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Anonymous No.24867465 [Report] >>24867558 >>24867891 >>24868074 >>24870061
/grrm/ - George R. R. Martin General #96
dornish phalanx edition

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Anonymous No.24867558 [Report] >>24867635
>>24867465 (OP)
first for pink masts
Anonymous No.24867635 [Report]
>>24867558
Hear! Hear! And second for
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
Anonymous No.24867813 [Report] >>24867828 >>24867992
Anonymous No.24867828 [Report] >>24867992
>>24867813
Anonymous No.24867891 [Report] >>24868264
>>24867465 (OP)
>dornish phalanx
Is that canon? Where was it mentioned?
Anonymous No.24867992 [Report]
>>24867828
>>24867813
Why is Dorne so fucking dry? It feels like it's too exotic. A remnant from when the world was just Westeros.
Anonymous No.24868074 [Report] >>24868478
>>24867465 (OP)
So are we getting those art pieces Anon said he'd make, its been like 2 weeks?
Anonymous No.24868129 [Report] >>24868160 >>24868343 >>24869245 >>24869778 >>24870302
recommend me some asoiaf-pilled games
im playing FF XVI right now and lore inspiration is so obvious. played elden ring but there's no story so fuck this game.
Anonymous No.24868160 [Report]
>>24868129
Mount & Blade: Warband. Lol.
Anonymous No.24868264 [Report] >>24868717 >>24869765
>>24867891
idk but they fight with shields and spears
Anonymous No.24868343 [Report]
>>24868129
>there’s no story
Read nigga
Anonymous No.24868478 [Report] >>24869244
>>24868074
I forgot about that. Still dont remember much about his promise.
Anonymous No.24868667 [Report] >>24868862 >>24869143 >>24869194 >>24869230 >>24869247 >>24869306 >>24869332 >>24873412 >>24875126 >>24875765 >>24875869
thoughts?
Anonymous No.24868717 [Report]
>>24868264
So did 90% of armies for the vast majority of human history.
Anonymous No.24868807 [Report]
Hot Pie would be the ideal Master of Whispers now that I think about it.
Anonymous No.24868862 [Report] >>24875763
>>24868667
>abandoned his story right as magic was about to take center stage
This fat fraud only knows how to write littlefinger and varys schemes.
Anonymous No.24869143 [Report]
>>24868667
>My magic system isn't a magic system because it's costly and sometimes it backfires
Anonymous No.24869194 [Report] >>24869317 >>24874535 >>24875763
>>24868667
For once I agree with the rotund procrastinator. The way Sanderson writes magic, at least what little I have read from him, it is far too systematic; everything is laid out before the reader, there's little mystery to be had.
Anonymous No.24869230 [Report]
>>24868667
He's right for once.
Anonymous No.24869244 [Report] >>24870205
>>24868478
I think it was two pieces of Tyrion being capture by Catelyn and Stannis recruiting the Northern Mountain clans
Anonymous No.24869245 [Report]
>>24868129
Final Fantasy type-0 kinda, but the gameplay is ass and it requires multiple playthroughs.
Crusader Kings if you have autism and want to 'play' a spreadsheet.
Anonymous No.24869247 [Report] >>24872181 >>24875765
>>24868667
Makes for good stories but it's not true. The word 'supernatural' is a modernist invention done as a semantic sleight of hand to denigrate magic. People always knew that magic was part of the natural world. Magic can backfire because it's hard, not because it's not natural.
Anonymous No.24869306 [Report]
>>24868667
when was this?
Anonymous No.24869317 [Report] >>24869330
>>24869194
The way Sanderson writes anything is steaming fucking garbage.
Anonymous No.24869330 [Report] >>24870205 >>24875763
>>24869317
Magic works best either the Sanderson way where everything is thought out and internally consistent (although Sanderson himself spends far too much time explaining his magic systems rather than developing characters), or the Tolkein way, where you kind of never really see it. Having wizards running around throwing fireballs and summoning spirits and raising the dead cheapens both the setting and the concept of magic.
Anonymous No.24869332 [Report] >>24869333 >>24869441 >>24869723 >>24870213 >>24873416
>>24868667
>thoughts?

