I really liked the alternate OYW premise of GQuuuuuuX, exploring what the world would look like if Zeon won is an interesting question that offered a new angle to examine the world of the UC.

So for it to mostly devolve into Star Wars/MCU-esque nostalgia bait is pretty disappointing.

Maybe episode 12 will somehow change my mind, but so far it just feels like a series that has no confidence in any of its new elements.

Machu and Nyaan's confrontation barely felt emotional because of how little time we've spent developing these characters and how much time we've spent with ones from 0079.

It's almost like after years of success with build fighters Bandai said what if we just went all out and turned Gundam anime itself into a playbox for people to have their OCs interact with 0079 characters.

It's a shame because with GQuuuuuuX there is a lot of really interesting stuff here in the world and characters, but the nostalgia bait really gets in the way.

>>23327023 (OP)
>Machu and Nyaan's confrontation barely felt emotional because of how little time we've spent developing these characters and how much time we've spent with ones from 0079.

>>23327023 (OP)
I don't even blame the nostalgia bait on its own, I actually think bringing in some old elements is really cool. But the show only has 12 episodes and so besides the retold OYW stuff each episode has felt really crammed in. The other universe shenanigans have to share space with the fuckery going on with Zeon, Machu and Nyaan's character development and interactions, and their relationships with Shuji and Challia and Kycilia.

I don't hate it but it definitely needed 24 episodes. Let the first 12 build up the setting (two OYW episodes, the last 10 for the clan battling and desires to leave the colony + Zeonic fuckery), then we could have had the next 12 or so set up for what's been happening now. I can see the vision they have but because of how rushed it is we barely get to meet characters like Deux or Shiiko, and the obsession over Shuji is reminiscent of the near instant obsession that Kamille and Four had with each other (which IMO is rushed).

With this and WfM I wish Bandai would just fully commit to another entire universe, complete with 50 episode series and side stories. The last entry that really tried that was SEED and it was successful. Either that or go full-SRW and straight up give us a 12 episode crossover series.

>>23327046
I'm honestly surprised WfM hasn't gotten a sequel. It was pretty popular and I think there's more they could do with the Ad Stella setting.

>>23327026
In the gap between this episode and last you had the argument defending the lack of development being that it was supposed to be a shallow relationship where they only superficially knew each other. But then Alphacide aired and caused that argument to completely fizzle out by framing them discovering eachother's identities in their gundams as some grand betrayal and having Nyaan being freed from Kycillia's loyalty by saving Machu's life, neither moment actually working if their friendship was intended by the writers to be "false"

It's interesting.

And much better than GfW.

>>23327098
Newtype shenanigans are a brutal writers crutch to speed past actual character interactions. Who needs time and drama when the characters have the psychic equivalent of dogs sniffing one another's ass to learn their entire backstory and character in a second.

>>23327026
>>23327046
The Shuji/Machu dynamic is so rushed, which is a real shame because in the right hands and with more time the friends to lovers to enemies arc would've been incredible.
But next week Machu is apparently going to duel Shuji in the RX-78 and I just feel nothing because we did not spend nearly enough time developing the connection between those two for it to have strong tension.

We needed at least 24-26 episodes for this type of story.

Shuji and Machu needed an episode to just chill in the colony, they all should've had at least 1 dedicated low stakes episode to hanging out in pairs and another where they all hang out together. These could've all been clan battle episodes. Deux needed an episode as well.

I just realized there's another huge mecha anime franchise where the metafiction angle would actually work perfectly.

>actually wanting padded out writing
Have you considered not speedwatching?

>>23327126
Exactly. I think the story has a lot of interesting concepts and if done properly the nostalgia-stuff would actually be really well done. Even just the Rose of Sharon episode felt a bit better: the Miguel stuff was rushed sure but I appreciated the bit of downtime.
>>23327087
I'm surprised as well. Personally, I'm even more shocked we haven't gotten a show that's more 08th MS Team styled, more grounded and such.
I can appreciate Gquuuuuux as a celebration of the original series a bit but man do I wish we got more.

>>23327208
>we haven't gotten a show that's more 08th MS Team styled, more grounded and such.
They literally did that western Gundam show recently, have you even watched it?

>>23327087
You cannot make a sequel to WfM without ruining the ending. Suletta is happy and done with fighting. Miorine is married and has someone to clean her room. Even Eri is here.

>>23327098
The way they deescalated so quickly was clearly just supposed to make you go
>Aww, they are friends again!
But i can't help but feel like the 'again' part is suspect.

>>23327161
>proper development is added out writing
GCuuuuuucks are beyond saving.

>>23327242
They talk like a show is some kind of medical procedure, or a chore. Something that should be done "efficiently" and gotten over with. What a sad way to watch anime.

>>23327242
>I need an hour long soliloquy from an incidental character only appearing in a single episode to make sense of what is going on

Yknow not every show uses an ensemble cast and long form storytelling.

>>23327046
>another entire universe, complete with 50 episode series and side stories. The last entry that really tried that was SEED
00
AGE
Orphans

>>23327272
Their stories are built around it. Not GQX tho.

>>23327272
The characters in Gquuuuuux are less fleshed out than the dudes in Stargazer hahaha

>>23327140
The difference is that Kawamori is more hands on with Macross compared to Tomino who got tired of Gundam so we get less bullshittery (that and because of Harmony Gold they can’t be too reliant on SDF/DYRL fanservice)

>>23327023 (OP)
> mecha is relying too much on Nostalgia
FTFY

>>23327311
>that and because of Harmony Gold they can’t be too reliant on SDF/DYRL fanservice
Because Harmony Gold controls Macross distribution in Japan. Yes, this makes sense.

God fucking dammit /m/ you stupid cunts.

>>23327272
>Yknow not every show uses an ensemble cast and long form storytelling
And GQuX is an example of it going terribly wrong.

they should really do more fun seasons like G and the first build fighters

>>23327217
Is the manga after or in running in parallel with the main story? Because the ending deleted all Gundams from existence, or did I misunderstood the ending and only Aerial, Calibarn and Pharact was involved?

