Thread 24856401

Books like this.

>>24856401 (OP)
depressing book

the first act of christianity in Europe was the demolition of Europe. If christlards could read (they can't. not even their own bible), they would defend everything documented in that book.

>>24856469
Nah, you're just a naive dude believing distortions and exaggerations of a resented female writer. It is notorious that many pagan temples in Rome by the time Christianity started to flourish were abandoned, some served as prostitution houses.

Christianity destroyed the future of mankind and it won't even last another hundred years against zoomers with jew memes.

>>24856494
I would have more respect for you if you owned it. The constant lying of christmutts in the face of easily verifiable facts is disgusting.

If Paganism was practically dead, why did you have to outlaw it under punishment of death?
Is anti-jewish sentiment dying? Is that why jewish groups are pushing harder and harder to outlaw any criticism of jews?

noo not my heckin idoliroonioos
aaaaa fucking jews grrrrr

>>24856540
This. Like an even more destructive Dick Cheney, we are still living with the consequences of Abrahamic occultism

Anyway. Book for OP

Abrahamic religions belong in the dustbin of history.

>>24856401 (OP)
This book is so Reddit dude. I'm not even Christian and even I know the pop history interpretation of Hypatia is retarded. I mean the propoganda against her and her eventual attack happened because she was in league with a rival Christian politician. Saying you take this book or any number of pop history books seriously is an embarassing admission.

>>24856575
why wasnt there any notable pagan rebellions? I think the general lack of evidence of public pagan flourishing kind of indicates the general exhaustion of paganism.

>>24856401 (OP)
What I am more interested in was the general synchronicity in late antiquity. Between Christians, Maenacheists, neoplatonists, etc. There seems to have been a general monadic spiritualism in the air. Even in statues of the very much un-christian tetrarchs you see the beginnings of the abstraction and simplicity of early medieval art and a tendency away from the illusionism/realism of classical works.

>>24857006
forgot pic

>>24857006
Yeah there is an interesting shift that you can see gradually happening. Even from outright polytheists they still tend to accept ideas around an absolute god of some kind.

>>24857006
The reason for "why so few pagan rebellions" is because, at least at first, when the christians came to power, they didn't crack down too hard on their largely pagan citizens, to whom the emperor only worshipping one god was weird, but had some precedent in things like the Emperor having a primary patron god he focused his main devotion to, so as long as he wasn't stopping the rest of the empire from doing what it needed to, people didn't mind as much as they could have and the unrest from it stayed manageable.

Similarly, since most of the various temples, cults, and so on were far less aggressive and united about conversion, the numbers of christians kept growing, usually as much for political reasons as anything else, particularly after the fracturing of the empire and the validation of split loyalties to the citizens [Split Imperial authority, not even once, folks. Right up there with lead, the Pope, and the shift from imperial absorption to resource extraction for causes of the imperial collapse].

So by the time it got to the point that pagans were actually being persecuted enough to incite rebellion just by itself, rather than it being one of multiple, usually more relevant, motivations, there just weren't enough of them. Their entire root theology hadn't evolved to deal with an actively hostile on theological grounds faith actively trying to convert people not culturally but religiously and that specific form of hostility and thus ideological warfare was anathema to most of them who's prior issues with christians had a lot more to do with them being an insane death cult openly professing to be undermining the societal institutions of the empire than the god they worshipped specifically.

>>24857006
>exhaustion of paganism.
>>24857008
>forgot pic
Was this a funny?
The "exhaustion" was with the imperial state.
The original Christians, martyrs, Gnostic, and highly decentralized were what the exhausted people wanted, needed, but the empire absorbed it and turned them back into zombis for the machine.

>>24856401 (OP)
Think of all the Hypatia's christians killed

>>24856540
We will meme our way into victory, meme magic baby.

>>24856990
>This book is so Reddit dude. I'm not even Christian
I totally believe you.