Makes sense, I don't want to read a bunch of magic rules, all that matters is the effect on the story.
Anonymous No.24869333 [Report]
>>24869332
woah!
i thought he was always a fatfuck
Anonymous No.24869441 [Report]
>>24869332
Woah he was a loser just like me? I finally get it Georgie. I wouldn't have finished the books either.
Anonymous No.24869723 [Report]
>>24869332
>beard
>no mustache
i never knew gurm was a muslim
Anonymous No.24869765 [Report]
>>24868264
Everyone does. Are there any mentions of them fighting in a phalanx with large round bronze shields?
Anonymous No.24869778 [Report]
>>24868129
Crusader Kings
Anonymous No.24870061 [Report] >>24870080 >>24870085
>>24867465 (OP)
>"You must name another heir, until such time as Jeyne gives you a son." She considered a moment. "Your father's father had no siblings, but his father had a sister who married a younger son of Lord Raymar Royce, of the junior branch. They had three daughters, all of whom wed Vale lordlings. A Waynwood and a Corbray, for certain. The youngest . . . it might have been a Templeton, but ...
Wow Catelyn really was doing everything she fucking could to stop Jon being named heir to Robb
Anonymous No.24870080 [Report]
>>24870061
Around Bastards, Await Disaster
Anonymous No.24870085 [Report] >>24870103 >>24871266
>>24870061
And for good reason, once legitimized, most northern houses would support him over Sansa and Arya, while the same cannot be said for some random Vale lords- Also Jon had a dream about cutting off Robb's head and shouting that he's the lord of Winterfell
Anonymous No.24870103 [Report]
>>24870085
>most northern houses would support him over Sansa and Arya
Based. W*men should never rule.
Anonymous No.24870205 [Report]
>>24869244
Would have been cool
>>24869330
>Having wizards running around throwing fireballs and summoning spirits and raising the dead cheapens both the setting and the concept of magic
I don't know why people are so opinionated about magic. This viewpoint feels kind of pretentious. As if saying that liking fantastical things enough to want to see more of it is somehow bad/immature.
Anonymous No.24870213 [Report]
>>24869332
>I dreamed I was old.
Anonymous No.24870302 [Report]
>>24868129
A world of ice and fire is an amazing mod. Is it perfect and will it capture the whole essence of ASoIaF? No but its the closest you will get.
Anonymous No.24870372 [Report] >>24870389 >>24870435 >>24870565
>some days ago
>go to bed
>dream I'm in a Mediterranean villa chatting with GRRM
>he tells me he's waiting for a girl he met years ago and that he's in love with
>the girl passes by, dressed like a dominatrix
>she's a former workmate of mine
>GRRM says hello to her
>she answers angrily she has no time slots for him
>wake up
HELP
Anonymous No.24870389 [Report] >>24870398
>>24870372
Anonymous No.24870398 [Report] >>24870454
>>24870389
The worst of it is, I don't know whatever became of her and she was so pretty ;_;
Anonymous No.24870435 [Report]
>>24870372
Should have whipped him to write the books.
Anonymous No.24870454 [Report]
>>24870398
Requiem for a Dream (2000) for the QRD
Anonymous No.24870565 [Report]
>>24870372
kino
Anonymous No.24870730 [Report] >>24870835 >>24871115 >>24871125 >>24871469 >>24871611 >>24871968 >>24875637 >>24875763
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2025/11/10/ffc-art-accusations/

Lol. Lmao even.
Anonymous No.24870835 [Report] >>24870928 >>24871115 >>24871230 >>24871968 >>24875440
>>24870730
Just went through a twitter thread with the art linked, absolute AI slop
No heraldry, characters not wearing house colors, a fuckin cross

