Thread 24850035

This is the only genre that makes money and the money train isn't stopping any time soon. Short of a puritanical John Carpenter style government, there will always be demand for this shit.

The question is, can a dude write successful girlporn? This is the literary question.
I'm going to read this milking farm thing and see if I can't get a knack for how women write. I'm suspecting it's a bit like this:

>Minimal attention to details and the world, emphasis on personal impressions and feelings; the world as a set of things that make you feel different ways.
>Braindead, 12-15 year old brain simplicity.
Imagine a Middle School girl trying to "speed download" social gossip updates to a friend.
>Vanity, ego, zero accountability, petty delusions, cliches.
This will require a bit of research and marketing savvy just to collect up what today's cliches are. Fortunately, women are dead simple and just go on TikTok/Twitter and see what buzzwords come up a lot.
>Sultry language.
This one's tough. From what I understand explicit, gross language is what sells this shit and is the female equivalent of visually seeing porn. On the other hand, I have a feeling that I could write porn that is vastly more detailed and explicit than what women read and would alienate them. I have a feeling it's just stuff like, "sweaty" "bulge" "heaving" "cock!" "pulsing". Words that sound distinctly naughty but remain vague. It's not about visualizing, even through text, sexual mechanics. It's about breaking social taboos so women feel "naughty" and liberated from their neurotic sexual restraints.
>Female attraction
This is tough. How far do you go with "big muscles, ripped body"? How much do women want to read that, and when is it too much? Women like being dominated but they like to feel it was their choice to be dominated. As a man who understands women very well, I don't want to tap into their sexual triggers too accurately because that might lead to a sense of "revealing too much" about female sexuality which women don't like. They like most of it to remain implicit and simple.

That said, after I nuke my brain with Morning Glory Milking Farm, I'm going to try a couple more to see if my sense of the format is correct.

It should be utterly trivially to right one of these things after that. They're poorly written and short. I can easily embellish the sexual acts to be ten times as spicy as long as I'm aware of the boundaries, men visualize way better than women do. Secondly, as long as I pander to women, I could probably produce a plot a thousand times more compelling.

I literally need like $50k in my life right now for a couple things and I have a feeling I could just pump out 10 of these fuckers in a series and get there.

>>24850035 (OP)
>Minimal attention to details and the world, emphasis on personal impressions and feelings; the world as a set of things that make you feel different ways.
>Vanity, ego, zero accountability, petty delusions, cliches.
This is on point for feminized writing, but I could never sell my soul by adding more of such trash to the world

>>24850035 (OP)
Being a writer is one of the worst get-rich-quick schemes you can embark on. Even if you acquire the skills necessary to tell a cohesive, marketable story your odds of making a killing—or any cash at all—are extremely low.

>>24850035 (OP)
>This is the only genre that makes money
Lots of low-effort genres make money
Look into LitRPG/the royalroad web serial scene if you want another hilarious example

The latter is what I personally would write if I wanted to sell out. At least it's non-porn and male-focused, even if it's autistic and retarded

I think of feeding some poor LLM girlporn novels and telling it to write me more I think it would do a pretty good job seeing how souless and generic most of them are

>>24850504
I already have the skills, I just have to familiarize with a format and be attentive to marketing trends to get the right topics and buzzwords.
>odds of making a killing in cash
Are almost exclusively in the girlporn genre

>>24850542
Is it selling out if you write female romantic fiction and sell better than female authors, tapping into the female mind better than people who actually live in it?
Quite aspirational.

>>24850555
I don't know why people think they'll just LLM girlporn training.
My WPM for novel writing is extremely high. I'm less good at characters because I can't relate to normies and I've never been pretentious enough to write my actual voice. However, apeing bottom of the barrel female erotic tropes shouldn't be rocket science.
These books aren't very long. I'm sure I could bang them out quickly.

>>24850555
Title: Twilight Nectar Hive
In the bustling interspecies suburb of Briar Glen, overworked barista Lila is drowning in credit card debt and daydreams of ditching her soul-sucking coffee shop gig. When a cryptic job listing pops up for "Nectar Extraction Specialists" at the exclusive Twilight Nectar Hive—a pharmaceutical apiary harvesting potent, glow-in-the-dark essence from giant, humanoid bee-men for luxury energy elixirs and fertility boosters—she applies on a whim. No experience required, full benefits, and pay that could finally let her afford rent without roommates.
Lila's first shift involves suiting up in a hazmat-like bee suit, entering private "collection chambers," and using specialized vibrating tools to stimulate the bee-men's oversized, pollen-dusted appendages until they release rivers of shimmering nectar. It's clinical at first... until she meets Thorne, a brooding, golden-furred drone with iridescent wings, a deep rumbling buzz that vibrates through her core, and a sting-tipped tail he's painfully self-conscious about. Thorne's been a regular donor for years, hiding his loneliness behind a gruff exterior, but Lila's gentle touch and witty banter awaken something primal in him.
As Lila navigates awkward hive politics (queen bee drama, anyone?), dodges nosy werewolf coworkers, and discovers the aphrodisiac side effects of accidental nectar exposure, sparks fly. Thorne starts requesting her exclusively, leading to forbidden after-hours "private sessions" where professional boundaries dissolve into tentacle-like proboscis play, wing-wrapped cuddles, and size-difference ecstasy that leaves them both buzzing. But when corporate overseers threaten to automate the hive and "retire" the drones, Lila must team up with Thorne to save his colony—proving that true sweetness comes from embracing the sting of vulnerability.
This novella-length story would clock in around 60k words, packed with fluid-heavy scenes, praise kink, and feel-good vibes: think office romance meets bee-pun humor, with Lila upgrading from generic lattes to name-brand honey lattes by the end. Guaranteed monster bait with heart!

>>24850577
Im 70% convinced that these books use ai. Even the covers look ai generated

>>24850577
>office romance
Too complicated and requiring the development of plot structures. Instead, office romance TROPES, where simple everyday scenarios are textured with STUPID CLICHES so they elevate to a woman's conception of drama. You don't have to actually write drama, you just have to give the experience of "my life is a story and I'm the main character". Trappings and decorations are how that is achieved, and competition over these where the protagonist is never wrong about or punished for anything is how women want to experience drama.

Otherwise, I need to research the right tonality.
>size-difference ecstasy
How do you write this?
>"His probiscus was long and throbbing, with a hard knuckle like knob at the top which pulsated."
vs.
>"He had a cock-like appendage that was bigger than anything her ex boyfriends could produce."
Or
>"When his pulsing knob pushed between her legs she could feel it stretch out every inch of her inner flesh, with resin-hard veins dancing around, tickling her opening. The knob throbbed against her cervix, creating waves of discomfort followed by immediate, unprecedented ecstasy."
vs
>"She felt him inside of her. He was hard, throbbing. Pleasure rippled throughout her body. The sultry passion of a hundred nights with human men flitted out of her mind as she discovered a new depth of ecstasy, she tingled, the love was sweeter even than the warm honey waiting to burst from her lover."

>>24850587
That means there's room for a market niche. A touch of human panache, a unique voice, a little bit of descriptive color both women and robots can't achieve.
I just have to figure out how to not overdue it, while also hitting on important cliches.

