What are you watching and reading, /m/? Have you cleared anything out of your backlog recently?

>>23296139 (OP)
I'm pretty sure I have that video of Kai in a towel dancing somewhere
crazy to think we have /m/emories going back fifteen years plus
https://desuarchive.org/m/search/image/vGcgmMmzrAxmSu8JoE5SOw%3D%3D/page/15/

one of my favorite moments still is when Macross Frontier was live and we were watching on whatever was the bootleg of the time, think it was an mms feed and pre-keyhole (so it had over four frames per second lololol) and then the one character started talking about how they loved that other character while that thing was happening and we were all AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SHIIIIIIIIIIIT SOMEBODY GONNA FUKKIN DIE

currently reading baldr sky but i'm debating if i should backlog it and go to muramasa. i need some fucking kino soon.

>>23296139 (OP)
I decided to go through my backlog and just today started L-Gaim

I want to watch more older stuff and SRW 30 and Y convinced me on this.

>>23296284
enjoy having the second theme stuck in your head the rest of your life when checking email
not even sarcastically, it's really great when it happens and makes repetitive form emails much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s9uEEq6Xng

>>23296293
I can't so much as look at anything with "Mark Two" in its title without saying "Say Mark Twoooo"

Currently 20 episodes in 1978 harlock, really great stuff i gotta say, thinking about tackling the original Yamato series right afterwards and perhaps the reboot as well, I hear the final movie once had the honor of being the longest animated motion picture

>>23296139 (OP)
Watching Masterforce.

Reading Zeta vol. 2

>>23296327
Harlock is very good! I hope you enjoy it, anon. I've only seen the original series and the first movie, but I think it still holds up.

I finally read the entire Getter Robo manga, why did it have to end like that? Fuck this gay ass earth, Ishikawa deserved better.

>>23296327
I watched the whole Yamato series of classic movies and shows last year, and aside from the first season and the second movie, I didn't care for it at all. It gets progressively worse from that point on. Some of these days I need to watch the remakes, because from what I heard, it fixes some of the problem I have with the original. Harlock is a masterpiece, though. The only 'problem' I have with the series, is that I find the Arcadia's design to be kinda bland; I prefer the movie version.

Has anyone watched this? Is it any good?
The 2010s moeshit character designs put me off a bit.

>>23307241
It's very grounded. Although it has the oddity of an air force basically not existing. Aside from that, even the main mecha is actually rather limited in some ways (it's more agile than the others, but the lack of weight comes up as a negative later on).

It felt like they expected a 2nd season they never got but It doesn't end on a cliff hanger.

>>23296139 (OP)
I'm almost done with Macross Delta, and I'm in awe of how terrible this show ended up being. By far the worst entry in the series. It has nothing redeemable about it. Even the music, one of the main appeals of the franchise, is entirely forgettable. I'm going to watch the duology of movies next, in the hope that they managed to create something that's at least decent.

I ran out of a proper backlog back in late January, maybe the last two Keroro movies but otherwise I've seen what I wanted see, all of it. Might give Sayonara Jupiter a try. Maybe I'll finally watch that Legends of The Galactic Heroes 110 episode OVA everyone gushes on about back before covid. I don't know anymore. King-Ohger borders between mediocre and suck in its first 19 eps.

>>23296293
>>23296304
I fucking love Kaze no Reply. Time for L-Gaim is iconic but Mami Ayukawa also sang Yume Iro Chaser; Dragonar's 1st opening as well as Zeta Gundam's 1st opening Toki wo Koete.

I'm currently watching Laserion and Dorback. Early 80's anime really sheds light on how optimistic and forward-thinking Japan was when their economy was still strong.

Finished Concrete Revolutio season 1, wasn't feeling it mostly but it finally gripped me in the last 3 episodes.
Died laughing at the twist at the very end and now it has my rapt attention.

