Thread 24805251

Was he a proto-Redditer or a proto-4channer?

i dont think in such feeble terms and neither should you.

this board is so lost

>>24805253
>two distinct diametrically opposed groups that signify opposite ideologies
Oh the horror of using such a term

>>24805253
This, though he was too schizo to be a redditor

>>24805258
i dont really think they are that distinct nowadays and in many ways i prefer certain subreddits as the quality of this site in general has collapsed right into the toilet.

>>24805258
>two distinct diametrically opposed groups that signify opposite ideologies
top kek fellow 4chiner

>>24805263
>>24805262
>pretending there’s no difference between the average channer and redditer
You need to go back and stay there

>>24805265
yeah redditors dont shit up threads with shartyspamming, spamming nigger, spamming tranny, tripfagging, etc. etc. vastly preferable in many ways outside of the rare thread filled with triple digit IQ effortposters.

>>24805251 (OP)
I like him, he has interesting ideas. as for if he was a redditor or 4channer, im going to be honest i dont really care. He's just a writer to be read.

>>24805251 (OP)
he is kind of reddit t b h but then so are most people

>>24805271
brimstone

it's easy to forget that he was writing 80s SF stories in the 50s
in many ways he was a visionary yet superior to most other SF authors
imagine the incredible things he would have written if he had lived just a bit longer...

>>24805574
He was a junkie and a poor writer by any objective measure. All he had were some interesting premises.

>>24805596
>a poor writer by any objective measure.
What SF writers do you think are better and why?

>>24805251 (OP)
he would be writing short stories on /lit/ and /x/ if he was around today

>>24805251 (OP)
redditor disguised as a 4channer

>>24805251 (OP)
Dick is still using USENET. Yes I know he is dead. Dick is still posting in the alt. hierarchy. Dick is still posting in alt.binaries. Dick is hacking your Gibson while dead. The Dick Flatline is Viable on USENET.

Dick maintains a GOPHER server. The only place a conscious entity can know true love is at gopher://192.168.0.10/

>>24806177
>USENET
those were the good ol' days

>In Mircea Eliade’s book Myth and Reality one chapter is titled, “Time Can Be Overcome.” It is a basic purpose of myth- ic ritual and sacrament to overcome time. Horselover Fat found himself thinking in a language used two thousand years ago, the language in which St. Paul wrote. Here time turns into space. Fat told me another feature of his encounter with God: all of a sudden the landscape of California, U.S.A., 1974 ebbed out and the landscape of Rome of the first century C.E. ebbed in. He experienced a superimposition of the two for a while, like techniques familiar in movies. In photography. Why? How? God explained many things to Fat but he never explained that, except for this cryptic statement: it is journal listing #3. He causes things to look different so it would appear time has passed. Who is “he”? Are we to infer that time has not in fact passed? And did it ever pass? Was there once a real time, and for that matter a real world; and now there is counterfeit time and a counterfeit world, like a sort of bubble growing and looking different but actually static?
I think he was on to something here.

>According to his letter, fellow science-fiction great Stanisław Lem, didn’t even exist, except for as a figurehead for the purposes of disseminating propaganda. He was ‘probably a composite committee rather than an individual’. Dick’s evidence for this denouncement was that ‘[Lem] writes in several styles and sometimes reads foreign, to him, languages and sometimes does not’. And the conspiracy spread further still: ‘The Party operates (a U..S.] publishing house which does a great deal of Party-controlled science fiction’.
He would post on this shithole site if he were alive today.

>>24806765
Schizobabble. I have no respect for PKD fans.

>>24805271
Stay there then

>>24805257
Reddit doesnt use images to describe themselves and yet 4chan does. Naturally you encounter the divine and sporadic ramblings on here.

>>24806799
I think he was an insane heretic. A neurotic and insecure lonely drug addict with severe mommy issues.

I also think he wrote some of the most interesting stories of the 20th century.

>>24805251 (OP)


DEFINITELY A PROTOFOURCHANNER, AND AN ABSOLUTE DICK.

he sucked at writing but had an inflated ego which sounds pretty reddit

>>24805258
>opposite ideologies
What ideologies specifically?

Read Ubik, it's haunting and beautiful.

he's the proto-Something Awful forums

>>24806177
>The Dick Flatline
Can i please use this as the title of my book?

>"You of all people," the void communicated. "Out of everyone, it is you I love the most."
>The void had been waiting to be reunited with Horselover Fat, of all the humans who had ever existed. Like its extension into space, the love in the void lay boundless; it and its love floated forever. Fat had never been so happy in all his life.
>Being crazy and getting caught at it, out in the open, turns out to be a way to wind up in jail.

>>24805253
On the contrary, the feebler the terms the better.

>>24807167
>Can i please use this as the title of my book?
Information wants to be free. A three word phrase can't be copyrighted. And I stole the flatline from Gibson. I guess you could say I hacked the Gibson.

So sure: your book will be yours by your writing, not by having been inspired by a three word phrase in a 4chan post. Your effort will make it yours by use. Use it well and make it yours.

Please get Philip K. Dick to stop posting cat pictures in alt.binaries.erotica by the way?

>>24807179
>Information wants to be free.
A man after my own heart.

>Being crazy and getting caught at it, out in the open, turns out to be a way to wind up in jail.
>So now he had learned something else about being crazy: not only does it get you locked up, but it costs you a lot of money. They can bill you for being crazy and if you don't pay or can't pay they can sue you, and if a court judgment is issued against you and you fail to comply, they can lock you up again, as being in contempt of court.

Why were the hippies and american boomers in general so triggered by Nixon, Reagan and McCarthy? Like yeah, obviously the fed doesn't have your best interests at heart, and american republicans are a pretty vile breed, but from this side of the former iron curtain, they seem pretty small time and amateurish.