>>24850035 (OP)
The woman who wrote this book has been writing smut for a decade, she churns out 4-5 smut books a year

>>24850627
I am perfectly content to write 10 of these if I can make at least $20k. Lol, I could write 10 in about 6 months with grammarly, no need for AI.

>>24850634
What I meant is that she's experienced in writing this kind of slop, not some rando who just lucked out with his/her first book. I think there's already an ocean of similar crap out there that gets no readers or like a handful at best

For what it's worth, OP, I think there's some merit to your idea. Best of luck with it.

>>24850035 (OP)
I'm gonna do the same, but catering to men instead. I envision a future where the shelves are lined with covers depicting nonhuman women being ravished by human men

>>24850491
I read Sea of Tranquility which had great reviews and the whole time I was thinking about how absolutely shit anything to do with the time travel plot was. People spoke exactly the same in the 1800s, present and future. The future hadn’t changed at all, it was the same fucking problems and politics as today including some feminist rant about equality. 200-400 years of no real change except the scenery.
But of course it was all about relationships and feelings in the end.

Extra funny since I read a bunch of Asimov too and he famously does not give a shit about the people in the stories.

>>24850825
It would have to be a graphic novel with animated photorealistic sequences.

>>24851001
>Asimov
>people
Asimov treats his people like adult male professionals and people who are adjusted to live in a society created by adult male professionals.
That's why his stories are so fucking interesting.

>>24851001
>scenery
Anon, this is all women think material reality is.

>>24851115
They're cardboard cutouts to deliver opinion a and retort b. It's fine, stories can also be about the ideas, but don't be fucking absurd trying to defend his characters.

>>24850812
thx

>>24850561
>I already have the skills
Unless you have already written, edited and published a novel, you most certainly do not. Also yeah this "romantasy" porn shit is retarded but generally the audience can tell when you view them with absolute contempt. Even though it's formulaic and could theoretically be easily aped, the only people to make real money from it are true believers

>>24850561
>Are almost exclusively in the girlporn genre
And? They're still minuscule.

>>24851222
>Unless you have already written, edited and published a novel
I have
>the audience can tell when you view them with absolute contempt. Even though it's formulaic and could theoretically be easily aped, the only people to make real money from it are true believers
You overestimate that audience, and you misunderstand my intent. I'm not going to ironically and half-heartedly "ape" a formula. I'm going to take note of the basic format and tone, then sincerely create my own version of it.
You just have to create a first person protagonist that is narrating the third person story. The author will be a character I create with her own set of flaws, biases, insecurities and obsessions. I will use the author's fictional backstory (millennial grad student in STEM who was forced to pivot to English literature, washed out of anything useful including editing and now writes porn; is married with no kids but hates men while tolerating her husband) to meter the narration. Discussions of grad school will embellish a little too long with inserted mini-rants. Male STEM types will be treated with particular contempt. She'll have a couple of fetishes that pop up all the time even if they aren't the main object of a gratuitous scene.

>>24851239
Be careful OP, foids are gossipy and one of them will find out you're not one of them. A lot of them hate trannies nowadays, just look at Crystal Cafe. You'll still make money though, just less.

>>24850035 (OP)
anon, it's not whether you could do it, it's not that there's high demand. it's that others can do it too, are doing it, have been doing it for ages and the supply is greater than the demand. none of the challenge is in the craft. all of the challenge is in the marketing. You are so late to the party, it ended ten years ago. This all started in 2011 - yes 2011 - when E.L. James self-published 50 Shades of Grey. That was the beginning of the boom into the goldrush. You are now in a period with the least amount of gold available, ever. There are perhaps 1 in a million authors who makes a living - not a good living, just a living - from this and all of them work harder than if they had a regular job. By all means, write it if you wish, but you're acting like no-one else has thought of writing books like this, or even can, just you. It is not a new original idea. Thinking you're going to make money out of it is like me thinking you can make millions if you open your own burger joint because you can make a big mac too.

I always thought I'd be good at writing smut for some reason. Maybe I should give it a try.

>>24850035 (OP)
>It should be utterly trivially to right one of these things after that

>>24850035 (OP)
Do you enjoy describing cocks? Can you write page upon page detailing the taste, the texture, and the smell of cocks? Can you write 100 pages about how you long to have cocks in your mouth? Can you write about glistening muscles and hot powerful men ragdolling you upside down and jamming their tongue through your hymen like a snake ramming itself into a slimey birdnest? Can you write multiple volumes of this?

Then you're gay as fuck, nigga.

Writing erotica that women will find irresistible sounds like a harder task than writing a regular litfic novel tbqh senpai. They know what they like. Just let them write that sort of stuff for themselves.

>>24850825
>nonhuman
I would read the shit out of a Her 2013 or a Bladerunner 2049 with a happy ending (in both ways).

>>24850035 (OP)
Write steamy romance novels targeted at trans women, that's an untapped market. (Also I'd like to read more of them.)

>>24852022
>Ensnared: The Spider's Mate

i would love to see a /lit/ worker write some insane ass smut filled with inside jokes. Foids addicted to book porn like their porn addicted moid counterparts, will never be satisfied and will need to constantly go wilder and wilder. A /lit/ user can win the novelty arms race if they'd just start writing.

>>24850612
>The sultry passion of a hundred nights with human men flitted out
Isnt that the end of ulysses

>>24850035 (OP)
From my acting experience I know that it is completely destructive to approach the subject with such contempt. Even if you manage to hide that contempt in a creative process, it will project back onto oneself and hollow you out.

>>24850035 (OP)
Thought about writing some modern day gothic vampire kino that includes heavy incest (romantic), BDSM, and the mobster/mobwife archetype (basically the vampiric dynstasy is like a modern day mafia family with its business fronts, ties to tradition, and autistic obsession with the old country). Seems like I hit all the marks. Thinking of writing it under a prentious penname that sounds somewhat continential and mysterious, like I'm the member of an old aristocratic family.

I am writing my first erotica, which is, like all erotica, a series of sex scenes with flimsy plot to string them together. That's how I approached it: major sex scenes, then plot in between leading one into the other in a spiral of degeneracy. But I am an amateur writer who's doing it for fun, and I only pick this up when I'm horny, so I've been very prolific but didn't think a lot while typing away. Today I wrote the MC having a conversation with his wife after breakfast, and I needed the wife to have her hands busy so it wouldn't be just a back of forth of dialogue. Therefore in this scene she just get on her knees and starts sucking him off while they talk. Came out really hot, but I thought, fuck, maybe I'm writing too much sex in this porn novel. And I thought it was about time to read the whole draft today and it dawned on me there's not a single scene in this thing that isn't written like that. Just like in movies they talk while sipping a glass of whiskey, in my story they fuck. It's fucking strung together with even more fucking, there is not a single moment the MC's cock isn't getting sucked. Just porn nonstop. They always fuck. They're fucking while talking, fucking while fucking, fucking while discussing about the fuck they just had. It's insane, bizarre, but I love it this way, because it paradoxically makes the sex unimportant. Now that's how you make characters really shine. Every tidbit of character between the moans and flying ropes is like a glint of gold. Why have the characters do something other than fuck, when they can talk about that thing they did earlier while they do fuck, instead? I made sure there's a variety of situations so it's never boring. I'm very pleased with the way this is coming out.

