Thread 24847143

Idealism and the Protestant reformation were mistakes.

>>24847143 (OP)
No they weren't. Get fucked catholicuck.

>>24847143 (OP)
True. The greed of German princes destroyed everything.

>>24847143 (OP)
What's wrong with idealism?

>>24847371
Is watered down religion

>>24847371
It's not materialist crypto-atheism, which catholics hate.

Onions español, por qué no pruebas a sacar tus opiniones de un intelectual de verdad? Hace muchos años, de adolescente, Jesús Maestro me sirvió para ver la vinculación del protestantismo con el capitalismo y su literatura, pero su maniqueísmo, al igual que el de Gustavo Bueno a este respecto, es irrisorio. Y lo escribo en español porque me daría vergüenza burlarme de ti en inglés para que esta gente me use como un nuevo Borges, un hispano que no concuerda con el hispanismo para así obviar cualquier verdad que haya en él, porque desde luego la hay, pero no tanta como los gustavobuenistas creen.

>>24847443
Zoy español*, para evitar el dichoso onions kek. Pareciera que se burla de mí la página por escribir en español.

Papist thread

>>24847143 (OP)
So was the Great Schism.

Anyhow, idealism is itself a reaction against the incoherent metaphysics and epistemology of modern philosophy.

>>24847143 (OP)
The lutheran reformation was absolutely necessary. Had the catholic church been left to continue unopposed it would have corrupted the practice of christian faith beyond recognition.

>>24847467
Lol
The Reformation led to half of Europe becoming heretic and some of their poison even infected the Church via the ecummenical movement

>>24847467
>>24847591
Tsk, christians

>>24847143 (OP)
un boludo este paleto

>>24847143 (OP)
There's actually a trend in Catholic intellectual circles of reading idealism and phenomenology (direct offshoot of idealism) and using them to interpret Aquinas or other scholastics. This is what John Paul II was all about, for example. He wasn't a Thomist per se, he was a Husserlian.
>>24847464
Exactly. Idealism is, philosophically, a reaction against many things which Catholics already consider to be le bad. You could almost call it post-modern because they try to look 'past' and beyond the Enlightenment. I don't mean to radically oversimplify things. But anyone who is interested in philosophy and has a working brain thinks the idealists were geniuses, even if they are not idealists themselves.

>>24847591
Catholicism is a demonic heresy, anon.

Protestantism is a half measure reform movement. Nothing t lose your shit over. Your soul will be ripped apart in the afterlife if you don't reform.

>>24848095
Evangelicals are the scum of the Earth

>>24848112
It was just a warning

>>24847143 (OP)
>t. brown

"The painted holiness of Rome, though gilded with devotion and discipline, is but hypocrisy dressed in pomp; for they worship God with lips while their hearts bow to the inventions of men."

Read this in some Puritan literature earlier. The Puritans were based beyond measure.

yet again catholics proven right

>>24848540
Beauty shall conquer

>>24848540
>yet again catholics proven
>...to not like Protestantism

Or did you mean the taste of alter boy's privates?

>>24848549
you got the same energy for the public school/protestant/jewish/muslim/hollywood/social media system or are you myopic?

OP can't even explain scheme content dualism

Most Catholics deny papal infallibility and are completely ignorant of Catholic doctrine and yap about Vatican II all the time... which makes them Protestant

>>24848559
>Century spanning, international, institutionally protected pedophile ring posing as everyone's moral superiors
>In eras past when holding far more power, they ordered executions, pillage and generational warfare.

>Anon attacks with: Whataboutism
Never defended any of the others also guilty, anon.
The faith ought to be extracted from the church. It will always be an evil entity.

>>24848112
This line of thinking is why people equate the current right with brown people

>>24848574
Now I understand that you are lazer focused. Carry on.

>>24848569
True

>>24847467
kek this

>>24847467
>it would have corrupted the practice of christian faith beyond recognition.
I think the prots fulfilled that

it's pretty funny how protestants are singlehandedly keeping the european economy relevant today

It's pretty funny how protestants are single-handedly keeping Israel alive.

>>24848728
evangelicals*

>>24847143 (OP)
I'm not a fan of Christianity period but when Evola claimed that sex has been Protestantized I realized that it basically subdued the adventurous and awareness of the outside world with legalism and obsession of treating books as replacing experiences. Catholicism at least had a structure that allowed the pagan elements of Europe to endure.

>>24848757
dispensationalists and southern baptists*

>>24848770
even as a Christian I find Baptists absolutely nauseating. had an ex-girlfriend who became a convert and she became intolerable to be around.

>>24848784
Reformed Baptists are pretty based.

>>24848758
>Catholicism at least had a structure that allowed the pagan elements of Europe to endure.

>>24848758
Nobody who reads Evola is having sex. Not something you need to worry about.

>>24848794
>who were scribes

>>24848794
I'm not saying I support the Catholics forced conversions or the Christian doctrine that the natural world is corrupted and incapable of bestowing salvific knowledge, but out of pragmatism they were forced to integrate the solar nature of Europeans into myths.

