Thread 24831359

Made a similar thread on /tv/, so I'll it here as well.

As someone whose entire media consumption is anime, how much am I missing?
I have zero reason to not read book, I just... never started.

It’s probably as much of a waste as anime. Try reading the bible

>>24831359 (OP)
By consuming slop you let yourself down both intellectually and spiritually. A waste of your life, a life you will never be able to live again. As such you should spend the limited time you do possess wisely.

>>24831359 (OP)
Japanese can't write and anime specifically is just low effort slop commodity. It's nothing comparable to the evolution of thought, writing and story telling in the western world.

>>24831359 (OP)
Anime has no soul. You're missing the pathos of real art.

>>24831359 (OP)
The entirety of human history and philosophy by not reading history and philosophy books
Anything non fiction really

>>24831688
Why so?
>>24831705
Uhm, I'm not sure if I'm intelligent enough for those.
I mostly learn via video-essays and the sort, though I'm sure you likely consider those "mid-wit content".

>>24831712
Hopeless case of zoomer

>>24831359 (OP)
I just can't imagine not wanting to engage with the best that culture has to offer. This post is depressing.
I think you should probably start with watching good movies and good tv to start clearing out the brain rot. Maybe listen to decent music too since that's also passive. Then move onto books.

>>24831359 (OP)
>how much am I missing
Imagine you’re having a nice steak dinner and a bit of grease drips onto your shoe. Someone crawls over on all fours and licks it up off your shoe. Then they look up at you and ask you if the steak tastes any better than what they just had.

>>24831712
>I'm not sure if I'm intelligent enough for those
Then read more and learn. I've watched anime all my life anon but that's never stopped me from reading plenty of nonfiction. As other anons have said you're missing out on great fiction and nonfiction.
>I mostly learn via video-essays and the sort
That sounds very unsatisfying.

>>24831719
Well, I am 26, so indeed I'm a zoomer.
I don't use cellphones, TikTok, Instagram nor anything like that, though.
>>24831726
It's not that I don't want to... I just never did.
What would be "good movies, good tv and decent music", BTW?
>>24831731
>Then read more and learn.
I mean, this thread is basically me asking how to do that.
>That sounds very unsatisfying.
I don't know how to answer this, since I have nothing to compare them so.

I think one of the "metal barriers" I have is that, when it comes to anime, I already have a strong foundation, so anything that I watch is "one more brick to reinforce my magnificent castle".
For literature and cinema, I don't have such foundation, so I feel that, at the start, everything might feel unfulfilling:
I read a book of a certain subject? Well, that was just one point of view from one author, I would still have to read other books in that subject, and that's still just ONE subject.

Same for movies: One movie from a certain genre from a certain era is just that at the start, one. I would likely keep thinking on how much else I would still have to watch until I got some foundation.

I wouldn't recommend most anime I'm currently watching for people just getting into the medium, as those wouldn't give them any strong foundation.

Perhaps I need the equivalent of this for literature or cinema.

>>24831756
>Gundam
>writing
0079 was anything but good writing, its only real cultural achievement was giant robots

>>24831756
like how little knowledge are we talking about? Have you seen a Quentin Tarantino movie? Do you know the tv show Breaking Bad? Those are pretty much at the top of where mainstream and art begin to intersect.

>>24831777
I did watch the 0079 trilogy, it was... 5/10.
I had to rewatch it after a few years, since I had even forgotten whether I had liked it or not.
Soldiers of Sorrow has serious pacing issues, though.

I ended up preferring the "Gundam: The Origin" manga much more.
>>24831787
>Have you seen a Quentin Tarantino movie?
I haven't.
>>24831787
>Do you know the tv show Breaking Bad?
I do, but I have never watched it.

>>24831712
>I mostly learn via video-essays
almost spat out my drink

>>24831796
Ok, well watch Kill Bill vol 1, Pulp Fiction, and Breaking Bad. Those are entertaining enough to please even retards but have some artistic flair.
Work your way up from there to Satantango.

>>24831810
Where could I find "the full roadmap"?

>>24831813
There's no "road map", wtf.

>>24831818
You told me of a start, you told me of a final objective, there ha to be a full spectrum between those two, right?

