Thread 24850210

So I finally got around to reading this book and I must say, it's a pretty good apolitical introduction to the history of migration. I came out believing the same thing I did coming in, that we humans are a nomadic species and migration is a fact of life. The right to roam shall not be infringed, chuds.

>>24850210 (OP)
I'd say countries should be allowed to close their borders to foreigners, but being allowed to leave any country should be treated as a fundamental right.

>>24850235
Like he said, we are nomadic and "countries" are artificial abominations created to control a peasantry.
But the current immigration crises in the West world is a plot to rile up rightwing fervor, to get us to have a "civil war" instead of a revolutionary war against them. In the aftermath the rightwing/control-wing will clamp down on all these rights of the former age. Those left alive will be too war weary and autistic to resist and the media will write the history and claim the nation simply wanted all this.
CIA/mossad/FreeMasons plan.

>>24850210 (OP)
You're half right. Humans aren't a nomadic species in general, but becoming nomadic is our natural response to hard times. When the crops fail or an earthquake hits the obvious thing to do is to take the best and hardiest of your group and leave for pastures new. When life is easy, there's no reason to abandon your homes and your fields and any of your friends and family too weak to make the trek.

>>24850210 (OP)
>migration is a fact of life
It is, but it's also sometimes associated with civilizational collapse. In Why The West Rules For Now by Ian Morris, migration is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

>>24850427
and what do u suppose happened if u "immigrated" into the land of some other stateless group? do you suppose the remote south east asian communities scott writes about in that book would welcome random migrants showing up and just living among them? if there's no state there's no police or immigration courts to protect you. leftists forget that the police and "juridical systems" exist to stop people from enforcing their own community rules with as much violence or little due process as they see fit.

>>24850453
In general, people are welcoming of immigrants when they come in small numbers. You can safely immigrate anywhere in SEA.

A takeover is a completely different thing, though.

>>24850427
The problem is that I don't see any way to escape from organization around monopolies on violence. So, in my opinion, states/countries are here to stay and so are borders.

>>24850547
leftism is fucking dumb is what it is. "100,000 years ago people lived in stateless tribes therefore all of recorded history is actually the result of a conspiracy and can be reversed!" get fucking real how do academics get away with publishing utter trash.

>>24850210 (OP)
>is ought fallacy in the OP
Gives women the ick

>>24850453
They did indeed.
>Protect
Just don't be dicks, bro. The police exist to aid the powerful and keep you in your place. Not to protect you, but to protect their property claims. If you're from the US, the 2nd Amendment forbids their existence btw.

>>24850547
>I don't see how the 2nd Amendment could possibly protect us from thugs seizing a nationstate
The solution was found. You don't found a state, and you put down any thug who tries. It takes strength of character and vigilance.
>>24850581
"Rightism" is the ultimate dumb when they expect that cages are ideal ways to live. Fucking lazy asses.

>>24850637
>You don't found a state
A bit too late for that.

>and you put down any thug who tries
What if I'm not able to do that by myself? Would you say that I should then try to organize with somebody else around fighting those thugs, even using violent means if necessary?

>>24850708
They rely on us to support them. Since we clearly hate them, all it would take is to organize the alternative and take action. It isn't "late", it's just an act of bravery needed on a mass scale. Including convincing a lot of the military etc. to join
>if I'm not able to do that by myself?
This is the primary reason they have instilled extreme individualism in society. We need to find common cause in the collective. (Not to be confuse with conformist traits)
>Violence
Of course. If your words can't convince everyone towards a peaceful solution, they require violence. Sadly.

>>24850437
>Humans aren't a nomadic species in general
Considering humans evolved as nomads I'd say we are.

>>24850744
You've missed what I was implying. Ii'm trying to say that resistance to the formation of any state would have to utilize organized violence. And at that point I'd say that you've already created a state yourself, even if its power is limited.
Basically, you can't escape the state, only change its form to something more tolerable.

>>24850210 (OP)
we're territorial as well, torturing and killing trespassers is in our nature therefore good

>>24850892
No.
This has always been an insipid conclusion.

>>24850901
Territorial is one thing, the rest isn't true

>>24850911
it is, humans torture and kill each other all the time therefore good

>>24850926
>Human do dis ting
I know what humans do. I know why they do it, and I know why they wouldn't. The human mind is incredibly malleable and we can choose to live how we want. Have you ever heard of MKultra, anon? We're acting like this because we're being directed to.

