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Thoughts on the series? Always kind of loved the lore and the original PC games (played MW2:Mercenaries to death, even though I was barely halfway decent beyond "Instant Action")

Recently got my hands on a second hand copy of the 4th Edition Beginner's Set of the table top from the 90's that for the most part entirely intact (never played one before, so it should be interesting to say the least)

>>23251572 (OP)
Why the fuck did you get 4th Edition when you literally could've just gotten the A Game of Armored Combat box? You do realize the game is still in print right?

Fun series. Mw5 is a great sandbox game with mods. Same with the battletech pc game as well. It’s got some pretty neat mechs too that aren’t just taken from a anime franchise like the goshawk 2 shame it’s never been in the video games

>>23251572 (OP)
Stolen or stupid mecha design. Unchangeable borders in stagnant interstellar politics. Stamped evil empires and technobarbarians as enemies.

It sucks, to be honest.

>>23252420
>Unchangeable borders
no one show him the ilclan map

>>23251572 (OP)
You a clanner or an outer?

>>23252420
>tfw one of the most Battletech-y looking Japanese mechs wasn't ripped off

>>23251572 (OP)
was just playing battletech last night
the granularity of the tabletop is a lot of fun
gyro hits, ammo explosions, etc

>>23251572 (OP)
Most boring anti-climactic bland 'lore' of all the tabletop franchises, how do you portray mecha warfare so fucking dull?

>>23251572 (OP)
My favorites are urban and raven but in each and every installment for pc they get the shaft and frankly i am quite unpleased with this development.

>>23254278
This is why I'm glad I'm more fond of the Timberwolf/Mad Cat and Jenner. They basically have stayed the same for every iteration

I've always liked faster mechs that can run circles around the opposition

>>23254305
my main problem with them is that the arms look like they would snap right off when you even so much as look in their direction with a lb-x

I remember popping pic related in a CD player once for laughs and it started popping out techno music.

>>23251572 (OP)
i just wasted 270€ on hotas with pedals for mw5 and clans, please proceed to ridicule me in an orderly faschion

My favorite battelaru Techsu game is Mech Commander 2 and Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries

>>23254431
>hotas with peddle
? Post pix
I haven't tried MW5 yet but I have played MWO(meh) and the 2018 BattleTech game(good!)

The mods that add more mechs and extra weapons are based

>>23254436
I just ordered it today, they are marked for delivery on the 22nd but this is my setup so far. I know o need to fix the lights but i havent found a fairy light that matches the warmth of the elite dangerous setup i have and it drives me mad.

>>23254432
>try to get this running on some anon on /v/'s recommendation
>install from an iso and use cracked exe
>doesn't boot
>download cracked non iso version
>doesn't work
>put audio folder from the cd install into the cracked non iso's folder
>works fine
fucking what?

By the by does anyone know how i fix that? its only happening when i use a Viper

>>23254461
Nice that's a cool setup

>>23254506
Idk I think last time I played it I was on win7 machine

>>23254461
based cockpit view maximizer
i literally cannot understand people who use 3rd person

>>23254278
The urbanmech is literally a piece of shit and you're mad that it's portrayed as a piece of shit? The raven is a specialized scout that needs a specific unit to support and scenario where it's useful. No offense, but you might just be stupid, anon.

>>23256554
Most Ravens runs just fine on tt in appropriate scenarios. Urbies are a bit of a joke in a lot of circumstances, but if you play someone in a tight urban terrain, a lance of them can definitely put the fear of god into you. Just don't expect that performance from something like MW5 or MWO where players can consistently lay alpha damage on single parts and melt them.

>>23257611
Where do these idiots come from? Most of these "realistic military" designs in the West are either stolen from the East or inspired by it!

The Japanese may have made fun of the mecha genre, but at least they have a good variety of mecha designs - from cartoonish to very realistic. The West passes off its limited imagination as "realism" - to hell with that shit!

>>23251572 (OP)
Clanshit always seemed kind of lame. I liked the whole political maneuvering of the Great Houses combined with hiring mercenaries. I like Comstar but my mechs are painted in Rasalhague colors.

