Thread 24829117

>beauty is subjective
how do you respond to this

>>24829117 (OP)
Subjective is not the same as "untethered to reality". There's a large but finite amount of subjective perceptions.

I beat them to death and drink their black rotten blood.

>>24829117 (OP)
The feeling beauty inspires is universal, what triggers it is subjective.

>>24829117 (OP)
According to Kant, reality is subjectively constructed. Beauty relates to the outward form of an object, so yes, it is subjective. Now what is sublime on the other hand...that's a whole different story.

>>24829168
>Now what is sublime on the other hand...that's a whole different story.
Please do tell

>>24829168
If reality is subjectively constructed, and statements are part of reality, then Kant's statement is also subjectively constructed. Therefore, it is not objectively true, and nothing more than his subjective preference.

>>24829117 (OP)
It's true. Objectivity is not necessarily a universal truth. Objectivity is when you have a purpose, or expectation from which you can measure.
Say you measure two noses. One is 2cm long, the other is 3cm long. You can say that one nose is longer than the other. But can you say the 3cm is "too" long? Well if your expectations are that noses should be 2cm long, then objectively speaking, 3cm is too long. But if your expectations are that noses should be 3cm long, then the 2cm nose is actually too short.

You can argue that upon popular vote, the 3cm nose is too long. But that's just appealing to the majority. It doesn't disprove that beauty is relative. It only proves what the popular objective is.

Ugly people like ugly things. Beauty points to beyond itself to what is true. Superficial beauty is when something has a single quality of beauty or value but not much else, tricking observers into thinking it's more valuable than it is under the assumption that if one thing is going right that other things might be.

Aesthetics and morals are tied. If you go into the mansion of someone who has a statue of Dahmer's victims, you know something is wrong, even if you're in a mansion.

>>24829117 (OP)
id say its like 25% subjective

>>24829298
And I forgot to say: the people who have bad morals are trying to convince you that they are morally equal- that's the purpose of subjectivity. They would argue that there's an "amorality" that exists, that does not necessarily make one bad even if what they're doing has the appearance of being bad. This is called the ablative tactic, where a layer of appearance and reality are delineated, but the problem is that the appearance does match the reality. What they are doing is bad, and there is no difference between what they're doing and evil. It's just evil.

>>24829117 (OP)
Beauty is objective, taste in beauty is subjective

>>24829131
won't your tummy hurt if it's rotten?

It's extremely simple, but It's not worth sharing the explanation because this board is worse than reddit. Mystics and pseuds. Zoom out and think about it for 10 seconds.

>>24829127
>l-let's vote on who is most beautiful!!
>African American LGBT two-spirit hamplanet chosen

>>24829117 (OP)
>kill them
>"Might is right"

>>24829792
Thrasymachus-pilled

>>24829117 (OP)
It’s not lol. Equality is a lie.

>>24829117 (OP)
What explains the fact that in my younger days I almost exclusively liked women like OP but from around 25 onwards I suddenly came to heavily appreciate black women and don't care at all for white blondes anymore?

some cocks are beautiful
some might say
other cocks are ugly and crooked
bitches still might fuck these ugly cocks
if some of these beautiful cocks leave them on read

>>24830118
Probably the fact that no White woman wants you

>>24829117 (OP)
True but sense of beauty is also genetically determined and since we are the same species, we share a lot of ideas of beauty.

>>24830156
this. i date asians for the same reason

>>24829387
This. Most people just believe their opinions to be true. There are objective standards of beauty and true knowledge of what is beautiful but most people just think what is pleasing to them is beautiful. Order, pattern, balance, harmony. These and maybe more factors are the objective qualities something being beautiful.

>>24829117 (OP)
>how do you respond to this
agree and call them ugly
when called out for this, say that beauty is subjective

>>24829298
>Ugly people like ugly things.
Which ugly people? Can you define that please.

What happens when they, en masse, like and prefer beautiful things, build and create, beautiful things? Honorary maybe?

What about beautiful people who like ugly things, and create and build ugly things? Are they forced to give up their beautiful card?

What if they were once beautiful, and now due to disease/disaster become deformed - most commonly experienced by most as 'old age'?

>________ is subjective
is a shit argument. You can call anything you want subjective, but that wont convince me to kiss a fat cow.

>>24829117 (OP)
Not at all

>>24829258
Pooling subjective preferences isn't objectivity.

>>24829117 (OP)
Golden ratio. You clearly haven't read the Greeks