>>24857006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
Retard

>>24857046
Grim, historical record really goes to show that Christianity is jus a resurgent Phonencian/Carthagian/Jewish psyop to destroy Rome and Europe.

>>24857006
>why wasnt there any notable pagan rebellions?
There wasn't any Christian rebellions either. Not until the Arab Conquests under a completely new regime. The population of the Roman Empire was demilitarised and it was illegal for them to own weapons they would not plausibly have for their profession like a bow or a sling. Riots did occur in favour of either side, but the Imperial response to all riots was to bring in the troops to the city and kill everybody in the streets regardless of who they were supporting. To say the least there was serious unrest caused by Christians in cities, especially Alexandria which resulted in riots. I wouldn't really say there was more Christian rioting compared to Pagan rioting, its a very dependent thing. Riots by Pagans was common in Alexandria because of how poorly the bishops treated the population and how coercive they were to the point they literally dragged the Bishop George the Cappadocian and executed him for his treatment of the population. Which Julian was not happy about because that was illegal.
>Even in statues of the very much un-christian tetrarchs you see the beginnings of the abstraction and simplicity of early medieval art and a tendency away from the illusionism/realism of classical works.
The statues of the Tetrarchy are just really really weird. They are almost all originals and not recarvings, and they weren't reused due to how strange they were to deal with. It's almost certainly down to Diocletian's personal taste and after Galerius the style died out. Constantine preferred a more classical look although still adopted parts of Tetrarchic art. It certainly did set a new stage for how art would continue to develop going forward in sculpture, but much of the more extreme impersonal parts of the style was done away with by Constantine

>>24857043
Cope really. You can be anti/non religious without being a retard and historically illiterate you know? If you want your arguments to work you need to not source slop pop history.

>>24857222
>>24856401 (OP)
Also, ofc, it should go without saying that Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is similar in some ways, but obviously way more thorough and nuanced.

>>24857066
>Hasn't even read the wiki page he posts
Good luck bro, you're cooked.

lol get fucked rometards that’s what you get for being crust busting boy fucking faggots

>>24856575
Paganism was absolutely dying. Go read The Ancient City to learn about what Paganism actually was and why it was inevitable it would die.

>>24856401 (OP)
Good book.
>>24856540
This. Now Christcucks are trying to pretend they're coming back.

>>24857020
makes sense, really good response to my post anon.
>>24857214
Also good points about the general irreligiosity of rebellions in late antiquity.
>The statues of the Tetrarchy are just really really weird
yah I find it a really interesting period in terms of art history. Like you mentioned, constantine seemed to bring back/repurposed some of the older more classical styles, and later on byzantium when back and forward between flat explicitly otherworldy and almost elflike portrays and occasionally bringing back elelements of classical perspective. I always wondered how those classic techniques were preserved since it often seemed like hundreds of years between the styles going in and out of favor.

>>24856401 (OP)
Bad enough that even reddit atheists think it's lame.

https://historyforatheists.com/2017/11/review-catherine-nixey-the-darkening-age/

>>24857304
Based. Romans were degenerate tranny faggots and they deserved to be destroyed

>>24857243
Too bad Himmler didn’t personally incinerate your grandparents

>>24856401 (OP)
Bad history books...
>reduce centuries to something that fits their edgy thesis
>are flashy but cherrypick the fuck out of millenia
>suck up the zeitgeist and shit out propaganda
>are kept alive by teenagers while academics avoid it so as not to embarrass themselves
>cost a tenner at the airport

Good history books...
>compare the best hypotheses to gain knowledge in a reasonable time frame
>are boring but accurate and full of ambiguous detail
>are as independent of political influences of their day and age as possible
>are kept relevant in curriculae, libraries, and research institutions
>cost like 190 American dollars used

>>24857066
One time, I was being laughed at by a historian for implying the 30 Years' War was about religion. He said it was about land and money first and foremost. What I am getting at is that although religion might be a factor, one is never to forget that power, land, taxation, influence, subjects, war gains, unity and so on so forth are not to be forgotten as true motivators. Especially when we are talking about an event from 1300 years ago. So, did it matter they were pagans? Maybe yes, maybe no. Did it matter that Constantinople was Christian when it was sacked by Christian crusaders?

