Thread 24848312

I reread The Dark Enlightenment at least once a month and it's probably the most impactful piece of writing I've ever laid my eyes on. How comes his reactionary writings get so little attention compared to his earlier methed-up schizo nonsense, asides for hand-wringing dismissal and moral grandstanding disapproval from political opponents? They try to act like it doesn't exist or that it's just "stupid" and nobody should ever read it, despite embodying one of the most compelling critiques of the Leftist project ever made.

>>24848312 (OP)
Been sitting on my shelf for a year. Thanks for the reminder. Think I’ll start it tonight.

>>24848312 (OP)
The Left only focuses on his earlier writings because they are afraid of the obvious conclusions to be drawn from Marx's analysis of capital. If capital operates under its own autonomous logic, if historical analysis has shown the complete triumph of capital even in Marxist-Leninist states, and if you no longer cling onto the outdated LTV autism with which Marx justified his fantasy of some inevitable collapse of capital, then we are obviously dealing with something of far greater intellect and strength than any human effort can defeat (drawing upon Kant makes these human limitations even more obvious). The clear outcome is mankind's submission to capital, and eventually, mankind's complete transformation by capital. Some Marxists already foresaw this, particularly Camatte, but they retreated into escapist fantasies like primitivism in order to avoid the inevitable. Land's current politics is a necessary extension of him recognizing this harsh truth (as such, I don't really subscribe to this sort of Young vs Old Land dichotomy, despite Land's disavowal of much of his early work), and that's why he has still remained relevant while his CCRU cohorts never grew out of their left-accelerationist theory-fiction phase. The Left can't even acknowledge Land's later work precisely because it shows that the only honest Marxism is Neoreaction.

>>24848312 (OP)
Because his early work is collected in a nice print volume. His later work is comprised of blog posts at best, tweets at worst, and will never go into print from any publisher.

land is only relevant (and only among schizos) because fanged noumena is a pretty book and a nice larp (DG but for the hacker generation)
fisher's neo-baudrillardism was the superior CCRU project anyway

>>24848312 (OP)
Because his earlier work is actually good

Fanged noumena is such a vibe, reminds me of the matrix

>>24848437
I still have no idea why Capitalist Realism is often recommended as an intro to socialism, it's difficult to fully understand without first understanding hyperstition. It's no wonder so many on the left just see it as a mundane book about cultural hegemony.

>>24848312 (OP)
Do you guys think Land ever dwells on Fisher and wonders if things might have ended differently had they not split?

i think it looks like process and also what process and reality looks like.
I think he's dismissed for the very reason that he did indeed write earlier stupid shit.

>>24848312 (OP)
The capitalist vs. Socialist debate again...boring. Economics is a symptom, not the disease.

>>24848312 (OP)
You have to be retarded to think anything written by Land is "impactful". It's all poorly written bullshit. Laughably bad. No idea why anyone would waste his time with this.

>>24848618
This. Moldbug not much better.

>>24848419
you can buy Xenosystems as a book
https://passage.press/products/xenosystems

>>24848618
Nah some of it is pretty cool

>>24848415
God IS 'the outside' and we either instantiate it by the Will of the Governed (specifically removal of consent) and constraining IT by (natural) law, or we're disengaged hypernormalized tourists in our own demiurgic-archontic bondage. Free Enterprise doesn't free itself.

>>24848437
>fisher's neo-baudrillardism was the superior CCRU project anyway
you meant Sadie Plant sweety

>>24848312 (OP)
the left operates by pretending meaningful critiques against them don't exist, so when they come up it's better to ignore them than engage with them
presumed intellectual superiority is a huge part of the average leftoid's identity, they MUST imagine their enemies as ignorant hicks being manipulated by 'grifters'
the quiet decimation of the leftist intellectual class (to be replaced by 'activists') needs to be talked about a lot more
>>24848437
>>24848543
>>24848618
cope, he's the defining political philosopher of the 2010s

>>24848706
>meaningful critiques
There are none.

>>24848713
the left loses ground every year
whether you think critique is meaningful or not is irrelevant to this, you are losing

you have communicated nothing that would persuade me to at least skim it.

>he's so good, i don't understand why you don't ready him.
insufficient

Why bother with this cringe when you can just read De Maistre? Modern day authors just regurgitate what was already said centuries ago.

