>Og Gundam: people can use newtype powers to predict the future and know how something works
>Gundam Zeta: people can use newtype powers to enhance the MS performance
>Gundam ZZ: same as gundam Zeta
>Gundam CCA: people can use their peak newtype powers to push back an asteroid, at the expense of their own lives.


Until here newtype powers were pretty tame.


>Gundam Unicorn: people can use newtype powers to travel back in time
>Gundam Gquuuuuux: people can use newtype powers to travel between worlds

>ass raping the laws of physics is pretty tame

>>23326787 (OP)
>Gundam CCA: people can use their peak newtype powers to push back an asteroid, at the expense of their own lives.

How can you misinterpret the Axis Shock that badly?

And people have the gall to claim Universal Century is more grounded than Cosmic Era.

>>23326843
Unicorn's apotheosis is infinitely more grounded than fucking N-Jammers.
That's how fucking batshit stupid Cosmic Era is.

>>23326787 (OP)
>Gundam Zeta: people can use newtype powers to enhance the MS performance
And throw ghosts at each other and put people in comas

>>23326787 (OP)
way to out yourself as autistic, anon. complete disregard for the emotional

>>23326787 (OP)
fake fan, you never liked gundam

>>23326787 (OP)
I don't know ZZ had someone bullshit.

>>23326787 (OP)
Zeta ruined everything. Truly dogshit show.

>>23326867
Mashymre could also create magic barriers to reflect beams and blew himself up in a magical psychic explosion

I don't really care about the details. I just fucking hate multiverse writing. Stop writing every franchise into a big mixed blend of shit.

>>23326797
Nah the Axis Shock caused the disappearance of Char and Amuro that's where Newtype bullshit jump the shark

>>23326848
>human will being able to generate matter from nothing and travel through time? Yeah that makes sense
>a sci-fi device that generates a field that impedes free neutrons, thus preventing nuclear fission? That’s CRAZY!!
Lol

>>23326894
You're over 20 years too late to bitch about multiverse in Gundam. This concept didn't start with MCU/DCU slop.

>>23326918
Turn A is explicitly not a multiverse

Why are minovsky particles intrinsically linked to newtypes now?

>>23326787 (OP)
This tells me you never watched Victory Gundam.

>>23326922
>Has G Gundam, Seed and Gundam Wing in it
Ok anon.

>>23326960
nta but it's not the modern multiverse slop trope.

>>23326966
OK, now actually use real words to explain to the audience the problem that content creators are telling you to get upset with.

>>23326960
It's more like eternal recurrence, one AU after the other

>>23326966
So, it all boils down to, I hate it because it's now popular. Yes, GQuuux is bad, but the idea of a multiverse in Gundam isn't a new thing.

That's basically Extreme vs in a nutshell.

>>23326787 (OP)
>Gundam Zeta: people can use newtype powers to enhance the MS performance
Nigger, Kamille is literally assisted by the souls of the dead.

>>23326991
nigger, emma literally tells him the zeta is a machine that can harness the souls of the dead

>>23326991
People keep forgetting this beat Unicorn to the punch.

>it's a 'retarded cocksucker anon tries to act like he has an IQ of a million' thread

>>23326960
The worldview is that they're all in the past, and society just keeps getting reset to nothing repeatedly, RETARD.

>>23326989
Gundam EXA is explicitly a simulation, RETARD.

>>23327022
Angel Halo has nothing to do with turning back time, it causes traumatic brain damage in people, RETARD.

>>23326867
what does the scouter say about his power level?

ZZ was going full on assembling robot with psychic powers.

The anti-NT power fans are fake fans.

>>23326867
This wasn't anything significant at all, Dozle did the same thing in 0079
Newtypes are able to visualize intense emotions that come off of others

>>23327037
Noticed how you didn't say anything about Zeta or ZZ withs super Sayan aura bullshit.

>>23327065
What's there to say? The biosensor is bullshit magic tech.
Or if you're talking about the Judau shit, see >>23327054

>>23327078
So, in other words, it's ok when Tomino does Newtype magic.

>>23327078
>scaring people off with psychic power is nothing special
OK.

>>23327082
No it's retarded. It's just a lower level of retarded than reality warping.

>>23327086
Yes, being angry at somebody and them being a psychic who gets intimidated by your anger is nothing special, RETARD.

