Could RX 78-2 still hold up in Gryps War when piloting by ace/Newtype pilot?

>>23333268 (OP)
Considering it was already falling behind by the time the One Year War was ending, not likely.

It might do okay for a bit at the start, but it'd be overwhelmed pretty fast.

Prolly. Newtypes are canonically interdimensional time-travellers now and Shirow took out a late-war Zaku advanced prototype with a Ball and he was just a normie.

>>23333268 (OP)
By the end, Gundarium Alloy was its one advantage. Amuro was moving so well that its joints couldn't keep up and needed fixing up. Amuro had outgrown it.

>>23333296
>Gundarium Alloy was its one advantage
I thought the widespread usage of beam weapons countered that anyway?

>>23333305
It's the only feature left that other MS haven't already caught up on, aside from other Gundams. Zeon already developed MS with beam weapons and magnetic coating, so the luna-titanium was the only thing that still made it state of the art.

>>23333310
Right, I get where you're coming from now.

>>23333268 (OP)
The MkII got fucked up, so no.

>>23333268 (OP)
The Mk II was almost outdated in the first episode so no. The RX78 was a relic. It probably would have been able to kill some Hizacks but even a fully repaired and refurbished RX78 would eventually be taken out by some grunt eventually.

>>23333268 (OP)
Depends on the newtype/ace
Depends on if it's magnetic coated Gundam too. The Gundam is faster than most people think.

>>23333268 (OP)
It's not really any better than a GM II but a significantly harder job to maintain and supply so no.

>>23333342
The mk II ran until the end of ZZ, it was outdated against most of the Titans, arsenal, but against the Neo Zeon it was on par with like everything except like doven wolf, mp quebeley, and other limited suits

>>23333268 (OP)
In terms of basic specs the GM II, Hizack and Galbaldy-B were all described as either comparable or superior to the Gelgoog- which in turn could outperform the stock RX-78 at least on paper. In the hands of a capable pilot it could potentially 1v1 any of these machines but in groups it would quickly become overwhelmed. Technology marches on.

>>23333342
It held up very well considering Emma wasn't a top-tier pilot. People really underestimate the Mk-II for some reason. It lacked firepower mainly, but it had no trouble keeping up in maneuverability. They could have just given it a better gun, which they do with the Super Gundam. Also, the NT-1 could apparently perform as well as a third generation MS in the hands of a newtype like Amuro, so the Mk-II certainly could.

>>23333268 (OP)
By the end of the OYW there were already mobile suits that were on the verge of surpassing it, even the gm sniper II was better on paper spec wise. It probably could take down a hizack in a 1v1 fight but at this point it would be brought down in greater numbers of machines close to it. G3 Gundam would be a little better but at this point there would still be already better mobile suits.

>>23333342
>>23333407
Wasnt MKII a trainung unit for the titans?
I get that it wasnt as good as the other suits it faired against but it wasnt exactly designed as this state of teh art weapon in the first place

>>23333286
The ball is just that strong

>>23333286
It was a HiMo Test Type not a super advanced unit. Basically a Zaku with some extra vernier and a more powerful ouput for them but still a Zaku. Also Shirou snuck up on Aina he didn't flat out engage her and pulled off a risky maneuver with the winch to close in and tie up the Zaku.
>>23334014
If we go by Igloo, yeah. Also IIRC didn't Bianca from thunderbolt say she survived Star One in a ball?

>>23333995
The Titans were training with it but it wasn't exactly a 'train newbies on this machine' type of unit. It was a testbed for the movable frame and Jerid's team was fucking around with it.

>>23333268 (OP)
It would be a creaker but beams are beams so it could probably take down a few grunts with Amuro's newtype hax

>>23334036
From what I can find, the first time she's shown she is already in a GM, but supposedly piloted a ball before that.

>>23334014
>>23334036
There was also that guy from Crossbone who survived Solomon in a Ball with a Gundam faceplate.

>>23334036
I always thought the Hi Mobility Test Type was for testing the Rick Dom Leg Units. The Legs look like Dom Legs.