>>23308894
Huh, I also watched it recently and was surprised how solid it was after only hearing appraisals like yours over the years. Certainly the worst of the 20+ episode series but some of the shorter Macross stuff was decidedly worse. I think maybe 2-3 of the songs stood out above the rest

>>23311607
I think Macross II was less interesting, more underdeveloped, and derivative, but at least it was mercifully short. And while Macross 7 is overly long and repetitive, it was still dumb fun, and the soundtrack was amazing. Delta, though, has nothing to show for itself. It has a bad, thin script that’s stretched to a comical degree, with practically every single element being dull. It feels like a calculated product made in an attempt to recapture Frontier's popularity.

>>23307250
There's a few off hand remarks about how the planet had a Geomagnetic reversal that killed all air travel.

Basically I just started being a Getter Robo fan just now, HEATS is probably the best song ever made.

Finishing up the Guyver OVA. A bit frustrating how even subs for older things will go by the English dub or just be otherwise completely wrong sometimes. Any other shows with similar lonely themes of being the sole and thankless protector against overwhelming evil? Bonus if a supporting character realizes this.

>>23308894
>in the hope that they managed to create something that's at least decent.
Well, I watched the first movie, and it was atrocious. Definitely Macross's lowest point. The characters are even more one-dimensional, their relationships even more shallow, the plot is just as nonsensical (there's no saving Delta's script), but thanks to the terrible editing, it feels even more confusing, AND they doubled down on the show's already annoying habit of stopping the story in its tracks to plug songs. The movie is essentially a musical, and a really shitty one. I really, really hope they scale down the scope for the next entry. Delta has way too many characters (most of whom are pointless) and its concepts are drifting into pure fantasy.

>>23320686
>Definitely Macross's lowest point.
You’re adorable.

>>23296139 (OP)
Blue Submarine no 6 and Super Robot Wars J

>>23320787
I haven’t watched the second Delta movie, so maybe that one is worse, but as of now, I can’t think of another Macross show or movie that’s worse than this trash. It’s a two-hour mess cobbled together by the magic of poor editing, using scenes from a show that was already bad to begin with, accompanied by a never-ending stream of terrible idol songs. It doesn’t even have a single good set piece or memorable moment. All the fights suck too.

>>23320814
>Blue Submarine no 6
I love the setting of that series a lot.

>>23320951
I love anime set by the ocean or nautical stuff so much. I just watched Brain Powerd before this and loved Gargantia and Nadia years ago. I wish there were more.

>>23320944
People have been saying Macross was at its lowest point since 2 came out. You’re a child.

Wanting to watch VOTOMS if any has any recs on places to torrent or stream it.

Playing retro /m/ games. Just started pic rel. Really enjoying the control scheme so far, the mechs are generic and I'm not far enough in to know how I feel about the story yet.
I also just picked up a copy of Heavy Gear but haven't touched it.

>>23296139 (OP)
Picked up a bilingual set of Devilman a few months ago and saw HnG finished Violence Jack last week so planning to read one then the other.

I'm pretty new to /m/ myself and getting the big names out of my list so I can get some "fundamentals". Currently reading the Getter Robo manga and plan to watch Armageddon afterwards, then do some Mazinger. Don't know whether I should go with manga or anime for that