>>23327093
No, this is retarded. You are saying this magic fits but the other magic doesn't, even when both are connected to each other (the immortal SOVL of a NT).

You can tell the anon's bitching about realty warping shit in a Tomino show only seen Gundam and not an of his other /m/ shows.

BE INVOKED BITCHES

>>23327105
Or he hasn't watched enough Gundam.

NT power is the Deus Ex Machine, that's it.

>>23327099
>You are saying this magic fits
I think it's all fucking shit actually. I really can't stand UC anymore nowadays.

>>23327105
Ideon is not Gundam, RETARD.

Gundam stories with no Newtype magic crap are always better.

Gundam used to be the poster boy for 'real robot'. But with every new UC show, it becomes more and more super robot.

>>23326787 (OP)
Unicorn at least had the caveat of the Unicorns and Neo Zeong being absolutely fucking loaded down with Psycho Frame which massively amplified newtype abilities. If the Axis Shock was caused by the sheer mass of human will acting on the Psych Frame present in just the Sazabi and Nu Gundams cockpits that at least implies some ratio of will to psycho frame power is in play. Unicorn just flips the ratio to huge psychoframe/low mass of human will. Effectively giving ONE person the power to decide the fate of the masses. Which fits thematically with Unicorns story given it's all set in motion by the terroristic actions and fate of Syam Vist. Unicorn isn't very good but there was at least some kind of intention there. It doesn't REALLY shit the bed until Narrative pushes it even farther over the line.

>>23327136
Real robot is a gameplay term.
It doesn't mean Battletech, you poser.
>>23327112
Well, bye bye then.

>>23327007
Emma doesn't know shit about Zeta, that was her just giving him final wars of encouragement, then the wave rider crash was just those feeling of everyone Kamille lost, amplified. Zeta doesnt literally take people's souls, That was just visual representation of what he we feeling in the moment. The issue between pre Unicorn horseshit, and post Unicorn, is that newtype powers before unicorn are emotionally driven and based. All the aura and shit your seeing is from the exuding of extreme emotional and mental pressure. Unicorn just through all this shit out the when because fuckers missed the whole reason why Axis was really pushed to begin with, (the fact that literally everyone at the battle, was deeply regretting dropping the Axis on the so everyone's feeling of wishing and trying to take it back, was amplified by the psychoframe, and feedback pulse was miraculously strong enough to push axis back.), they missed that whole point and say that there's some super mystery cosmic power newtypes have, when Tomino spent 3 fucking shows and a movie telling niggas "newtypes are just people who have better communication and understanding skills.

>>23327105
There's no reality warping in Ideon.

>>23327153
Counterpoint - Judau is assisted against Haman by souls of people he never met.

>>23327112
I bet you hate the second this brown girl showed Amuro her trippy sparkle world, must've made you sheath like hell.

>>23327128
And those stories turned out to be the worst ones outside of War in the Pocket.

>>23327160
Resetting the universe doesn't count?

>>23327167
If the highlight of 0079 for you is that bullshit, then... lmao

>>23327179
It's not, but you are clearly mad at newtype magic when OYW began the slippery slope.

>>23327165
He didnt need to know them to be the conduit of their feelings. This is what made Kamille a strong or sensitive newtype and this is why he was struggling and he eventually got mind broken. The Gryps war was that fucking and he basically picking up everything going on in the battle. The fucking neo zeon war would have permanently comatosed him

>>23327173
It doesn't do that
It just flings meteors at people to kill them

>>23327216

>>23327099
>this magic fits but the other magic doesn't,
that's exactly how sci fi works

*0080, 0083 and 08th MS really damaged UC.

It's supposed to be Realistic drama through robot battles, not REALISTIC ROBOTs.

>>23326787 (OP)
Unicorn didn't have time travel. Fukui claims it was supposed to be a vision/metaphor. It's been long established that Newtypes can see through time as a 4th dimension, and Unicron is the extreme of that.
>>23326848
N-Jammer cancellers are a stupider idea.
>>23326918
That's not a multiverse. Turn A means that every Gundam timeline is either a sequel or a prequel to another, not that they're all alternate realities.
Extreme uses the Dark History's mobile suits for simulations. How is that an alternate reality?

>>23326922
>>23326918
>>23326960
>>23326966
Turn A is a merged timeline. It merges every timeline into one point at the end.