https://x.com/novembernatten/status/1986109371177181669
Anonymous No.24870928 [Report] >>24871115 >>24871138 >>24871968
>>24870835
Would be funny if it wasn't ai and instead just the world's dumbest artist
Anonymous No.24871115 [Report] >>24871968
>>24870730
>>24870835
>>24870928
>mismatched colors
>only vague resemblence to the scenes they're supposed to represent
>shitty/generic MMO tier designs where Margaery's wedding dress randomly has armor on it
>general AI fuckery like weird limb placements, jewelry that sinks into the skin and nonsensical backrounds
The guy they got to do these didn't even bother to use a good generator. You could probably get better results by just copy pasting the scene from the book + each character's description. Embarassing.
Anonymous No.24871125 [Report] >>24871144
>>24870730
Love that they protect the AI guy AND at the same time distance themselves and put the blame on him in case if anybody manages to prove what he did. Embarassing that a boomer like George bothers to engage in this debate though, since when he has any knowledge of it?
Anonymous No.24871138 [Report]
>>24870928
This is the most generic AI crap possible, you'd have to really go out of your way to make it look that AI generated. Just the first picture in that post has a weird assymetrical crown (that looks like a generic cartoony fantasy crown and nothing like the one described) held by a green skinned zombie.
Just skimming through and we also have;
>a crucifix hanging off a wall for no reason in the one where Sam's throwing a punch (I guess the Braavosi became christian)
>Cersei (wearing blue) sitting on a chair in front of the Iron throne, seemingly with only one leg left. Generic fantasy crown.
>Tommen & Marge's wedding where both are wearing armor inside a non-euclidian gothic church
>long haired Tywin buried in a crown by his two innacurate children (in the Lannister blue, naturally)
Each and every single one is filled with obvious AI hallmarks. Even if the characters looked accurate to their descriptions, the 'style' is the most obvious slop imaginable.
Anonymous No.24871144 [Report]
>>24871125
The post wasn't written by him, they probably just asked him to put it up to put an end to the controversy. George is a boomer so he might not have good eyes for slop, but he should take issue with accuracy and definitely the abysmal quality. But he most likely wasn't consulted (prior official art is stellar by comparison) and if he was, he's deteriorated too much to finish even Winds on it's own.
Anonymous No.24871213 [Report] >>24871228 >>24871263 >>24871982
The whole thing is particularly retarded because historically ASOIAF has pretty stellar artwork as seen in The World of Ice & Fire and the colored illustrated Fire & Blood edition, plus all the calendar art. Even the graphic novel editions of the Dunk and Egg stories are very detailed in the artwork. How did they drop the ball so hard here? Why is everything so enshittified?
Anonymous No.24871228 [Report]
>>24871213
Maybe the declining popularity of the franchise led to profit margins getting squeezed, which led to cost cotting and the company hiring the cheapest artist they could. And as usual, when you are hiring the cheapest guy expect him to cut corners as well
Anonymous No.24871230 [Report] >>24871968
>>24870835
even if it's not AI (it probably is) that Crown of Winter is fucking horrible
Anonymous No.24871263 [Report] >>24871376
>>24871213
>ASOIAF has pretty stellar artwork
What are you talking about? On the contrary, this has always been a weak point. A great series saddled with sloppy & generic art.
Anonymous No.24871266 [Report] >>24871325
>>24870085
>most northern houses would support him over Sansa
Who the fuck would want to be ruled by fucking Sansa?
Anonymous No.24871325 [Report]
>>24871266
Petyr Baelish
Maybe Stannis, he's into redheads
Anonymous No.24871376 [Report]
>>24871263
I'm thinking of Magali Villeneuve and René Aigner in Rise of the Dragon and the recent calendar. Some of the art in Rise of the Dragon was pretty good, but glancing through it, there's still a lot of slop.
Anonymous No.24871388 [Report] >>24871402
Also here's a quote from the CEO of Penguin Random House that published the AFFC illustrated edition:

> Mr. Malaviya’s primary goal is growth. After the collapse of the Simon & Schuster deal, it became clear Penguin Random House could not buy its way out of the decline, so much of its growth will have to come organically — by selling more books. Mr. Malaviya said that, hopefully, A.I. will help, making it easier to publish more titles without hiring ever more employees