>>24850035 (OP)
here ya go
http://www.heavingbosoms.com/

>>24850035 (OP)
Watch those direct to TV dark romance movies. There's surely a channel that airs that crap. Watch a couple of them, they're all the same.
Summing them up, imagine a porn novel written for lonely horny men where the main dude is a whatever nondescript sack of shit who works in the most boring normie job imaginable, not even a nerd, just someone extremely hollow with no personality, the guy you don't remember exists after you finish high school, that guy, and his friends are also stereotypes, the nerd, the sports friend, etc. but not too much because they need to complement the MC's lack of personality, not overshadow him. So you have to make those boring and nondescript too. just give the nerd friend glasses for example and make him say "logically" every now and then. Don't make him a nerdy shit enthusiast or quirky or cringe or awkward or an egghead or ugly, that's too much. Glasses is enough to tell the audience he's the nerd friend who is intelligent
Then literally every single woman is some 80s pornstar looking bimbo with huge silicone lips and tits, the trashiest possible image of femininity you can muster, and there's two bitches that orbit the MC for some reason. So the MC needs to choose between his crazy bimbo boss and the kind bimbo colleague who are absolutely identical but the crazy boss bimbo has more mascara and looks like she's more of a slut. he fucks both and then the evil bimbo dies and the MC gets with the good bimbo but you can tell he's gonna think about the evil bimbo while he fucks the other. the end.
just write that then flip all the genders and send me part of the money afterwards

>>24852187
>and jamming their tongue through your hymen like a snake ramming itself into a slimey birdnest?
fucking kek

>>24852553
>>24850035 (OP)
It's not enough to study writing. You really have to get into the mind of a woman through their own perspective to do it correctly. Let me tell you that it's beyond insane. There's a reason it is still a woman-dominated field.

I've personally spent the last few years understanding the woman mindset through genuinely befriending women and being in persistent dialogue with women of all kinds. The autistic ones give the best and most accurate detail. When they're spitting facts, it's downright unbelievable. Knowing the structure and pacing of their desires, it's unbelievably and insanely alien. No tranny/homo could ever hope to comprehend it. It's like if every wrong answer was dialed up to 11. Everything happens at different speeds. They lie to themselves like you wouldn't believe.

Don't mistake handling women for understanding them anon.

>>24851222
>generally the audience can tell when you view them with absolute contempt.
Believe you me, they absolutely cannot.

t. the guy who wrote Morning Glory Milking Farm under the pseudonym of C.M. Nascosta

>>24852003
>Be careful OP, foids are gossipy and one of them will find out you're not one of them.
Legitimately does not matter, the others will simply deny it if they like the book enough. Just look at Elena Ferrante. That's a man, but the vast majority of women simply refuse to accept it. Their feelings about the imagined Ferrante in their minds are far more important to them than the truth and material reality.

>>24850035 (OP)
I do erotic narration (I am fairly successful doing it) and will point a few things out to consider.
What you're drooling over is tiktok marketing at work.
A lot of it is popular because this type of marketing is not regulated as much as it probably should be. If it does get regulated, it'll probably be so strict it'll strangle any life out of the market.

Imo it's going to boil down to ethics, if you're concerned about marketing.
As far as content?
Yeah, you have to be creative enough to stand out.

Personally, I wouldn't mind working with a writer but a lot of writers end up getting lost in the sauce.

>>24853490
based ruthless MILKer

>>24852022
>that first one is literally calling the woman a hucow
jfc i'm calling the cops

>>24852022
I was appalled when I saw 29k reviews but honestly this is exactly how I felt every time I discovered that a terrible amateur artist whose porn gets posted on blue boards, who draws in a gross unappealing style and does futa traps with diapers or some other abominable shit like that, actually earns 280k yearly and has 17 million followers
it really... really makes you think...

Is there any market on Amazon about a story of a virgin girl who is shy and uptight and goes to a nudist resort and ends up getting railed by dudes? I already wrote it, I'm just polishing it up, but I just don't know if it's worth trying to sell. A lot of it focuses on her inner feelings of being inadequate, which I assume women relate to.

>>24853750
>Is there any market on Amazon about a story of a virgin girl who is shy and uptight and goes to a nudist resort and ends up getting railed by dudes?
that's literally every single girl's "I went to Party City with my best friend this summer" IRL
so I assume yes

>>24851239
If you want to pretend to be a woman you can just do that

>>24853641
>it really... really makes you think...
about suicide

>>24851239
I don't want to demoralize you but something I have learned about life is that just like in Nature where there's the wolf and the lamb and one eats the other, in human society you have two people: those who grift and those who get grifted. It's just how it is.
Now if you are a grown adult and you haven't made a career on grifting yet, it means you are not a grifter. You're basically a lamb saying he wants to become a wolf. You can't. You either have had the grift conditioned out of you from your parents' upbringing or - more likely - you simply weren't born with the grifter genes. You don't have that spark which means you're at the bottom of the human food chain.
Literally every single one of these people who make slop which is shit, horrible shit, and SOMEHOW make money from it are all grifters. I've actually seen some fantasy writers who got published and gained a decent public, they are all very aggressive, extremely confident people, it's nothing like the people you talk to on 4chan, they have something special and it's not related to writing. And they can materialize money out of thin air. These authors, before being writers, are charismatic and manipulative individuals with a go-getter attitude so the grift comes natural to them. It's something really deep like your brain's primitive wiring.
Most likely you know you can't do it and you're just making this post because you're upset that the grifters are writing books. Writing garbage is not hard, but grifting is a natural talent. You just can't do it. I would like you to tell me one day that you ignored this post and artificially constructed the grift, as a non-grifter, and I'd be impressed and maybe I would find some relief from my geno-deterministic world view, but I know it won't happen. I have seen several people who made money doing this... this shit, this stuff that I never thought would make money and they made money. Why? Charisma and spirit of the grift. You cannot train it, you cannot build it. I am so fucking mad but it's just how it is. If you're not a grifter all you can do is watch out for the day you'll get grifted.

>>24852003
Well unless they find this thread and I'm the only one doing country western themes about a city girl connecting to the land and its animals, I'm good.

>>24850504
>chances extremely low
Explain Twilight teenslop, and the 50shades Slop-of-slop. I couldn't even finish the first chapter of 50shades, it's forum fanfic tier.

>>24855411
They got lucky. Your odds of getting lucky like they did are not good.

>>24855411
>but i know a tall asian

>>24855419
my point is literary effort and quality are not prime. The success of slop proves it.

Go to your desk and write.

>>24850035 (OP)
>She was hardly a size queen and couldn't imagine what it would feel like to be that stuffed.
This is probably the most disgusting conglomeration of words I have ever seen in my life. That there are human beings among us who are lacking in dignity to such an extent that they could write or consume something like this is more repulsive than even the most vile and explicit pornographic scene.

>>24855571
What's so disgusting about it?

>>24855575
The implication that there are people who treat something sacred like intimacy and love as a mere indulgence. It is the disgust of seeing a cathedral burning down, even if you are a non-believer.

>>24855582
Anon the boards at the top and the bottom of the page.