>>23327332
No it only deleted those 3
One of the school shooter ones is still there, plus Gundams are just a technology and they can simply make more. That whole ending sequence was even more of a dumb soapbox moment than the gundam wing retards sending their Gundams into the sun and then blowing them up

>>23327273
None of these were received as well as Seed which I suppose is the point you're making. Why bother when no one really spends the money on the merch?

>>23327349
Ok, thanks. Because Pharact being 'summoned' to join the two had me thinking all the GUND-ARM tech got deleted.
So why did Pharact has to join Aerial and Calibarn?

>>23327315
I would kneel to Khara if this was the final boss

>>23327383
It was brought onto the shuttle the kids took but they never piloted it, i guess the in universe explanation was that Quiet Zero absorbed any GUND-ARM permet nearby and the narrative reason was so they could have the bad evil gundams dissolve into fairy powder as a childish metaphor for disarmament.

>>23327217
You can, but you have to make the gundam the defacto villain.

>>23327349
>No it only deleted those 3
Ahem.

>>23327332
The two manga are a prequel and an AU.

>>23327126
Die, Duex schizo.

>>23327437
oh yeah how could i forget lauda's schizophrenic episode, the only redeeming part of the ending

>>23327211
The Requiem one? Yeah but that one was just 6 episodes, I meant like a full on new series and universe with 24 episodes minimum.
I haven't seen it though, was it good?

>>23327023 (OP)
it's fine.

>>23327330
Well, G Gundam did get a novel sequel, so it's possible one day.

>>23327023 (OP)
Is a show being self-referential in anyway really this much of a thought virus to people nowadays? The show is FLCL and diebuster at its core. Khara guys are influenced by mid-century sci fi and pulp. What does marvel have to do with literally anything?

>>23327208
Sunrise doesn't like grunt mechas on their main line. The producers are against theidea of a titular Gundam suffering damage because if mecha doesn't cool then their plamo sales could decrease.

>>23327217
You can just introduce new characters in the same setting. I would love to see something akin to Zeta for the Ad Stella timeline. The political plot threads were never really tied up.

>>23327528
The man on the TV screen told them to hate marvel

>>23327023 (OP)
In hindsight, I can see why the first Zeknova happened: Char was in danger. Lalah used the Zeknova to teleport him away to safety, so he didn't perish. Never mind how inherently dangerous Lalah and the Elmeth are, Char likely finds that living on God Mode, in a universe where God Herself is looking out for him, personally offensive.
Sure, he's doing this to save their universe, but he's also doing this because he's probably deeply unnerved by the idea that their world is not real and resolves entirely around him.
If you think about it, that's an incredibly disturbing thought. It means you're less a person, and more of someone's personal plush toy. And that is fucked up, made more so by how Char has enough self-awareness to realize that something is badly, deeply wrong. It's why this is his new goal, he cannot turn his attention back to the 'main' plot - i.e. Kill the Zabis, Spacenoid independence, et cetra - until the existential problem has been resolved.

Wait, I recognize this story.

This is fucking Blazblue Centralfiction.

>>23327528
Yes, for good reason. It has been the current Hollywood corporate trend to make everything nostalgia-bait. People are tired of the same dozen IPs being constantly rehashed and remade.

>>23327560
>nostalgia-bait
What of it? It's not bad in and of itself. Top Gun Maverick was this and it was a plenty good film.
>same dozen ips rehashed
People have said this since Zeta was releasing. And just like then, it says nothing about the work. If anything this is an issue with corporatism.

>>23327528
>Khara guys are influenced by mid-century sci fi and pulp
maybe once, not anymore

>>23327579
>People have said this since Zeta was releasing
Source?

>>23327589
Don't have it on hand unfortunately it does get brought up when people talk about zeta and viewership.

>>23327023 (OP)
Gqx is a story all about change and the old meeting the new. About opposites and how they clash and attract.

Of course we were going to see more nostalgia than the "rose of sharon".

>>23327560
>People are tired of the same dozen IPs being constantly rehashed and remade.
No one would have a problem if they were actually good. They typically are not.

>>23327579
I'm just saying why people don't like self-referential shit. Top Gun Maverick is an exception. I went to watch a re-release of Star Wars recently and literally all of the ads they played before the movie were either reboots, legacy sequels, or based on some sort of pre-existing IP. It is tiresome. I don't necessarily have anything against such a thing, I would definitely prefer to see more original works but I can appreciate a sequel done well.

>>23327641
Ok I understand that.

>>23327560
It's kind of the opposite. Hollywood wants to play off your nostalgia, then replace it with their own shit. They have no respect for the IP, they just want to wave its zombified corpse in front of you.
This show is different. This is a direct sequel to the IP, and it respects the old characters and follows-up on them, treating them with the reverence they deserve.
Meanwhile, Star Wars wanted to kill off all the old heroes so it could sell you on Rey.

>>23327668
Gquuuuuux is much closer in spirit to the mess of Dave Filoni projects frankly. Something made by someone with some passion and a fairly encyclopaedic knowledge of the source material being given free reign on a new project, with quite similar results. The only difference is that Khara isn't really pushing any original character but besides that the parallels are there

>>23327126
>The Shuji/Machu dynamic is so rushed, which is a real shame because in the right hands and with more time the friends to lovers to enemies arc would've been incredible.

Given the revelation from today's episode that Shuji has just been playing a hobo, there was never intended to be a dynamic because we as the viewer are supposed to realize in this episode "oh Machu and Nyaan were reading Shuji wrong the entire time" and there was never any friends-lovers angle at all. It wasn't friendship, love or, hate, it's just the handwavey Newtype connection that is prevalent throughout modern UC Gundam

>>23327023 (OP)
>spoiled the ending for MC

>>23327621
This sounds like something I read on threads when the last movie of eva rebuild came out

>>23327719
Reading? You know they are 17yro girls right? Both of which were unhappy with their lives. They felt a little tingle, decided it was love, and went full tilt into ruining their lives over it. You know. Like how teenage girls act.