>>23327691
Turn A doesn't apply to anything released after Seed.

>>23327691
>Fukui claims it was supposed to be a vision/metaphor.
Then he wrote Narrative and turns out that they actually traveled on time.

>>23326960
>Seed
Wrong, SEED was made after Turn A, so no scenes from SEED appear in Turn A's Dark History. Turn A has the Universal Century, G, Wing, and X.

>>23326787 (OP)
Newtype is not the problem but the Newtype technologies are! Psycommu and Psycho Frame causing this weird shit! Banned all the Newtype technologies!

>>23327717
don't worry about it, fukada was ultra smart and retroactively included seed in turn a

>>23327721

>>23326918
>>23326960
>>23327700
Turn A is just a metaphor and some references because otherwise you're claiming that at some point in history everyone got super good at kung fu and then just stopped all of a sudden, and that multiple buildings have survived millions of years to appear in different shows and no one questioned these super ancient buildings just sitting around already constructed.

>>23327746
yes i am claiming that
>but that doesn't make sen-
don't worry about it

>>23326787 (OP)
Nah, it's Zeta's fault.
Newtype's jumped the shark the moment Kamiyu got so angry Zeta conjured an I-field that it doesn't have and his beam saber magically got super long.

>>23327755
eh i'm more willing to accept telekinesis than Lalah being god and rewriting historical events at a whim while traveling between dimensions

>>23327752
Yeah and I'm saying that it's dumb and wrong. Also Turn A wouldn't beat G Gundam anyway. It doesn't have enough love.

You see children, the vines are a metaphor for depression. It's very clever.

>>23327765
Sure, I obviously agree, but it the biosensor scene opened the floodgates that led to this.
It's the precise point where newtypes stopped being people with telepathic powers and became space wizards.

>>23326896
As opposed to
>Lalah seeing time and being eternal ghost voice consciousnes
>literal ghosts giving Zeta more physical boost and power
?

>>23326843
Gundam Wing is probably one of the most grounded Au of the franchise. Sure, the Wing Zero can destroy colonies and predicts the future, but other than that the setting is really realistic. Even the mobile dolls (drones) are absolutely very close to the war of Today.

Too bad the story was not great

>>23326787 (OP)
>Gundam Unicorn: people can use newtype powers to travel back in time
This is misleading
That was in narrative, up to unicorn it was implied that it wasn't an actual time travelling just a vision

>>23327772
Actually, it's a jojo reference that's lost on most viewers. bravo, anno.

>>23326918
Do retards like this miss the line where Dianna mentions all the scenes of the dark history are from the universal century? Tomino is acknowledging all the 90s slop AUs as canon and apart of his gundam

>>23328193
I choose to interpret that as AUs were movies in late UC and retarded humans couldn't tell the difference between archive footage and movies in the future. Why is every archival mobile suit they find a UC suit?

>>23326918
Yes, and not really

Gundam is a series which uses different settings and characters for each iteration. No one in Wing is directly Amuro or Char, they are like Final Fantasy where they are that same character role, but still a distinct character to themselves and their era. So collaborations like Dissidia can have them meet at once, whilst each one can remain distinct with their own true motives in the collaboration (DWG, G GEN)

Dog shit like Marvel into the multiverse is where you have 99 different fucking variations of Spiderman and most of them are the same fucking story, because they have to reset everything every time a new writer comes along each year, and then try and use any form of continuity. You then lose that character because are you talking about Spiderman #17 or Spiderman #244a???
How the hell do you know what did or didn't happen in that franchise now? Which of the 100 Spiderman even saw Uncle Ben die at this point?
What it effectively does, is make every characters story pointless and inconsequential
>The Booster Gold you d been following for 40 comics dies? Oh well, there's like 100 more don't worry lol!!!

I can tell you that THE Schwarz Bruder however, definitely died on Lantau island, and that THE Hero Yuuy ended up test piloting Mercurius

This is why I hate Gundam Manga adaptations

Then again, I can't trust a Redditfag to have comprehend any nuance to implementation

>>23326787 (OP)
>>Zeta Gundam: people can use newtype powers to funnel the souls of the dead into an MS in order to power it up
Ftfy, this is the point where things went wrong.

>>23327746
It's a merged timeline and mostly a metaphor like you said. But Turn A literally means universal quantification or "accepting of all," you just have to accept that it's a brain fuck and that's what makes it cool.