>>23251572 (OP)
my kingdom for another game in the vein of the MechAssault games, as neat as the MechWarrior games can be sometimes you just want something less simulationist than those games get

>>23257663
Realism fags are the most annoying set of nerds out there. They are so insecure about their own hobby but too fucking attention hungry to just keep it to themselves that they convince themselves that if they can make it realistic then it’ll be fine to talk to other people about which is where all this annoying realism shit comes from. Anyway Eisenfaust in mechwarrior when. I want mono eye rep

I wish we saw more of the Japanese redesigns of certain mechs after the unseen stuff happened

>>23257611
The guy is just a dipshit. The mech isn't lumbering at all.

>>23257615
Even in a city, a lance or urban mechsnis no more threatening than a lance of anything else. Yeah, the AC/10 is a slug, but it's not like there isn't a horde of better mechs or tanks that do the same job while also still being useful on the approaches.

Does the story end in 3057? The wiki and other stuff just kinda ends around that time frame

>>23258891
You’re forgetting the urbanmech is dirt cheap and packing way more armor than equivalent lights.

>>23261998
Battletech is up to the 3150s with the current Illclan Era sourcebooks. We’ve only got the first few books out so far.
Battletech got fucky after the clan invasion and FedCom civil war. FASA went under and Battletech was sold to Wizkids who moved everything into the Dark Ages of 3128 after the FTL communications went down. This was based off their Heroclix games and played very differently from Battletech.
Krauts love Battletech though, so German company FanPro, who held the German License for Battletech, convinced Wizkids to let them publish the English Classic Battletech alongside Mechwarrior: Dark Ages.
Some of the FanPro products covered the Word of Blake’s Jihad which was essentially background material in Dark Ages IIRC. Before they we didn’t really know much about the Jihad.

>>23262205
I understood like 25% of whsa you said but i can attest to:
>Krauts love Battletech
As a kraut that got introduced to it 4 month ago and wasted 500€ on it so far, yes is love it i soak it up like a hungry carp. Especially the 'classic' stuff so far

I'm having a wonderful time.

>>23252758
Played a game tonight. 12 rounds of fury, alphastriking multiple rounds in a row, dodging ammo explosions, shutting down, hitting every fucking location except the one I made a hole in 7 turns ago, finding out after the game that I missed a rule for my force that was hidden in the back of a book that wasn't even about game play rules. I even had a mech get pushed off a cliff. This game makes me crazy, I love it so much.

>>23262824
Been playing through another campaign of BTA. And I managed to salvage a Stormcrow and instantly thought of you.
This is a very dumb build and I love it.

Remember when the combine got so mad at elementals they made a whole new mech just to kill em

>>23274303
why is it pooping

>>23274369
To shit on toad corpses

>playing Mechwarrior 5
>holy shit it's so addicting
>fuck Operation Galahad, A unique Victor and its' lance is raping my lance's ass (aka material cost isn't worth the trouble)
>kept reloading and managed to bait it alone
>it needed a Hunchback w/AC20BF circle strafing it death
>didn't even got its' gauss rifle as loot
Welp, I wish I can beat the shit out of those filthy scum clanners.

>>23276760
You can with the help of mods

>>23276760
You're set for life if you nab a Daishi.

What kind of seats are in these mechs? I would guess some kind of bucket seat or in shittier ones maybe even a boat seat.

>>23282500
Iirc most of them have normal seats you could find in like a car or something

>>23282500
I don't recall seeing specifics on their implementation and ergonomic design, but battlemechs typically feature ejection seats as part of emergency escape functionality.

As for the ergonomics? Fuck, if you ask me it depends on era and how much you want to take cues from the licensed works that informed early BT. I personally go with the assumption every seat starts at "it looks exactly like the ejection seat for a VF-1 Valkyrie" and go from there.

>>23282560
I could imagine that to be true for some of the shitty budget once like the bj-1
>>23282645
Does every mech always have an ejection seat? I could imagine that some of the more, lets say improvised once, would use that weigh and space for something else, considering IS operations can take days or weeks you would need some space for waste and maybe some room to rest. I can vaguely remember an illustration of a kurita pilot shaving in the cockpit

What's the verdict?

>>23252420
You're a tremendous faggot and I would enjoy hurting you irl.

>>23258225
Autismos like you are by far the most insufferable losers of them all.

>>23283443
ejection seats
Military mechs not having one are rare exceptions. There's only a handful, with the Spider, Raptor II, and whatever new weeb light that the dracs put out of ilclan being the only significant ones. Police and industrial mechs modified for fighting often don't have them.

>>23284508
The most common one, the Copper, doesn't have one or a life support system. The probably second most common one (which was the more expensive securitymech that the Copper was based on [which was subsequently based off of the Commando]), the Peacekeeper does get at least life support, but it's garbage and only mostly works. Still no ejection, though.

