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Which is the best? The most profound? The most literary? The most fun?
Anonymous No.24849530 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
Based solely on the fun factor, how much I personally enjoyed them:
Paradife Loft > Aeneid > Iliad > Divine Comedy > Odyssey
Divine Comedy is the most profound theologically, but it's a bit of a chore to read with all the footnotes you have to check.
Anonymous No.24849532 [Report]
no way you did dante dirty like that
Anonymous No.24849534 [Report] >>24849597 >>24849635 >>24849871
>>24849521 (OP)
>Divine Comedy is the most profound theologically
it's fan fiction.
Anonymous No.24849540 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
Found the Odyssey Of Homer, Pope version in the bargain bin of a used bookstore and picked it up for 1$. if I have nobody else to keep me accountable to being a different, person with an attention span, hopefully Homer, Pope and /LIT/ will.
Anonymous No.24849542 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
George Chapman > Alexander Pope
Anonymous No.24849597 [Report]
>>24849534
literally all of them are
Anonymous No.24849635 [Report] >>24849640 >>24849694 >>24849746 >>24849780
>>24849534
Imagine being so low iq and/or uneducated that you actually believed a /lit/ meme about the greatest poet to ever live.
Anonymous No.24849640 [Report] >>24849646
>>24849635
What makes him the greatest poet to ever live?
Anonymous No.24849646 [Report] >>24849670 >>24849768
>>24849640
Technical considerations of verse aside, there's probably never been a poet with as great an imagination and intensity as Dante. Dumb people take it for granted that such a world as the Divine Comedy exists but he had to create everything in it.
Anonymous No.24849670 [Report] >>24849686
>>24849646
Eh I think the structure as an allegory and an intellectual framework is less impressive than Homer's imaginative achievement balancing several characters and storylines and moving parts simultaneously with true unrelenting emotional intensity
Anonymous No.24849686 [Report] >>24849728
>>24849670
On the whole, I wouldn't confidently say Dante or Homer are superior to the other, but Dante's skills as a visual painter are undoubtedly superior to Homer's. He is a much more visual poet.
Anonymous No.24849694 [Report]
>>24849635
Anonymous No.24849728 [Report]
>>24849686
Is there a particular passage you think is most demonstrative of this?
Anonymous No.24849738 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
>Æneid
>Iliad
>Divine Comedy
>Divine Comedy
Anonymous No.24849746 [Report] >>24849749 >>24849753 >>24849754 >>24849871
>>24849635
anon, you're getting livid over a religious equivalent of an isekai power fantasy.
Anonymous No.24849748 [Report]
bro's got anime refs in his back pocket lmao
Anonymous No.24849749 [Report]
>>24849746
Kek, I haven't heard that before.
Anonymous No.24849751 [Report] >>24854587
>>24849521 (OP)
For the Big Four it's:

Comedy > Aeneid > Iliad > Odyssey

I wouldn't put the others on the same tier. Although, I do think Paradise Lost is excellent in many ways.
Anonymous No.24849753 [Report] >>24850224
>>24849746
>power fantasy le bad
woman moment. Bet you glaze Apothecary Diaries and hate shonen
Anonymous No.24849754 [Report]
>>24849746
Anon, you're getting your opinions about literature from /lit/ memes. That's far more embarrassing. Try to be more original.
Anonymous No.24849768 [Report]
>>24849646
Dante does a ton of interesting technical things too, and interesting numerological things, etc. People reading him on translation really don't know what they're missing and I think that one of the main reasons people will rank Milton up with him, whereas I think there is an obvious gap, as great as Milton is (and I say this as someone whose first language is English).

Milton does all sorts of clever things like having Satan speak through chains of self-referential similes, while God never uses similes, some neat numerological introductions (Sin enters on line 666, the fall occurs in line 999 of the respective books). But Dante does this sort of thing at a much greater level of complexity and virtuosity. The way themes reccur at the same point in the ascending spiral arc of the narrative and how the character's movements mimic this is really something else, all the patterns within patterns which of course goes with his theology of creation as theophany.