>>24831821
Pulp Fiction is a gangster movie. If you like it, find other highly acclaimed gangster movies like The Godfather.
Kill Bill is an action movie and a martial arts movie. If you like it, find other highly acclaimed action or martial arts movies like Die Hard (action) or Enter the Dragon (martial arts).
If you like both, try other Quentin Tarantino movies. Then try watching the filmmakers that inspired him. Then try watching the filmmakers that inspired those filmmakers.
You will be able to look up lists. There will be no shortage of movie and tv lists. Books can be harder to find recommendations for, but there's still lots of resources for that too.
Above all, you have to become more resourceful. That you're even asking these questions show a stunted brain.

>>24831839
>That you're even asking these questions show a stunted brain.
Sorry, I didn't have friends or people to talk to in school, so I was socialized by the internet.

>>24831869
A cultural education cannot be mapped out like you're asking. Trying to do so would just turn it into a chore.
It's going to go in tangents that are specific to you and only you and you should welcome and explore those rabbit holes as they arise.
You will be able to always find another book to read, movie to watch, album to play, etc on the internet. Though at some point you should probably try joining a book club or a film meetup group.

Read The Savage Detectives.

>>24831890
dude has only read manga before

>>24831359 (OP)
you never had to read a book for school?

>>24831896
I have also read a few Visual Novels, including Umineko. Took me two and a half months, which made me think that maybe I'm a slow reader.
>>24831882
I say that because, when it came to anime, it was something that took me a few years to learn, that in hindsight I felt that it could've been cut by a lot with proper guidance.
Which is why, whenever I'm talking to someone about an anime I'm watching, I feel the need to infodump them about all the cultural and historical context of it before even touching on what the plot is, just so I can be sure we're on the same wavelength.

I'm a bit obsessed with this "normalization process".

>>24831813
read spengler's dotw

>>24831896
If he has to start somewhere, let it be entertaining.

>>24831916
Do not treat it like a chore.
Take your time.

>>24831912
I remember doing a few of them, all being some form of national literature for my literature class, though I don't think that anything was longer than 250 pages.

The last book I remember reading was "Max e os Felinos" in my first years of college for a required course in language and writing (Imagine "pre-calculus", but for Portuguese instead), so around eight years ago.
>>24831933
I guess you're right.
Maybe that's just me "being afraid of failure"

no offense but the only watches anime/only listens to video game music phenotype is just pure genetic waste
there's no real reason to try and stop being this, it's hard coded into you

link to /tv/ thread pls

>>24831996
>>>/tv/215497052

>>24832002
already archived and they're just asking you for good anime to jerk it to since you announced yourself as a connoiseur. /lit/ truly is the best board and it sucks here too

>>24832014
>/lit/ truly is the best board
Nah, /lit/ is dreck

reading action sequences makes me wanna watch something
watching inner monologs happen on screen makes me wanna read a book
tldr depends on the genre

>>24831359 (OP)
Read 1984. It's quite short, easy to read, and you'll learn what the book is "literally" about.

>>24831796
>>24831810
Awful advice. Don't do any of that. I'd recommend reading really great critics or scholars, they'll inspire you to read. This excludes any present day writer of course, except Armond White.

>>24831359 (OP)
From what I've read if you, you seem genuinely stunted as a man. My first advice would be to hit the gym and lose some weight. Do heavy runs for an hour everyday. Pray to God. Watch and read some Jordan Peterson, Robert Greene and David Goggins (really the only productive philosophy at your level). Then maybe grow from there.

>>24834427
Someone jumping from manga to academic writing is destined to fail unless he's some kind of savant. He isn't, going by this thread.

>>24831359 (OP)
What anime, the usual CGDCT slop or 2deep4u? I'd say it's more important how deeply you engage with it, rather than passive consumption

>>24831756
>Good writing: S;G
>Good animation: DS
Bro's cooked

>>24834577
I don't think there's any other expedient method. He can only hope to get hooked on pop stuff and get burnt out like he did of anime.

>>24835166
A bit of everything, really.
Some anime I watched in the last one year period and really enjoyed, in chronological order:
>Eikoku Koi Monogatari Emma
>16bit Sensation: Another Layer
>Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS
>Re: Cutie Honey
>Haibane Renmei
>Princess Tutu
>Jin-Roh
>Figure 17
>Otaku no Video
>Medalist
>Girls Band Cry
>Rozen Maiden: Zurückspulen
>Ruri no Houseki
>Clevatess
>Kijin Gentoushou

Made this 5x5 a few months ago, and I wouldn't change much of it nowadays.