>>23283599
Greatest hero of the inner sphere. Made the clans bid away some of their most useful assets for invasion

I like the Gothic FWL Atlas’s stupid pope hat

>>23284919
its not really somewhow, its pretty well explained how and why

>>23284919
In the lore GM are the company that made the first commercially viable Fusion Engine, and they are far from the only 1900s company still extant in a thousand years time. Nissan also survived, amusing considering they are the big Japanese manufacturer most likely to go bankrupt today. Ford made it to the twenty sixth century at least, although I forget if they survived to see the late succession wars or if they just got absorbed into the Comstar blob (they weren't a company that made it out of the near Earth environment iirc). Boeing and Lockheed also made it (in the form of Boeing Interstellar and Lockheed Galactic) and Mikoyan made it to the 2500s.
Honestly having a few modern era industrial corps making it a thousand years feels like it fits right into a setting where certain platforms have been in production for over five hundred years with little to no change and the fucking ma deuce is still coming out of factories (oh yeah Browning survived a millennium iirc).

>>23283498
Kino

>>23258607
They really are pretty neat.

>>23257663
my only issue with these "realistic designs" is that the cockpit scaling is all over the place. Why do you need an entire room to sit in? They should be packed in there like sardines.

>>23288708
So you can be comfy as you campaign for weeks at a time. Also, the mechs are much smaller than you think. Most are around 10m tall with the tallest being 14m. Not all of the "head" is empty space either. You've got a bunch of life support and sensors up there taking up space. The setting is a projection of the future from the perspective of the late 80s, so computers aren't these small desktops, but cabinet sized things like this Cray-2. Takes up a lot of space.

>>23276760
Losing a Gauss rifle in 5 physically hurts. Can never find the fucking things unless they're attached to a rare variant or "hero" mech.

>>23251572 (OP)
Well, this is a universe from the category of an already impossible future based on the wet dreams of anti-Sovietists.
>https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Second_Soviet_Civil_War
>https://www.deviantart.com/kingsofwinter/art/Before-Battletech-The-Soviet-Civil-War-2011-2014-912645659
So it is already morally obsolete, not to mention that it is looped and constantly returns to the status quo even after seemingly global political changes.

>>23291801
Anon, not sure how to tell you this but the Soviet Union lasted longer in Battletech than it did in reality. By that metric, reality is "anti-Sovietist".
As for returning to the status quo, I would agree with you insofar as none of the Great Houses are allowed to dissolve now, but the early history of plot development (that is, the bit of the setting that everybody paid attention to) had very rapid changes. The emergence of the FRR, the formation and late dissolution of the Federated Commonwealth, the Clan Invasion, SERPENT and BULLDOG, you have a shitload of interruption to the status quo. People who play 3025, 3050, 3060 and 3145 play radically different games in terms of both play style and geopolitics. Does it suck that the retards that have been in charge of the game for the last quarter century were only willing to kill Comstar and the Stoners and nobody else? Yes. Is the system locked into a status quo? No.

>>23291801
Fuck off, zigger.

You think Bandai survived into the future? And if so how important does the combine consider them

>>23288790
we've really come a long way since then
too bad anime has only gotten worse

>>23257678
Mechassault was cool but I prefer mechcommander

>>23291827
>By that metric, reality is "anti-Sovietist"
I wouldn't say so, because IRL the Union actually dissolved itself, relatively peacefully, without a civil war and NAFO invasion - and now they're talking about Cold War 2.0... So, yes, BT is the wet dreams of anti-Sovietists - especially since there are no space-Russians in the setting (and don't talk about the Capellan Confederation because it's a Chinese dominion), unlike some Franco-English or Germans.


>Yes. Is the system locked into a status quo? No
Now look at the map again, carefully. Do you see any real and long-term changes? I don't.

The Steiner-Devion Alliance quickly fell apart, the Clans captured Rasalhague and a little bit more, but there was no radical change in the borders in the Inner Sphere, the Capellans slowly recaptured almost everything they had lost, and the Free Worlds League actually got back together after the collapse. The Republic of the Sphere turned out to be a farce, and the Blakist jihad ended in nothing despite the high damage.

The Wolf Empire? It came into being and WILL COLLAPSE. The Marian Hegemony - the Space Roman Empire is a joke. The rest of the peripheral countries are ordinary nonentities.