>The Dark Enlightenment eh? Well I don't know who this Nick Land guy is but let's see what he's all about--
aaaaand dropped

>>24848312 (OP)
post a PDF and I'll read it, but don't want to pay for what looks like a series of schizo blog posts.

>>24849696
>>24849703
https://github.com/KeithAnyan/TheDarkEnlightenment.epub/blob/master/TheDarkEnlightenment.md

>>24848706
>He's the defining political philosopher of the 2010s
I agree. That was a retarded decade.

>>24848548
This is the kind of low iq midwit that props up Land btw

>>24850780
Cry more

>>24850829
They should have smothered you in the crib

>>24850780
Midwits by definition aren't low IQ
another victory for Land

>>24848312 (OP)
I reread de Sade. The truth turns out on his side time and again.
He's so influential even Stirner stole from him.
Dark enlightenment and Mencius Cumbug are just some boys who have just found out how to play with their joysticks. Some will argue that masturbation is a form of art, and philosophy maybe. Daily reminder though that nutting in a plastic vagina is a fruitless endeavor, sterile philosophy.

>>24850912
>Mencius Cumbug
Kek

>>24849708
thanks for the PDF, in 2 weeks I'll have something to say on this subject, if we can all circle back and nobody is burnt out calling each other faggot.

>>24850864
You should kill yourself

>>24851077
See you in 2 more weeks faggot

>>24851167
Have you even read it??? I bet you couldn't even name Thiel's 5 favorite Twink butt shapes.

>>24848312 (OP)
Is this why people give a shit about Nick Land at all? And isn't Land some sort of faggot demon worshipper?

>>24848415
But capital is failing right now. It's just that there has never been full global capitalization to the fullest limit of global resources and human capital potential, with the consequent total financialization of all assets.

Socialist states have submitted to capital in order to keep up in the race to the end in a world where undeveloped global capital still exists and where it can be leveraged geopolitically by capitalism to fuck socialism in the ass.

I'm not defending socialism, but the crisis of capitalism requires that capitalism run out of untapped resources and markets. We're basically there.

>>24848564
Marx appropriated and monopolized all anti-capitalist or capitalist-alternative ideas within a retarded, totalitarian, neurotically obsessed cult movement.
Noticing problems with capitalism isn't an argument for socialism.

>>24851223
>But capital is failing right now.
this is just plainly untrue, capital is doing exactly what Land predicted it would and is decoupling itself from human outcomes

>>24851244
This is the crisis.
The reason why capital is forced to "decouple from human outcomes" is because overproduction creates deflationary pressure and capitalism responds by creating debt through financialization.
Overproduction, the inability of capital to accommodate the real value it automatically distributes to the non-capitalist class, is why financialization is necessary.

Prior to the era of financialization, capitalism dealt with overproduction by "seeking new markets". Another name for this was World War II.

>>24848415
>obvious conclusions to be drawn from Marx's analysis of capital. If capital operates under its own autonomous logic
What parts to Kapital should I read for this?

>>24851244
>>24851282
Capitalism automatically distributes value to non-capital holders, which destroys the value of capital.
Capitalists must respond by finding ways to suck value back into capital. This is done by commoditizing all aspects of human life and financializing them. A translation is that your live becomes slavery and every deprivation or austerity that can be imposed on you will be, with increasing tightening on any and all paths to improved conditions. Where economic growth outpaces increases to standards of living.
This results in social collapse.
Capitalists planned for and avoided this by seeking uncapitalized markets, primarily in Asia. World War II was fought over whether Europe or America would be able to develop Asia to preserve capitalism temporarily in their domestic economies.

>>24851294
Someone needs to compile a resources showing the writers Marx stole all his ideas from so you can get them without going through that idiot.

>>24851197
>have you read it
No. I read fanged noumena and gave dark enlightenment a shot after but found it boring. Maybe if I read it in 2015/2016 when right wing judeo capitalist civnat politics were cool it would have resonated but at this stage of the game it’s stale

>>24850780
I don't need to make it any more complicated than that.

>>24851300
there are plenty of uncapitalised markets and new ones are created regularly
communists have thought capitalism is verging on collapse for 200 years now

>>24851620
Nope.
There are still many natural resources to exploit but cost of extraction vs. proven reserves has put marginal limits on this.
This is exacerbated by limits on human capital.
Thanks to feminism, IQ rates are going down.
Thanks to the institutional needs of the post-war managerial hegemony that protects and advances the prerogatives of global capitalism, meaningful talent is being suppressed in favor of politically compliant managerial officers.

