>fair peace treaty being negotiated
>WAIT THEYRE ALMOST BEAT SEND MORE MEN INTO THE MEAT GRINDER
He killed billions

>>23325145 (OP)
He was right.

>>23325145 (OP)
>He killed billions
The vast majority of casualties in the OYW, especially civilian, were all before the Antarctic treaty and almost exclusively perpetrated by Zeon. Promising not to nuke Side 3 to oblivion was a mercy

For the life of me I'll never understand why zeon agreed to the gimped Antarctic treaty

>>23325145 (OP)
>Another jewish trickery where they put the blame of their genocide to their victim because they dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor like the cuckold white men.
This is so tiring.chinamanjpg

>>23325217
Get the fuck off /m/.

>>23325145 (OP)
Sometimes they have to fight it out.

>>23325145 (OP)

>>23325212
the feds had more nukes than Zeon had colonies

>>23325165
>>23325303
The federation wasn't merciful, they were weak. They should have been spamming nukes. Their inaction cost billions of lives. They should have been sending stealth ships with nukes to erase zeon off the face of the planet during the first week

>>23325303
That's great, but in order to make that matter you have to be able to deploy nukes to side 3. The EFSF aren't close to side 3 in January, and given the state of the EFSF after loum, they weren't getting close to there for a long time. If they could have nuked side 3 they should have done it during the One Week Battle. The only logical choice here is for Zeon to get more war crime happy, not less. Mobile suits and nukes should have been flying to side 7/Luna ii the second the Federation wanted to change their capitulation to arms limitation. The federation was always going to win any drawn out war because of its vastly superior industrial capacity and population. WMDs are the only thing zeon has to counter that. The whole Antarctic treaty only serves to buy the federation time and make zeon fight with an arm tied behind its back.

>>23325145 (OP)
>fair
>total subjugation under a genocidal autocracy with delusions of racial superiority
Yeah, I'm not buying Zeon having any moral high ground.

>>23325217
go back to pol faggot

>>23325269
>>23325616
Post nose.

>>23325145 (OP)
He was right thoughbeit

>>23325145 (OP)
>>23325324
Their intelligence was pretty negligent to not foresee the assassination of Deikun or ignore the Zabis for as long as they did. From a modern perspective, they were ignored way too long.

>>23326052
You need to remember that the Federation's Big Gun-Big Ship hasn't failed them until U.C. 0079. Zeon destroyed that with Minosky Particles making all Federation radars systems worthless. The intel of Federation showed them Zeon was making Mobile Suits for war instead of building more Big Ships with their budget which is an extremely stupid thing at that time. The Federation thought that the Zabis are insane dumbass but that is logical at the time. The tactic of scattering Minosky Particles changes how war was fought and agile humanoid tank aka Mobile Suits thrives.

>>23325616
>>23325269

>>23325145 (OP)
That's not a photo of Zelensky

>>23325145 (OP)
>Another jewish trickery where they put the blame of their genocide to their victim because they dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor.
Man, they always outed themselves do they?

>Another jewish trick where they throw the blame to their genocide victims because their victims dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor.

>It's another episode of jewish trickery where they put the blame on their genocide victims because their victims dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor.
How sad.

>>23325145 (OP)
>It's another episode of jewish trickery where they put the blame on their genocide victims because their victims dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor.
Damn, the jewish privilege is real.

>>23325145 (OP)
>It's another episode of jewish trickery where they put the blame on their genocide victims because their victims dare to resist instead of just letting themselves to be attacked by their aggressor.
Damn, the jewish privilege is real.

Seems like the tranny janny has stopped doing his job since he has to take refuge in a bunker.