Then Shuji happens to hit several notes that women of that age find irresistible.
1) He's in the classification of bad boys being a poor guy that lives alone, tags buildings, and is technically a criminal and dangerous
2) He's skinny and starving activating the womanly desire to feed him.
3) He ignores all their advances. Which of course drives them crazy.
4) Other women desire him(Nyaa is more interested in him once she realizes Machu is)

All of which to say the crush angle is the most realistic part of the show.

>>23327805
Right, they're acting like what they're experiencing might be a crush. But it's not a crush. It's Newtype empath connection feelings. The criticism anon has is that there's not enough time given to romantic development, my point is that's because what we're seeing isn't romance.

>>23327531
Okay but why not just make a grunt-esque Gundam and then have the protagonist just be baller in it.
Char sells like hotcakes and people were interested in this Char getting the Gundam, so people aren't against a character using a worse mobile suit. On top of that people love Thunderbolt and one of the protags is literally using a jury-rigged Zaku. A series that would ironically depict a Zaku-style pilot fighting against Gundam/Gelgoog tier opponents and other Zaku-tiers would be really cool and a break from the formula.
Plus, Zeon gunpla are super profitable as well as unique-looking gunpla.

I'm not guaranteeing success here but I'm just proposing a VOTOMS esque series. Something like Dunbine or Escaflowne would also be cool.
>>23327545
Char as a character seems to really be tied to personal freedom, the dude bucks any sense of chains on himself even if it isn't real or would literally be a good thing (AEUG leader, working under the Zabis after they killed his dad, losing to Amuro). He'd definitely be the sort of person to reject a fantasy world even if it meant he got everything he wanted, to him it's just another form of slavery.
>>23327668
Yeah as much as this show may have flaws I like how it genuinely does love UC. None of this feels like it was done out of malice or to one-up previous shows and it even makes a point to enhance old characters. The Char episode of stealing the Gundam is made with a lot of love and care, I can't really agree with people saying it's pure nostalgia bait.

>>23327918
>a Zaku-style pilot fighting against Gundam/Gelgoog tier opponents
Oh yeah that niggas dead lol
Like jesus christ why not ask him to beat them all with a paperclip and a dream? Like I know how you gruntniggas are but at least make it remotely believable. You guys can't just keep beating off over the idea of the worlds gruntiest mook beating up all the gundams without some kind of justification.

>>23327943
0080 had it best, if the MC has to go up against a Gundam-tier enemy, it's a one-way suicide mission and the best you can hope for is a double KO.

This is why I liked Rise from the Ashes. The pilots are competent, but they're not pulling wins out of thin air, they take damage and have to fight for each victory. They also get a slow drip of slightly better equipment over time, but they still spend like 80% of the story in grunt MS even if they do transfer to GM Sniper units for their last mission.

>>23327437
schwarzette, gone to soon

>>23327943
I'm not saying it'd be the gruntiest mook ever, just an upgraded grunt. The Gouf gave Amuro trouble as did Char, and Bernie damn near beat the Alex with a literal heataxe and balloons, the biggest issue is that Gundams are usually nigh indestructable to a mook. The Psycho Zaku is itself a souped up Zaku and its main draw was its speed and how it had solid firepower, even then the beam launcher needed 10 minutes per firing IIRC. In that case it's a jury rigged monster that was able to go toe-to-toe with a Gundam and draw (arguably win).
I'm not asking for a literal Zaku vs Gundam fest, just an MC who's consistently punching at or above their metaphorical weight level. You could even have them consistently grab new gear from defeated opponents: upgrades to a beam saber, to better thrusters, eventually working their way up to being Gundam tier.

As a pseudo example, the Zeta Gundam is super cool and it's consistently fighting at or above its level MS, as was the Mk.II. Sure, it killed a bunch of mooks too, but it was more interesting when it was actually vulnerable versus the typical MC stumbling around in their super mech until they conveniently get good enough to 'earn' better opponents.
>>23327970
That's essentially what I mean, yes. I don't want a literal Zaku just beating a gundam out of thin air.

Didn't someone say that Kamille was coming this episode last week?

>>23327023 (OP)
I forgot the name for it but before Gquacks started airing, I read this Gundam sidestory from Kondo where the premise was "What if the Titans kidnapped Sayla and forced Char to work for them?" and holy shit was it cool. Kamille was using an Asshimar, the main grunt of the AEUG was the Marasai, Jerid was Char's tard wrangler. Very interesting stuff. Gquacks is such an absolute nothing burger in comparison.

Honestly if this was just a straight up alternate timeline with no meta timeline shenanigans, I'd think I'd enjoy it less. The Zeon civil war stuff just doesn't feel very interesting to me because it's played out exactly how I expected it to with Kycilia actually being worse than Space Hitler himself. Final episode could be an absolute clownshow though, we'll have to see.
>>23327701
At least Anno isn't trying to shove his jailbait waifu down my throat like Filoni does with Ashoka. Shit man I used to like Ashoka but what's been done with her since Rebels is insultingly bad. Hell you'd think he'd treat her and the Rebels characters better given that they're entirely his but he even managed to ruin them and made nu-Thrawn even worse. I hate that fucker so much it's unreal.

>>23327140
He did Ultraman, Godzilla, Gundam, Yamato, Cutey Honey, Kamen Rider, he made continuations of Evangelion and Gunbuster.
Yeah, Macross should be his next project. He did work on both Macross and Macross Plus after all. Kawamori knows him since the 80s, more than 40 years ago. I don't think he would mind if Anno helmed a Macross project. I hope that happens. If they also brought back Mikimoto as character designer it would be fantastic.

Other than that, I wish he did Mazinger and Harlock. It's time for both franchises to get something new.