But I'm also a philosopher by training so this probably biases me because I think Dante is more obviously the most philosophical of all the great poets. And while he is in many areas derivative, he brings his sources to life in a brilliant fusion and I think he is more novel than people give him credit for on politics and history.
Anonymous No.24849779 [Report]
I find the idea that one's favorite part of the Commedia reveals something about the reader. I have slowly gone from preferring the Inferno to the Purgatorio to the Paradiso. The guys who do the Teaching Company Lectures on it (which are quite good) say they've taught it to secular university kids, prisoners on the road to redemption, and monks, and the pattern is that the undergrads prefer the Inferno, the prisoners the Purgatorio, and the monks the Paradiso.
Anonymous No.24849780 [Report] >>24849871
>>24849635
Shitalian in the building
Anonymous No.24849871 [Report] >>24850036 >>24850046
>>24849534
>>24849746
>>24849780
Why are zoomers so braindead and anti-intellectual?
Anonymous No.24850036 [Report]
>>24849871
presumably because the braindead and anti-intellectual weren't the ones who brought about the heaven on earth they now have to contend with.
Anonymous No.24850046 [Report] >>24854945
>>24849871
beepbeepboopboop + the most updooted sm post thinks for me beepbeeppooppoop
Anonymous No.24850058 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
Now this is epic
Anonymous No.24850079 [Report]
Odyssey (good translation) > Iliad (good translation) > Argonautica (original?) > Iliad (Pope) > Odyssey (Pope) > Aeneid (Dryden) > Paradife Loft > Divine Comedy

Play whatever jewish numerological games you want, I still don‘t care about a poem where all the heroes are vilified and all the faggots and virgins are lionized.
Anonymous No.24850199 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
>Which is the best?
The Iliad
>The most profound?
The Divine Comedy
>The most literary?
The Divine Comedy
>The most fun?
The Odyssey
Anonymous No.24850224 [Report]
>>24849753
fucking kek, they're usually the kind
Anonymous No.24850606 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
>Pope's novels passed off as the Iliad and the Odyssey
Anonymous No.24851226 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
Iliad>Paradife Loft>Odyssey>Argonautica>Aeneid>Divine Comedy

I love all these up to the Argo, then it's a steep drop
Anonymous No.24852994 [Report] >>24853190 >>24853219
>>24849521 (OP)
>Which is the best?
Faust
>The most profound?
Faust
>The most literary?
Faust
>The most fun?
Faust
Anonymous No.24853028 [Report] >>24853190 >>24853219
>>24849521 (OP)
Goethe's Faust
Anonymous No.24853190 [Report] >>24853227
>>24853028
>>24852994
Not an epic
Anonymous No.24853219 [Report]
>>24852994
>>24853028
more like fagst
Anonymous No.24853227 [Report] >>24853268
>>24853190
Yes it is. And Dante did not write epics
Anonymous No.24853268 [Report] >>24853289
>>24853227
Faust isn't a hero and the scope isn't epic. It's a drama.
Anonymous No.24853289 [Report]
>>24853268
Incorrect. Faust cuckolds Menelaus from Helen after destroying his army. His adventures are epic-tier
Anonymous No.24854587 [Report]
>>24849751
Paradise Lost is overrated. Hackney impression of his superiors. I agree with the ranking though.
Anonymous No.24854942 [Report]
>>24849521 (OP)
The Ring Cycle
Anonymous No.24854945 [Report]
>>24850046
sm?
Anonymous No.24854953 [Report] >>24854957 >>24855535
>>24849521 (OP)
Whats the best English translation of Divine Comedy? The amount I've seen I like Palma the most, but am generally skeptical of new editions of everything.
Anonymous No.24854957 [Report] >>24854994 >>24855004 >>24855539
>>24854953
Anonymous No.24854994 [Report]
>>24854957
This is why I come to this site.
Anonymous No.24855004 [Report]
>>24854957
Based on this, Hollander and Sayer stand out the most. Dedicated readers should read both.
Anonymous No.24855535 [Report] >>24855539
>>24854953
longfellow because he's an actual poet
Anonymous No.24855539 [Report]
>>24854957
>>24855535
also the Wyoming Catholic College version is annotated