>>23325957
New Getter Robo follows a lot of themes and plotpoints of the original manga, so you might enjoy that also. Shin Getter Robo vs Neo Getter Robo is short fun, Armageddon is of course mandatory.
>Mazinger
Mazinkaiser's a good 7-episode summary of the Mazinger experience, however the 92-episode Toei cartoon is still my favourite. The show respects you and the characters enough for there to be continuity and growing risks and dangers. Shin Mazinger Zero is a hot-blooded and hopeful manga that really rewards you for your familiarity to the Mazinger franchise as well as Go Nagai's works as a whole, but you'd really have to give it a chance after it feels like an edgy grimdark that I somehow tricked you into reading. There's some giant debate about the Mazinger mangas that I neither understand nor will/can I get into, but it should be pretty short anyway. An anon also translated the Gosaku Ota manga recently. The trilogy has continuity within it but Great only has a French translation so far, but we finally have the one for Z.
Mazinkaiser SKL is an OVA taking place in the middle of its story, Mazinkaiser has a movie as well that may or may not be in the same continuity as the regular OVA, but I don't like it as much because you're getting progressively sadder and sadder while just waiting for Mazinger to show up. I somehow forgot about Shin Mazinger, it's by the same director who did Armageddon as well as G Gundam. Shin Great never ever, but it's also a good Mazinger story. You're of course rewarded for a better understanding of Mazinger and Go Nagai, but this isn't mandatory. You should at least know what the premise of Z and Great is though, and the first episode covers the final battle, so it's alright if you're extremely confused at the start (or skip it?). Toei, OVA, Zero, and Shin are all great imo.

>>23325307
Interesting TL

>>23326040
Thanks for the info Anon, I think what I'll do is check out Mazinkaiser and leave the Toei series for another time given its length. I have a vague idea of Z from cultural osmosis and all that, but I'll try to get a taste of the original Z>Great>Grendizer run even if it's the manga (I didn't even know there were two, only knew of Nagai's). I know some French so at least that's a crutch I have if push comes to shove, lol.

>>23325957
>so I can get some "fundamentals"
You really shouldn't feel obligated to do that
/m/ anime aren't quite as derivative as you assume; for example, a whole lot of directors cite Tetsujin as an influence since it's the first real giant robot anime, but there are almost no non-Tetsujin anime that actually feel like Tetsujin

Mazinger and Getter did inspire a lot of knock-offs and started a big boom over MotW 70s mecha shows pushing chogokin figures of their title robot, but even a lot of those are very distinct. Shows like Daitarn, Zambot, Daikengo and Daltanious aren't really anything like Mazinger/Getter or only have superficial similarities

Even Gundam is more influential for what it did for the toy market than what it did for how shows are written. The only non-Gundam shows out there that feel a lot like Gundam are Dougram and Dragonar (and I guess Code Geass if viewed a certain way, but obviously that show is its own beast in most other ways). Ditto with Transformers, just a massive franchise, but in terms of similar shows, all you really got are the Brave series and Machine Robo, and for Macross, all you got is other stuff directed by Kawamori (and Macross isn't even consistent with itself; every entry feels very different)

So don't be too concerned with looking for history or whatever. Just watch what you think sounds cool

>>23328387
Yeah, that's not a bad way to go about it. I think I went with Mazinkaiser, SKL, Shin, Zero, Infinity, and then Toei, then reread Zero and rewatched Infinity. From what I recall of the Go Nagai manga, Mazinger and Great are rather bare-bones, although it's short and inoffensive enough of a read. I'd say if you hate Kaiser, Shin, and your experience with any older Toei cartoon (even Getter Robo would be a good example, I wish I could give you my appraisal of it but I haven't seen it outside of the 7 or so episodes almost two decades ago, although I'm sure it can't differ that much in quality next to Z and Great.), then you will not like Toei Mazinger. But it's very difficult to imagine that anyone would hate all of these, I mean moreso that they give you some representations of Toeizinger, either the plotpoints or the feeling of it.
This >>23328485 is generally good advice, you can just rewatch or reread things to catch the influences that older (and most likely longer) anime have had on them. The only other mention is that WITHIN a franchise or universe, it's almost always best to just go by production order. I can't really think of any exceptions other than possibly watching one or two Votoms OVAs taking place between some episodes, watching 08th MS Team after the other OVAs, and I'm going to hard-disagree on Do You Remember Love preceding a watch of the original Macross. But for big franchises with disconnected entries like Mazinger and Getter, it's probably unfair for them to be expecting you to have watched the 50-year old material, although you'd certainly be rewarded.
I really cannot wait for you to get to Shin Mazinger Zero however.