>>23328193
Theres also little things like Gym talking about using the Shining finger

>>23327702
>>23327746
It applied to everything gundam ever. Including SD Gundam

>>23328352
>But Turn A literally means universal quantification or "accepting of all,"

I'm going to be a pedantic bitch and correct you:
No, it doesn't literally mean that. What it is is it's a symbol used in discrete mathematics to represent "for all elements of a given set." The meaning, -within that context-, is what lends to the poetic reading of Turn A Gundam as "For All Gundam," and why it is that it has that milestone celebration vibe where it evokes all sorts of things from Gundam's past in a jumbled together distant future that could theoretically be the culmination of any one or all continuities.

Outside of that, the turned A symbol doesn't have intrinsic meaning. It has use cases, it's part of phonological encoding and back in the days of printing presses probably had additional uses due to the triviality of flipping an A/a block upside down, but it's a symbol that by itself lacks any meaning.

Just saying.

>>23328673
>GQuuuuux literally shown they can zeknova into different timeline so we know Turn A would be able to do that to delete all timelines

>>23327708
Narrative, the movie, doesn't actually say that. The guy says "it's like time was turned back on their reactors" or something like that, but it could just as easily be telepathic disassembly. It's what Fukui started going on about the Unicorn being able to literal time travel and destroy entire universes in the interviews after that were batshit insane. Sunrise obviously reeled him in for the film.

>>23328188
>>23327772
Whoa, Stand user Lalah! They should go all out and introduce crossover AUs!

>>23326894
why do fags hate multiverse? because of MCU?

>>23327700
Not even sunrise pushes this idea. And their most recent events put Turn A as an AU with each AU being its own timeline

>>23328767
It's just overused in recent years.

>>23328768
I don't know why they're so scared of putting them definitively at the end of UC, what they're going to make a canon entry where all UC's problems get solved before it devolves into cannibalism and the world ending? Yeah, sure, okay.

>>23328771
and that makes it bad? how?

>>23328767
Its a sacrifice at a conceptual level, used by lazy writers who need to leverage what-ifs instead of being able to make a compelling story within a singular universe where character's actions have a set consequence with no "spare" universe to negate those consequences. At that point, the only way the writers can attempt to create tension is by inevitably escalating the plot to where an entire universe is at risk of being destroyed which is usually dull itself since at that point the individual characters stop mattering

>>23328775
In the 2000s there was an interview with some sunrise producer that suggested that all the events of the Gundam are like ancient historical records and that the different shows could be viewed as different theories of what ACTUALLY happened. If you view it from that lens, then you could say that UC, AC, AW, FC, and a few other similar ones could actually be the same timeline, but interpreted differently.

You could even make that argument about Turn A and G-Reco. The moonlight butterfly in itself is nothing special, it just represents the idea of civilization on earth collapsing. In both G-Reco and Turn A, all the space colonists who once occupied space moved away from the solar system, and then Earth's civilization collapsed. Then they rebuilt with help from the moon. G-Reco probably falls a little further along in the timeline, but they share the same backstory. Things like the moonlight butterfly are just a contrivance for gunota nerds who place the importance of the mecha over the narrative. Turn A itself already does this. The caves that hide away the caches of preserved technology have the same composition as limestone caves or lava caves, one of the two, iirc. So did the moonlight butterfly artificially create them or were they naturally preserved? It doesn't really matter.

So to answer your question. I doubt they'll make an entry where all of UC's problems are solved. It will collapse every time.

>>23328767
They actually hate the MCU multiverse per se. They hate the one with the black kid being the protagonist.

>>23328808
There is no spare in G9X.

>>23328767
I think the hatred of multiverses lately is a snowball effect from western media in general. Marvel and DC have jaded people to alternate universes. Things like DC's Flashpoint and new 52 feels like where things started going wrong. Marvel's destruction of the original ultimate universe but hey we're moving miles to 616 was another blow to credibility. However, most people don't read comics, so they would only hear the negatives about what publishers did with multiverse, if, big if, they hear anything at all. Then we come to the marvel movies and it's own can of worms. The genral audience was fine with multiverse shit in Spiderman because it used the multiverse as a reason to bank of nostalgia. People go for that. Then the MCU exposed everyone to the worst aspect of Multiverse in Dr Strange. They used the multiverse as a way to have popular characters like professor X and Mr. Fantastic job and die in horrible fashion. Strange showed everyone that you can kill with no real consequences because multiver. After that, multiverse bad became the norm.