>>23335228
Yes, that's part of the databook explanation. It's also one of the reasons why Zaku high mobility series died out, they competed with the Rick Dom for consideration as Zeon's next space-use grunt to replace the standard Zaku F type, and the Rick Dom was picked as the winner.

>ザクⅡの上半身に高機動用の脚部ユニットを取り付けたような形状となっているのが特徴で、その脚部の特異な形状や黒と紫を基調としたカラーリングから、地上用のMS-09の脚部ホバーを宇宙用の熱核ロケット・エンジンに換装して運用する試験が目的だったとする説もある。
>Its distinctive shape resembles a Zaku II with a high-mobility leg unit attached to the upper body, and given the unique shape of the legs and its primarily black and purple coloring, one theory is that its purpose was to test replacing the leg hovers of the MS-09 for ground use with thermonuclear rocket engines for space use.

>>23334014
>>23334036
Zeek cope.

If the Ball was that effective against even just the basic Zaku II, the Feds wouldn't have an issue pushing the weeks back in line much less redirecting resources for Operation V.

>>23335209
I think she mentioned it when she was getting her tattoos and it was a Ball.

>>23335255
Yeah the Rick Dom was just was Zeon Needed at the time, right before Being Repelled from Earth. The Dom Platform had already proven to be effective on Earth. However the plan was always the Gelgoog, Zeon High Command had a hard on for the gelgoog. It's a shame that it was already too late in the war for it to truly matter

>>23333435
Imagine the wind gusts from the gundam moving around at that speed.

In terms of specs, the GM II is superior to the RX-78-2 in all regards other than armor.

The GM II is a joke in the Gryps conflict. The Rick Dias is better than it. The Hyaku Shiki is better than the Rick Dias. By the end of the series, the Hyaku Shiki can't keep up with the Qubeley or The O. The RX-78-2 would get shot down, at the latest, by the Hambrabi.

>>23336726
it shouldn't always be a question of just apples-to-apples spec comparison. remember, amuro is enough of a piloting monster that certain GMs weren't considered equal or better than the RX-78 unless they were the late war specialist models with specs like like 10~20% higher, and amuro was certainly moving better than the average GM pilot even though the standard GM has nearly identical thrust and weight figures, and that's before magnetic coating. and in terms of specs, amuro was able to take down mobile armors that had way more firepower and reactor output and etc.

that said on the flip side, in gryps war now almost everybody is packing beams and where OYW amuro had a definite advantage against every zaku and rick dom he came across, the gundam is on the lower end of the scale rather than the higher end, and the scale spreads pretty wide with units like the asshimar and gaplant being available quite early in the gryps war. I think amuro can survive, but he'll have to work hard for every kill. he might still be able to style on the occasional hizack or GM but defeating TMA/TMS is gonna require some effort not unlike taking down zeon mobile armors except they're even more dangerous in a smaller package

>>23333268 (OP)
Depends on the pilot.

>>23333268 (OP)
It would probably perform better than mooks but I doubt that would be able to do much of anything against newer, stronger MS

>>23333268 (OP)

Best visual example is Kira piloting the Strike Rouge in Seed Destiny. By the time of Seed Destiny needless to say he is a well seasoned pilot who has mastery over his natural abilities. He manages to tag a couple of current era MSs but the other 3 dodged him. Then soon afterwards the Strike Rouge gets completely blown apart piece by piece.

I dunno why Cagali kept that hunk of junk in the GSF movie other than as a remote control apparatus.

You people are retarded.

>>23333285
Modern tanks used by first-world countries were produced in the 1980's. Does that make them useless and outdated? They get overwhelmed by terrorists with iphones?
It depends entirely on context. What is the RX-78-2 fighting against?

>>23334325
Is your car a "creaker" since it's from early 2000's? You people have absolutely no concept of durability or materials. Gundam doesn't suddenly become made of wood after six years.

The reason Gundam gets so badly wrecked at the end is because it's constantly on the front line, constantly pushed to its limit by its pilot and fighting against some of the most extreme opponents like Big Zam and Zeong. If it had to fighting Gelgoogs only, it'd have come out of the war in pretty workable condition.