>>23325145 (OP)

Zeon killed billions on week 1

this is Zeonist Hasbara

>>23325145 (OP)
They were all about to pull a Neville Chamberlain. Zeon would have built it's forces back up and did colony 2 jaburo boogaloo

>>23325145 (OP)
>>23325165
from a far meta perspective where series timelines fork and change all the time, how would we know that any of the majority of colony gassings were ever actually perpetrated by Zeon versus the Federation doing it late in the OYW themselves even before the Titans existed to clean up the newly Zeek sympathizing populations created from the occupied pro-Fed colonies, like how the French despised the occupying Anglo-Americans and even Free French for disrupting the peace of Vichy even if they didn't like the krauts? what if the zeeks really did use knockout gas and the information we have is Federation propaganda?

>>23332850
>Using knockout gas
>When dropping the entire colonies, with their populations still inside of them, onto Earth
We have every reason to believe that Zeon did use lethal nerve gas against the colonies.

>>23333111
you know, on that point it's really strange they went out of their way to not select the one structurally complete and 100% undamaged yet sparsely populated, easily evacuated, totally isolated colony cylinder from an Island that hadn't really formed yet other than that one cylinder, which also happened to eventually contain the Earth Federation's nascent Mobile Suit program, and also that the drop happened to completely miss Jaburo and instead craters Australia, which totally coincidentally implicilty hated the Federation so much already that they not only forgive the zeeks for doing it but turn into hardcore collaborateurs long into the postwar after just a hair of relief effort made

not only do I think they had advance warning, I think the Colony Drop was a tainted inside job by feddy collaborators. You'll look inside the Space Attack Forces' colony remote steerage team and find a funny goggled man named Ask Bom with a nebulous history of EF intelligence service sitting in seat 9:11 of his group- definitely unrelated to later Titans brass Bask Om- historically noted for screaming "WANNA SEE HOW HARD I CAN SWERVE THIS BITCH" moments before the catastrophic mid-reentry fragmentation turns a dissident bogan Sydney into an inland sea

>>23332850
>>23333111
>>23333129
tsk tsk nobody's ever gotten footage from the inside of a colony before so QED you can't prove it wasn't the martians

cima's PTSD is just a false flag operation designed to get you to hate the federation

>>23333140
>postwar reconstruction footage, dramatization, (proto)-Titans after-action footage with the serials filed off and the actual events classified for the next 100+ years
>"dis zeek 105mm MG launched rifle grenade was used by inhuman Zabis ta kill SIX BILLION SPACENOID UNDESIRABLES, dat we coincidentally needed t' get rid of to ship more low classers off of Country Club Earth and inta politically disenfranchised bug eater space colonies, don't you evah fuhget"
>fine print note in the exhibit: this specific Zaku I gas grenade never actually contained G3 nerve agent and was used to dispense sleeping gas for riot control
I don't know man, I'm not a Gihrenist or anything but does this really add up?

>>23325145 (OP)
>Revil: ZEON IS EXHAUSTED! I saw it with my own eyes! DON'T SIGN THAT TREATY!

>Zeon invades Earth with 200 million troops and takes over half the planet.

Kek

>>23325324
>They should have been spamming nukes.
1. Who says they didn't?

They specifically put "no nukes" in the Antarctic Treaty which implies nukes were being used before the Treaty was signed.


2. Zeon had nukes too.


>stealth ships
No such thing in Gundam. And if they did exist, Zeon would have them since Zeon was mroe technically advanced.

>>23333167
The battle of Loum is the ultimate battle of the federation space force. It takes all they have and even when using WMD, they lost hard against Zeon. The federation can't reach side 3 without mobile suits so they begin to buy time until they have tech to begin the counter offensive.

>>23333263
The Federation can't reach Side 3 without weapons of mass destruction like the Solar System Mega laser. Without that weapon, it's extremely doubtful that the Federation could have broken Solomon, even if the Federation used mobile suits.

Especially with the Big Zam and Dolos carrier stationed there. Remember that Solomon was filled to the brim with hardcore veterans of Zeon's military and mobile suit force. And the Solar Federation Solar Ray destroyed like 70% of them in one blast.

Erdogan is a Turkish Trump. He's always ready to shit-talk everybody, but will always play ball when asked.