>>23326797
Nothing he said was wrong, tourist.

>>23328862
It's a testament to how much the underlying issue isn't multiverse bad so much as multiverse is marvel therefor bad that I don't hear much these days about one of the bigger offenders of "multiverse means there's no real consequences for anything" that I've gotten to experience in my lifetime: Bioshock Infinite.

Boy, that game used to get torn apart for the time travel multiverse fuckery being little more than a handwave for authorial fiat, but it eventually faded from the collective media conscience. But Marvel movies being big blockbuster events means they're always timely relevant for discussion, and so any topic that barnacles itself to Marvel even if it happened in only one movie becomes this perpetual animus that people make out to be more prevalent than it actually is.

Or, in less pretentiously worded terms:
I think people bashing multiverses at this moment come off as a tad shallow, and that they're still working out their feelings on mass market media and trend chasing as a whole and it's just currently manifest as a small part of the deeper issue they're hung up on.

>>23326960
Bandai's official stance is it's one universe that keeps looping into different "AUs" (that are actually just different iterations of civilization with impossible similarities) every time Turn A wipes it.
So yeah not a multiverse. It's honestly dumber.

>>23328862
Multiverses are only suitable as a fleeting plot point for singular episodes/issues where a character gets trapped in a parallel world and has to get back to their's. Otherwise it always devolves into pandering nonsense or stupid meta commentary where the quality of the actual writing stops mattering

>>23328884
No it's not

Muv Luv did multiple universes in a similar way to GQX but better, and their wierd interdimensional girl had sex with aliens instead of taking a hot beam saber

Amuro appears in the RX-78 in gcucks because that's how Lalah remembers him
This is actually Amuro in the Nu from CCA that disappeared after the Axis Shock

>>23327022
Angel Halo is super grounded if you think about it. We already know one Newtype can give another brain damage since Scirocco. This is the same thing amplified, with many more "ESPers" (probably Newtypes), essentially doing a temporary version of the same thing.

>>23328890
Why even chime in if you're unaware?

>>23328892
Depends.
Do you mean in the sense of the interdimensional prince charming part, or in the sense of the "this is why you don't casually cross the dimensional barriers" part?

Because I'd gladly take Zeknovas over... does the official translation retain Causality Conductor? Because that's what I know it as and looking back at it that was some of the most contrived bullshit ever in a story that had some really fucking contrived below the belt emotional dickpunches.

Lalah keeps Zeknova'ing every time she fails to save Char OR Amuro

Main UC Timeline is the one where she rightfully dies and breaks the loop (BREAKING THE MOBIUS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TIME, as the lyrics go)

Judau was right to have all the newtypes fuck off to another galaxy

>>23328923
Yazan Gable was right in rejecting any newtype connection. I wouldn't want any connection of an interdimensional female demiurge either

>>23326918
1. Turn A is not multiverse shit. It's a reset button for mankind limited to our solar system. It's the same timeline.
2. Multiverse shit can be done well but it needs to be something special. Build Fighters being Gundam Valhalla is a perfect example of this.

>>23328923
they'll find a way to fuck up there too and inevitably "accidentally" send back a Turn X or two back to earth

I honestly don't care about the powerlevel shit.
I just hate that Unicorn (Char possessing Full Frontal), Narrative (Neo Zeong apparently being a design created by Newtype ghosts??) and GQuuuuuux (In general) imply there's nothing particularly spiritual or transformative about the 'other side', it's just another plane of existence where things proceed as they always have. It feels like someone taking the Newtype ghosts in Z and ZZ way too literally, like their just old friends visiting from across the block, not the residual will of enlightened spirits who have shed their humanity.
It makes me wonder how these people interpreted Ideon's ending.
The point is life as we understand it is just a transient moment in a cycle we don't completely understand. Compartmentalizing the afterlife as a actual plane you can casually travel to and from with you ego intact just feels like it cheapens everything. It also makes Lalah's ghost being a cryptic ball of raw emotion as Amuro refers to her after MSG seem like it's just her being a prick on purpose.

>>23328886
I'm always going to love the star trek classic mirror universe. Not so crazy about the DS9 episodes, but the Evil Archer and Hoshi winning at the end was a fun episode in Enterprise.