>>24807179
Thanks. It's going to be the best erotic novel ever.

>This is a mournful discovery:
>1) Those who agree with you are insane.
>2) Those who do not agree with you are in power.

>>24805271
No they don't, because they're not allowed to. They are literally not allowed to express themselves in any way they see fit because they will be banned, or at the very least downdooted and mass reported. The issue with Reddit is that everywhere is a hugbox and an echo chamber, each and every subreddit becomes a circlejerk for one opinion or a series of opinions that are allowed to be held. And that's before you even get to the site-wide rules that censor speech. So maybe a decade ago you could say what you wanted and would still be downdooted but you wouldn't be instantly banned from using your account.

Is it reddit?

>>24807287
No not at all. In fact it's remarkably salient to where we are right here in space and time.

>>24807290
Okay i will read it then. Thank you

>>24807287
It's goofy and dated and New Age. Nevertheless, I respect RAW and love his lectures/interviews.

>>24807287
Breathing is reddit

Joint Out Of Time is probably the best pro-schizophrenia dissertation and the core idea is the meme of "What if the world came to be literally yesterday."
Also a prototype to Matrix.

>>24807287
It reads like a novelized Futurama episode, but with more sex and weed, and also Discordianism and similar New Age spirituality shit but unironiclally.

Comedy, sex and dudeweed don't feel too reddit, but new age shit and eriswankery are turboreddit. Though it's not as revolting because you know that Shea and Wilson were authentic and even original about it, they were doing it before NPCs picked it up and made it lame and game.

>>24807287
It reads like a novelized Futurama episode, but with more sex and weed, and also Discordianism and similar New Age spiritual shit but unironiclally.

Comedy, sex and dudeweed don't feel too reddit, but new age and eriswankery are turboreddit. Though it's not as revolting because you know that Shea and Wilson were authentic and even original about it, they were doing it legitimately before NPCs picked it up and made it lame and gay.

>>24807290
>He threw open an oaken door, and I entered a living room fur nished in handsome teak and rosewood Scandinavian, upholstered in bright solid colors. He hadn’t been exaggerating about the scale: you could have parked a Greyhound bus in the middle of the carpet and the room would still seem uncluttered. Above an orange couch hung a huge oil painting in an elaborate gilt frame easily a foot deep on all sides. The painting was essentially a cartoon. It showed a man in robes with long, flowing white hair and beard standing on a mountaintop staring in astonishment at a wall of black rock. Above his head a fiery hand traced flaming letters with its index finger on the rock. The words it wrote were: "THINK FOR YOURSELF, SCHMUCK!"

>>24805251 (OP)
Very bluepilled about race (read Scanner Darkly and the bike scene) despite being a fake feminist womanizer. Definitely a predditor.

>>24807412
Based.

>>24807581
Well, on the woman/feminism thing, a notable criticism of PKD throughout much of his career is actually of him coming across as chauvinistic kek. Women often portrayed in the role of temptresses, or naggers, or unreliable/unstable somehow, bringing chaos and even destroying men. Another criticism being they felt all the same. One funny bit from an interviewer is this:

>I broke off that and asked, accusingly, why were the women in his novels as they were: 1. All the same person, 2. Given to destroying a man in the way he least expected.
https://2010philipkdickfans.philipdick.com/frank/pkdinte2.htm

Later he made a conscious effort to make a good female protagonist, Angel Archer, for “The Transfiguration of Timothy Archer” in response to critics like these, but I still think he had his wry view on women that doesn’t fully qualify him as some “Reddit feminist.”

>>24809250
>Angel Archer, for “The Transfiguration of Timothy Archer”
Transmigration, FUCK

>>24805271
uhhh, based?

>>24809250
>Women often portrayed in the role of temptresses, or naggers, or unreliable/unstable somehow, bringing chaos and even destroying men.
Women are, after all, the Yang monad in the Apollonian/Dionysian–Sun/Moon–Creator/Destruction–Earth/Sky dualism.

>>24807099
Reddit is authoritarian libertarianism, 4chan is liberal fascism

>>24807271
>it's a hugbox echo chamber and den of censorship where people can't have real conversations because they don't say racial slurs
i think anon is right, the quality of this site has gone down the toilet. either that, or i'm just getting too old for this site.

>>24809716
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>24811668
I'm just here to have fun.

He was a autistic schizo loser. Total incel type

>>24805251 (OP)
Define "4channer" and define "redditor."

>>24809716
Good references except it’s YIN. YIN is symbolically feminine and dark/passive/receptive/even akin to unformed-chaos if you want, and YANG is the active, masculine principle.
Philip K. Dick was pretty much a Jungian as a significant part of his worldview, he’s supposed to have read Jung voraciously at some time as a young man, and Jung shows up a lot as an influence in his works, sometimes explicitly referenced. So, good reference inasmuch as it would align with PKD’s Jungianism.

>>24812410
Philip K. Dick fucked though. Smashed lots of ladies, who evidently thought he was charming enough, even married multiple of them over time (consecutively, of course, not simultaneously).

>>24812419
4channer - based
redditor - cringe

>>24813499
4channers (us) can be pretty cringe too, let’s be honest.
I’m struck by how similar the psychologies can be of a 4chan male complaining about and criticizing the state of modern women, and a Reddit cunt female complaining about and criticizing modern men. They both seem like each other in a dark mirror, a similar psyche except just inverted. And then there’s /pol/ vs. rabid White-hating Redditors and so forth.

>>24813528
>I’m struck by how similar the psychologies can be of a 4chan male complaining about and criticizing the state of modern women, and a Reddit cunt female complaining about and criticizing modern men.
The difference is men do it in a sour grapes kind of way and women do it because they actually hate men.

>>24805251 (OP)
Cringe post. Very "reddit"