>>23333263
Loum was a draw due to the entire Side being destroyed. The EF prevented Zeon from dropping another colony but it came at a huge cost.

Operation British was an act of self-defense.

>>23325145 (OP)
Nah, leaving Zeon alive as a state would have only ensured a pause to hostilities likely leading to an even more devastating conflict with them within the next decade or so.

>>23336078
that's right, instead we had...
>checks notes
an even more devastating conflict with them within the next decade or so and the feddies decide to try out warcriming them during the interim...?

>>23333162
this only proves revil's point, Zeon HAD TO invade Earth (which they knew was untennable) to prolong the war and resupply themselves.

>>23336113
No it doesn't. It's literally the opposite of what Revil was talking about. Revil was referring to manpower. He saw a couple of young jailguards and thought Zeon had no manpower. And in the origin version he just made stuff up because he didn't want to surrender.

>>23336086
I don't think any of the conflicts downstream of the OYW even approach the apocalyptic loss of life, do they?

>>23336113
Why would Zeon NEED to invade Earth when they have endless asteroids they could mine for resources? It's clear they invaded Earth because it was the only way to destroy Jaburo since the Treaty banned Colony drops.

>>23336183
Maybe if we combine ZZ Gundam and CCA. Since that's 1 Colony drop + 1 small Asteroid drop + 1 potential huge Asteroid drop.

>>23337527
ZZ's colony drop even without supplemental materials was way less devastating

>>23337535
Huh? It's a Colony drop. All Colony drops are devastating.

How come Zeon can mass produce mobile suits but not make 1 nuke?

>>23325145 (OP)
Zeon deserves to lose because these spacenoiggers can't properly calculate the colony drop, hitting Australia instead of Jaburo.

>>23337617
The republic of Zeon probably had the last nukes Zeon had left.

Zeon has the right to defend itself

>>23325212
Because zeon lost. Earth could fight for countless years even without gundams.
>>23333129
I reported you to Titans.
Enjoy jail, zeon scum.
>>23333162
>Zeon invades Earth with 200 million
and zeon lost hard.
>>23337664
Average Zeon follower IQ is 60.

>>23339292
>and zeon lost hard.
Oh please. The EF was left a broken and bloody mess. They barely won.

>>23339295
you know it is possible for both sides to come out of a war in bad shape, right?

get yourself checked to a mental health facility, you aren't even simping for pussy which is understandable, this is just a fictional nation

>>23339292
>zeon lost hard
Not really. The Zabi leaders of Zeon killed eachother. But Zeon had enough resources and manpower to keep fighting. This is proven by 2 additional wars that Zeon fought afterwards.

>>23340001
they had years of resting in between

this is like complaining that the federation had enough resources and manpower to get nuked in 0083, kill itself in a civil war in 0087, and still win the two wars that zeon started against it

>>23339267
Side 2 is two weeks away from developing mobile suits

>>23340035
Titan was using 3G towers to give Spacenoids Space AIDS before it was cool.

>>23340054
My tax dollars sure built some cool shit

>>23340001
>This is proven by 2 additional wars that Zeon fought afterwards.
It's really just one war. Char's second Neo Zeon War is glorified terrorism.

>>23340031
>and still win the two wars that zeon started against it
This is the complete wrong conclusion about the first neo zeon war. The Federation capitulated to Haman and Neo Zeon. Neo Zeon litterally won the first Neo Zeon war and the Federation ceded side 3 (which was the nominally independent Republic of Zeon) to Haman and Neo Zeon. It's a total Neo Zeon victory. Some AEUG forces decide to continue fighting. Unfortunately, these triumphant Zekes do the most Zeke thing possible and immediately kill each other in a civil war started by Glemy. Neo Zeon's leadership and government immediately collapses. The AEUG/Federation pick up the pieces reestablishing the pseudo independent Republic of Zeon which lasted till UC 100.
Neo Zeon fucked Neo Zeon.