Start with Fang of the Sun Dougram

Youre better off being multi disciplined. Its beneficial to explore various mediums. Anime is no better or worse than literature, but youre better off taking in many things. Is it good to only ever eat one food?

>>24835550
Well, in a way I'm trying to do that, which is why I also wanna try movies and books.
It's not that I consume "very few of them", it's that I currently don't consume them at all.

>>24836939
just read and watch anything that seems interesting. stop overthinking.

>>24836992
I say this because I'll see people sharing things and talking about (In the case of films) "8 1/2", "The Color of Pomegranates", "Citizen Kane", "The Battle of Algiers", and I keep thinking "Would I enjoy those if I just went and watched them right now?" because those feel like movies you have to have a "foundation" to be able to watch.

Same goes for books: Last year I wrote a thread asking if "Moby Dick" would be good as my first book, and the general answer was... no.

>>24837362
Do you actually want to watch 8 1/2, The Color of Pomegranates, Citizen Kane or The Battle of Algiers? Do you actually want to read Moby Dick? If you do, why not try watching or reading them? What's going to happen if you don't like them? You do understand that you can just drop things that seem too difficult for you right now and revisit them later?
Does any popular movie or book seem interesting to you instead? If anything does, why won't you just watch that?
Anime (and animation in general) is just a subset of movies. If you can enjoy works by Satoshi Kon (or any "artsy" anime) then you can handle movies by Tarantino, Scorsese, Fincher or even Kubrick, I can assure you. Also, a bunch of movies are based on books, so you can watch a movie and then read the book it was based on.
Here's a different idea. Why don't you just ask ChatGPT for some recommendations based on some anime or manga you enjoy? Seriously, why not?

>>24837470
>Do you actually want to watch 8 1/2, The Color of Pomegranates, Citizen Kane or The Battle of Algiers? Do you actually want to read Moby Dick? If you do, why not try watching or reading them? What's going to happen if you don't like them? You do understand that you can just drop things that seem too difficult for you right now and revisit them later?
I'm afraid of starting to drop stuff at the slightest inconvenience. I feel that if I start doing that, I'll never stop, and thus will never be able to finish anything.
What if I botch my experience and have someone tell me "Oh, you had to watch/read this having this in mind" and then would have to do it all over again, making my initial experience a waste?
>Does any popular movie or book seem interesting to you instead? If anything does, why won't you just watch that?
What if I don't have the necessary baggage for it, though?
When it comes to anime, I nowadays can just straight up into anything because I have the foundations, but it won't be the case for a new medium.
>Here's a different idea. Why don't you just ask ChatGPT for some recommendations based on some anime or manga you enjoy? Seriously, why not?
I feel that would be "limiting".
When I recommend anime from people who come from other mediums, I don't ask them what movies or books they like. I don't wanna feed them more of the same, I want to bring them something new that they didn't even know they liked or wanted.
I want to expand my horizons.

>>24837493
You genuinely need some kind of psychological help. Whatever you're worrying about really has no weight and is not threatening you in any way.

>What if I botch my experience and have someone tell me "Oh, you had to watch/read this having this in mind" and then would have to do it all over again, making my initial experience a waste?
Good art is meant to be revisited. Even if you enjoy a work, you still might approach it differently after discovering someone else's analysis of it. If your opinion changes that doesn't mean that your previous experience was a waste.

>>Does any popular movie or book seem interesting to you instead? If anything does, why won't you just watch that?
>What if I don't have the necessary baggage for it, though?
You do. If something is popular that means that anyone can understand it.

>When I recommend anime from people who come from other mediums, I don't ask them what movies or books they like. I don't wanna feed them more of the same, I want to bring them something new that they didn't even know they liked or wanted.
Or maybe you can't recommend them any anime based on the films or books they like because you've never seen those films or read those books?
You've mentioned that you've asked /lit/ whether or not you should read Moby Dick a year ago, and yet you still haven't read a single book. It doesn't seem like your approach has helped you "expand your horizons" any.

>>24837574
>You genuinely need some kind of psychological help. Whatever you're worrying about really has no weight and is not threatening you in any way.
Not the first person to tell me that, though I don't know how to tell this to my family without them getting worried. I wouldn't know how to explain it to them either.

>>24831359 (OP)
What are your favourite anime of all time? I may or may not be able to recommend some good entry-point books that are related to them.