>>24848805
>>24848814
I'm not arguing against Catholics or Christians: the conception that some kind of 'paganism' survived in the west is a ridiculous notion from the 19th century. The pagans were totally bankrupt of spiritual doctrines and that is largely the reason so many pagans converted. Sure they colored Christianity with their local customs, but the actual practices and whatnot were pretty totally overwritten.
Also Evola was a pseud who grossly misinterpreted traditional doctrines, I suggest you read more Guénon rather than Evola

>>24848814
Reminder to not fall for the jeets promoting Guenon and Evola. Complete and total occultist LARPer mindrot that's followed by exactly zero people.

>>24848824
>I suggest you read more Guénon rather than Evola
I've read small amounts of Guénon but admittedly it's mostly because I found Evola easier to read. Guénon is the reason why I left Atheism and honestly is the reason why I have any amount of respect for Islam. Evola's book on sex is phenomenal though and removed the shame I had for being a young male I had all my life.

>>24848728
>>24848757
*Christian-zionists
And it is the Masons/CIA who are using them

>>24847143 (OP)
Protestant Reformation was necessary
Idealism predates Christianity

>>24848758
>Catholicism at least had a structure that allowed the pagan elements of Europe to endure.
Yes Catholicism is a pagan aberration

>>24848845
Thats a lot of words to say "I really fucking hate Scottish people"

>>24848801
At least those who care about consent are. The rest of them are just brown people.

>>24848861
Sane post

>>24848878
Scotts are great. Masons are not even mostly them ethnically.

There are even, dare I say, nice Masons in their lower ranks. But just like in capitalism, the lower ranks invest their time in the shit and support their more evil overlords.

>>24848881
Evola literally writes about the spiritual force women provide and that the best woman is the one who has full grasp of her power and willingly submits to the man as to control it. Consent is necessary for sex to have meaning.

>>24848881
They're all brown people. There's like 5 white obese schizophrenics who take those men seriously. The rest are disillusioned arabs and jeets.

>>24848895
and by disillusioned I mean disappointed by their mother religions.

>>24848838
I have seen that book and might give it a read sooner or later. The thing with Evola is while he does present somethings in truth, he betrayed a critical misunderstanding, especially with his putting the warrior caste above the priests.

>>24848913
I understood him as putting them both as necessary parts of society and paths men use to channel their masculine energy, with the combination of both being necessary to become a leader. I have my disagreements with Evola too i.e. I'm not entirely sold on solar and lunar being racial and do think Guénon is more spiritually aware (most importantly because he actually initiated himself into a tradition) but I still find his work phenomenal overall.

>>24848838
Good book, although it still has a few issues, but good intro, it's best if you read Plato's works on eros and love

>>24848792
how do they even differ from Southern Baptists?

>>24848985
They're basically Presbyterians who believe in believer's baptism, instead of paedobaptism. Calvinistic. Hold to covenant theology, sola scriptura, etc. most are confessional and hold to the 1689. They believe the church is Israel, and view Jews as wicked and in need of conversion.

>>24848838
I can't with Guenon. dude is an open orientalist and my origins are lowland Anglo-Irish. complete cultural clash.

>>24847443
Jesús Maestro es un charlatán. Nadie debería escuchar a ese payaso.

>>24849523
but he's entertaining nonetheless

>>24849525
maybe for you. I find him insufferable.

>>24849531
cuz you got a stick up your ass. lighten up.

>>24849538
No, I will not partake in the degenerate clown show pretending to be intellectual.

ye you got a stick up your ass

>>24849543
Te devalúas al escuchar al payaso Maestro.

>>24849570
pero río

What it feels like watching christkeks scrabble and spit venom at each other.

What it feels like watching atheists purity testing each other

>>24847443
Es verdad que son unos exagerados pero en un mundo con tanto mamador de guebo anglo tampoco es que me molesten tanto. Lo que me da cringe del tio este es su pretenciosidad literaria sin limites.

>agree with my nonsensical world view or die heathen!!!!!!
There's that christian love and mercy.

>>24847443
>>24849591
¿Vosotros dónde leeis sobre Hispanismo contemporáneo? ¿Revista de occidente? No tengo buenas fuentes.

you still going on unc?

>>24848932
Symposium was amazing and reignited my yearning for love. Probably for the worst not even the art hoes are into Plato. Evola's diagnosis of the modern world is mostly spot on and allowed me to see Christianity as a religion that ultimately started very integrated into Greek and other pagan philosophy but became more and more opposed to it before getting crushed by its own inconsistencies and Protestantism sucked the soul out of Europe and the world forever.

>>24849602
Leo autores individuales que son buenos y no son comedores de polla de mierda. Los articulos de Manuel de Prada en ABC y XL suelen ser interesantes. Maria Elvira tiene algunos. Santiago Armensilla tiene un canal de youtube con buenos videos hispanistas.

>>24849717
>for the worst not even the art hoes are into Plato
Dodged a bullet anon. Nothing in excess.
But I get you. Was deeply influential for me. The Soul's longing, all I will say is i get why certain 'mystics' wrote the way they did. Really 'energizes' one.

>>24848575
What does that even mean? The current right is made up of brown people who are trying to pass themselves off as white. Argentina serves as a clear example.

>>24847467
There is a direct link from lutheranism to libtardism and communism.

>>24847143 (OP)
>>/his/
Provide actual literature you disagree with, not a vauge idea befitting only of the humanities
For example:
>I disagree with calvinist literature, christmas shouldn't be banned t. Unemployed Elf

>>24850069
>Rebellion against the Roman Imperial Church has a direct link to liberation and freedom, and all that Christ sought.


GOOD!!