In the end, it's always the same Great Houses with temporary difficulties, Clans as plot crap for a short time and Periphery which is independent because nothing depends on it. It's BORING.

AH picture.

>>23291335
>give AI followers mech with arms
>slap it with precious tier 3 gear
>AI proceeds to UNGA BUNGA 3 enemy mechs and loses arms
>bonus point enemy mechs have melee weapons
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>23292169
I hate how not even mods seem to fix that. I gave these ratbrains lrms and ppc, set the ai to sniper and the first thing it does is fucking hug a mech.

>>23292029
>>23291801
>screeching about a country that flew itself into the dirt 34 years ago
>morally obsolete
>NAFO
Oh my God, shut up. The country nearly did descend into civil war and it was only the country being incredibly broke and the hardliners being cowed by the prospect of western intervention.
>muh borders
Go cry about France looking basically the same for the last 500 years.

I want a longbow fig, i found a beginnersbox for the tabletop with one, is 36 euros reasonnable or do i get ripped of? Also are there any paint guides for mouthbreather?

>>23292702
no, you are a nigger, dont support them.

I've been having a ton of fun with MW5: Clans. The ambient music in between missions is so eerie and sci-fi feeling that it kinda captures the mood perfect.
I think the IS Mechs soak up a bit too much damage considering you use clan weaponary on them, but it is what it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP3a2dyDQDE

I also love that the clans all wear weird 80s jumpsuits, it just feels very authentic to the setting.

Wish it was bigger here, but all it ever gets is people talking about the Unseen and complain and then move on. When you count all the eras of BT, only a very few mechs were taken from Macross etc. And so what? I love Macross, so why would I complain about a Phoenix Hawk?
Another thing BT does that I always wonder why it never happens is go to bombing industrial centers.
I always wonder why in UC conflicts nobody just destroys the industrial base, if half the population is dead in the OYW you'd think the industrial capacity would be shot to shit...

>>23292702
Is it the set with the rules and some maps? Then 36 euros isn't too much of a rip off, but if there's a sale it'd be a better price. For barebones painting, do a prime coat of black and then dry brush whatever color you want over it. Color in the cockpit a complimentary color or whatever you want and you have a no-longer-completely-shameful mech

>>23292702
>longbow
There is no "beginner's box" with a longbow. You're just looking at a normal unit pack. 36 EUR for a pack seems steep, but idk how the supply shortages do to tariffs are affecting European supply. Typical would be a few euros less. If all you want is just that one model, then just get the individual one off ebay or find a 3d print service and provide them an stl file.
>paint
Look on youtube for 500,000 different miniature painting guides and just pick one. If you want a simple one, then prime it in black, paint it whatever colors you want, and then add a black wash over the top. Easy peasy.

>>23293071
It isn't bigger here because it's primarily a table top game. The battletech thread on /tg/ is where most talk happens, but they don't really care about the video games. Literally nobody complains about the unseen designs coming from other series unless you're deliberately trolling. They're popular designs that still form the backbone of the setting.

>>23292029
>especially since there are no space-Russians in the setting

>>23294093
You don't understand anon, for him there MUST be a Russian expy in the setting. No, Tikonov doesn't count, they need to be at least equivalent in power to the Federated Suns (but with the Lyran Commonwealth's industry and the Capellan Confederation's internal zeal) or they don't count. Fucker has only looked at maps on Sarna and shit to justify his position, bet he thinks that the FWL of 3145 bears any real relation to the FWL of 3025

>>23294105
>spoiler
Not either of those anons, but the maps or the nation itself? Because either way, shit's turbo fucked and I'd say that Irian is probably the most FWL thing left

Mech warrior/Battletech projects needs to be more lore-accurate to the details (still waiting game with proper clanners team building exercises.

>>23294166
Both. The maps are completely chopped up from where it once was and so many provinces have split off or been carved up by neighbours that league is a shadow of its former self. Then politically you have the entire shitshow that was the Andurien Crisis followed up by the Jihad destroying the League altogether. The current FWL is a new nation trying to piece together the glory days of the league (and watch that anon use that as an example to say that "nothing ever changes in the setting GOD" while glossing over the fact that he wants HIS static culture expy'd into the future as a great power) but it is an extremely porous collection of states that have only just eased up on basically having their own Succession Wars period internally for who gets to occupy the true seat of the Captain-General of the Parliament.
And that is just the FWL. The Cappies have looped from crazy internal dictatorship to coalition builder with periphery allies, the FedSuns lost their heartland to the Dragon, the entire clan occupation corridor radically changed the coreward side of the sphere forever. This fucker just thinks that because you can overlay one map on another and the superpowers are still in roughly the same place, the setting must be completely static.