You’re not missing out on much desu

>>24837925
Selector Infected WIXOSS (Not a big fan of it's sequel, though), Kill la Kill, Haibane Renmei, Bokurano, 16bit Sensation - Another Layer, Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, Boogiepop Phantom, Otaku no Video, Killing Bites, Shigofumi, Code Geass (Only first season, R2 sucks), Gleipnir, Girls Band Cry, Medalist, Rozen Maiden: Zuruckspulen, Made in Abyss and Mushoku Tensei in general, etc

I do enjoy works that explore the psychology of their characters, and I joke that even for the fantasy/sci-fi stuff I watch, I'm there for the non-fantasy/sci-fi elements of it (Those merely serving as "catalysts").

If I can add manga, my favorite manga of all time above any other is Mahou Shoujo of the End (I absolutely love how over time we discover we're actually in the middle of a story, rather than the beginning of it, and how it's scope keeps expanding), followed by Gunnm: Last Order.

>>24834430
Kys

>>24837949
Well, maybe you could start with Battle Royale (Japanese author)
If you like psychology, then Dostoyevsky is one of the bests at that. I'd advice to start with Crime and Punishment
The metamorphoses by Kafka is short.

>>24834430
xpbp

>>24837961
Funny that I do have the manga for Battle Royale download here, though I've never read it.
I did it after watching the movie and not understanding why it was so high regarded, I felt a lack of exploration of the setting and world-building. People did tell me those were more explored in the manga (And I'll assume in the original novel as well), so there's that.
It's for a similar reason that I prefer the sequels of Matrix to the original: A premise alone isn't enough for me, I need it to be further explored.

Last year I did read Saya no Uta and remember enjoying a lot the fact that it constantly showed us what our protagonist was thinking and internally monologuing.
What in literature has a lot of this?

>>24837972
>What in literature has a lot of this?
Catcher in the rye is the first thing that comes to mind

>>24837493
im actually going to not being an asshole and try to give you an honest answer here. if you are looking to explore the medium of literature i would recommend 2 different approaches. the first would be to look up a middle school reading of classics, read the synopses, pick whatever looks most interesting to you and just read it. something like the great gatsby, of mice and men, 1984 etc. these require little prior understanding and if they are apporiate for 13 year olds their appropriate for you, while still having meaningful insight for adults or anybody. your too caught up on the idea that you don’t know enough about books to ever appreciate one; this is an unfounded anxiety and, you’re an adult with the ability to read and there’s no reason you wouldn’t be able to if everybody else can. 2 would be to read any modern genre fiction that looks like something you would’ve enjoyed as an anime. i don’t know what types of things you like but if you enjoy fantasy, sci fi, whatever, look up a best of list of that genre, and read what looks the most fun for you. honestly ( and i feel gross even saying this ) reddit might be more helpful here for someone like you. /lit/ is a lot of things but helpful is not one of them. there are a million threads like yours on r/books about getting into reading that would be much more helpful for you. come back to lit in a few years when you have read more and you will get more out of it. and another thing: light novels would be a really good way to bridge the gap for you, there still japanese and thus have similar story structures tropes and themes. there’s a huge crossover between manga readers and people who like light novels in my experience.

>>24838613
I'll give this a try, thank you for the answer.

>>24831359 (OP)
I looked at the 2025 line up and it's all slop. Literal 12 episode garbage. I then tried watching some series about a guy isekaid and given powers to gather mushrooms or some shit. First episode and it was identical in tropes and slopiness and general lack of quality to 98% of anime released in the last 5 years.

>As someone whose entire media consumption is anime
I feel sorry for you

>>24840298
>I then tried watching some series about a guy isekaid and given powers to gather mushrooms
So you went out of your way to try garbage, it was garbage, and now that's the fault of an entire medium?

Have you watched "Medalist" from Winter of this year?

>>24831359 (OP)
Most of the people in this thread are retards, anon

As a lover of anime and manga I will tell you what you already know but there is a vast amount of anime and manga and it's mostly trash. But that 5% that is good is so exciting that it redeems the medium completely.

As for literature, it's the exact same thing

>>24840336
gundamfags and evafags are all the same

>>24840427
>t. dbz watcher

>>24831359 (OP)
>it's not bait
>there are probably millions of people like this out there
You're missing out on almost everything.
All the best anime ever made put together don't even cover 0.1% of the total depth and breadth of the entirety of art. They probably don't even cover half of the best manga ever written. Even webnovels and light novels are an entirely new world when compared to just anime, let alone literature.