https://archive.is/20240502121011/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/books/penguin-random-house-nihar-malaviya.html#selection-4425.0-4425.369
Anonymous No.24871402 [Report] >>24871698
>>24871388
>AI slop supporter is a fucking jeet
Every time.
Anonymous No.24871419 [Report]
Elio also went through the wiki a while back and generated a bunch of lame AI fanart to upload for some characters
Anonymous No.24871469 [Report]
>>24870730
gurm is such a fat fucking disgrace. keep chasing pedowood slop you old demented fuck
Anonymous No.24871611 [Report]
>>24870730
What a fat hack
Anonymous No.24871698 [Report]
>>24871402
Keep, coping little timeon, Asshai chads own westeros.
Anonymous No.24871734 [Report] >>24871752
Asshite-by-the-street
Anonymous No.24871752 [Report]
>>24871734
Lazy westerosi know nothing about advance asshain magicks. The next king of Westeros will be form Asshai
Anonymous No.24871872 [Report]
my OC character is Dickon Ball
Anonymous No.24871968 [Report]
>>24870835
>>24870928
>>24870730
>>24871115
>>24871230
GRRM fans confirmed brown... many such cases
Anonymous No.24871982 [Report]
>>24871213
The 2025 calendar is definitely AI or some sort of shitty digital art trickery. The 2026 looks much better and has a real artist attached to it. George had me for these two years for hope. No 2027 for me. I'm happy I've been part of the fandom just as things really went to shit. Fuck GRRM
Anonymous No.24872137 [Report] >>24872160 >>24872206 >>24872343 >>24872906 >>24873771
Who is the hottest MILF of ASOIAF?
Anonymous No.24872160 [Report]
>>24872137
we don't know since it is a book series and therefore there won't be any canon pictures of the characters, only cringe fanarts and the shitty hbo show
Anonymous No.24872181 [Report]
>>24869247
He’s using it as a figure of speech, you potato. The supernatural is relative. The fire a wizard conjures is still fire. The children of the forest would definitely see their magic as natural. The supernatural just means occult nature.
Anonymous No.24872182 [Report] >>24872187
Drop a shiny chrome candy bar wrapper into the past and it’s going to be seen as unnatural. Same with whatever the hell is responsible for the magic in asoiaf. Magic is something to entertain, by men as well as higher powers.
Anonymous No.24872187 [Report]
>>24872182
>Magic is something to entertain, by men as well as higher powers.
For men, it’s seeing things like metallurgy and alchemy as forms of sorcery. For higher powers, it’s whatever the hell is sending visions to people.
Anonymous No.24872206 [Report] >>24872507
>>24872137
It was between Cersei and Melisandre but the former is a fat alcoholic now so Mel is the undisputed GOAT (yes she counts as a milf because she gave birth)
Anonymous No.24872343 [Report]
>>24872137
She's younger than me now.
Anonymous No.24872507 [Report]
>>24872206
I was about to be a blonde loving slave and say Cersei. You are right, Mel is better.
Anonymous No.24872746 [Report]
THE RED-HAIRED WHORE AT ASHFORD WAS MELISANDRE
Anonymous No.24872826 [Report] >>24872859 >>24873030
What if Maegor the Cruel was Maegor the Kind
Anonymous No.24872859 [Report] >>24873030
>>24872826
His impotent seething Visenya genes would still have doomed him
Anonymous No.24872906 [Report] >>24873427
>>24872137
you can judge a man by the power of his enemies and a woman by the status of her orbiters
so the answer can only be Lyanna Stark
Anonymous No.24872943 [Report] >>24873422
MELISANDRE IS QUAITHE IS SHIERIA SEASTAR IS MELONY
Anonymous No.24873030 [Report]
>>24872826
holy based
>>24872859
holy cringe
Anonymous No.24873396 [Report]
> Six Wives
> Zero Heirs
The Seed was weak. Rhaenys won
Anonymous No.24873412 [Report]
>>24868667
>magic is a plot device I can use for whatever I fucking like
Anonymous No.24873416 [Report]
>>24869332
That room reeks of stale sweat, unchanged clothes and virginity.
Anonymous No.24873422 [Report] >>24874477
>>24872943
LOLLYS IS THE GHOST OF HIGH HEART
Anonymous No.24873427 [Report]
>>24872906
God I bet Lyanna had sexy feet
Anonymous No.24873429 [Report] >>24873517
Wait a minute I just realized. Maegor was sterile because he was brought back from death so the in universe rules state that the undead can’t breed. Dany is sterile from the witches curse and Aegon isn’t really a Targaryen. This means that even if Jon gets brought back the Targaryen line is already extinct
Anonymous No.24873517 [Report]
>>24873429
He was married to Ceryse Hightower for 15 years with no kids by the time he died.
Anonymous No.24873771 [Report]
>>24872137
Cat
Anonymous No.24873801 [Report]
Magic is like radiation and makes you infertile. Only the Valyrians (as well as their precursors) and the Children of the Forest knew how to circumvent this and produce more magical lineages. Shadow binders in Asshai are probably infertile.
Anonymous No.24874022 [Report] >>24874374 >>24874650
it will never cease to amaze me that people actually ride roy dotrice's dick so hard they think his narration of asoiaf is remotely tolerable, let alone good.
Anonymous No.24874374 [Report] >>24874650
>>24874022
DavidReadsASOIAF mogs him
Anonymous No.24874477 [Report] >>24875495
>>24873422
SATIN IS THE REAL AEGON
Anonymous No.24874535 [Report] >>24874692
>>24869194
In premodern cultures magic was an attempt to apply systematic thinking to nature, which seemed inscrutable and chaotic, in order to hopefully get more consistent results. So Sanderson is actually sort of on the same wavelength as ancient sorcerers when he reduces the supernatural down to consistent systems with repeatable formulae. Making the world less mysterious and more amenable to mundane human activity was the point. This same thinking is also why nature was often seen as evil or at least hostile, and mythologies often featured nature stand-ins such as Tiamat being slain or tamed by the anthropomorphic gods of civilization. Gods of magic like Odin, Enki and Thoth were usually on the side of the civilized gods. Science killed magic because it is just a straightforward upgrade that accomplishes the same goal but better.
Anonymous No.24874650 [Report] >>24874660
>>24874022
>>24874374
Filtered. You actually fucking sicken me.
Anonymous No.24874660 [Report]
>>24874650
what sickens me is listening to roy dotrice choke on phlegm or attempt to imitate a female
Anonymous No.24874692 [Report] >>24874696 >>24874699 >>24876986
>>24874535
>So Sanderson is actually sort of on the same wavelength as ancient sorcerers when he reduces the supernatural down to consistent systems with repeatable formulae
It was still poking at mystery. Confronting it. It was still risky business. Like, sure, the system in ancient China was “drink this mercury for longevity” at the time. Natural learning even very recently was spliced with spirituality, religion, etc, and all religion, all spirituality, has mystery, mysticism, at its core.