I hope the Turn A destroys the solar system in this universe too.

>>23327918
Because Thunderbolt isn't aimed to the general public. They even added the terrible jazz ost to signal that is a product for "grown ups".
All the main Gundam tv series are designed to capture the interest of the younger demographics. And like many toymakers, Bandai executives think the appeal of a Gundam is being near invincible.

>>23327211
You mean Slasher Gundam with a retarded single mom protagonist?

>>23327528
Yes, I am goddamn tired of references in general, if half your runtime is spent on trying to make me go gaga because "thing you recognize" then maybe you shouldn't have made the show at all.

>>23327211
>08th ms team
>grounded

>>23327330
Gcucks audience hates fun, they're all about the pretension and faux intellectual superiority. Just like evateens.

It's really funny how Gundam fans pretended to be any better than Star Wars fans and probably still will after GCucks ends. For any lone soldiers fighting the battle against this repulsive slop like GCucks, I salute you.

>>23327023 (OP)
>So for it to mostly devolve into Star Wars
Star wars? How? Elaborate

>>23329429
Sounds terrible, like most of the stories that only end up being published as a manga.

>>23329794
I can't talk about media without thinking about Star Wars. Star Wars using writing concepts makes them retroactively and arbitrarily bad. Don't think.

>>23327046
People have been begging for an iron blooded orphans prequel for years and bandai still milks the one year war. It's really frustrating how so many alternate universes have a lot of promise and Bandai seems to just not care and instead continues milking UC. Similar to the 00 sequel that was announced and never talked about again.

>>23327161
The genre stands out from others because of its world building and abundance of lore.

Maybe shonen is more your speed?

>>23327514
It was alright. I really liked the zeon perspective of the Gundam being some unstoppable monster. The animation, particularly the people, kinda sucked but the ms battles were pretty cool. I thought the characters and story were pretty good too. The ending unfortunately did not stick the landing though. Also watch it subbed, the western VA's can't act for shit.

>>23329510
>terrible jazz ost
okay anon.
I understand that it's supposed to target the younger demographic, but do you know how many people love Star Wars due to the clones, or just in general love more "mook aesthetic" characters? I feel that making a Gundam near invincible if anything makes it harder to write stakes and get invested. I was more worried in Zeta for Kamille because his units were both strong but still tossed around a lot.
>>23332111
It's really baffling. I love the OYW but new stuff should be emphasized as well. As it stands we have a bunch that never got any sequels.
I understand the appeal of continuing OYW works, because most of their famous units (and gunpla) are from the original OYW shows. Even so, they should either fully commit and make remakes or side stories in the OYW, or actually work on other universes. SEED sold really well and if Destiny hadn't been mid it would probably be a very sizeable competitor to UC. As you pointed out, Iron Blooded Orphans was very popular and people wanted more, but we're only getting a movie after years.
As much as people may have had issue with WfM, at least it was new. And it was surprisingly popular!

>>23332111
Because nothing but SEED comes close to the popular behemoth that is early UC. The RX-78-2 and Char are the faces of the franchise.

>>23332232
I love UC and consider it to be superior to everything else but thats because UC has so much content that builds off of each previous entry. Of course im going to prefer that to AUs so I understand why Bandai always chooses UC. That said, most AUs only have one entry and if WFM has taught us anything is that AUs consistently bring in new people to the franchise. There is a viewerbase that is being seriously ignored and if it keeps on being ignored they will lose it. Early to mid UC is getting so bloated to the point where very little feels special anymore. What makes grandpa any more special considering that there are now dozens of other rx-78 prototypes out there. Bandai needs to focus on other parts of the franchise or else people will lose interest.

>>23327023 (OP)
I live in Japan.

Beyond the Time being played was a big deal here. It's actually not about whether the show is "good" or not. Americans are trying to wrap their head around "what went wrong?" or "what kind of story are they trying to tell?"
For the Japanese, it's not something like that at all. Gundam is so deeply baked into the Japanese consciousness that it has instead become a kind of event; it's not about having a work to show other people later, it's about a cultural and trans-temporal sharing of ideas. Like a Zeknova. Kids born in 1988 when Beyond the Time originally released are able to re-live their parents' love for Gundam. Everyone acknowledges that QGuuuuuuX is essentially about messed up kids becoming the playthings of greater powers, but that's just what Gundam has always been. It's neither about "can we destroy Gundam?" or "should we carry Gundam with us forever?" it's more like, "Ah, so the next generation understands, too."

>>23332882
That's why the GQ merchandise at the conbini I frequently go to didn't sell at all and I am pretty sure it got removed without selling out. Because people were touched by it. Meanwhile I saw a guy buying like 6+ cup ramens to get all the Witch key-chains or whatever it was.

>>23332871
>What makes grandpa any more special considering that there are now dozens of other rx-78 prototypes out there
Why would the other Gundams change how I feel about the original when they aren't even part of the same story? It's not as though they're literally robbing glory from the grandpa by reassigning achievements from Amuro to someone else.

>>23332871
I love UC as well, and I think it has amazing shows, but at this point we literally haven't even adapted Crossbone so it isn't even a UC issue as much as it is a OYW to early UC issue. But I agree, I'd love for both more AUs as well as sequels to currently made AUs. It's just that a lot of the recent ones don't quite capture the gritty war aesthetic of the original that I personally enjoy. I think a VOTOMS style AU would be sick.
>>23333069
I've noticed a lot of hype behind GQ, more than there was for Witch, at least online. Not sure how that translates to market sales but at the very least people are watching it.

>>23332882
>Beyond the Time being played was a big deal here. It's actually not about whether the show is "good" or not.

>>23329772
>threads upon threads shitting up the board complaing and crying over something the show itself stated it was gunna be early on
>"its the Gquuuuux fans that hate fun"
I hate how many redditors migrated to this board.