>>24858195
>ACK

>>24856401 (OP)
facts. We had to relearn plumbing and shit thanks to christians

>>24858195
Holy brainrot bro. The discussion was about antiquity, not the middle ages and you linked the massacre of Verden. Which, was not even an uprising. It was an invasion in response to Saxon raids. 4chan infographic ahh understanding of history.

>>24857046
>>24857090
And all their sources are... their arses

>>24857036
Pagan was a shithole with economic crisis, 2/3 of population are slaves, civil wars, extreme economical inequality, wars, etc... even before christianity, you simpleton.

>>24858193
Rome was a shithole basically worse than Africa, if you are not the elite (1% of the population) you are treated worse than vermin, economically and technologically it was stagnant, without slavery the empire will have collapsed early on.

>>24857020
Partially true, Rome itself was always culturaly, religiously and politically fractured even in the times of the republic, this explains the tons of civil wars, usurpers, assassinatos, etc... besides christians almost didn't need to to anything to pagans, it was already dying and losing grounds to other monotheistic religions like mitraism and manicheism or some form of henotheism, christianity just was more succesful on this as it offered much more advantages, there are rarely persecutions, altrough they are isolated cases, exceptions and not the rule, besides, christianity being a death cult is not a problem, folk didn't trough this, besides... Constantine converted for religious reasons and not political ones since the empire was still majority pagan (especially the elite, senators, equites, etc... people who ruled the empire and have real power), of course, we can't forget that Rome itself treated different cultures/religions differently, sometimes with tolerance but sometimes violently and ruthless, you are partially correct still.

>>24856575
>>24857006
>The constant lying of christmutts in the face of easily verifiable facts is disgusting.
There are no lying here just historical facts, if you want to be a dishonest (besides illiterate simpleto) vermin suit yourself, and no, Paganism was not outlawed in that time, only blood sacrifices who was considered obsolete, paganism died of natural causes, lose ground to christianity (a better faith with more advantages), entire communities converted, following the ruler, nobility, etc... especially by example, pagancuckery was just superior for you wiggers, in that time they didn't trough this.

>>24860094
dumb jeet

>>24856540
>>24856962
Pagan Empires haven't existed for over 700 years how do you think they're going to exist now?

>>24857222
I doubt that very much

>>24856401 (OP)
bump

>>24856401 (OP)
Stupid bitch quit Twitter after one of her claims was proven wrong.
https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2017/10/21/hunting-the-wild-misquotation-again-the-perils-for-the-author-of-not-verifying-your-quotations/

Ramsay MacMullen's "Christianizing the Roman Empire, 100-400" and "Christianity and Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries" is the non-retarded version of the Nixey book's thesis.

>>24856401 (OP)
The Persecution Myth by Candida Moss and books by Richard Carrier. Books on esotericism as well, since they show how great "Unchristianity" is.

>>24862479
>look up your pic
>not yet released
Are you he?

>>24858100
she cute tho

>>24862479
>carrier
you are brown

>>24862588
I'm not and you're a liar because you're Christian.
>>24858100
>reddit atheist
>it's just atheist apologetics, a website that disagrees with anti Christian takes on history
You're really wrong about calling it reddit atheism but you're too stupid to see why that is so

>>24862735
>You're really wrong
Not* really wrong

>>24858100
That guy is a notorious crypto-apologist whose "nuance" always ends in the Christian position. He even says the Dark Ages never even happened, a clear Christian inspired talking point with zero empirical basis.

>>24862773
Dark Ages as a Christian destruction of ancient learning and the prevention of science has no empirical basis. The only kind of "dark age" that's real is the kind where it's "dark" because there's limited existing sources for the period.