Magic is cutting edge. Again, it’s sort of like Marie Curie poking at radiation, trying to figure it out, and becoming sick in the process. Her diary is still radioactive. Or just Isaac Newton treating natural sciences as a side project in his obsessive theological disputes. He was obsessed with Hermetic alchemy and sacred geometry.

There’s definitely a system afoot (if there wasn’t nothing would happen), but it’s iffy and possibly even dangerous, and it may even be closer to the realm of psychology—the softest science of all—if it’s a lot like, or comparable to, tossing a piece of raw meat to a wild and dangerous animal. How personable is the magic? Magic is Alive. Spirits and gods and other forces that *interact*. Magic in ancient times usually had or was attributed it to external intelligence(s). Magical ability, even prophetic ability, was seen as a gift from the gods. Or demons. Do demons see themselves as magical? Do the gods for that matter?

Otherwise it’s just humans interpreting esoteric knowledge bases as magic, the way the Greeks did, or the way poisoners, alchemists, artificers and smiths were seen as sorcerers, and wizards, etc, once upon a time.

Magic is something to entertain, be it on your end or another’s, and perceptions will definitely change over time. The word for pharmacy came from an old Greek word for sorcery, and the word for magic in ancient Greece eventually took on or incorporated higher forms of natural learning, not solely just hocus pocus or superstition (which was, again, just the realm of psychology - the Greeks thought the Persian magi demon summoners and magicians - but later they realized they’re just tending to their own religion, and they have legitimate knowledge to impart).

Magic, like religion, or power, is relative and it updates itself, but the essential ingredients are mystery and exposure logic. Wonder and enchantment. “Wow, how, and why?”. It births religion. “I know something you don’t know”, “I can do something you can’t do”, “I have friends you don’t have”, etc, falls along into it.

The universe is its own stage as well as its own magician.
Anonymous No.24874696 [Report] >>24874703
>>24874692
shit-covered pajeet hands prompted ChatGuPTa for this post
Anonymous No.24874699 [Report] >>24874703
>>24874692
I also really wish more would understand that religion is a precursor to science in observation-theory. “The stars are the gods” was their observational theory, their science, at the time.

