Thread 24853196

>needing to read entire books just to understand a chapter of this book

yep its certified kino

>not being able to intepret a book of commonly-themed short stories on your own

yep op is certified retard

>dude know when Joyce made that one reference to someone else's work?
>I really felt that part

>>24853588
checked your dubs

I liked that story where the guy looses all his money gambling after the race

>>24853196 (OP)
None of the stories require secondary literature, except possibly Ivy Day in the Committee Room

Genuinely one of my favourite chapters (or short stories) I've ever read. Masterful.

I found it rather dull.

the irony is that if you learn the references from some sort of companion text, or even if you pre-emptively study the references, as preparation to read the esoteric text, either way you’ve completely missed the effect, which emerges from the stimulation of a well-stocked memory, not from mechanical prodding with the intellectual equivalent of pornography: cherry-picked lists of references organized by their appearance in some other book.

>>24853196 (OP)

I'm in progress with a detailed comparison of all the stuff. The stories were crafted to connect to each other via certain details, which is amusing when you pay attention.

>>24854111

I wasn't crazy about it, honestly. A personal favorite was "A Painful Case", which depicts an atheistic bachelor with stable employment who has a younger woman briefly come into his life, but then he pushes her aside and he ends up totally alone. Let's just say that it hit a little to close to home.

>>24854318

And yet Joyce in particular seems to stimulate exactly these sorts of lists, which undermines your observation because he is obscure and specific to his period. I have two of them on my shelf at the moment. When I first read Portrait as a teenager, I made the terrible mistake of flipping back to the disconnected end-notes every single time, thus breaking up and ruining the reading. What the hell is a fan for Parnell, and so on. You are of course just suggesting to keep reading and get the point, but this tends to get lost otherwise. I was able to read to my mother at age three and I have a hard time with it (Joyce in general) precisely because the historical context stuff. What hope does some illiterate zoomer have, and why would they care. Joyce really did disappear up his own asshole with the abstraction. This endears him to the /lit/ set who want to do the smart stuff, but he's exceptionally obscure.

>>24854111
OMG DID THE KEK HAVE AN EPIPHANY!!! HOLY SHIT IT'S JUST LIKE ME WITH MY WIFE AND MY WIFE'S BLACK BOYFRIEND

I don't recall /lit/ having the cuck (cvck) filter turned on

obligatory donoghue
https://youtu.be/2K_R_qenw6M

>>24854478
You can hardly blame an artist for being a product of his time. The internet exists to fill the gaps in your background knowledge.

What's the deal with all this urgency on catching the references? I mean, yeah the city's references may enrich the imagery and the depth of connotations of some passages, but the stories are great in themselves. This was one of the first books I read in English, I'm not an Anglo and it marked me profoundly. So much that I intend on rereading it.

>>24856482
Are they great stories excluding allegory? Like which ones? I remember a foray into them a few years back they seemed to lack plot

>>24856508
That's kind of the point. The Dubliners are not the protagonists of their own lives. The book is a catalogue of regrets, inaction and missed opportunities.

>>24856532
I remember liking Araby as a mood piece at least

>>24855875
This reads like a Tourette spasm

>>24854467
>younger woman
huh? she was a matron

>>24854478
I don’t think the list of references critique even applies to Dubliners or Portrait. In portrait, once you understand who Parnell is and have a general grasp of Ireland’s history and anxious identity the book should be fairly intelligible from a historical perspective. I don’t really know what you mean by up his own ass with abstraction. The stream of conscious style?

>>24854467
>who has a younger woman
Did you even read it? Oh my god you thirdies do not understand anything.

Check these dubs

>>24857756
Kek

>>24854467
My favorite part was the description of his going to the same restaurant for dinner every day. Reminds me that I would still be miserable even if I had a third place and ate complete meals instead of peanut butter crackers. She was older though.