>Gundam's Yoshiyuki Tomino Wants Next Work to Reflect Current Wars Such as Ukraine, Israel
>https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2025-06-19/gundam-yoshiyuki-tomino-wants-next-work-to-reflect-current-wars-such-as-ukraine-israel/.225803
>With the Gundam franchise surging in popularity after the first Gundam anime's broadcast, Tomino spoke on his thoughts regarding the current state of the franchise. “When you say 'I like Gundam,' the words that come up are, of course, 'mobile suit battles are cool.' That is not the point. At all.” Tomino lamented. Speaking about those currently making Gundam the director was a little less abrasive. “My younger colleagues are making Gundam series today, and I don't feel a sense of experience with war.” He continued by saying he's not sure if he could teach wartime experiences to a younger generation who has not experienced them firsthand.
>Finally, when asked about future endeavors, Tomino said he has something he would like to make. While he did not go into much detail, Tomino did elaborate a bit: “The war in Ukraine has been going on for three years now and the conflict in Israel for 30 to 40 years. I don't think we understand these things very well. So, the theme is whether humanity can stop this social behavior.”

>>23333289
Genuinely insane how bad this site has gotten since 2016. /m/ is better than most since on boards like /v/ you legitimately cannot hold a conversation anymore, but the amount of insane takes and blatant bait I've seen is astounding. Used to be that this board was somewhat sane and isolated from most bullshit, but even here there are leeches.
It's especially funny because at the end of the day most of the shows enjoyed here are at least of passable quality, so you can spot an r/The_Donald-era tumor transplant by their inability to have an opinion beyond shitty terms like "evateen".

>>23333320
Thanks for linking the interview, anon.

>>23335521
Welcome!

>>23327023 (OP)
Fucking retard it was a 'what if?' story from the start and it was always presented as such

I was almost thinking the same thing, but now that you've said it in a thread OP, I no longer agree and am now completely behind nostalgiabait.

>>23336211
It was advertised as a what if but now it's a multiverse instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKq8OZh6x1U

>>23327023 (OP)
>Sunrise makes UC
FUCK YOU SUNRISE YOU UNORIGINAL PIECES OF SHIT STOP RUINING TOMINO'S MASTERPIECE
>Sunrise makes a new AU
IT'S SHIT, MAKE MORE UC
>Sunrise makes a different take on UC
STOP RELYING ON NOSTALGIA YOU FUCKS

>>23339550
Wow retarded anon. It's as if all those complaints are made by different fucking people.

>>23339553
Nope, all me

>>23339553
Oh yeah, sure, "different" people huh, of course, of course.

Nah, this is the best Gundam anything in awhile. The new characters are great, and I have no problem with how they've been developed thus far, nor do I think this series has been rushed. For example, one of the complaints I've seen deals with how quickly Machu and Nyaan fall for Shūji, but that's par for the course in Gundam. These are three angsty teenagers who also happen to be Newtypes. It shouldn't be shocking that once they experience that Newtype mind-melding, they are able to understand one another and feel close to one another.

The time spent on their relationship isn't meaningfully different than that of Lalah and Char, Lalah and Amuro, Kamille and Four, and so on. Also, for Shūji, while he hasn't received a lot of development, that's not necessarily a problem. He's a mystery. He's a MacGuffin. I'm not sure I would even consider him a character. He's a plot device meant to drive our characters, Machu and Nyaan, forward.

Personally, I think they've done a remarkable job with what they have included in these 12 episodes. Would I like for this to be a longer series? Sure, but not because I feel like we've been cheated out of something, but because I really, really like the story that they're telling here and would like to see more of it.

I've already rewatched several of the episodes multiple times. This is a series that rewards repeat viewings with greater clarity and understanding.

>>23339953
AI

>>23339978
It's not, but OK . . .

Gundam has been ripping off mecha shows and even other genres for plots for a few decades now

IBO is just Zoids and Broken Blade but very very gay

I've yet to see a criticism of GQuuuuuuX that isn't the result of fans whining because the series doesn't follow their personal assumptions of what they want from a Gundam series. You want a sprawling space opera focused on characters? That's not what this series is, and it isn't lesser for not being that. Oh, and throw in a good dose of misogyny--the same sort of shit we saw with The Witch from Mercury--and you can easily dismiss most of the criticism coming from these so-called fans. GQuuuuuuX is a love letter to UC. If you're a Gundam fan, you should know what they're going for here.

My personal assumption was a good mecha show, but my expectations were subverted by it being a bad mecha show

>>23342155
You talk like a drooling retard so I wouldn't take your word for what a good and a bad shows is.

>>23342149
You are trying too hard, retard.

>>23342346
He's right though.

>>23339953
There's a scene where Machu is basically ruminating on how much she doesn't understand Shuji and then two minutes later her thoughts are overrun by how horny he makes her. This is not the same thing as Lalah and Amuro or whatever the fuck and it is intentional. What are you even talking about? Kira Kira is not equivalent to what we see happen in older series. Pay attention to what Nyaan says when she experiences Kira Kira ("everything is responding however I want it to", "this is freedom"). Also afterwards when multiple characters outside Challia and she herself talks about how they weren't really Mavs and how she somehow wronged Shuji. If anything, they're projecting what they want on to Shuji and conflating their own desires and problems with Kira Kira. While we're able to infer a few things about Nyaan beforehand, it's not a coincidence we only see her cramped apartment after her experience and the topic of her dream comes up, which is referred to as nonsense by the delivery man.

Even still, the development of both Machu and Nyaan just is uninteresting in how it fails to relate to their characters in a deeper sense, is cliche ridden and remarkably predictable, e.g., Machu overhearing Shuji say he likes Nyaan as she's about to enter the hideout, no matter how much people attempt to justify something by comparing it to past Gundam.