The self-acknowledgment of the scientific method doesn’t mean it just came into being come the scientific revolution. The ancient Egyptians were going about the scientific method when they prepared the tinctures to dye their robes regardless of whatever they thought of the matter.
Anonymous No.24874703 [Report] >>24874754
>>24874696
I am not a Jeet. I am white. I may ramble but I am 100% human. I just added to my post here >>24874699

I’d point out a few spelling errors as proof of my human-ness but lately I’ve noticed that even chatgpt makes spelling errors.
Anonymous No.24874707 [Report] >>24874902
Humans hate empowering the unknown and this is why physicists will scream at you for describing gravity as magical due to how little we know about it really.
Anonymous No.24874717 [Report]
>ChatGuPTa
Also lol’d
Anonymous No.24874723 [Report]
>Do demons see themselves as magical? Do the gods for that matter?
It would be like seeing yourself as a god to ants, and being annoyed that they’re not worshiping you after dropping a few jelly beans on top of their ant hill
Anonymous No.24874754 [Report] >>24874763 >>24874764
>>24874703
you 100% did not write that post and no, you are not aryan saar. no normal person uses em dashes or curved quotation marks, and those two things combined with the double paragraph spacing most definitely mean that you did not write this
Anonymous No.24874763 [Report]
>>24874754
I appreciate the effort, but alas, I wrote all of it, and I am most certainly not white.
Anonymous No.24874764 [Report]
>>24874754
I appreciate the effort, but alas, I wrote all of it, and I am most certainly white.
Anonymous No.24874902 [Report] >>24874942
>>24874707
Isn't of physics fake anyway, it's all theory and cope
Anonymous No.24874942 [Report]
>>24874902
Those theories make testable predictions. If the results of the tests match the predictions of the theory, then the theory is (at least in part) accurate.
Anonymous No.24875107 [Report] >>24875112 >>24875120 >>24875160 >>24875385
If you could have Christopher Lee play one role in a GoT adaptation, who would you cast him as?

Tywin? Barristan?

Any number of Targaryens?
Anonymous No.24875112 [Report]
>>24875107
tycho nestoris
Anonymous No.24875120 [Report] >>24875732
>>24875107
jaehaerys
Anonymous No.24875126 [Report] >>24875409
>>24868667
>"Magic must be le mysterios and shouldn't have any rules"
>The most magic-heavy storyline (Bran's) is one that is the hardest for him to write
Yeah, sounds nice, but it doesn't look like it's working.
Anonymous No.24875160 [Report]
>>24875107
Satin.
Anonymous No.24875385 [Report]
>>24875107
Christopher Lee would be very well suited to the Blackfish. He lacks the range needed for Tywin, and replacing Charles Dance as Tywin is an almost impossible task.
Say what you will about the scripts he was given, he's considered one of the best British actors for a reason and had an absolutely electric chemistry with every other performer he interacted with regularly, especially Peter Dinklage.
I feel bad that he went back to doing slop ITV dramas after his role in GoT ended but I'm glad he gained worldwide recognition at least.
Anonymous No.24875389 [Report]
The non Roy Dotrice voice actor they picked for AFFC is just terrible, holy shit. Everything is told in the exact same cadence, every character talks the same way in voice, accent and tone, it's insane. Who the hell approved this?
Dotrice's ADWD is markedly worse than the first three books but it's still in a completely different league.
If the series is ever finished I hope they get the people that did Wheel of Time to voice it all.
Anonymous No.24875409 [Report]
>>24875126
Methinks Sam is also holding him up pretty hard
Anonymous No.24875440 [Report]
>>24870835
One thing AI is better at than any human artist is images of things that meld into each other, where you can almost see something comprehensible but not quite. You could AI yourself a mean R'hlorr fire vision.
Anonymous No.24875495 [Report] >>24875510 >>24876693
>>24874477
Satin's balls look like fuzzy peaches
Anonymous No.24875510 [Report]
>>24875495
Satin is a girl and Robert's bastard and a qt
revealed to me in a green dream
Anonymous No.24875545 [Report] >>24875618 >>24875793
In another world, Robert Baratheon could have faked his death and give his throne to Stannis while he just adventured, hunted, and drank.
Anonymous No.24875618 [Report] >>24875621
>>24875545
who are these supposed to be?
Anonymous No.24875621 [Report]
>>24875618
I don't know, the girl looks vaguely like Arya. I just posted it because I like posts with images, they're pretier.
Anonymous No.24875637 [Report]
>>24870730
Just took a look at David Lightbringer's video on this and the art is totally ai generated. I don't know how anyone can look at those images and think a human produced them.
Anonymous No.24875732 [Report]
>>24875120
Done.
Anonymous No.24875745 [Report]
I like Stannis, he clearly has the best claim and he's level-headed and honest. He'd make a competent king, if not a popular one. But he is bald, and morally I don't know if I can fully support that.
Anonymous No.24875763 [Report]
>>24868862
This
He even stated at Bubonicon and Oxford that the plotlines he struggles the most with are Sam and Bran's, who are conveniently, the most magically tied up plotlines. Because frankly, how the FUCK are glass candles not a hard magic system? How is warging not a hard magic system? The warlocks at the House of the Undying seemed to be able to maintain their immortality for a while. The children of the forest also seem pretty consistent with their ability to live in animals and the weirwoods.

