, anyone can buy estrogen now.

>>24806348
Men have rarely faced collective disenfranchisement because of their gender so men have never really invested time into the creation of gendered discourse or political organizing. It's not that men aren't worth going to battle for, it's that men struggle to develop a consistent critique of society that doesn't lapse into misogyny or hostility towards feminism.

>>24811338
Because there is aesthetic dissonance between physical masculinity and feminine behaviors and desires that is offputting both to the person themselves and everyone around them. People do not like effeminate gay men and they are often treated as clowns.

>>24798369 (OP)
Its been disproven by Nyx Lands Gender Acceleration blackpaper.

>>24806348
This is exactly why masculinity is failing, the feminine functions as guerilla warfare. Women associate with eachother and work together whereas Men are all isolated units who have no comraderery or sense of preservation for their fellow men. This worked fine in the hierarchical societies of the past, but it is collapsing in a modern, atomized society.

The masculine is in very real terms, obsolete and being slowly erased.

>>24811208
I have a boyfriend.
>>24811264
>Twisted by porn by acting on a feeling we have since before we were sexual
>>24811292
Agreed

>>24811331
(X) doubt.

Feminine people need masculinity to balance themselves out. Two feminines dont mix well. I have even dated a feminine man before and it was a disaster. Femininity needs masculinity for very simple things.

>>24811308
In her interviews the most /lit/pilled influences she mentions are:
- The Passion Of New Eve by Angela Carter
- Crash by J.G. Ballard
- The Cremaster Cycle by Matthew Barney (which, incidentally, ends with an opera singer making a daring climb for shits and giggles and accidentally falling to their death...)

>>24811308
The Guardian, Nov 8, 2015 — interview by Tom Lamont

“It’s really fucked up to call yourself SOPHIE and pretend you’re a girl when you’re a male producer,” said Grimes in a 2015 interview with The Guardian, referencing the then-anonymous electronic artist.

“Because there are no female producers. But people will accept a male producer who’s just wearing a dress more than they’ll accept a woman who’s a producer. That just makes me so angry. It’s misogynistic.”

— Grimes

InSeptember 2016, SOPHIE introduced herself to Tzef Montana as Sam identifying as a cisgender, male-presenting artist. During a private conversation, SOPHIE confessed to Montana that the only reason she was considering adopting a trans identity was in response to public criticism from musician Grimes, who had accused her of “pretending to be a girl.”

SOPHIE admitted it was not a personal revelation, but a calculated reaction to being publicly challenged. She described it as a strategy ,not a coming out, but a launch. From that point on, she asked Montana to consult her on how to construct and present the identity in public.

https://medium.com/@tzefmontana_16073/the-true-story-behind-sophies-identity-fdc3f12b1137

>>24811374
>I have a boyfriend.
I don't mean your cheeks aren't spreadable, just that, the belief systems is quite at odds with the larger community.

>>24811480
There is no such thing as a 'trans community'. My community is my family, my friends, my neighbors. My immediate surroundings and people that I know. Not faceless people in the internet that supposedly believe the same thing. I fit into the community that I was born into. Not any online circlejerk.

>>24811309
Are you a fucking subhuman retard? Some of the poorest countries ever have the most trans people ever. Youre just narrativizing. Kill yourself retard.

Transsexualism as an identity and not a sexual fetishism is simply impossible without the existence of internet communities. With the internet, we can fashion any imagined identity for ourselves and others online praise us for it because we simply THINK these things, but never put them into practice. It's like how some can unironically call themself a Marxist-Dengist-Jucheist in some corner of the internet and get praised for it.

But the internet is not irl. If you just think some ideological things and never practice them who gives a fuck. Your thoughts are meaningless. Politics, including gendered shit, is predicated on your participation and interactions with other people IRL. But with tranny discords you have people imagining themselves to be activists and also passing women just because other people online gas them up

>>24811292
>>24811374
Hm. I dont like either of you. But I dont know if it matters here. It seems no matter what answer I give here, somehow both sides will attack me and Ill just get angry and frustrated. Frustrating not being able to participate in this conversation even though I feel closer probably to either of these two even though Im not and theyre just a chuddier variation of truscums (Im only using this label because I dont know the more neutral name for it)

>>24811360
>Women associate with eachother and work together whereas Men are all isolated units who have no comraderery
this is the exact opposite of truth. only men can work together because they evolved as cooperative hunters, and that's why only they can build and maintain civilization. women can only compete, but in a covert manner, while outwardly maintaining a pleasant consensus. normally they would be competing for male attention but since present consensus is that they're not "supposed" to, they instead compete irrationally, for nothing, wearing high heels for nobody, getting plastic surgery that makes them attractive to nobody, viciously sabotaging each other for no actual prize. they cannot maintain male-built institutions, let alone build new ones. they haven't won an inch of the power they now have, but were given it through men abdicating, in this strange failed experiment of female emancipation. there will never be a civilization of women. it's either men or ruins.

>>24811335
But that's what trans people were arguing for. That's why they insisted on a gender-sex distinction. Sex being the biological component and gender being the cultural component which is rooted to sex but ultimately different from it.

>You allow people to be the role they want to be (masculine/feminine)
What should those roles be called? We could call them 'man' and 'woman' and then we could draw a distinction between those and 'male' and 'female'.

>>24811538
Trans people evidently do want to put their identity into practice which is why they take hormones, change their names, wear clothing of their desired gender, etc.

Im remembering why even more that I dont like the trans community, but especially 4chan in general. Even the transgenders here are cringe, conceited and echo chambery

>>24811573
It's always the thing end of the wedge for trannies, just like their communist brethren.

>>24811477
Poorly-written sensationalist slop. Tzef Montana is not evil, but just plain not very intelligent and if you read deeper, very obviously misconstrued SOPHIE's ideas as more sinister/antisocial than the creative play & use of the raw material of one's own human life as art they actually were. SOPHIE was very open about not using any pronouns and not claiming a female experience while alive. Really fascinating person, like something out of the old Decadentists movement or neo- futurism in the purest sense of the word, I really recommend /lit/ learn more about them even if it's ultimately not to your personal tastes. It's cool to see someone pushing boundaries like this and then dressing it up in the aesthetic language of an arena of Current Year culture considered mundane and lowbrow (slutty club pop) so as to be transgressive to both that world and the academic, establishment fine arts world they covertly drew influence from.

>>24811610
Quite interested in futurism, where would you suggest I start?

Unbelievable how philosophically minded this board is supposed to be, and how retardedly twitter/reddit/youtube tier these retarded takes are.
Makes sense as it explains why I've seen less actual philosophy shit on the board besides the same repeated Kant, Hegel, and Nietzsche/Schopenhauer meme quotes spam. But even that has been reduced

>>24811610
Drop a SOPHIE reading list anon

>>24811615
>>24811619
I mentioned a couple of influences here >>24811426

There's some interviews collated here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmusic/comments/p68pz9/list_of_sophies_interviews/

>>24798369 (OP)
Oh look, the thread about trannies is the most replied to

>>24811610
the medium articles aren't good because english is that person's second language
there's also a longer article that was published in print written in the original greek which sounds more credible
I don't remember where it was published though so you'd have to ask around to track it down

>>24809934
>The reason suicide is more common among mtf trannies is because we're more aware of the aspect in which the human experience is non-absolute in its reality
I'm genuinely not sure what this means, honestly.

>>24811725
It's just 2 maybe 3 former chuds who are justifying their transition by making it airy metaphysical speculation on the nature of the soul and art that wouldn't mirror the feelings of most transers. They kind of won me over tho, like if this was UR-trans I'd be more tolerant.