>>23333320
>the virgin tomino crying about how we all really have to care about ukraine and the middle east vs the chad otaku saying he thinks mobile suits are super cool

>>23328061
Why not just have them fight dudes that are on a similar level? What's with this obsession people get over taking down the "protagonist"? Nigga he's not the protagonist anymore, it's the dude you want to win instead and he now has all the advantages, ie he's written to be the winner. It's whoever you want to win that wins.

And frankly most writers aren't up to the task of disguising it. We've had mellowlink and I guess aldnoah and in both cases the enemies basically just had to act stupid at multiple points. They need to walk into the obvious ambush and go "uwagh, it's an ambush, my super cool mech is getting fucked because I was dumb!"

This is proven wrong again and again.

>>23342676
Forgot pic

>>23327087
I want WfM to be forgotten and never mentioned again. That show was so fucking shit and it brought the worst fucking tourists possible

>>23343458
It seems like they were just scraping the bottom of the barrel for motivation to make him fight Char for a minute

Lalah being some dimension-creating goddess takes the cake for chuuni fanfiction written by a 14-yo.

>>23343533
anon were you not paying attention the last 4 episodes?

>>23342155
TrVke

At least this world's Lalah get a happy end.

>>23327023 (OP)
>So for it to mostly devolve into Star Wars/MCU-esque nostalgia bait is pretty disappointing.
SUNRISE needs to learn that without going onward and actually making something genuinely fresh with Gundam will simply stifle it and Gunpla sales.

They should, for all intentions and purposes, create a Gundam AU that does not the same stuff like UC or other AUs.

Instead of limiting themselves to the Sol system, have them go full Milky Way Galaxy.

Instead of having only humans and the occasional aliens in certain AUs or UC (00, Crossbone and Build Divers Re:RISE), have the whole galaxy have a whole lot of alien life (both fauna and flora) and alien civilizations (a lot willingly absorbed by humanity so that they wouldn't be bullied by other, larger civs).

Instead of taking it into ways where aliens are the bad guys (Tomino specifically made Gundam human only because aliens as the bad guys non-stop was unrealistic for him), go the Star Wars route where humans and aliens live side-by side and it's treated like normal 90% of the time.

Instead of stuff like in previous Gundam shows, this setting would be very faction and ideology focused that every faction would end up having tons of individuals among them from different races in the same faction (which also eliminates Tomino's problem with aliens being the bad guys) and identify with their prefered factions more than their own species and cultures.

A massive, galaxy spanning setting leaves a whole lot of room for not only stories or incredible locations of different types (like fighting in a ocean world filled with genuine sea monsters or actually putting the Space Whales from SEED and have them animated in full glory passing next to you), but also means that the various aliens would also produce a ton of their own MSs based off human ones. This would lead to some really interesting Gunpla kits and moddelers having a field day with combining all of this.

>>23327023 (OP)
even gundam seed freedom did it better

>>23344463
At least Freedom was coasting on the SEED brand popularity. This show relies on UC for most of its run, while being an 'AU take', like a parasite.

>>23327087
Remember it took like 6 years for both it and quacks, even if they started work on a sequel the moment the original show ended it wouldn’t be ready until like 2027 or 2028 at the earliest

>>23333110
Witch seems to have had better sales overall (note that we didn’t get a record for sale set by the kit like the Aerial and Barbatos did) but that’s a very high bar; quacks could make less money and still be a big financial hit

>>23329456
for me it's Ideon

>>23343488
i can't stomach seeing this piece of shit anymore. He was good until Evangelion, after which his brain just gave up. He should have always been a poor, deluded animation student obsessed with Ultraman and Ideon. He could only go downwards from that

>>23343537
there was a way to make it work, like making it Camille's dream to avoid becoming a pilot and having that bad collapse. A newtype's dream kind of thing, exploring what could happen. Or Lalah actually surviving in a coma somewhere while dreaming of alternate events. Could have had a somber, dramatic ending about hopes for the future and unintended consequences. But they preferred to shit their parents. Media is shit because people making it are shit, as i always say.

>>23343936
>They should, for all intentions and purposes, create a Gundam AU that does not the same stuff like UC or other AUs.
If the new AU Gundam is completely different from anything else, why would these new AU Gundam fans go back to older shows and Gunpla from their series?

That's why all AUs still need to keep some kind of grounding on the general aesthetic and premise of UC Gundam.

>>23343936
No, it's much much simpler.
Gundam was originally war drama with very colorful characters. It's the same reason shit like star wars was popular, and a lot of hollywood classics.

It's true that a lot of people like Gundam for different reason, but that's what spin offs are for. You can't have mainline gundam being something weird just to sell gunplas. In fact i think today's gunpla people are just addicts to an autistic hobby. A lot of the designs are shit. To find the good stuff you need to look at the eternal rehashes of the original series, or indie kits.

They KNOW it. They need to reference famous war movies. Branching out ideas come from Astrays and crossbone, that's what people are into. Space opera, war drama and gritty mechanics. The animu dragon ball battles can only come on top of a sensible and deep plot from history-lovers and sci fi nerds. Anything less and it's garbage writing for gundam, endlessly watering down what made it and keeps it good.

So Tomino is 100% correct to laser into modern conflicts. Some recent front Mission just missed getting really popular because it went too far instead of making a heroic story on a realistic background, which is the secret to what made it such a popular series. It actually made cool robot toys REALISTIC too

>>23329704
The other day I went to a gcg demo and saw some dude wanking to 08th ms team. We live in dark times.

>>23349796
>why would these new AU Gundam fans go back to older shows and Gunpla from their series?
Multiple factors.
But what I wanted to say about not doing the same stuff is only that Gundam should stop doing two things.
1. The whole Earth vs Space stuff because it's getting stale. Could do instead faction vs faction or nations vs nations who have both planetary and space assets.
2. Limiting every single damn show to the Sol System instead of expanding it to galaxy-levels with having a story that can happen in distant star systems with different rules that govern them.

>>23349874
You can have a engaging war drama with colorful characters, as well as a sci-fi setting that can be on a much grander scale than other Gundam shows.