>>23294169
Aren't those uniforms lore accurate?

>>23292271
>The country nearly did descend into civil war
That's what I'm saying, the Westernoids' wet dream of a complete collapse of Russia into separate states - but screw you and BT will never become the future of humanity. You can cry.)

>>23294093
This
>>23294105
But not quite. I would have been happy with some small peripheral state with diesel-mechs. You see, when the BT setting has both Steiners and Rasalhague and several peripheral countries with a German-Scandinavian theme, you start to think that there are too many "Aryans" there, for example.

>>23294166
>>23294545
Guys, you see, all this space plot bullshit is complete crap.

FWL fell apart? Okay, that's where it belongs. What's going to happen to that space? FWL will be reborn! Why the hell? Why not reassemble this crap into some new state or a conglomerate of several small and fairly strong states? Why not expand the Marian Hegemony on the territory of the former League and make a Space Roman Empire for fun? FWL is just a name and that's different, you know? Then even more so, why the hell even have a name - they could have called it something idiotic in the style of BT, like the Confederate Systems Union?

The Capellans turned from Commie-Chinese into Imperial-Chinese? Like, applause for a brilliant scenario decision? Rather, thanks IRL to China for becoming a significant power, I suppose.

It's the same with all the other "changes" - they kind of exist for a while, but then EVERYTHING rolls back to more or less the previous positions. You can take a screenshot - after all this mess with the Wolf Empire, I assume, I'm even sure of it, the Devions will again turn out to be the main good guys, and they'll kick the asses of all their enemies and friends.

Another AH-picture.

>>23294169
You might even find fault with the fact that the mech warriors aren't wearing bikinis and cool vests.

They didn't even try.

>>23297854
This is kind of post made a troglodyte with pond scum for a brain.

>>23297842
That map is even less cutup than the current map. And you wish it were so easy to get rid of the fedsuns

>>23293610
Oh hey I had that toy as a kid

>>23298517
>>23293610
This reminds me, was the Monster ever made into a Battletech machine? Just looking at it I could see the four main cannons being the biggest guns available (like AC-20, IIRC) with the hand cannons being smaller lasers or maybe AC/2s.

>>23298592
It was part of Battledroids which was the precursor to Battletech. The miniature looks terrible.

>>23297842
tbf I really don't know why so many battletech fans will really go to bat over the lore progressions that were plainly and clearly only done to make new slates for marketing new releases of the game by other companies the license had been sold to.
They're not even very well liked, either. There's like 500 years of battletech that's fun to play and isn't stupid, the rest is just packing peanuts for IP sales.

>>23298592

the closest i would think is the Stone Rhino/Behemoth.

>>23299430
>>23298592

yea looks like the stone rhino
specifically the low poly MW2 model

>>23299430
>>23299451
Oooh yeah, I definitely see the resemblance.

>>23297846
Ironically the Clans not wearing that is very canon.
The bikinis were because cooling suits didn't exist in the Inner Sphere during the Succession Wars, so you wore the vest and basically nothing else to maximize cooling/sweat evaporation.

Clans still had cooling suits so Clanners would be decked out like a Gundam pilot.

I like to pilot my mechs naked

>>23300012
Like left or right?

>>23254506
Nice, I made that. Thanks for saving it.

>>23258607
Check out Capitan_06 on pixiv
He did a great job carrying on the Shoji Kawamori Battletech redesign work.

>>23302002
There was also a series of threads on reddit about the 'mechs from the VMI funded JP BT videogame releases that were redrawn by Dana Knutson for TRO 3051, but I can't be assed to find them.
Not nearly as nice as all the Kawamori work, but interesting apocrypha.

Also cant forget the bonkers repaints that Laubenstein did for Solaris VII; The Game World.

>>23288112
It's also nice how some people are converting them and Capitan_06's designs to 3D models.

>>23302661
Damn the black knight is one of my favorite mechs and that redesign fucks

>>23302026
Honestly this looks like it could come from xabungle

I bought a set of Comstar Battle Level II, since I wanted to make some Comstar fanatics, but I can't think of a color scheme for them. Do I just paint them white, or is there some more fun scheme?