>>24855571
>>24855582
>bro that girl has nice titties
AAAAARGH THE CATHEDRAL OF ALL THAT WAS ONCE SACRED IS BURNING DOWN AROUND ME SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>24855585
Yes, I realize everyone here is disgusting, including myself. What's your point?

>>24855596
Feel intense disgust at yourself for existing as you are makes you rather amusing.

>>24855596
in what way is that very mild "wow that's a big penis" line more disgusting than actual pornography?

>>24855602
"Existing as you are" is a language that justifies atrocities. I hold myself to a higher standard. Why wouldn't you?

>>24855610
the higher standard of feigning melodramatic shock at mundane things to larp as a righteous crusader

>>24855610
And yet here you remain. Do you really "hold yourself to a higher standard," or do you just like to make yourself mad?

>>24855610
> I hold myself to a higher standard.
Never said you shouldn't.

>Why wouldn't you?
It's just when I find something I am doing disgusting I just basically stop doing that. And if I don't like some people, their practices or communities I prefer to just dissociate myself from them, rather than remain in a company that revolts me.

>>24855618
You don't know if my words are performative. That's the fault of your cynicism.
>>24855621
Here I remain, on a safe-for-work board on a site that coincidentally hosts pornography. This is not the folly that you think it is.
>>24855634
But I'm not doing anything that I find disgusting. My "hypocrisy" is that I was curious about the book that was posted here and looked it up online, where I saw that line in one of the reviews. I did not read the book, if that's what you mean. And if you mean that I should avoid anything that is even peripherally related to what I find disgusting, then you are telling me to become a Buddha, which is impossible.

>>24855644
>And if you mean that I should avoid anything that is even peripherally related to what I find disgusting
I mean, not opening 4chan is hardly a form of pathological avoidance and ascetic seclusion.

>>24855644
>Here I remain, on a safe-for-work board
Every single Ayn Rand thread posted in the recent years had a copypasta concerning Ayn Rand's alleged unquenchable desire for being violently raped and a graphic description of such a hypothetical event posted in it.

>>24855644
>You don't know if my words are performative.
i know it because far more sexually explicit and fetishistic posts are made even on this board every day and you don't do these goofy theatrics about them. notice how you still haven't explained why "wow that's a big penis" is supposed to be more disgusting than actual hardcore pornography, because you don't actually believe that, because you were being hyperbolic for show

>>24855649
>>24855647
I did not see that, and if I did, I would merely avoid such threads, the same way I already avoid certain threads here and entire other boards. My point is that the cost-benefit analysis is still positive. If the culture here changed drastically then yes, I would probably avoid it. But to do so pre-emptively is like a person discovering that they can't fly, and then deciding they will never walk again.
>>24855657
>you don't do these goofy theatrics about them
If I did, wouldn't that actually be a bigger indication that it is performative?
In truth, I believe both pornography and erotica are equally as disgusting, in the same way spitting OR pissing on an altar are, but the reason I called erotica "more" disgusting is because it's more insidious, due to how normalized it is. Notice how I when expressed repulsion towards it, three heavenly warriors descended to defend it? Everyone agrees that porn is a corrupting influence, and won't bat an eye when someone calls it disgusting, but erotica is simply part of someone's "sexual curiosity." That makes it far more likely to cause personal problems in daily life, and, in my view, makes me feel that it's more disgusting, even though I cognitively know that they are both equally so.

>>24855684
>because it's more insidious, due to how normalized it is
the book you're quoting isn't "normalized" any more than porn is, it's literally being memed everywhere online including a new thread here every day as a "look how disgusting female readers are" talking point. there isn't a human left on earth that doesn't know women masturbate to deranged monster gangbang novels. you are not discovering an insidious hidden social force, you are posting tired memes from the current social media gender war. it's exactly as pointless and performative as the rest of the "other sex is pure evil" discourse.

>>24855555
>~ literary effort and quality are not prime.
>The success of slop proves it.
Holy shit, 5 quintuple gets of TRUTH!

>>24855684
>the reason I called erotica "more" disgusting is because it's more insidious, due to how normalized it is
Despite what you've been led to believe, normal women are not reading books about jerking off minotaurs to pay off your student loans

>>24850612
>"He had a cock-like appendage that was bigger than anything her ex boyfriends could produce."
lek, women would unironicaly love this one

>>24850825
Kino

>>24855571
90% of people would sell their mother for sex

>>24854119
TRVTH NUKE
Seriously, this is the way it is. I've been in the industry for years, and I know a lot of shysters and retards who make money, and a lot of talented people who just don't, for whatever reason. Even with my own work, I don't try to promote much. I could grift and grind, but it's distracting. That said, I'd be making a lot more money if I did. And if money and fame are you motivators, it's inevitable that you have to be greasy and retarded and charismatic. Them's the brakes.

>>24855826
>>the reason I called erotica "more" disgusting is because it's more insidious, due to how normalized it is
Actual erotica has always been there. Back in the dat, every dirty bookstore had a couple shelves with piles of fetish and erotica pulp paperbacks. They were like vibrators. No one admitted in public much, but the stores didn't stock them because they never sold. All that's changed, is that the dirty paperbacks have escaped the containment cellar. People who would *never*, obviously will if they can buy it in the privacy of their own home. No one can see the dirty cover rt and title, when you read on a kindle. So now, basically, your weird uncle that lives in your grandma's basement? He's out and walking around in public now.

>>24850035 (OP)
It's formulaic. Read Heartiste and some other redpill/ evopsych stuff. Then watch a few girlmovies. Then talk to a few girls and have sex with them. You will need this knowledge.
After that, incorporate some various traits:
-The guy passing various shit tests
-Lots of violence by the guy against the girl and her family and anyone else in his way
-The guy all of a sudden becoming a sappy putz for her and going on paddleboat rides in the park and stuff
Anyways if all of this stuff isn't obvious to you already you probably don't have what it takes

>>24850825
I'd like to read a short novel HMOFA-oriented story, Dr. T'ana is nice.

>>24855582
Women don't view sex as spiritual and intimate. It's a bodily function to them, in the same way periods and childbirth are.

>>24850035 (OP)
This shit reads like the premise of an anime where the MC has to enact his secret plan, it's funny as fuck
Also anyone qrd on the plot of OP pic its also looks hilarious

>>24852022
>stalked by the Kraken: 5.5k reviews
KEK this is insane. Hentai got nothing on the ladies
But I agree, the Milk farm or whatever had either some luck or a phenomenal marketing campaign

>>24854119
One of the most accurate posts I've ever read on 4chan. This is literally it, I feel somewhat frustrated with op's naivety. You are not Audra Winters. If you were Audra Winters you'd be shouting your (imagined) greatness to 2 million followers already. You'd have failed at a million things, yet walk into the next venture with invincible confidence. Everywhere you went, you'd be telling people how great you are, how much money you're going to make, how they can make money too if they follow you. That is how these people are - all of them. Narcissistic delusion is the key to their success. Talent has little, sometimes nothing, to do with it.