>>23341148
>Neo Zeon litterally won the first Neo Zeon war and the Federation ceded side 3 (which was the nominally independent Republic of Zeon) to Haman and Neo Zeon. It's a total Neo Zeon victory.

This doesn't make any sense. Neo Zeon is already taking what they are owed.

>Some AEUG forces decide to continue fighting.

This doesn't make sense. The AEUG and Captain Bright promised to give Side 3 to Haman and Neo Zeon, if Neo Zeon helped the AEUG fight the Titans. This was literally a scene in Zeta Gundam. The AEUG said it was worth the price if they could beat the Titans.

Then Bright and the AEUG backstab Neo Zeon and go back on their promise during ZZ Gundam. Ridiculous

>>23325145 (OP)
>guise just surrender to the literal space Nazis, it'll save lives
What a cucked mentality, fitting for a Zeek.

>>23336121
>He saw a couple of young jailguards
Revil is a giant retard if he thinks the average enlisted dipshit isn’t between the ages of 18-22

>>23341425
That may be true, but maybe that's not all he saw. For example, a 1SG shouldn't be younger than 30, but in the OYW, they are. Similarly guys like Char make the rank of Captain, and the fucker is 23. Revil was right. Zeon is exhausted.

>>23336113
Well Revil would have a point after a prolonged war. But iirc he was captured by Zeon pretty early in the war and only escaped much later.

Part of me wonders if this was done intentionally by Zeon

>>23341455
Correction: the fucker is 20.

>>23341382
Were there any materials that explains what the original Antarctic Treaty entail beside it changing from a negotiation of surrender (?) into a wartime treaty?

>>23341476
>Part of me wonders if this was done intentionally by Zeon
This was what basically happened in Origin that Zeon helped "set up" Revil's escape

>>23341382
To most people, it's just a change in government. Zeon still treats their common citizens very well. Side 3 was untouched by war and their citizens didn't suffer from hunger or any loss of resources. In fact, most Zeon citizens had no idea the war was going so badly.

>>23325324
>Their inaction cost billions of lives.
To save millions we need to kill billions!

>>23325145 (OP)
Billions were dead when he got there.

>>23341455
>>23341476
You could make the point that it's not just simple exhaustion, it's being overstretched from the outset. Even with the advantages of initiating the war on their own terms and having the force multiplier of a well developed mobile suit program, they likely start the war with much more of their population mobilised than the peacetime EFF has of the Earth Federation's population. 'Exhausted' might be overselling it a bit but he's totally right about Zeon simply not being able to sustain a war the same way the EF could. Zeon's constant focus on big, knockout blows and force-multiplying technology programs reflects it, too.
>>23341599
We're very deliberately shown things like how they evacuate the colony for the colony laser as essentially being an act of violence against their own people. Even before you get into stuff like later lore locking down what Operation British was, the only reason anything's 'nice' on the home front is because the war just hasn't gotten there yet. First World War era Germany is probably a good point of comparison. Postwar politics was heavily skewed by the lived experience of the average German person not at all aligning with the reality of the dire strategic situation the country was in by the end of the war. The land being turned into a hellscape wasn't German and peace came before the lines inevitably shifted that way. Had the war continued, the home front situation for both governments would have become significantly more dire and between the colony laser and emphasis put on the youngest already being forced into frontline combat at ABQ, it seems things had already started moving that way.

>>23339292
>BAD NOID, I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE TITANS
yes yes that's a good earthnoid, we can't have Contolists spreading disinformation against Our Federation like Newtype theory or the notion that we're secretly behind all of these post-Zeon militant movements that serve as a badjacketing specter to any and all opposition to the Earth establishment yet never achieve any long term goals but periodically kill millions and billions of ordinary Spacenoids and Earthnoids to the benefit of absolutely no one except the Federation military-industrial complex that grows more bloated and black project compartmentalized every single time

unrelatedly, you didn't happen to actually read any of said disinformation, did you? relatedly, please ignore the G3 can and breathe deeply, we're fumigating you see, perfectly safe