>>23328933
MSG and Zeta imply you can get Newtype ghost'd even if you weren't a Newtype in life, so it seems like there's no real escape.

>>23328941
>toy commercial
>special
Build Fighters is the most shameless and cynical product Gundam has ever given, a toy commercial with zero pretense of being a toy commercial.

>>23328968
So, honesty.
Which is exactly what the brand needs.

>>23328673
So basically it means exactly what I said it does, you autistic fuck

>>23327702
Where does this rumor come from? This isn't the first time I've heard it and it makes no sense. Every AU up to G-Witch was included in the Light of Life special.
>>23328882
It has nothing to do with Marvel. Look at the Rebuilds or Matrix Resurrections. Both used multiverse writing to water down epic stories into flashy, metatexutal nonsense. This Gundam show is doing the same thing and it's arguably worse since it wasted the original premise. Multiverses can be good, but there needs to be meaning behind them.

>>23328968
A celebration of the franchise that gives us more new cool toys and is open and honest about wanting to sell toys and be cool for coolness sake? Based beyond belief.

Better that than this pseudo intellectual newtype magic shit combined with shameless waifufaggotry written by otaku hacks.

>>23328862
>DC's Flashpoint and new 52
You mean things that happen 14 years ago are shaping the perception of people that were probably toddlers and never were aware of it?

>>23328975
Oh now it's suddenly OK to be a consoomer.

>>23329187
>14 years ago
Please don't make me feel old lien this.

>>23329198
A consoomer does not care about quality. They consume for consumptions sake, like Gquacks fans are doing right now.

If you're gonna tell me that Build Fighters was bad, you can fuck right off this board and never come back.

>>23329214
>describe Gundam Butt Fuckers fans to the letter
>no wait that's not real consoomerism!
Just open your wallet like a good drone and clap at the thing that you recognize. Bandai will reward you with more feel-good brain chemicals if you just give them money for their overpriced plastic.

>>23328968
Build Fighters is pure sincerity. A level of sincerity Anno could never dream of, never even achieve. And it was made by just normal people that also like Gundam, not extremely shilled auteurs that want to subvert it.

>>23329276
Sure thing ESL retard.

>>23326787 (OP)
Gundam X tried to fix this but people rejected it.
Japan wants everything to be Dragon Ball or MLP-Tier Magic autism

>>23328767
Because it's lazy and pointless.
It takes away any semblance of stakes. If a character dies or fails, no reason a writer can't now just bring in another version from a different universe, so whatever big moments were to be had now feel less meaningful. It also messes with character arcs—when there are endless versions of the same person, it trivializes the one you've been following all this time and their struggles.
On top of that, the multiverse more often than not is just used for cameo shit. Obviously Mahvel is the biggest example of this, but the same thing is happening here. Anno/Khara couldn't even just leave it at their usual references. They HAD to go all out and make what could've just stayed an alternate timeline into a multiverse story. And for what? What is actually gained from doing this? We get to see the RX-78? We see it every day. We've gotten Builds series for ten years and you couldn't go one episode without seeing it once.

>>23327128
0083 is only fun if you skip past anything that's not fights, because the writing is doing a stellar job at making me hate everyone important.

>>23329269
>>23329287
Begone from this board.

>>23327141
A chick getting to live forever as a ghost in the machine was fucking wild even for Gundam.

>>23329327
Kill yourself butt fucker.

Unicorn has the beam magnum, gcucks doesn't

>>23329287
Are you going to actually make a point or just keep seething that G-Cucks got outdone by the most blatant toy commercial so far?
>It trivializes the one you've been following all this time and their struggles
I get the problems of multiverse storytelling, but I never understood this argument. An alternate version of a character brought in from the multiverse is oftentimes an entirely different person from our original. They went through different things, made different choices, etc. That's ripe opportunity to emphasize the importance of the choices characters make or the importance of certain characters/settings in person A's life, isn't it?