>>23328787
>WITHIN a franchise or universe, it's almost always best to just go by production order
I detest this mindset. Watch orders are stupid. Just watch what you want.
The only /m/ franchise that has such heavy continuity that watch order actually matters is Fafner. Apart from that, you're doing what, hunting for self-indulgent easter eggs? Who cares? I can't think of a single time in which my enjoyment of a show was significantly affected by me catching references to a prior show
At most you get stuff like Max and Millia becoming actually interesting and complex characters in Macross 7, but even that's not major enough for it to have changed my opinion about the show

>>23330172
Literally why wouldn't you start from the first show unless it's somehow such adulterated dogshit that somehow also spawned a franchise
>I can't think of a single time in which my enjoyment of a show was significantly affected by me catching references to a prior show
What about your understanding of the things the creators actually expect you to understand because they're building on prior plotpoints or themes? I'm sure they can be caught in a rewatch but why not just watch it the way it's intended?
>Just watch what you want.
Ok and what order is that, if you want to watch a few episodes of something without actually watching the show, and somehow you have some standalone 3-7 episode OVA that does the job, great, you're hooked and you can start watching the original show. Otherwise what what conceivable benefit is there for you to ignore production order in anything with an actual continuity?
>cites original Macross characters in 7 without Minmay
Do you consider recurring themes and plotpoints as "self-indulgent easter eggs" or are you a speedwatcher? Hint: anything faster than the original speed is speedwatching. I should have started with this question.

>>23330225
>Literally why wouldn't you start from the first show
because it isn't subbed, you're not personally interested in it, or it bears no relevance to later entries as is so often the case.

>What about your understanding of the things the creators actually expect you to understand because they're building on prior plotpoints or themes?
I doubt you can even name a franchise where this actually occurs. I can't, except for Fafner, as I said. No one's missing out on anything by watching Beast Wars before G1, 00 before 0079, Kotetsushin Jeeg before the original, Gaogaigar before Exkaiser, Frontier before SDF, Kyoryuger before Goranger, Zoids Wild Zero before the original, etc
Even if you can think of something, good luck proving that this somehow affects the entertainment value of the show

>Do you consider recurring themes and plotpoints as "self-indulgent easter eggs"
Yes because it's pretty much always done in an extremely shallow way if they even bother trying. Almost every long running franchise makes the assumption that any entry could be the viewer's first entry such that even works meant as direct sequels don't reference the events of prior works in any meaningful capacity.

>>23330828
>you're not personally interested in it
Zoomer attention span or lack thereof, ask questions and watch clips or watch the show itself if you can't get an answer of whether or not you'll enjoy a show over 13 episodes long without watching the show.
>or it bears no relevance to later entries as is so often the case.
How would you know this
>it isn't subbed
Fair
>Beast Wars before G1
That's fine, but not Beast Machines before Beast Wars
>00 before 0079, GaoGaiGar before Exkaiser
Not the same continuity
>Kotetsushin Jeeg before the original
Some remakes are meant to be accessible and Kotetsushin Jeeg changed up some things
>good luck proving that this somehow affects the entertainment value of the show
If your metric is entertainment without actually understanding it, then you may as well watch CCA as your first Gundam entry
>always done in an extremely shallow way
Do you just miss subtle repetition and callbacks when watching the show
>Almost every long running franchise makes the assumption that any entry could be the viewer's first entry
I understand that, but there's instances where you're going to be rather robbed of a lot of the intended experience. I'll grant that some 13-episode show airing 400 years after the original is meant to catch new viewers and get them to watch the prior shows, but generally these shows have stopped being aired, and there's merit in people at least strongly recommending production order. You're allowed to deviate and ultimately do what you want, and anons are allowed to make their own judgments, but there's a reason for the strong recommendation as well, and there doesn't seem to be any good or substantive reasons to ignore production order unless it's out of sheer reluctance or a short attention span. Having been like that myself, I'd now recommend production order as a general rule for whatever anon picks up with an ongoing continuity. Note how I never said that all human beings should start with Toeizinger's 92 episodes.