>>23303684
paint them in the black inferno scheme, they were payed by comstar so its fair game

>>23303687
Looks really badass, thanks anon, I'll consider it.

>>23303692
godspeed and please post them when you are done

>>23303687
Those guys were just mercs and were folded up before the War of 3039. They used generic IS mechs and didn't get a wiff of lostech.

>>23303677
There were at least four different Mechanical Designers on the SFC VMI MechWarrior game. Takehiko Itō of Outlaw Star fame, Kazuhiko Miyake, who did the Behemoth/Stone Rhino, Atsushi Takeuchi, and Noboyuki Ikigami.

>>23303918
With Takeuchi being credited as the lead Mechanical Designer.

So I'm guessing Takeuchi did the IIC designs that became the VMI color plates in 3055.

>>23300022
Girl looks more fun honestly....

>>23297854
Isn't Davion suppose to be Space Anglo-Franco while Marik is kind of Ancapistan?

>>23304567
Marik is more Austro-Hungarian Empire from my recognizances.

>>23303892
i never finished the story i always jumped into the carrer mode long long before any meaningful progress was made.

>>23303671

I liked their take on the Urbanmech; I printed and painted the UMR-90 SubUrbanmech.

>>23305532
Is that an Urbanmech LAM?

>>23305532
I really like that design. A lot of the niche japantech's are really fucking good.

>>23305532
it's like an Urbie mixed with the mascot robo for Dirty Pair or the guy from Metal Storm
very nice

>do campaign mission using a hero king crab
>quad AC/5 BF for maximum memes
>mechs drops on my front
>a fucking cyclops with AC/20
>scores multiple times on my right torso
>tons of shit medium mech mooks focus fire on it and explodes
>2 tier 3 AC/5 BF+ tier 3 1 LRM-15+ST gone
>no fucking replacement
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>23306247
Never invest too much into one mech anon.

>>23305822
There is a mini for that but this one isn't it.

>>23305843
>>23305844
The color scheme I used is based on the realization that the UMR-90 SubUrbanmech shares 3/5's of it's serial with the R-90 Ragnarok from R-Type III. Also, it glows in the dark.

>>23306308
Here's a slightly better picture of the thing, I really ought to get a proper digital camera.

>>23306308
I wasn't sure because there was the fighter thing with the same colors next to it. If I remember right, the Urbie LAM does have a similar weapon set to the SubUrbanmech

>>23305843
Kinda gives me Valken enemy vibes.

>>23306972
Makes sense, Miyatake and Kawamori/Studio Nue style versus a guy who is consciously imitating it.

That time that Sonoda did the art for three BT light novels.

>>23310383
Would be great to ask him if he ever played BattleTech or even any of the videogames.

>>23310454
I just cant find the appeal of the mad cat but the catapult is the coolest shit ever for me.

>>23311857
The Mad Cat MKII is super ungainly, but the OG Mad Cat as modeled by the original designer is 90's perfection.

NEED Ghost Bear Mommy Sister Harem

Do people really hate post Clan Invasion era? Never saw any notable videogame regarding that era.

>>23316246
mechwarrior 4 was pretty fun
no jihad era games to my knowledge tho :(

>>23316246
i like the low tech stuff more and not only for the ladies in cooling vests

>>23316246
Some folks definitely do, but it has more to do with the heyday of BT games being the 90s and the Clan Invasion was current events at the time, with MW4 and Mechassault covering post invasion but dropping right around the time everything ground to a halt outside of clickytech.

Luv me bushie, simpul as

>>23316246
CI and its aftermath was as mentioned elsewhere the then current event for the golden age of Battletech multimedia mania, so it's kinda the core of a lot of people's nostalgia for the franchise, especially the people who know only of Mechwarrior.

From a tabletop perspective it's an absolutely fucked time from what I've heard because unless you lean into the bit and do the entire clanner bidding process, at a materiel level you are fucked for playing anything but clan mechs, and I don't even know if the older rules implemented the Clan Rules Of Engagement at all to further bottleneck their ability to immediately curbstomp lances via the whole Rules Of Engagement system requiring you to adhere to clanner autism for the sake of honor points. This explains why you often have grognards who prefer Succ Wars instead, because at least during the Succ Wars you didn't have assholes who could outrange you and not even break a sweat doing it. Not that it really matters since it isn't like you had to spend money on your play pieces due to the rules being very flexible as to what can be used to represent a unit on tabletop, but when your fun game that you're playing with the boys while chugging beer and chewing pretzels is being undermined by the try hard with the space furry faction, it makes you a bit salty yknow?