Though, that's the grifter model, the other way of course is to be a true believer, which I suspect minotaur milking woman actually is. I saw on the selfpublish subreddit this woman delirious over here 7 positive reviews for this heart and soul work of hers: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FTZWGZ5H?bestFormat=true&ref=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_apin_dp_GG7ZJCQ5HH05GFACVYNN&titleSource=true

Read the blurb. Do you really think you could write that with a straight face? You have to be as infantile as she is to make it work. This actually would have to feel like literature to you. Unless you are a dyed in the wool aforementioned grifter, you simply will not be able to do it. You'll either make the work too bad, or - comically - too good.

>>24858796
I'm sorry is your point that I wouldn't be capable of writing a book that only got 7 reviews.

>>24858796
>Narcissistic delusion is the key to their success.
The problem with this sentiment is that it states that being a deluded narcissist means you will win, while in reality narcissists fail even more than mentally sound people - we only see the successful narcissists, not the failed ones, and in fact our perception of the ratio between successful narcissists and successful non-narcissists is skewed by narcissists forcefully dragging all the attention to themselves and things that allow them to get more attention, as that is the whole point.

In other words - no, narcissistic delusion is not the key to success. You can be a dyed in the wool self-deluded genetically-predetermined lying grifter and fail utterly. It's nowhere near enough. Most of such grifters fail utterly and remain working in a car dealership or a scam call center begging to not redeem. Half this board are deluded narcissists who don't seem to garner much success from it.

>>24850035 (OP)
I addition female attraction is not just a function of physical attraction but also of perceived ability. So your male characters should be competent in something which could tie into your fantasy world too,like a young student of the grand wizard story.

>>24859656
>So your male characters should be competent in something
Yeah proving that the trillionaire with the mile-long yacht has knowledge and competence is a key element in chickslop. No skills? The panties stay on. MC doesn't care for your $400 champagne.

>>24857591
I have a hmofa story but the themes are kinda niche

>>24859729
>Yeah proving that the trillionaire with the mile-long yacht has knowledge and competence is a key element in chickslop
>MC doesn't care for your $400 champagne.
Actually yeah kinda unironically if you read them.

Only it's less "knowledge/competence/skills" and more displays of the werewolf trillionaire secret prince being badass, proactive and independent, while still remaining emotionally sensitive. He needs to be Doing Things, loudly and powerfully, and succeed at them, leaving all around shaken and cowering. Usually it's the jealous antagonists in such smut stories that have similar high status (wealth/bloodline/power/etc), but are simultaneously ugly and passive, parasitic and destructive - serving the function of scheming against the Sexy Trillionaire Vampire and the MC for no reason other than his own vile personality, and getting resoundingly defeated in every way by the vitality and kind soul of the Sexy Trillionaire Vampire. So that our MC naturally remains together not just with any trillionaire vampire, but specifically with the one who is also secretly Batman fighting crime and taking care of orphans, because he has a sensitive soul, while the ugly trillionaire vampire with the incel vibes will serve to demonstrate that power wielded by a foul person has no sway over the MC and her all-powerful heart.

>>24859740
The competence and skill is implied by the fact they are rich and successful. Whatever it is that these men do to earn so much is completely unimportant. The things these men say and do are also cringe as fuck and very often childish but the implication of power and dominance make them badass. It's a whole thing that feeds into itself.
It's the same with the MC's career in these movies. What she does is never a high-competence job but some kind of social PR thing. Women don't really value competence or skill in a partner, they only value competence when competence implies a high income, e.g. "I am the best neurosurgeon in NYC" this means he's loaded. The part where he can make a brain transplant is by itself, unimportant.

>>24859753
Anon I understand that you want to rant about women but we are talking about the actual things present in the actual books that exist.

>>24859758
No I don't want to rant about women, I am talking about chick fic I've seen, mostly "dark romance" shit I was exposed to. The actual competence of the men is mostly implied by their earnings. It's treated as a minor detail. They don't have to prove anything. In fact the men are always incredibly boring people and the highlight of their charm is their money: they say boring things on a big boat with expensive champagne, they say boring things at the fancy restaurant, they say boring things while driving their Ferrari. It isn't even about them always being ripped Chads with a massive jaw but the money. Watching these things it was the most constant highlight and pivot.

>>24859758
Now something I'll never understand is why some women enjoy shitty crime shows like Criminal Minds so much, or medical dramas.

>>24859615
furthermore, "i could totally do this difficult thing if i had X," where X is something like "connections" or "daddy's money" or in this case "grifter personality" is in itself a form of narcissistic cope delusion.
>bro my fantasy saga that i sometimes think about writing would be so good... but i'm just TOO MORAL for this cutthroat market... i guess the world will have to do without my genius... le sigh...

its easy to say ill write girl porn and make money, but so do 100000 other people say this, competition is stiff, and also you need to know the psychology of the female mind and what really gets them off

>>24860049
>muh mysterious female mind
>whoa whatever do they get off to???
it's just "high status man wants me a lot." men struggle to write this stuff not because it's some complicated mystery but because either 1. it is too unpleasant for a guy to acknowledge what women want and how much he himself fails to deliver or 2. the acknowledgement makes him so bitter he can't really write without blatant resentment dripping from the pages.

This is the, "I'm gonna draw furry porn for easy $$$" of writing.

>>24860159
No. Drawn porn doesn't take a brain at all. You just have to say yes. Draw me ponies shitting on each other. OK, and you draw that. The quality of your output doesn't matter, and you don't have to market yourself cause simply putting the 18 thing on your profile means you draw porn and you automatically get a following. Written porn slop isn't as immediate and women are also a lot more demanding, even they're consuming slop, while porn addicted males are usually braindead chimps with room temperature IQ and the most ungodly nigger taste and lowest standards imaginable.

>>24860480
I'm pretty sure that anon's point is that people keep thinking it'll be easy money only to find that the work takes a toll on them on multiple levels.

>>24860480
>women are also a lot more demanding
lmao. here's sarah j maas, the biggest romantasy author on the planet

>Hunt obliged her by removing the thong with cruel, brutal slowness. She growled, but he dangled the underwear on one finger before setting it aside. “I wouldn’t want to damage this precious thing.”
>“I’m going to damage you if you don’t get in me right now,” she managed to say, opening her legs wider.
>She nearly climaxed at the raw need, the ravenous hunger on Hunt’s face. Especially as he slowly, slowly lifted his gaze to hers, filled with pure lightning.
>“Hunt,” she begged, and he lunged for her.
>He gripped her hips, lifting her off the mattress, angling her precisely how he wanted as he slid into her in a long, smooth glide.
>Bryce moaned at the size of him, filling every part of her, and she dug her fingers into the hard muscles of his ass, pinning him there for a moment. Luxuriating in the stretch of herself around him, the weight of his body against hers.
>“How?” he panted against her hair. “How the fuck can it feel this good every time?”
>Her fingers clenched harder, urging him to move. He withdrew almost to the tip, and plunged back in, hard enough that another moan slipped out of her.
>“You like that?” He angled her hips again, his to play with. “You like my cock this deep in you?”

it's cringe porn dialogue + melodramatic purple prose narration. SHE AGONIZED BURNINGLY AS THEY LUXURIATED IN THEIR CLIMAXING. women don't "demand" shit from this crap.