>>23333721
There are very very few group vs one battles in Gryps, and also you could say the same for literally any suit that wasn't a super high-end prototype at that time.

>>23336726
>By the end of the series, the Hyaku Shiki can't keep up with the Qubeley or The O
Motherfucker, those are TWO (2) MS
Een the MP Qubeley number exist in EXTREMELY limited numbers. Of course the RX-78-2 couldn't 1v1 THE O, it's a super hyper prototype there is only one of, no shit. Not to mention the MS you mentioned all have THE premier pilots of the entire century, your point of comparison is like saying a Bren LMG couldn't beat the Schwerer Gustav - like, DUH.
But in terms of general conflict? Yeah, it could totally hold up. Most pilots in Gryps were shitty retards who stood around and got blown up by stray beams.

>>23338802
This is purely for narrative and drama, it has very little to do with objective machine performance.

>>23333726
Exactly. The Mk. II slander has to stop immediately. Kamille put a lot of notches under its belt but an above-average at best pilot like Emma managed to bring a fight to a tie against one of Scirocco’s personal machines, and then an absolute shitter of a pilot from a nowheresville junkyard kept that thing in the fight against fourth generation mobile suits to the very end of the second Neo Zeon War. It’s the ultimate no-gimmick mobile suit, just 55 tons of propulsion and a fuck you beam rifle.

>>23333268 (OP)
The MkII is a better RX-78 and it became fodder very early in the Gryps war.

>>23333726
>>23340227
If you want an example of Mkii carrying, Elle survived alot using just MKii, and she had no experience what so ever.

>>23333286
Unicorn and Gqux are to be ignored in any discussion involving Newtypes.

>>23338813
A more apt comparison would be a WW1 tank being rolled out in WW2, the RX-78 is one of the earliest federation designs for what was a brand new mode of warfare, and just like in the world wars there was a period of rapid technological development. The gundam got a few refits throughout it's service life to keep up with the times but it mostly survived due to its initial status as an infinite budget proof of concept and Amuro piloting reaching the levels of literal magic.

>>23340409
Isn’t she a Newtype?

>>23338802
God, that burst fire is pure sex

>>23333268 (OP)
If piloted by Amuro, maybe sorta probably not. The RX78 was falling behind already by the end of the OYW, and the Gelgoog, while not actually, has been described as being as good as the RX78. If you recall, when Reccoa was "caught" in a Gelgoog, the titans thought she was just an enthusiast and was harmless, and this was at the time when they were just barely rolling out the Marasai iirc. Considering that the Gundam MkII was already falling behind by the halfway point of Zeta, I highly doubt the RX78 would have done that good. It would have likely of received some upgrades like the GMII, but still be lacking in performance. Thems the bricks

>>23340227
As a point of reference, it was a big deal when the Barzam was introduced as it was able to match the performance of the Gundam MkII as a massive produced machine. The Barzam would see use by the federation into the F91 era, granted with some upgrades along the way, but even in CCA era the Barzam was seeing unmodified use by the federation. Gundam MkII performance is perfectly fine when a decent pilot is behind the controls. Just because the titans put out some experimental suits at the end of the war or other factions did limited runs of superior machines doesn't invalidate the Gundam MkII's level of performance

>>23340462
Emma's a newtype also.

Yeah
As long as its Beam Rifle can still penetrate. Just dont get hit and you'll still be good. It might not be at the front line but it can still lay down supportive fire and guard the back line as an auxiliary

>>23340615
It's about on par with the GMII, which I'm pretty sure is the most fielded MS in the conflict. Since it won't have as much parts commonality with GMIIs or Hizacks, it would be a liability. Stuff like the AEUG using old GM Customs probably only made sense because they would use whatever they could get + they had a lot of parts commonality

>>23340634
I mean if you can juryrig a zaku head onto the zeta and have it work surely you can figure something out with gm parts.

>>23340634
LIability but ever gun matters. Its more of a liability being mothballed than putting it through its paces until it breaks.

Then you scrap it

>>23340242
>50th post repeating the same speedwatcher myth

>>23333268 (OP)
RX-78-2 has worse stats than GM II