So yeah, read nigga. And watch movies. And listen to music. Goddamn.

>>24841562
Any tips for that?

>>24841562
I might as well ask for recommendations in how to get into music as well.
Nowadays most of what I listen to is music I discovered via anime or that I "Shazam'd" from some popular video.

>>24831712
A lot of video essays site books in their descriptions. Read some of those

>>24840327
But the entire medium is similar to this low quality garbage. There few good shows but the majority are trash.

>>24831359 (OP)
Either will ruin anime for you, or you will get bored very quickly

>>24844818
Why do you think so?

>>24841497
Wrong. DBZ is toddler shit, which both Eva and Gaydamn are not too far from. Both ruined an entire generation causing the tranny shit that came out later. There must be a timeline where VOTOMS and Dougram become the Mainstream mech animes instead.

>>24831359 (OP)
It's been a week. What have you watched, read, and listened to, OP?

>>24847040
I've made similar threads in other places and I'm now organizing the results.
Regardless, I wasn't gonna do it immediately, but rate start after finishing Neo Ranga.

>>24847248
So.... you're destined to fail. Got it. Glad we all wasted our time on this.

Do you have any idea of what genres your interested in and what you would like to read? Maybe some idea of what you watch could be a basis of what to start with.
>>24831712
>I mostly learn via video-essays and the sort
So the brainrot equivalent of learning. Got it.

>>24847266
Well, my favorite genres are fantasy, drama and psychological, though I don't want to limit myself to just that.

>>24847255
It's not like that: I began it one month ago, so I should finish it before getting into other projects.

>>24831359 (OP)
About 97.53748% of all the cool shit. Good Anime takes too much money produce.

>>24831359 (OP)
Is it like an autism comfort zone thing? why would you arbitrarily limit your media intake to such a narrow niche?

Of course there is a lot of worthwhile material in almost every art form. Literature especially has the benefit of being one of the oldest forms. You're missing out on one of the richest cultural inheritances of mankind.

>>24847327
>Is it like an autism comfort zone thing? why would you arbitrarily limit your media intake to such a narrow niche?
No idea, honestly.
It's not like I ever had any arguments to not read books or watch movies, I just didn't, and never had a way of easily getting into it:
When it comes to anime, I'm already fully immersed in a community, know where to discover new ones, know where to find discussion about it, am acquainted with the tropes, genes, traditions, etc.
Also, I "gamified" my experience: Now I feel that each anime I watch is like "a brick reinforcing my magnificent castle" rather than just a random brick.

Perhaps my main issue nowadays is the idea of having to start from the bottom and them climb my way up?
When it comes to anime, I already have the foundation, so I can just watch whatever I want.
For a new medium, each new thing I would consume at first would feel small compared to what else I also have to consume to know the bare minimum.

>>24847468
I get what you're saying, familiarity with a medium being a sort of satisfying achievement collection or an expertise you can be proud off. Its an fair way of consuming media and i enjoy doing it as well, but i think if thats your only way of conceptualizing the consumption of media, to the point of it making you anxious to get into new things, you are ultimately just hindering yourself. Try thinking about it in different ways, like,

Does what you consumed help you understand the history of mankind? what mattered to people, what shaped history? There is something uniquely mind opening about reading the Epic of Gilgamesh and hearing a voice echoing its deepest emotions from 3000 years ago.

Can what you consumed result in rich, varied conversations? how easily can you connect with a date over shared media you enjoy? putting all your eggs in one basket (especially one as nerdy as anime) will severely limit this.

Lastly, there is just something exciting about encountering things that are completely outside of your wheelhouse. About being new to something, finding subgenres or art movements or micro niches you did not know existed. Staying with just anime is like staying in your hometown your whole life, never looking at whats over the next hill.

>>24848175
I don't disagree with you.
In fact, I think part of why I've been wanting to also branch out to other mediums is because part of me agrees with you.

Yet part of me is also a bit sacred:
What if I end up no longer enjoying anime after this? It would be like an ego death.
...is what I would usually say, though a few weeks ago I watched this video that made believe that I might be fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFwZ5a2MSIw

>>24847286
It's comparatively cheap compared to commercial films.

>>24848175
If you didn't read the epic of gilgamesh in the original Sumerian then it doesn't count. Whatever people read that they think is the gilgamesh epic is probably fanfiction