>>24860592
>adverb formed of a gerund
lmao
in Strunk's day he would have come to your house and shot you for that

>>24860592
It's still a notch above BAM HUGE ASS, VAGINA, HOLES! NOW GOON even worse when there's some subhuman tier "joke" in the picture. I really fucking hate drawn porn. It's always fucking subhuman shit. AI unironically does porn better and it's the only thing it can do better just because the standards are so fucking low. You can recognize chicks who draw erotica for chicks because there's a lot more of a narrative and a mood and they draw better. I don't like it, because it's all inevitably gay, but I can't deny they have more taste.
Obviously I am not defending this garbage writing and holy fuck that's some fucking awful shit but even just the fact you have to read this puts it above the standards of drawn slop for brown cumbrains.
I hate to admit this but it's the truth. Even for how women rank consistently low in their sexual imaginings, the lowest lows always belong to men. Not even my god tier fetishes and sublime taste can offset this dismal picture because it's literally just me against hordes of literal subhumans.

Speaking of smut, do you have characters swear during sex? I do say "fuck" a lot and I'm generally foul-mouthed when I fuck. Not really dirty talking but I swear, so my characters swear a lot when they fuck.
One thing I noticed is that a lot of amateur fiction has no swearing. Even stuff written by dudes that is more on the romantic side has no swearing. Is it because they think it's a think people do only in porn? There's generally a lack of low-brow commentary like "you're so fucking hot", I say that a lot. I generally say shit about the girl's body. I love your ass, God I fucking love your tits, and so on. Also there's a lack of laughing and fun during sex which is one of the most enjoyable things. Sex can get kind of goofy and playful but it's always so fucking serious in all fiction male or female. I remember with one girl who had a chubby tummy I did tummy farts on her with my mouth. I also like biting the ass. Lots of joking around in general, it's one of the best things about sex.
But maybe they weren't having as much fun as I did and just endured it because I have a huge cock.

>>24852022
For me it's
>Gargoyle Daddy: (Romancing his Stone)
Fucking hilarious.
Do it OP anything you write has to be at least as good as this.

>>24852022
This anon is correct. It’s not just writing you have to produce; the entire ecosystem is VERY parasocial. You have to be a beast on social media to make it work.

>>24860592
this has got to be one of the most unsexy sex scenes I've ever seen

>>24860708
perhaps you focus on being fun and light because you think you can't measure up in passion. meditate on this brother.

>>24855874
Just have sex with her? I saved you some steps there friend.

>>24860921
>the entire ecosystem is VERY parasocial
that could be said of literally that isn't corpo level business at this point, and even then, corpos do want to show they have a "human face" so that people can tie themselves to the brand like it's a friend
>>24860927
Cmon anon don't be that guy. I never said that sex is all about jokes and laughter, but jokes and laughter do have a presence in sex. My point is that sex in fiction is way too consistently solemn, no matter the angle. I'm a lover of happy, loving sex and passion does in no way get in the way of lightness, nor does the lightness get in the way of passion. I believe this idea that passion cannot go hand in hand with laughter and joy a very childish view of sex.

>>24860942
seeing a lot of typing and no meditating

>>24860964
I see a lot of lecturing and no sex having, anon

>>24860976
this hurtful and frankly unnecessary attack on my inceldom isn't productive towards your introspection

>>24852022
>The Half-Orc's Maiden Bride

>>24860982
kek

>>24850035 (OP)
This meme has actually made me realize both women and men have similar enough fetishes and it's not divided by gender, Milking Farm is healing a generation.

>>24861653
No way, men have more variety, though it's mostly variety in shit taste.
Women are all dark triad billionare pirate werewolf vampire

>>24861904
That's just what sells because it's the lowest common denominator, there's still variety among individual women.

>>24860148
>man struggle to write girlsmut because they are all in denial about their fundamental sexual inadequacy and writing girlsmut would mean they have to admit it
What did anon mean by this?

>>24861911
>[citation needed]
is there femslop romance where the object of desire is a balding dweeby five-feet-tall accountant with a four-inch penis? please quote some passages from it of steamy sex with that guy.

>>24862036
i mean it's pretty clear, isn't it?

>>24862037
>is there femslop romance where the object of desire is a balding dweeby five-feet-tall accountant with a four-inch penis?
Not an argument, as there is effectively no maleslop romance about ugly girls either.

>>24862039
It just sounds like something an ugly narcissistic femoid would believe based purely on her hatred towards all men.

>>24862037
How much smut for men is there where the object of desire is a pimply shut-in female weeb who somehow has no tits or ass to speak of despite being overweight?

>>24862040
White Noise is maleslop fantasy about an ugly female love interest.

>>24862037
There's femslop with mentally/physically handicapped male protagonists, though.
It's pretty famous too: the first one from the perfectly imperfect series has 108k ratings on goodreads.
Iirc the first one has a guy who can't walk, the third one has a schizo.
I can't remember what the second one has, but you get the kind of stuff it talks about.

>>24862047
>White Noise is maleslop
No it's not.

>>24862052
It is. It's about a guy getting cucked by his fat, ugly, pill addicted wife, and getting revenge. You can argue there's more going on thematically but that's the gist of the plot.

>>24862066
How is that romanceslop tho?

>>24862040
>there is effectively no maleslop romance about ugly girls either.
there is absolutely porn for men that fetishizes typically negative/unattractive traits. men usually prefer youth and yet there is milf and even granny porn, fucking fat chicks is a source of shame and yet there is bbw porn and so on. flat chests instead of big boobs. there's porn about slutty bimbos with blown-out holes and bogged faces. there's porn that fetishizes extremely unfeminine bodies and behaviors (huge muscle girls that rape you etc), unpleasant body odors, cripples, mentally ill women etc etc etc.

so in order for female porn to have at least similar levels of variety you'd expect niches that invert normal markers of male attractiveness, same as bbw porn etc. so where are all the manlet romances, broke loser coward romances and so on? it's clear female tastes are actually much, much more narrow. there's way fewer things that make them wet compared to what men are into.

>>24862074
>there is absolutely porn for men that fetishizes typically negative/unattractive traits
That's particularl fetishes, not "romance about attraction towards an all around boring, mediocre and revolting character"

>so in order for female porn to have at least similar levels of variety you'd expect niches that invert normal markers of male attractivenes
See >>24862051

>>24862101
>That's particularl fetishes
okay, where's all the romance fiction about the particular fetish of romancing a manlet, romancing a feminine coward, romancing a neet that lives with his mom, romancing the guy with a micropenis etc? because men have porn about the fattie, the wrecked bimbo, the flat-chested tomboy autist, the milf hag and so on, and these are large enough niches that you encounter them online without even trying.

>See >>24862051
as far as i can make out from descriptions and reviews this doesn't do what i'm asking about at all. for some of them i cant even figure out what's "wrong" with the guy, and things i can find like "he has ptsd from the war" aren't really inversions of normal markers of attractiveness, because "he's all brooding and dark and has deep wounds only my pussy can heal" is a pretty standard female fantasy. "he has amnesia," wow. this is not what i'm talking about, this is just spicing up the normal "tall handsome gangster" stock character with little quirks. why is the gangster never a pissed-off ugly manlet like joe pesci or something? this doesn't represent even a sliver of the range male attraction has. male porn isn't just "supermodel, but with lactose intolerance."

>>24862042
huh? it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that female sexual preferences cause discomfort in the normie male. why do you think women instinctively lie about them? why do they say "personality" when they mean "height"?