>>23296139 (OP)
I just finished reading MSG The Origin and man, while I like some of the changes and additions (like white base having a bunch of grunt suits on board at all times instead of just the 3 prototypes + support craft), some of them are just DUM, like the REAL Char Aznable

Just finished Da Garn. As far as the Brave series goes, I just have Might Gaine and Dagwon left.
I'd say that Da Garn would be my third favorite (with J-Decker being my favorite and GaoGaiGar being a close second to that). I do wish it had more of an epilogue, but I'm overall satisfied with it. It's not as open ended as Goldran's ending at least though that was fun in its own way.

>>23331549
>I'd say that Da Garn would be my third favorite (with J-Decker being my favorite and GaoGaiGar being a close second to that).
This, except Goldran's cast and ending outweighed J-Decker's last arc and GaoGaiGar FINAL's ending. Although I don't really expect many other people to put Goldran as their first choice. Dagwon is I think about equal to Da Garn for me I think, how did you find Exkaiser and FIghbird?

>>23331302
>Zoomer attention span or lack thereof
what are you even talking about
Just reading the premise I know I don't have any particular interest in the original Gundam. I didn't let that stop me from watching Sangokuden. Why should it stop anyone else?

>but not Beast Machines before Beast Wars
you would probably enjoy Beast Machines much more if you watch it before Beast Wars actually. I think I might have.

>Not the same continuity
That's not really relevant if you consider thematics just as important as continuity.

>without actually understanding it
You are overcomplicating childrens' cartoons. Once again, can you even name something where you thought, "wow I wouldn't have understood this at all if I hadn't seen the prior entry in the series."?

>a lot of that intended experience
the intended experience of the vast majority of mecha shows is for you to see a cool robot do action things and buy products of it. These are not elaborate, carefully planned universes with deep narratives where you need to be paying attention to every single second

>but there's a reason for the strong recommendation
yeah, I think it comes down to gatekeeping and elitism honestly, /m/ wanting to scare away newfags who aren't willing to watch 100 hundreds of episodes of oldass 70s shows. I don't disagree with this practice, but I prefer a little more honesty.

>>23331580
I'd say that Exkaiser and Fighbird are overall pretty meh with the latter being somewhat better. They both have their good points like Exkaiser's main boss and Fighbird's villain gimmick being closer to "mass genocide of the week" than MotW, so I'd say I enjoyed them more than I found them bad. I personally wouldn't really recommend them, but I don't regret watching through them either.

>>23331596
>Sangokuden.
Within the same continuity
>if you consider thematics just as important as continuity.
Within the same continuity
>enjoy Beast Machines much more if you watch it before Beast Wars
Because it does horrible things to the characters, yes
>"wow I wouldn't have understood this at all if I hadn't seen the prior entry in the series."?
>what is CCA, Lelouch of the Re;surrection, End of Evangelion
Certain choices are honestly brain-dead takes where you leave with little to nothing because you were so scared of investing a pittance of time on something you might happen to enjoy.
>the vast majority of mecha shows is for you to see a cool robot do action things and buy products of it.
Ok
>not elaborate, carefully planned universes with deep narratives where you need to be paying attention to every single second
And then we get speedwatchers asking questions about things they weren't paying attention to. There's lighter shows where you can do this, but if you wander here for anything for actual continuity and want to have a discussion about the actual plot, but also not pay attention and also pick only the shortest and exciting moments, they should either lurk more or get laughed out.
>scare away newfags who aren't willing to watch 100 hundreds of episodes of oldass 70s shows
The LITERAL newfags need to learn to grow out of the mindset that longer episodes and older shows are bad. I came out of that and I still literally recommended the shortest OVAs/shows before recommending an understandably daunting 92 episodes.
>I don't disagree with this practice, but I prefer a little more honesty.
Then aren't you wasting my fucking time by taking issue with me giving extremely general advice of going by production order WITHIN my fucking reply AGREEING to >>23328485 saying
>So don't be too concerned with looking for history or whatever. Just watch what you think sounds cool
if we're both agreeing about the same fucking practice? At what speed do you watch anime?