There is no more human capital to develop that won't be disruptive to the system of capitalism as such after Indian human capital is fully developed.

While I would agree the Indian tap of mediocre, strings attached, destined-to-backfire talent is far from fully tapped, there is no more room in developed economies to accommodate more jeet replacement.

The marginal value extracted from using jeet labor as replacements for Western labor has run dry - not due to lack of additional Hindus - but due to the relatively full replacement of the white Western middle class in upcoming generations.

Capitalism has no more low hanging fruit and is already in a process of total cannibalization. I don't think it can even last very long in this process simply due to its marginal fragility. There's plenty to cannibalize, but without undercapitalized markets in resources, consumption or labor, that cannibalism will fracture social stability and break supply chains.

>>24851448
>but at this stage of the game it’s stale
it's more relevant than ever, are you even aware of who's president right now? we have reached the political singularity, or are at the very least edging its event horizon.

>>24848312 (OP)
Xenosystems is better

>>24851796
huh

Bump

>>24852233
and the political landscape has never been more bleak and miserable, humanity has never been less enlightened or creative, everyone has retreated into degenerate fantasies to distract from the endless alienation and misery especially the people with their hands on the levers of power, what has any of this accomplished? Land may have incidentally prophesied human apathy and entropy to obliterate our autonomy and perhaps life as we know it, but obviously that is not a good thing, there is no positive vision for the future advocated by any reactionary, just a desire to worship an apocalyptic beast that will come in the paltry form of a runaway greenhouse effect as opposed to an epic supervillain machine god, itself a degenerate retreat into the toy box for a bunch of feeble minded software engineers, who desire to paint the "ai" waste machines with the Matrix or LOTR IPs. When the leader of the intellectual movement is Curtis Yarvin a literal Bicycle Helmet Retard you are overdue for the realization that all of this is drivel justifying idleness as the algorithms devour all of God's creation

>>24854929
>Curtis Yarvin a literal Bicycle Helmet Retard

>>24848312 (OP)
the left is still seething decades later that their ebin cyberpunk marxist flipped on them

>>24854929
Yarvin is about 50 IQ points higher than you. I love seeing midwits use ad hom on people they are threatened by, thus exposing their own weakness. It's so funny.

>>24855076
>Yarvin is about 50 IQ points higher than you
NTA but is he tho?

It's all nonsense OP, you've fallen prey to the reactionary mind virus. Pick up Hegel instead and chill out.

>>24852233
>reached the political singularity
No we haven't, what?

>>24855076
He might be more intelligent than you given that you offer no ability to support his agenda but he is really plainly stupid, I have read his writings on literature he has not understood a single book he has read (he once seriously pondered "what would Dostoevsky think about the Covid Vaccine" what a fucking idiot), he has no conception of history or geopolitical reality (the John Kerry swift boat controversy was what he said awakened him to the dishonesty of politics), his grand political vision is "what if a cabal of airline pilots regulated tech eco city states because people already trust them", his moral understanding is literally that people cannot care about their closest family members (and he justifies this with statistics he fundamentally misattributes and misreads). I do not believe he has demonstrated an understanding of anything. He name drops incessantly with absolutely no substance other than creating a vague aesthetic dress for a non ideology, the most specific thing I have ever heard him say was that political coherence and truth are immaterial - there are only factions and their livery, and his is composed of pure lies because if his faction purely regurgitates his lies that proves unwavering loyalty (of people incapable of independent thought or any discernment but the point stands). His strategy is purely to appear intelligent to imbeciles who have never read anything and he admits to this. Other than ideas and works physiognomy and taste are a key determiner of intelligence and he is a profoundly hideous fat oaf who waddles around in bicycle helmets and leather jackets like the retard he is

>>24855076
Care about anyone other than their closest family members

>>24855834
>what if a cabal of airline pilots regulated tech eco city states because people already trust them
That's just Dune

>>24854929
>enlightened
Constantly seeking to gratify your worldly desires is not enlightenment. But this was the logic of both east and west even before the USSR collapsed. It all amounted to endless increases in quality of life, bread and circuses but with more sophistication.
Yarvin actually hates this, at least in his early writings (why sam altman is not a blithering idiot).

>>24855401
Hegel was a knuckledragging retard whose ultimate philosophical goal amounted to humanity living in a base and hedonistic utopia free of any pain and full of endless mind-numbing pleasure