And you can still have it be grounded, gritty and even brutal on the level of early U.C. shows and certain A.U.s like Wing or X, while introducing Mobile Suits made by the various alien species and still have them grounded (but alien looking).

It all comes to the execution and how well written it is...but find me someone who could attempt to even pull this off.
I just want a war drama with visible individuals having their beliefs put to the test while also have them explore and battle on different planets with various, even dangerous biomes (including one that has genuine sea monsters or a hostile jungle planet that would be as bad as 40K's Catachan) which would add to the stakes.

>>23327023 (OP)
op translation, see pic

>>23343537
> a 14-yo.

No it's chuni made by old guys who are 50 to 70 years old. Which I think is probably worse. They should have let a woman write this fanfiction not guys.

>>23327023 (OP)
It's not relying too much on nostalgia.

The problem with this show is that there's 15 different storylines all badly mixed together. And not enough episodes to even attempt to tell a good story.

Maybe if they had 50 episodes this could have been good but 12 episodes is too little.

>>23350465
>The whole Earth vs Space stuff because it's getting stale. Could do instead faction vs faction or nations vs nations who have both planetary and space assets.
Get rid of the Federation or anything equivalent to it.

>2. Limiting every single damn show to the Sol System instead of expanding it to galaxy-levels with having a story that can happen in distant star systems with different rules that govern them.
I think this is a virtue of the Gundam franchise, not a weakness. You see, space is really, really fucking big. Making it "galaxy-level" means FTL of some sort.
What you actually mean is that the stories are more or less limited to the Earth Sphere (IBO has some action around Mars and Venus, but that's the exception: even The Witch from MERCURY never had an episode on the planet itself), when they should encompass the entire solar system. You start to get some crazy habitat designs the further you get away from the sun

>while introducing Mobile Suits made by the various alien species and still have them grounded (but alien looking)
Bad idea. Awful, awful idea.
If you are going to introduce extraterrestrials to your story, they need to look actually alien, not give them "orthodox units" (in Gundam, that means humanoid mecha that are 18 meters tall) that look similar to humans's.

>>23350773
>Get rid of the Federation or anything equivalent to it.
Agreed here.

>I think this is a virtue of the Gundam franchise, not a weakness. You see, space is really, really fucking big. Making it "galaxy-level" means FTL of some sort.
What you actually mean is that the stories are more or less limited to the Earth Sphere (IBO has some action around Mars and Venus, but that's the exception: even The Witch from MERCURY never had an episode on the planet itself), when they should encompass the entire solar system. You start to get some crazy habitat designs the further you get away from the sun.
That's also a good idea.

>Bad idea. Awful, awful idea. If you are going to introduce extraterrestrials to your story, they need to look actually alien, not give them "orthodox units" (in Gundam, that means humanoid mecha that are 18 meters tall) that look similar to humans's.
So you would be against spider-style MSs and MSs that look like they build them around a velociraptor? With either a sleek look or techno-organic one?

>>23351212
>So you would be against spider-style MSs and MSs that look like they build them around a velociraptor?
No, no mobile suits for the aliens, period.

The humans use MS, not the extraterrestrials. Think of literally anything else that humanity might be facing against: Space Monsters, BETA, anything that isn't a "recognizable" mecha.

>>23351986
You can have all of these.
You can have more humanoid Star Wars/Star Trek style aliens, aliens like in Infinite Space or Stellaris has (in case of IS, there are aliens that are living geometry objects and psychic nebula hive-mind clouds), and what you listed. NotSpace Monsters from Gunbuster, not!BETA from MuvLuv...though I thought more of something that would be worse than any of these (like if The Thing, The Bydo, The Flood and The Virus all had a 4-way orgy and what happened was them conceiving something that would be in a 80's/90's horror gore action OVA).

But tell you this. The reason Gundam had no aliens (any aliens of any type) was because Tomino didn't want to do what super robot shows did where most of the time it was aliens as the bad guys. For him it was unrealistic hence why Gundam is humans vs humans.
But what if you added aliens, but not made them the bad guys. Made them part of the setting but had them be of use by every faction. And this is why it would be good to go the SW route.

In my setting, while there are alien civilizations, humanity grew very rapidly and took a good chunk of the galaxy while others bickered hard not seeing a new rising force. That and humans actually taking in many of the slave races/vassals of said larger alien civs (even absorbing one of the smaller empires).
In that human civ, aliens assimilated into society and carved niches for themselves.
This eliminates Tomino's problem. Aliens being of many alignments and varied ideologically as humans are. Which would lead to many various situations. All it needs is good worldbuilding and alien characters that would show it.

>>23327023 (OP)
Retard

>>23352077

My AU Gundam idea simply had the aliens (seemingly) extinct in its backstory in that all that was discovered out of them was their technology, allowing mankind to colonize beyond the Solar System. Then, have it involve the fact some characters ARE descended from the supposedly dead alien race because they procreated with humans.

>>23352090
>My AU Gundam idea simply had the aliens (seemingly) extinct in its backstory in that all that was discovered out of them was their technology
>some characters ARE descended from the supposedly dead alien race
Congratulations, you literally made Aldnoah/Zero.

>>23351986
>>23352077
BTW...that mix between Bydo, Flood, Thing and the Virus I thought of? These would be connected to humanity's dark history and would represent immense hate of the event called The Sol Wars that were fought over due to hate and greed between the varying human factions and nations.

All of it would crash and burn hard with the one faction, called the Death's Head Legion, literally brutalizing all the other factions (and playing on people's emotions of being fucking tired and having enough of killing each other) they forced peace on the Sol System, executed the warmongers and put in forward-thinking people who caused peace, prosperity and a new age of exploration once the FTL drives were perfected allowing humans to venture beyond their system. This would cause humanity to grow, expand, progress and change for 1000K years up to the beginning of the story.

However humanity's dark history wouldn't go away. The hate and greed would come back in twisted forms.