>>23329343
>>23329302
Forgot to link

>>23328767
Not only stakes but coherent continuity, even in the context of just like having a reason for the setting.
If you want an episode where for some reason everyone is pirates in a normal series you either need to find some excuse for it to happen or scrap the idea. You bring in the multiverse and say, "And then the multiverse stuff happened and now everyone is pirates for this one episode."
Bayonetta 3's usage of multiverse bullshit was basically done for this, instead of just having a game that takes place across the entire world it's "now there's multiverse stuff and all it serves is giving us an excuse to make our level designs and set pieces not need to follow a coherent motif or connect for organic reasons, because it's just Bayo going to different universes." It's cheap and lazy even in a franchise that is known for having shallow storytelling.
Multiverse almost never actually adds substance, it's basically like a modern equivalent of "it was all just a dream" but being used actively throughout the story.

>>23329343
The caveat is that what your describing, the idea of creating novel universes where things took a different path are fine, but thats just an alternative timeline not a multiverse. A multitude at least in this instance necessitates multiple universes interacting and having characters travel between them.
Gundam X is effectively an alternate timeline where not!Amuro lost and became a wanted my scavenger with his own history and motives. If Gundam after war was a multiverse story it would.have Amuro travel into its world and constantly to "huh that's different" every once in a while, with plot threads from both universes competing for relevance until some contrived three-dimensional doomsday attempts and fails to became an overarching plot. That's why multiverse stories only function as short curiosities in a longer serial.

>>23329332
Retard can't read. Figures.

>>23329402
Whoops, meant to reply to >>23329343

>>23329405
Fuck off this board

>>23329411
Calm down, reddit.

>>23329385
While I get what you're saying about the pitfalls of multiverse stories and agree they're generally best used as a small piece in a longer narrative, I don't think a multiverse story by design requires the pit traps you've mentioned. It just takes a ridiculous amount of thought even if you narrowed the scope to something as small as a hometown.

>>23329091
Matrix Resurrections didn't use a multiverse anything. Love it or hate it, that film's a linear sequel to the originals.
The meta-textual elements are entirely pointed at the futility of a studio wanting a fitting sequel to risky, groundbreaking films as a safe bet franchise-starter and the impossible creative hole it puts the film in from the outset.

>>23329325
>a stellar job at making me hate everyone important
So just following in Tomino's footsteps? No 0083 character is a grating as Katz, Reccoa, Sarah, Scirocco.

>>23329300
>Gundam X tried to fix this but people rejected it.
Because it wasn't a good story, with enjoyable/interesting characters. It's clear Banrise put all the effort into Wing.

>>23326787 (OP)
There is nothing in Unicorn that suggests they actually time traveled. That didn't come into play until Narrative, but in Unicorn it's presented as the similar to hallucinations like in 0079 or Zeta.

>>23328951
The ghost situation has been irreparably fucked ever since we learned Char was possessing Full Frontal even though they went out of their way to show that Full Frontal was nothing like Char and was consciously living as the public perception of Char to further his genuine convictions regarding Spacenoid independence. A far cry from pic related, and deliberately fucking up his own goals just so he could have closure regarding his petty rivalry with Amuro.

>>23331928
You forgot about the end of unicorn and the retardation that was Neo Zeong, and the whole implication that it was something that literally didnt belong in the timeline

>>23331972
CCA wasnt about petty rivalry, CCA was about the final solution to the wars over the earth. The reason we are where we are at with gundam now is that everyone kept interprets Char as a selfish conceited person, when Zeta Char was actually nothing like this at all when paid further attention to.

>>23328802
Do you not get tired of eating the same meal everyday? It can be great tasting but the mind and body craves diversity. Too much of anything is bad.

Think of the western genre. By the 80s EVERYONE hated them cause they were so oversaturated it lost luster. Same with disco hence the Disco Riots of 1979.

Its actually bad for the genre itself as now everyone is so dismissive that good works themselves are ignored. Needless to say the overuse of multiverse shit is bad even if you like multiverse stories

>>23328862
And then pic happened.

>>23332016
that was all from supplementary material which is fake and gay even if it's official. The anime itself gives zero indication the Neo Zeong is anything other some fancy newtype machine the sleeves built. I don't remember anyone ever stating it's a wish granting machine who's blueprints were given to FF in a dream by the ghost of Char.

>>23332509
Is there anything like that in the novel version?

>>23326787 (OP)
>Gundam Unicorn: people can use newtype powers to travel back in time
Was it really time travel? I though it was just a vision of the past.

>>23332405
I don't read comics, but are they really so lazy they just photoshop shit onto photos now? That's hilarious, no wonder it's a virtually dead medium.