>>23316253
There's MechAssault

>>23322049
FASA were never the smartest bunch when it seemed like they cloaked what could have just been a rule update to make weapons suck less into some shitty ass 90s comic style new faction.

>>23322049
I wish they make a video game post Tukayid to give denizens of IS some fighting chance, again with mercs as focus like in MW5. It'd be cash shitting on clanners, but as mercs.

>>23322550
Sadly MW2:Mercs is the closest we get to fighting Clanners as IS.
Damn shame. I do like MW5: Clans, but I think it'd be served well to update the base 5Mercs with a DLC to fight Clanners.

>>23322605
the gameplay felt nice-ish for the most part. my problem is the characters and the fucking yapping. i mean, damn, these people were bred and trained for this, and yet they start crying like little bitches when a small laser threatens to peel off the clear coat from longe range OR what pisses me off even more, they use the fucking coms as their personal fucking group chat. Do you know how fucking busy a frequenzy can get? Holy fuck stop talking do that in the chowhall or wherever. Also Pezes did nothing wrong these barbarians deserved it and more.

>>23322712
The Perez fuckup isn't ethical as far as the clans are concerned, especially SJ.
It's that it gave Wolf leverage to bid away Aerospace assets and SJ and others to save face have to too. Its all an honor pissing match for them.

>>23322712
Dude, even the Jags as a whole thought Turtle Bay was a supreme dick move.

>>23322712
Ghost Bears are MUCH more BEARable than smoke jaggers. They toed the FAMILY line just right to where it becomes sorta endearing

I love my boy

>>23325511
As long as you have watched at least one (1) episode of Crusher Joe, otherwise your love isn't true.

Would the clan invasion coming from the galactic "top" or "bottom" be better since Marik, Liao, Canopus and Taurian seems to be the least affected. It would be fun to see Clans face off with Liao tactics.

>>23328486
The Capellans were still licking their wounds from the 4th Succ War as I recall. FWL similarly buttfucked itself around the same time because they failed to read the room right. Clanners being clanners, notwithstanding the inefficiency of taking a long route to cut through the weakened "south" of the Inner Sphere, they'd also probably view the fight as without any real honor because they'd be kicking losing factions while they're still down.

From a storytelling perspective the FedCom, Combine and FRR were the major up and coming IS powers of the times (the 'Haugers especially, there's a sublime poeticness to their birth, death and rebirth) making them the most compelling factions to subject to the Invasion. They'd also pose the closest thing to a challenge to the Clans, in theory, so honor can be preserved even if most of the early engagements are incredibly one sided and have the IS forces not recognizing a unifying threat for what it is right off the bat.

All this to say, the Invasion is very clearly scripted around the idea of last season's winners getting their cheeks clapped by the new season villain.

>>23322793
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>>23323361
the thing is, the way of the clans is so pants on head retarded that even if perez didnt do what he did they would have used the ships as intimidation at most!

>>23299430
Clanner untermench

>>23328609
>They'd also pose the closest thing to a challenge to the Clans
Not even a little. The Wolves' invasion corridor through Rasalhague is assigned specifically as an insult because Rasalhague were going to be pushovers that wouldn't allow the Wolves to get any glory. From the get go, they were the designated jobbers.

>>23325986
the locust is in the movie for like 8 seconds

>>23338599
If not for a convenient seasonal super-flu to provide opportunity to the Wolves to capture Rasalhauge itself with minimal damages incurred, I'd say the Republic could've given the Clans a bloody eye at numerous points if the storyline ever permitted them to, being that they've known nothing but being under some other power's boot for their entire existence and what it would take to lash out in defiance. And by all accounts FASA does in fact do that, with Tyra's suicide run vacating the ilkhan position and screwing up the pace of the Invasion for a moment.

>>23338612
that's like Twice its expected Lifetime on the Battlefield!

>>23338929
Miraborg's death actually doing something is a total fluke and is the sole lasting influence of their whole state. They literally do nothing but get stomped.
>lash out in defiance
That's what they *did* try to do. They were a minimally armed buffer state equipped with some old Lyran and Combine cast offs fighting two of the most capable clans at the same time. They got stomped into dust and only lingered on because Foct decided to fight the trial over Terra on Tukayyid. They're a small, minor faction and idk why you're trying to make up some headcannon that they could've done better.