>>24869194
>>24869330
I think Sanderson just has a different goal for magic in his stories- using a fake-science magic to problem solve in his universe. You also have to remember that he is a mormon, so his worldbuilding is literally part of his religious activities while prepping for Godhood. He literally thinks he will make the Cosmere real, which is why the magic system has to be autistically detailed.

>>24870730
I wouldn't be surprised if OpenAI paid this guy to put shitty AI art in GRRM's illustrated edition for the sole reason that GRRM is leading one of the lawsuits against them and hoped this would torpedo it.
Anonymous No.24875765 [Report]
>>24869247
>>24868667
I think George needs to read Isaac Newton's books on alchemy and realize that some of them did think this magical stuff was repeatable in a lab.
Anonymous No.24875793 [Report] >>24875820
>>24875545
He wouldn't need to fake his own death?

He could have lead an army overseas and been gone for years like roman generals always did.
Anonymous No.24875820 [Report] >>24876272
>>24875793
Roman Emperors were actively expected to campiagn and throw frstivals though, I don't remember Westorosi kings having any expectations on their action but the fact that they're seemingly always in the Crownlands outside warfare or diplomacy makes me think they're expected to stay in the crownlands for some reason. I know Tywin used Robert's idleness as a symptom of his shittiness.
Anonymous No.24875830 [Report] >>24875917 >>24876119 >>24876536
A united Seven Kingdoms were on borrowed time as soon as the dragons died out. The only reason such a large spread of land could be forcibly united was the mobility of dragons. So the show's ending of a world without dragons and a splintered kingdom into multiple independent states is just the natural conclusion of things. There's no way anyone could enforce the territorial claims of the Targaryens without the dragons Frankly, it's a miracle the Targs were able to hold on for another hundred years. I think a more realistic setting would've had the Blackfyre Rebellion end in a permanently divided kingdom.
Anonymous No.24875869 [Report] >>24875881 >>24876986
>>24868667
>magic has to have no rules!!!
This is fucking stupid. How the fuck does he think magic rituals and shit worked in the past? Even the word ritual implies a defined, repeatable set of actions. Which is what magic was. People didn't just flail around randomly, they logically and systematically attempted to influence the world around them according to their conception of reality. It's just that their understanding of the principles of nature were incomplete/wrong.

This idea has gotten popular among 4chuds. I don't know why they insist that magic has to be le spoopy and unexplained. It's not even magic if it doesn't have rules. In real life, but even more so in a story. In a story you are effectively already omnipotent. Making something happen and calling it "magic" is just (you) pulling a plot device out of your hairy asshole. It's magic when it adheres to a set of internally consistent rules, a portion of which must be known to the readers if not the practitioners.
Anonymous No.24875881 [Report] >>24876156
>>24875869
Ideally magic should have ironclad rules in the author's head but without the characters in the story knowing more than a fraction of them.
Anonymous No.24875917 [Report] >>24876119
>>24875830
I think it's pretty cromulent given how big many empires are and how little the king of the Seven Kingdoms functionally matters. The main institution is Westoros is obviously the Faith of the Seven, there is infrastructure like the Kingsroad, and the Maesters seem to be an organized bureaucracy who greatly benefit the seven kingdoms individually. The North, Iron Isles, and Dorne are the only regions I think would benefit greatly from independence, the rest of the five kingdoms seem to have a good thing going on under an imperial rule, when the king isn't a dipshit obviously but even the most fractured and unstable places do fine under competent enough leadership (eg China, Rome, and Russia)
Anonymous No.24876119 [Report] >>24876241
>>24875830
>>24875917
The Vale could easily be independent as well, the Bloody Gate is just as good a fortification as Moat Cailin, they've got fertile soil and Gulltown is one of the most well-placed ports in Westeros. Through the Three Sisters the Vale can control all trade coming in and out of White Harbor, so the Vale would also have the North by the balls.
Anonymous No.24876156 [Report]
>>24875881
this
Anonymous No.24876176 [Report]
Watching Pluribus and it got me thinking how hiveminds, and thus the children of the Forrest/old gods, are evil. I wonder how George is reconciling his love of the old gods and his plan of making bran king with his hatred of artificial superintelligence
Anonymous No.24876241 [Report]
>>24876119
>Through the Three Sisters the Vale can control all trade coming in and out of White Harbor, so the Vale would also have the North by the balls.
If such an obvious weak point existed for the north the stark arryn war would not have lasted a thousand years.
Anonymous No.24876272 [Report]
>>24875820
He can make up any excuse he wants to go east for war. Like he wants his legacy to be that of an 8 Kingdom realm.