>>23332509
The ghost of Char stuff and Neo Zeong not belonging in this world were stated in Narrative in animation.

>>23332634
Narrative isn't real. It's like Australia.

>>23332513
The Neo Zeong doesn’t exist in the novel.

>>23332026
Nigga he literally handed Amuro the only way to fuck up his plan just cause he didn't think he'd be satisfied if Amuro didn't have a chance. He cared more about closure than his plan actually succeeding.

>>23332768
>just cause he didn't think he'd be satisfied if Amuro didn't have a chance
He did that because, he didn't think would be fair of him for him to just toss the earth into destabilization and not give them a fighting chance to prevent it. There's to things you need two understand about CCA. One, if Char just wanted a duel, he would have just asked for a duel, there's literally no need to go the semanics of staging an entire military operation where the stakes are literally the fate of the fucking earth just for that.l, and two, the earth would be fucked regardless if Amuro won with or without psychoframe. The whole point of the Axis shock is that it was a miraculous act of god and the power of humanity to able able to resonant with each other and will the phemomenon to happen. There's was literally no guarantee that Axis was gonna be stopped just because Nu gundam was made of psychoframe, and if you want to argue that nu gundam is the key, then i can tell you this, if the outcome was switched and Sazabi was the winner instead, than it would have been the conduit instead because it's also made of psychoframe. All the willpower would go go into it instead and then an axis shock would have been just as it would be for nu in hindsight, but to reiterate, axis shock was not guarantee'd, that literally the entire point, and with that context in mind, understand that Char would have won regardless, if not for the miracle. It literally made no difference if he gave him the psychoframe or not.

>>23332634
That doesn't mean it came from an alternate dimension. It just means its power was too great to belong.

>>23333081
No that was what it was suppose to mean, then they were like "nah, it LITERALLY doesn't belong."

>>23333068

>if Char just wanted a duel, he would have just asked for a duel, there's literally no need to go the semanics of staging an entire military operation where the stakes are literally the fate of the fucking earth just for that.

You're not looking at it from Amuro's perspective. He would have said no regardless of how Casval/Char approached him about settling their rivalry because Amuro never took it seriously and wanted to recover from past trauma. Not forget to mention Casval/Char obsessing over this rivalry makes him immature because now that he survived his fight with Haman, he shouldn't have given up on what he set out to do in Z Gundam but he did it anyway.

>>23329302
>We've gotten Builds series for ten years and you couldn't go one episode without seeing it once.
What if I don't care about the Build series at all, and considering it hasn't shown up in a UC Gundam show since forever, it actually is an effective poignant moment? Besides, the alternate universes in GquX have not once been used to invalidate stakes or the lives of its characters, and none of the cameos had anything to do with it being in a multiverse either. It's really MORE about Lalah than it's about different worlds with all sorts of crazy things happening.

>>23333092
>You're not looking at it from Amuro's perspective.

Because too many people keep looking at it from Amuro's perspective already, and they don't even fully grasp everything that transpired in Zeta leading up to CCA or just outright omit it and brush of everything as "Char not being honest with himself", so that everything he did and tried to do in Zeta doesnt matter all. Yeah your right Amuro's to ptsd ridden to agree to a duel for old times sake, but as far Char, he genuinely found new calling into trying to reform the original purpose of Zeon, and matured beyond that rivalry in Zeta, and that was where all of his efforts were going towards that goal. That's why I say it's dumb that people think CCA was about a petty rivalry and that's it, when CCA is telling you "there's way more going on than that, were you not paying attention to the shows?"

>>23331928
Old grandpa terrorist actually saw unicorn in the first episode

>>23326787 (OP)
Gundam as a franchise suffers from newtype creep, at first it was like 3~4 newtypes for the original gundam and now with gquuuuuux every third character's a newtype, and i get it its explained in lore but damn

>>23327153
If Sarah can stop Scirocco from killing Katz right after Sarah herself is killed, then Kamile is likely channeling actual Newtypes' ghosts instead of that being figurative.

>>23328193
I thought it was just evidence that Tomino himself didn't watch any of the AUs and everyone in production was too timid to correct him along with Tomino attempting to over-correct and bend over backwards to include references to series that members of his production staff worked on after being so difficult to work with on his last Gundam series before that point (Victory).

>>23332768
Char intends to die during the drop as punishment for his deeds, Amuro being the only person to understand Char is his best candidate for it