Can't lie, ive thought about it. But I prefer total self immolation. Best of luck OP

>>24850035 (OP)
why do jewish women fantasize about goy dick so much

>>24862074
>men usually prefer youth and yet there is milf and even granny porn
Imo, fetish is about being hot *in spite of* ugliness, in the case of grannies and milfs.
I don't hear them saying "that milf isn't wrinkly enough", more like "she has big tits" and whatnot.

Honestly, no one is jerking off to actually ugly bitches. How many people are jerking off to Concord characters?
"Milf" is picrel.

>>24862101
>>24862051
>>24862267
The guy with the guitar was me. Girls didn't even know what I played but they saw a photo of me with the guitar and they got wet. I could've played flamenco or grindcore death metal, it didn't matter because hot guy with guitar. That's the only reason I got laid so much because personality-wise I am a fucking autist. Not that I"m complaining.
The things I love are not shared by 99% of the male population, male porn generally disgusts me. IDK I think women are a lot more standardized.

>>24862284
Nah. Women fuck ugly men all the time because "there was just something about him"

>>24862284
I do get the impression men are the higher-variance sex along multiple dimensions.

>>24862286
>there was just something about him
oh yeah that's true

>>24862291
No, not that. Some of these dudes dont even have cars.

>>24862293
by "fuck" do you mean anything more serious than a one night stand? in that case I just don't believe it
women have one night stands with anyone and their dog because there's no consequences to it but for the most part it's because they need to do something like make the guy they like jealous or punish their boyfriend for a slight by cheating on him. it's not a case of atraction but using your pussy like a tool cause women pretty much think in terms of what they can do with their pussy
Personally I have never seen an ugly manlet getting any pussy who wasn't rich.

>>24862300
just trust me, then.

>>24862267
>How many people are jerking off to Concord characters?
I jacked off several times to that cat alien monkey thing

>>24862074
if you jerk off to granny porn you might genuinely be a diddy blud

>>24862317
>diddy blud
not into grannies though I enjoy a good milf, but what does that mean

>>24862267
>fetish is about being hot *in spite of* ugliness, in the case of grannies and milfs.
>I don't hear them saying "that milf isn't wrinkly enough"
i dunno about milfs but guys are definitely into fat chicks, bodybuilder women etc specifically for the fatness/muscles etc, not "in spite of" it. the point is that men will regularly fetishize features that another man would find off-putting. specifically a flat chest, specifically inflated bimbo lips etc. you don't see this variance in women. i'm pretty sure fags for example get horny about a much wider spectrum of male "types" that women do.

>Honestly, no one is jerking off to actually ugly bitches.
yes they are lmao. "bro there is this nasty little rat-faced bitch at my work with huge front teeth. i'd destroy that shit, bro. i'd keep her chained in my basement for a year and feed her nothing but cheese and my cum."

>>24862359
What about the women who are into big hairy strong-stout 'dad bod' types vs. the women who are into skinny hairless K-pop stars?

>>24862364
i didn't say there's no variance at all, just that there's much less variance, but in any case your example seems to me more like stages of attraction, not legitimate "types." 13yo girls will stereotypically be into smooth androgynous boymen as a temporary fixation because actual masculinity still freaks them out, and then they get over it as they mature. if you see a middle-aged lady that's still into boyband androgyny then it's probably arrested development, like a grown woman being obsessed with horses.

>>24862359
>bro there is this nasty little rat-faced bitch at my work with huge front teeth. i'd destroy that shit, bro. i'd keep her chained in my basement for a year and feed her nothing but cheese and my cum
This shit reeks of autism and you might be right because of that.
Gorlock the Destroyer is a prime example of what men (with a poorly developed brain) do for their fetishes.

>>24862364
women like all the time
give me some siliconed up bimbo and a skinny tomboy with glasses and buck teeth I'll pick that 100% of the time. I have had my face buried into perfect double Ds but my heart is for flatties alone. Girls who say dad bod are just lying, they'd pick a Chad over that all the time, in fact they do as soon as they can cheat.

>>24862424
*lie
>>24862359
>bro there is this nasty little rat-faced bitch at my work with huge front teeth. i'd destroy that shit, bro
that's literally me
rat-faced describes what makes me diamonds to a T

>>24862394
>13yo girls will stereotypically be into smooth androgynous boymen
yeah beauty in Asia is a lot more closely associated with neoteny

>>24862300
Watch some jerry springer. You will see two women fight eachother over someone who is at best average looking, doesn't have a job, and cheated on both of them.

Seasons 10 and on have some pretty good ones. Its very enjoyable to watch in the background of other things. Season 13's holiday hell 2003 is also highly recommended.

>>24859729
>>24859740
>>24859753
>Why do women only want wealthy millionaires?, he asked, in a thread devoted to a book about giving handjobs to cows
Stop projecting your insecurities. It's obvious that what women really want is foot long bovine dicks.

>>24862776
I think mr horsecock is a millionaire in that novel

>>24862816
Is he really? I thought he was livestock or something. Fuck it, someone should write a plantation romance novella about the unlikely romance between Bella Washington, the beautiful runaway slave girl, and Carter Swineburg Dixon, the brooding and violent (but surprisingly gentle with her) owner of several Alabama cotton and tobacco farms. Seems like there's an untapped market for historical fiction romance, I wonder why.

>>24862874
>Is he really? I thought he was livestock or something.
It's both nigga, he's a successful businesscow from selling his spunk.

>>24862882
why would he NOT be a billionaire
I bet even the bear in the Canadian bestseller is loaded with cash. no cash no pussy

>>24862898
lmao

>>24862394
I could say by the same standard that all the grown men who still have the sexual tastes of a teenage boy have arrested development.

>>24862424
So how do you explain the women whose privately consumed erotica doesn't match up with what you think is every woman's taste?

loosh farming disclosure

>>24863430
>how do you explain the women whose privately consumed erotica doesn't match up
they post that they like it on social media for brownie points (they don't actually like it)
literally everything women do that isn't chasing money and power is just posturing, which is a way to earn cred and climb the social ladder toward money and power.
I know what you're about to say: I'm a filthy incel who hates women. I do not hate women at all. I actually enjoy women in casual conversation a lot more than men, because men are even gayer than women these days. Women are literally the victims of the shitty men created by Jews. I cannot blame them, they are basically like the new generation of tablet brats. Yes, for a moment you do want to kick them off a cliff, but then you realize they're just children and they are not guilty of anything. They just have shitty parents. Making women not retarded was our job, men's job, and we failed. Actually the boomers failed. It was all the fault of the Jews, then the boomers, then millennials (our fault), and I think we were really the last generation to take the blame because everything after millennials is just some kind of braindead automaton, I don't consider anyone born after 1999 as human. But the women were our fault. Millennials just consumed too much porn and we stopped shaming sluts, so we got a whole generation of sluts. Now being a slut is normal, having no shame is normal, etc. All of this because of boomers and jews and then every other generation to a descending degree, until 2001 when history stopped.

>>24863535
>they post that they like it on social media for brownie points (they don't actually like it)
So why does it sell digital copies, including to people who never post about it?

