Thread 24847852

i love this shit lol

>>24847852 (OP)
This eeCumMings?

joycean...

>>24847852 (OP)
>send this as code
>the doors of Hell are open

>who as we look up now gathering to(?) a(?) the leaps arrving to rearrangingly become grasshopper
OMG IT'S SO HECKING DEEP BECAUSE IF YOU REARRANGE "r-p-o-p-h-e-s-s-a-g-r" and "PPEGORHRASS" you get GRASSHOPPER!!!!!

>>24847852 (OP)
As much as I love modernist prose, I could never get into modernist poetry. I also love modernist music (minus Schoenberg) but hate modernist painting.

>>24847930
This is not modernist poetry, it's barely postmodern. I don't know what one would categorise garbled characters set out as concrete poetry.

>>24847949
>check E.E. Cummings' wikipedia page
>He is associated with modernist free-form poetry
Even if OP's pic isn't actually him, it reminds me of some of his poems. The same playfulness with whitespace and punctuation.
I was also filtered by Pound and Eliot, not just Cummings.

>>24847949
E.E. Cummings is literally the definition of modernist poetry. Please learn what words mean instead of just labeling everything you think is evil or ugly "postmodern". You're just embarrassing yourself. You're no better than Redditors who see a 110 year-old Malevich painting and decry how "contemporary art" has become a money laundering scheme.

>>24847924
Some attempts at formal experimentation age better than others. But the only way to know which ones will age well is to try. Cummings was brave enough to try and risk getting made fun of by smug 4chan posters over half a century later, and that's what counts.

>>24847852 (OP)
Legit thought that was from RF Kuang or some other shit like that

>>24847930
Do you not like Late Romantic composers generally?

>>24848157
I do like them. Not as much as Bach (I love baroque even more than modernism) or Penderecki, but they're still great.

>>24847973
I generally love postmodern poetry. There's nothing more reddit than sperging out over someone's minor mistake, however. I would rather embarrass myself through genuine error than through typing up a post like yours.
I assumed this was a 4chan users attempt at experimental art...

>>24848176
I apologize. I am prickly when it comes to defending modernist artists and poets. Philistines often like to attack and undermine them.

I feel like Calligrammes is a gimmick and I don't really get Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hasard

>>24848172
What particularly do you dislike about Schoenberg? Does it extend to Berg and Webern also?

>>24847924
Thanks I didnt have a clue

>>24848214
His pieces sound just like chaos to me. No virtuosity, no texture, no structure, not interesting sonically, not haunting, no emotional depth. I tried getting into him several times, sometimes I even hear some faint echoes of beauty, but most of the time it just feels disorganised. And no, it doesn't extended to Berg and Webern, I like both of them.
I have a similar dislike for Joyce's Penelope. After how musical the previous chapters were, especially Sirens (my favourite) and Circe, it just feels so... flat.
It could be just me being a pleb, I changed my view on art many times throughout the years. He might just "click" for me one fateful day on an Nth listen, just like Trout Mask Replica did for me when I was a teen, leading me down the experimental music rabbit hole.

>>24848293
I can understand how it might appear chaotic. One of the main problems people seem to encounter with it is the continuous and simultaneous development of multiple motifs, which is basically what his structure is. Even the "tonal" D minor quartet Op. 7 is a whirlwind of constantly developing ideas. I often think of the Große Fuge as proto-Schoenberg in a very direct sense.

>>24847930
i think that schoenberg is an apt comparison

Listen to Boulez and Christine Schaeffer's recording of Pierrot Lunaire.

>>24847852 (OP)
Even if cleverly arranged, the random parenthesis are ugly to look at

>>24847852 (OP)
it does seem cooler when you realize they were writing this shit on typewriters

Carroll did it better

>>24848493
both were great, not everything has to be a contest.

>>24848396
How would that help someone who thinks Schoenberg is pure chaos?

>>24847973
>Redditors
sadly that is most /lit/tards too

Was François Rabelais a genius 400 years ahead of his time, or were the modernists merely a group of fart-sniffing autistic individuals?

>>24849257
Rabelais could be thought of in similar terms to the composer Jean-Fery Rebel, they both anticipate features of the modern/postmodern futures of their respective arts, yet they arrive at them via a substantially different aesthetic philosophy.

>>24847865
Joycesque...

>>24847852 (OP)
Text: :|
Hard to read text: :D

>>24849156
Schoenberg is not pure chaos. Serialism is a very regimented, rule-based form of music.

>>24849723
>Hard to read text
*fun to read text

>>24850167
I know. I was responding to the recommendation of Pierrot to someone who doesn't see any order in Schoenberg (>>24848293), suggesting that it will not help to persuade them otherwise. In fact, the later 12-tone works may be of greater persuasiveness, the Piano Concerto for example.

s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

>>24851908
sbeve?

>>24851917
s beve*

s beve
s blow

Rom dom twelve
Sizzlemop
Hot hot hot
Roid.

Here is my new poem "Balls"

*ahem*

Balls in her cunt
Balls in his ass
Balls in my balls
Balls in your heart

Boobie
Your mother's fucking favorATE :)
Boobie

N I G G E R S
I G G E R S N
G G E R S N I
G E R S N I G
E R S N I G G
R S N I G G E
S N I G G E R
N I G G E R S

>>24848503
No the first one is objectively retarded.

>>24851908
You might want to copyright that or publish it. Rupi Kaur might steal it from you.

>>24847852 (OP)
>slam face into keyboard
>boomers call you the greatest poet of all time

>>24855438
Kind of lucky he managed to smash anagrams of grasshoper more than three times, and it's also very lucky he managed to smash the words "rearrangingly become grasshopper" so that the reader could figure out the gibberish bits are anagrams of grasshopper.

>>24847852 (OP)
for me; its pound or eliot. But i like the language thing others had going on later on.

>>24847852 (OP)
based

>>24851908
S(he) s(hit)s (her)self

>>24856005
Now that's poetry.

I love ee Cummings but always thought this poem was dumb.

>>24857269
>I love ee Cummings
yea i bet you do

>>24847852 (OP)
Holy kino