The above monsters? Would represent hate and would be called The Defilers and be in fact humans that escaped the Sol Wars in experimental FTL ships, and after two centuries thinking humanity forgot about them, most of them turned into essentially all assimilating monsters that hate life and hijack tech.

The greed would represent another human civ that also escaped the Sol Wars in experimental FTL ships, but ended up growing into something that would be described as Anaheim, and both the Zanscare and Jupiter Empires made their own galciv with a lot of exploitation, elements of Tzarist Russia, Imperial Prussia and Austro-Hungary thrown into the mix. With loads of both expendable troops and genetically-engineered slaves. It would be called the Zovtarynian Empire, and they would represent human greed with little or no inhibitions.
TBC.

>>23352090
You could change the part with the tech to be only some FTL tech instead of all the tech.

>>23352121

>You could change the part with the tech to be only some FTL tech instead of all the tech

Other than FTL, it would also lead to how fusion power, beam weaponry, and mobile suits are possible.

>>23352126
>>23352094

>you literally made Aldnoah/Zero

Aldnoah/Zero only had Mars be colonized. I was thinking BattleTech where mankind colonized systems outside the Solar System by managing to develop FTL travel by reverse-engineering alien technology and that mobile suits were also reverse-engineered from alien technology. The point of that backstoey is to show that mankind will continue to fight each other even after being shown they are not alone in the stars.

>>23342149
i loved gquuux. However, you could not pay me to watch WfM, it looked gay
>t. Misogynist

I agree with you that a lot of autists here are tempertantruming because of their incorrect presumptions about what the show SHOULD be not lining up with what the show IS.
i just wanted to interject that men being fatigued with and not understanding female characters isn't misogyny and that you're using that word far too sparingly. Like the other anons said, you're right, but that vague accusation puts you into "trying too hard" territory.

I think the girls in this show mistaking new type empathy for love and throwing their directionless lives at it is beautiful in a way. I'm glad things worked out for them, well-enough.


Oh and in my opinion, the people that hate Gquuuuuux are clearly people that barely have a grasp of UC and Gundam and are butthurt that they aren't being catered to. "It's all boomer nostalgia this series is ruined by nostalgia"
Yea yea, you're a kid who loves IBO or WfM and you don't have the patience or interest to watch the original series and now you're butthurt because you feel left out with this series. Even compilation movie watchers are gonna struggle to keep up. It is telling to me that Japan seems to like this new series more than the west, and that's because they fundamentally UNDERSTAND U.C. inherently because of cultural osmosis.

I assumed /m/ would enjoy this more since I thought everyone was here were UClorebeards
Unfortunately the loudest posters seem to be dipshit tourists.

>>23352196
>I assumed /m/ would enjoy this more since I thought everyone was here were UClorebeards

/m/ generally hates Newtypes and Newtype focus aside from Tomino fans regarding his own shows (but nothing else), so when it was clear that was the focus here, /m/ hate coming was obvious.

>>23351986
>>23352077
>>23352121
So yeah. The humanity that would grow into a galciv would be called the UTF (United Terran Federation). It would be a vast and powerful entity and exist for 1K years. It would emerge from the remnants of the human factions uniting under the watchful eye of the Death's Head Legion. With the Legion promoting tech-advances and modernizing everything, the UTF would claim system after system. Unlike in other Gundam shows, the UTF would be a unified entity for 1K years despite all the internal and external conflicts.

With the UTF's growth, humanity did encounter aliens for the first time when a Legion strike force accidentally liberated one of them, called the Tizcallans, from their alien overlords that used them as cheap labor. The humanoid lizardmen (they used to be normal lizardmen until their overlords gen-modded them to look more human-like because sensibilities...the Legion would help them at least partially restore their heritage, still only 1 in 10000 Tizcalls would become a Pureblood).

The Tizcalls already asked if they could join the UTF and after year they finally did join. Same with the Artharans (bug people that are mixes of various arthropods and variet body-types for specific purposes), the Gahans (balloon jellyfish like the Hanar from Mass Effect, but their homeworld is a bizarre gas/aquatic world where they can fly through the sky or swim in the waters), the Geods (Silicoids from MoO, but more specifically the remake) and many more.

This ended up with the UTF becoming not only a diverse place, but with these races, who while coming with their own issues, did allow it to grow fast. It did result in the older empires to grow vary of humanity as a rising power.
TBC.

>>23352126
Make it so that this tech would massively accelerate development of those.
>>23352132
In my case BattleTech was also one of the inspirations for my setting. Especially faction-wise and when it came to the not!Clans.

>>23350702
>15 different storylines
1. Machu doing clan battles
2. Zeon wins and the implications AU
3. Lalah is goddess dreaming up universes
4. Shuuji being Lalah's simp for reasons
What else?

>>23327023 (OP)
Not reading any of the thread but it's been relying on nostalgia since 1989.

>>23327023 (OP)
There are far too many Gundam threads on this blasted board, but I’m here exactly because I have zero nostalgia attached, having watched precisely zero episodes of UC until now. I’m planning to watch a few episodes up to the end of the first arc, as from what I’ve read, the alternate-history aspect is what makes it so compelling.

Anyway, Char is an absolute legend, and the subplot with his sister came completely out of nowhere, the biggest coincidence imaginable. Or perhaps he’s right, maybe he really is just that lucky.

The fact that the main character can do so much with the Gundam despite having no experience is a bit far-fetched, but I do appreciate the whole “this is war” approach, but is not as heavy as 00. As I’m writing this, Char just completely wrecked the MC. He’s bloody lucky to have a Gundam.

What’s the general opinion on GQ?

>>23327023 (OP)
>gundam is relying too much on nostalgia
is this a problem? sure. will it be a problem in the future? probably. was nostalgia bate alone responsible for the failure of gqux? absolutely not the problems ran much much deeper. maybe once we get saturated with decent projects that invoke too much nostalgia we can complain about it but there's bigger fish to fry anon