>>23331599
>mass genocide of the week
I stopped partway during "mass pilfering of the week", so this is bit of whiplash. Exkaiser was inoffensive but yeah, a bit of a downgrade compared to the later Braves, even though it's about on par with Transformers Victory (this is a compliment)

>>23331856
>>what is CCA, Lelouch of the Re;surrection, End of Evangelion
the only one of these I've seen is EoE, no plans to watch the others because I don't really care
I disagree that EoE needs the context of the show it's a sequel to because frankly EoE spells out the plot of the TV show better than the TV show itself
Incidentally I do know the other two from SRW and both seem so removed from the context of what they are sequels to that I really doubt you'd have any problem watching them first either.

>And then we get speedwatchers asking questions about things they weren't paying attention to. There's lighter shows where you can do this, but if you wander here for anything for actual continuity and want to have a discussion about the actual plot, but also not pay attention and also pick only the shortest and exciting moments, they should either lurk more or get laughed out.
what does any of this have to do with the topic of production order


>if we're both agreeing about the same fucking practice?
we're agreeing on the validity of gatekeeping but disagreeing on the validity of watch orders. Frankly so many newfags want to come in here and be spoonfed a watch order that telling someone to fuck off and develop their own taste is probably even more effective at gatekeeping than just saying production order. And I feel that's what people should do instead of going through watch orders and treating shows like homework

>>23326096
Started Jack, so far so good

>>23331942
>the only one of these I've seen is EoE
>I disagree that EoE needs the context of the show
Insane
>what does any of this have to do with the topic of production order
Because you brought up elitism and newfags
>outright telling people to fuck off is less elitist than giving a general recommendation they can more or less rely on for the rest of their lives rather than asking that question ever again
At this point it feels like arguing for the sake of arguing, with some bizarre take like
>I disagree that EoE needs the context of the show
I don't care about your opinion or anything else you have to say anymore

>>23325957
I finished the Getter manga earlier today. RIP my man Musashi, at least he went out with a literal bang. He was a real one.. Liked it, going to read Go and Shin now. Armageddon can wait.
I also seem to have indirectly caused an argument AND thread derailment due to a my choice of words. Not going to get into it, but whoops.

>>23332046
Yeah, Musashi... yeah. Yeah, it's pretty sad.
The manga is one that really picks up and goes crazy weird after the original and G. You probably have enough information to start Shin Getter vs Neo Getter, but probably be taken aback by the sort of things that are a bit more common in things after Go and Shin. I'm actually really interested in what you'll think about the Arc anime, because I missed it when it was airing. Don't expect much from it other than it just showing you some of the Arc characters and moments with audio and movement.

24 eps into King-Ohger a dnd it's so slowly paced it's not funny.

I finished Mobile Fighter G Gundam recently, then I watched Getter Armageddon, and I am currently on episode 4 of 0079 Gundam, I've hardly watched anything outside of that, but I would like to watch King Of Braves after I watch 0079

I started Die Neue These last weekend, having had no prior experience with LoGH. I liked it so much that I've started reading the English translation of the first book, and I'm legitimately amazed by how much worldbuilding and thought went into it. I was expecting yet another trash wish-fulfillment/harem light novel but this is real sci-fi.

Also surprised how much I love Yang Wen-li. I usually end up liking the villains in these sorts of things and I remember seeing reinhardt memes everywhere when i (regrettably) was a regular on /pol/ a long time ago so I came into it expecting some sort of edgy-boi villain protagonist story but Yang has such a strong ethos I can't help but fall in love with him. He's not "just like me frfr" but rather he's the man I wish I could be: confident, aloof, and righteous. Very few anime characters have so much philosophy baked into their character as Yang Wen-Li.

>>23296139 (OP)
i am watching zabonguru