>>24850906
why?

>>24850892
Stateless societies can exist and wield organized violence. It basically works like a scaled up version of organized crime, with a huge elaborate web of social networks calling the population to arms one friend and brother at a time as each person who is called on to go to war in turn calls upon the men around him to join him. Rich, important men will also have a lot of guys in debt to them and can force them to join him in war in lieu of other payment. The issue is that a system built on interpersonal relationships breaks down if it scales up beyond a certain point, or if a charismatic chieftain dies and leaves a gaping hole in the network. And even when it works it is better suited for sporadic raiding than for total war between massive armies. States inevitably triumph over these systems in the long run because states have much more staying power thanks to their permanent impersonal institutions. People eventually come to prefer states in peacetime as well because those same impersonal institutions are less arbitrary on average than the tribal elders and chieftains who end up interpreting and enforcing the laws in the absence of a state. See also "Rule of the Clan" by Mark Weiner.

>>24850427
Go to Dearborn, Michigan faggot

Yeah, go roam into someone's house right now, chud.

>humans are a nomadic species and migration is a fact of life
So colonisation was okay, right?

>>24851074
>Victim of capitalist planned collapse to break the mild unionism
Not a good example. What where you trying to say here, fudge-packer?

>>24851191
That's migration of a state-capitalist entity looking to plunder. At some points the migrating workers did rebel, famously in the American revolution, but other such colonializations were just for plundering, the enrichment of the "mother country". The inclination of those who go out to these colonies are to GET AWAY form that "mother country".
Like those folks that hid in the swamps of the deep south or the Appalachians, and later the westward push of the pioneers. They were trying to get away from the urban sprawl and govt taxations, the filth of the cities in some cases.
Is it "Okay"? It is a natural thing. It is sad for the native Americans, but it's more human nature than this bullshit about us being default evil brutes who need cops and lawmakers and rulers of whatever kind.

Bump

>>24850210 (OP)
This book should (literally) be burned. It LITERALLY advocates raping my asshole every day because im white.

>>24853114
Your asshole should LITERALLy be burned.
Not because you're white, but because you're dumb.

>>24850210 (OP)
>great migration
>great replacement
???

>>24853281
Yes, these migration crises are being implemented by the Davos crowd, for both cheap labor and social divisions that will, they hope, cause a civil war and not a revolution against them.
We should replace them

>>24853314
oceanofpdf is great I just got that book
>otherwise
his concepts are flawed
societal gubbmit is like a larger version of a family with pops in charge

>>24850210 (OP)
>mass migration is le good
imagine being this retarded

>>24850611
Hume was gay

>>24850210 (OP)
>So I finally got around to reading this VN and I must say, it's a pretty good apolitical introduction to the history of rape. I came out believing the same thing I did coming in, that we humans are a rapist species and rape is a fact of life. The right to rape shall not be infringed, Sill.

>>24850637
>"Rightism" is the ultimate dumb when they expect that cages are ideal ways to live. Fucking lazy asses.

imagine typing this unironically. You retards literally yap incessantly about using others' tax dollars to support lazy asses that don't (not unable to) work, and trash with 17 kids and 13 baby daddies.

>>24851281
>That's migration of a state-capitalist entity looking to plunder.
then what do you call the migration of third world savages who just seek to leech off welfare, and commit crimes that they aren't punished for?

>>24855474
all it takes is one post for the deranged psychosexuality to come out

>>24855481
good response, you really showed me!

>>24855474
>He mad
>He can't think of anything to counter this
>Not even a "nu-uh! not me!"
>Brings up SNAP benefits
I'm not on welfare.

>>24855478
Everyone has a story, and there are various ways the state in shipping them in (Yes, this is the state plan. To break welfare, to make your type mad, to stoke social unrest) but a whole lot are simple folks looking for the same things your ancestors were.
>They aren't punished for crimes!
I don't know. But again, there is a plot to stir shit up in the US and EU. It is a plan to seize more power and get people to fight themselves and not them.

>>24855707
The notion that darkies are being used as bioweapons by elites does not absolve them of guilt. They knowingly take part in this rotten system, and are therefore enemies. Muslims aren’t shy about saying this btw.