Hell he can settle Norvos as the first step to going east, as it appears to have land similar to Westeros.

Assuming this map is accurate of course.
https://quartermaester.info/
Anonymous No.24876536 [Report] >>24877052
>>24875830
The Dance ended with the North waving its dick around. Cregan taking his vows seriously and having the last standing army allowed the Kingdoms to come back together. I think everyone was so war wary they figured fuck it, give Aegon III a chance, there won't be anymore wars with him. In the time after Aegon III, I think the reason everyone remained loyal to the crown was because you could feasibly advance yourself beyond your local kingdom. Tyrells live for that shit and I would assume there was always a Lannister on the small council. Just as there would soon be a Martell always in a Targaryen's bed. Starks just love their honor and never made a move sooner than Robb which by his time was a Post-Targaryen world. It's fun to think about but you're right it couldn't last forever.
Anonymous No.24876693 [Report]
>>24875495
Imagine what they'd taste like if you put them in your mouth h-haha I jape
Anonymous No.24876986 [Report]
>>24875869
You're not doing the necessary nuance. See >>24874692

Magic is/was a lot like psychology, which isn’t a hard science at all.

Magic in George’s environment is a “science”, not a science. “Magic”.

It's at the edges:

— ‘"Fantasy needs magic in it, but I try to control the magic very strictly. You can have too much magic in fantasy very easily, and then it overwhelms everything and you lose all sense of realism. And I try to keep the magic magical — something mysterious and dark and dangerous, and something never completely understood. I don’t want to go down the route of having magic schools and classes where, if you say these six words, something will reliably happen. Magic doesn’t work that way. Magic is playing with forces you don’t completely understand. And perhaps with beings or deities you don’t completely understand. It should have a sense of peril about it.” - George R. R. Martin

No different from tossing to a wild beast a piece of meat and hoping for its favour.

No different from alchemists in antiquity chugging mercury thinking it’s longevity.

No different from psychologists poking at the human brain and claiming to know it.

No different from past physicists poking at nuclear cores and dying horribly in the process.

No different from mad science - "ah sweet, man-made horrors beyond my comprehension".

If mystery, wonder and horror make magic, then ignorance is the greatest magic of all.
Anonymous No.24876992 [Report]
The capital-w wizard is so transcendent, so alien, and so humble, that they don't see themselves as capital-w wizards. Their bar for magic is so far off from yours.
Anonymous No.24877047 [Report]
I know JonCon's bottom was impacted, if thats what you're referring to
Anonymous No.24877052 [Report] >>24877110
>>24876536
>Starks just love their honor
Why do people conflate Ned's traits with those of his house?
Anonymous No.24877110 [Report] >>24877192
>>24877052

Who are the dishonorable Starks?
Anonymous No.24877192 [Report] >>24877210
>>24877110
>theon burning andal villages
>bennard trying to steal his nephew's birthright
>brandon sticking his dick in every hole
>every stark who sacrificed people to trees like bran's vision showed
>every stark who engaged in or turned a blind eye to prima nocta
>the night's king presumably
>that one brandon who threw a tantrum and burned the north's fleet
Anonymous No.24877210 [Report]
>>24877192
ah, the Legend of Brandon the Burner, know thats not a story the citadel would tell you.