Thread 24798653

Is there a more cringe philosophical position in the big 2025 than ruining your body and your life to pump out debt slaves for the regime because muh sky fairy said so 5000 years ago?

>>24798653 (OP)
that pic is kind of hot.

>>24798653 (OP)
>because muh sky fairy said so 5000 years ago?
Jesus isn't Santa for adults. He is the living and only true God. Moreover, natalism is an economic neo-fascist ideology, celibacy is, per the Catholic Church (God's Church and religion) dogmatically not equivalent nor inferior to the married state.

>>24798653 (OP)
ever notice how everyone who is concerned about le demographics is someone who wants to enslave you?
Not marrying
Not having kids
Not buying a house or car
Not getting a masters degree
Just fuck bitches and post on 4chud till i die

>>24798653 (OP)
didnt paul literally say that celebacy was the preferable option to ensexening, but you can do it without being too egregiously disgusting if your biological drive says you have to. Its in Romans or Corinthians or something.

>>24798668
>Jesus isn't Santa for adults.
Can you name a meaningful difference
>He is the living
He died
>and only true God.
What makes him more true than the others
>Moreover, natalism is an economic neo-fascist ideology
Source?
>celibacy
Not the same thing as procreation
>per the Catholic Church
God said to go forth and procreate, no one is talking about man made rules millennia later
>the married state.
Marriage and procreation are not the same. You need to get some literacy skills, start here

Fucking spoiler this shit please

>>24798653 (OP)
sounds based. creating new potentials for greatness.

>>24798679
you know you’re in for a boring afternoon when someone breaks out the autistic point-by-point greentext in the very first reply. that poor anon.

>>24798680
Heretic in all fields
>>24798679
>Can you name a meaningful difference
God versus a mythical delusional of the 1900s.
>God said to go forth and procreate, no one is talking about man made rules millennia later
Sacrament of Holy Orders basically just clarifies and debunks any ideas that would invalidate the Church as being conveyed, transferred, and maintained via human bodies.
>Marriage and procreation are not the same.
>Kitchens and cooking are not the same.
Is that a joke?

Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder

>>24798723
You will never be a real Catholic

>>24798729
This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).

Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?

>>24798729
Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.

Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.

>>24798672
Catholicism informs our consciences that
>Celibacy very good
>Birth control wrong
This creates the unintentional impression among those who hate the Church and Truth that there are the classes of "priest breeders" and then some of these children get brainwashed enough by their big family "cargo cult: into maintaining the whole kingdom or empire of the Church. The issue is that it's just not true. People just want to pretend that birth control makes them feel unloved and hated by their parents and project those wounds as being healed as being the victims of some manmade lie to control you onto the Church. No priest, Catholic family, or really even some of the worst Catholics think like this; if anything, many faithful Catholics are quite mum about the Faith, the number of truly "ride or die" Catholics is so few that you can't even fathom that the Church still exists.

>>24798653 (OP)
>Is there a more cringe philosophical position
Yeah, yours.

Nobody is having children for the purpose of ruining their bodies or "pumping out debt slaves". That's dishonest.

>>24798723
>God versus a mythical delusional of the 1900s.
I think a mythical Jewish delusion from 2000 years ago would get their ass kicked by modern day myths like Batman. They are cooler too and aimed at a more mature audience.
>Sacrament of Holy Orders
What year did men create this invention and establish it in your cult?
>marriage and procreation are not the same
Yes, don’t you queers fantasize about your dead jew being married to your cult? That marriage didn’t produce any kids.

>>24798731
God made me a Catholic via the Sacrament of Baptism and Confirmation. You can't just shadow-puppet punch for the devil and expect it to work like it does against heretics. Catholicism is not strictly credalism but is both sacramental and Sacrament.

>>24798653 (OP)
>ruining your body and your life
your life is pointless
kill yourself, dont waste the space and resources of others

>>24798740
Anti-natalists are ideologically possessed mentally ill midwits with personality disorders.

femcels were a mistake
we need to go back

>>24798741
You have misconstrued metaphor with literal language and then just said that Catholicism was fake in a certain number of similar ways. Here's a better question, let's say She is "obviously fake," why do you care? Why do you post? Is there soemthing you want me converted to or from? Do you even believe in conversion? Shouldn't you go evangelize the good news of lies to astrologists, psychics, and crystal sellers? Or, maybe, it's just simply that people hate the Church for many manners of reasons (repressed wounds they project on Her, sins they don't want to repent of, and just generally not trusting religion)

>>24798753
>man and wife are closer to one another than each of them to God
Do you actually believe this disfigurement of your mind?

>>24798757
there is a brief and informative bit in the rubaiyat that claims that a man in the arms of a woman is as close to god as he is ever likely to be this side of the grave.

>>24798750
Nice arguments.

Antinatalists
>reasonable arguments
>concern for the future
>prioritize sustainability and responsibility

Meanwhile breeders be like (and you’ve seen their “arguments” itt
>I literally have schizophrenia and believe in muh desert mummy that told me to have as many kids as possible
>we need to send all our money to starving African children so we can have 10000000 more black people
>Muh arbitrary moral compass that I plucked out of a collection of 50 philosophers says that life is inherently le good but I can’t define le good

Anything else I missed?

>>24798757
and he’s talking specifically in this scene about THAT moment in one another’s arms. not ‘man and wife’

>>24798764
>rubaiyat
You can make an argument for this from marriage as Sacrament and imago dei but that does not suddenly invalidate that celibacy is a higher good. Yogis and Buddhists even agree on this in their monastic communities quite dogmatically.

>>24798768
Moments don't invalidate moral laws and dogma. Here's the Council of Trent:
>CANON X.-If any one saith, that the marriage state is to be placed above the state of virginity, or of celibacy, and that it is not better and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony; let him be anathema.
http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Council/Trent/Twenty_Fourth_Session,_Doctrine_and_Canons.html
Unsure of translation--only binding in original Latin but the point is pretty clear

>>24798770
shopenhauer said sexual passion is the kernel of the will to live.
>It is the cause of war and the end of peace, the basis of what is serious and the aim of the jest, the inexhaustible source of wit, the key to all allusions, the meaning of all mysterious hints, of all unspoken offers and all stolen glances, the daily meditation of the young, and often also of the old, the hourly thought of the unchaste, and even against their will the constantly recurring imagination of the chaste, the ever ready material of a joke, just because the profoundest seriousness lies at its foundation. It is, however, the piquant element and the joke of life that the secret concern of all men is secretly pursued and ostensibly ignored as much as possible. But, in fact, we see it every moment seat itself, as the true and hereditary lord of the world, out of the fulness of its own strength, upon the ancestral throne ...

>>24798773
hesiod and parmenides said very significantly that eros (god of carnal love) is the first, the creator, the principle from which all things proceed.

>>24798767
Anti-natalists are mentally ill midwits with personality disorders. Simple as.

>>24798755
I believe in the providence of science and logic, since it has meaningful and measurable effects on the world.

You don’t care about the world or measurable effects, which is why you’re an irrational natalist and shield yourself in pathetic delusions you call faith while the hard data keeps piling up and up.

You freaks are really insane for promoting pic related, a hellscape of african worker drones in service of the antichrist