>>24863556
>including to people who never post about it?
there must be men who read this sort of fiction
it's impossible that a woman does something without showing it to everyone. women are literally incapable of doing anything for the pleasure of it

>>24863579
By definition, if a woman did something and never posted about it how would you know?

>>24863584
>if a woman did something and never posted about it how would you know?
You mean cheating? I just assume they all cheat.

>>24850035 (OP)
>As a man who understands women very well

>>24863601
I mean if women read something and never post about it, how are you to know?

>>24860659
>You can recognize chicks who draw erotica for chicks because there's a lot more of a narrative and a mood and they draw better.
Lol
Lmao even.

The idea that women are more emotionally driven sexually or the like is a myth, it's absolutely a fucking myth. Their natural inability to identify with people they don't see as being "like them" enough makes it so they usually can't get into most visual porn, and the fact that their physical desires are more heavily decoupled from their emotional desires than men is also a factor, but what this means is that they tend to just get horny completely detached from their sexual and romantic interests and then gaslight themselves into the latter.

Their porn though is still full of throbbing giant cocks getting forced into tight holes, fat asses and tits slapped around, getting choked like sluts, and all of that, constantly. It's all powerfully built or svelte men using women like fucktoys and making them love it.

And it checks out in reverse, plenty of dudes love a swathe of written girl porn because unlike women they can easily insert themselves into the role of the dude and just imagine being a jacked as fuck minotaur or demon or whatever with some desperate slut literally whoring herself out to throat your cock. Ergo, it's the same shit fundamentally.

>>24863422
nope. teenage boys do not go through a phase of being afraid of feminine bodily features, they just like tits and asses from the start. how's a young guy going to be afraid of tits when he used to suck on them for sustenance? and there's zero reason to "grow out" of liking tits, tits are features of an adult fertile woman, there's no dysfunction here. on the other hand young girls are often afraid of the features of an adult male, like large bodies, facial and body hair, muscles, strong jawlines etc, and they gravitate towards the temporary compromise of "girlish" boys, or they obsess over horses, which are "masculine" but sexually unthreatening. they're supposed to grow out of this. some don't.

boybands have always exploited this, although focusing mostly on actual young girls and not batshit crazy middle-aged ladies. david bowie in the ziggy era was an early implementer of the technology. turns out if you act in a provocative manner while looking androgynous and wearing makeup girls aged 12-16 go into such a sexual frenzy the concert hall floor will be covered in three inches of pussy slime by the time they leave.

>>24863846
>The idea that women are more emotionally driven sexually
I never said that. I just said that they have a more complex taste for porn. You never see chick porn that's just a closeup of a giant cock. That's a gay man thing exclusively.
Listen I am not taking women's side I m just being honest. Only with men you can give em a picture of a pussy with no context, no atmosphere, just bam here's a hole and they get hard. I've seen lots of chicks who draw porn for chicks and they're always about a situation or at least have some nuance.
I am also the same person who said that women are one-note as fuck while men have much diverse tastes. My only point is that the lowest lows belong to men, it's literally just chimp tier shit.

>>24862394
>i didn't say there's no variance at all,
>Gets BTFO in an argument
>Immediately resorts to moving the goalpost
Losers like you would have a better time if you just admit to being a homosexual. None of this mental gymnastics you do to justify your cucky misogyny.

>>24864448
>Only with men you can give em a picture of a pussy with no context, no atmosphere, just bam here's a hole and they get hard.
what you're describing isn't actually "chimp shit" vs sophistication, it's normalcy vs neuroticism. the reason there needs to be a "story" around the penis and not just a penis is because women are pathologically unable to enjoy and engage with the thing itself, and need constant reassurance about what the thing "means," what it says ABOUT THEM and so on. a guy hears a song and goes "that's a good song" because it sounds good to him in the moment. a woman's, or a male neurotic's brain goes "but is that a popular band? what kind of people like it? what are the frontman's political views? what will my friends think if i wear them on a shirt?" it's the same with cock. "is this a rich guy's cock? high status cock? does it get hard for me and only for me, because i'm the most desirable special princess?" this is not something to envy. if you met a guy that thought this way about pussy, you wouldn't think he was sophisticated, you'd think he was a severe narcissist. a psychologically healthy man likes pussy because it feels good around his cock. that's enough. there's no neurotic search for justification.

>>24864607
>>Gets BTFO in an argument
huh? it's been a day and nobody has posted any manlet girlporn, broke neet girlporn and so forth. the goalpost is exactly where it was. do you think women actually get horny for manlets as much as for tall guys, and only accidentally forget to ever write porn about them? but i'm the one doing mental gymnastics?

>>24864646
>a guy hears a song and goes "that's a good song" because it sounds good to him in the moment
Spending 5 minutes on /mu/ will disabuse you of this notion

>>24864678
no it won't, because the internet allows severe neurotics to congregate and make each other worse. building your whole personality around your top 10 obscure albums is not how the average guy interacts with music, it's outlier neurosis, and looking at some internet community devoted to essentially competing in that neurosis will give you a catastrophically wrong image of the world. it's like if i went to a discord and concluded that most men want to cut their dicks off.

>>24864669
This manlet shit is too fucking specific, something you want to tell us pal? And yes, there are IRL women who are married to fucking manlets, mentally ill men or even men with full physical disabilities. You don't need a fucking romance novel to tell you that. Fiction which addresses these relations exists and you were given some examples just to handwave it quickly because you only want your shit conclusion reaffirmed.

>>24864646
Normalcy is such a vague meaningless term. You see a gaping hole and get hard, you're a subhuman ape. Simple as.

>>24864735
>And yes, there are IRL women who are married to fucking manlets, mentally ill men or even men with full physical disabilities.
we're talking about sexual attraction, not marriage, for which plenty of incentives exist beyond sexual attraction. when that woman married to a manlet reads a smutty novel about being kidnapped by a vampire prince, is the vampire prince in the book described as a manlet? no he isn't, or at least nobody has provided me with any evidence that he would be. he will explicitly be a tall guy. from this we can infer that the woman isn't attracted to the shortness of her husband, she merely tolerates it. the range of male body types (and personality types, life situations etc) attractive to women is much, much narrower than the other way around, which should hardly be surprising when you consider that women are the low-variance sex in general, in their iq etc. i don't know why this obvious reality causes so much seethe. okay, that's a lie, i do know.

>you were given some examples just to handwave it quickly
i was given a series of novels in which the male love interests were
>a tall handsome dangerous gangster... with scars
>a tall handsome dangerous gangster... with a deep dark trauma
>a tall handsome dangerous gangster... with amnesia
>a tall handsome dangerous gangster... that's deaf or something
and so on. and these quirks the various tall handsome dangerous gangsters have are so "important" that it's hard to even determine what they are without reading the book, because 99% of the goodreads reviews don't mention them at all and just gush about how possessive and dangerous the tall gangster is (or get performatively mad about consent or age gaps or whatever). i have no reason to be "handwaving" this crap away, it's making my point for me.

>>24864782
>Normalcy is such a vague meaningless term.
good thing i wrote the rest of that post to explain what i meant.

>You see a gaping hole and get hard, you're a subhuman ape. Simple as.
there's nothing subhuman about a healthy male libido. there's nothing wrong with being a man. men only say things like this when they were raised by women who trained them to hate their own sex.